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all right, show time i was going to say, it's going to be a hip-hop morning here. >> get it started. >> let's get it started. welcome, everybody. as i mentioned we're coming to you from the diner. every morning we tell you what we're eating. so i'm going to tell you what we're eating, i got to read this one. specialty of the house. this is called the kroek and dagger, two eggs over easy with bacon or ham, sandwiched between french loaf smothered in sauce, cheese, served with home fries or grits. coming in at 27 -- can i hold it up for you? 27,000 calories right here. and i'm going to put that in front of our guest panelist today who is joining us is congressman aaron shock. he's the republican from the state of illinois who i saw your picture on the front of "men's health." >> i'm not eating a whole lot of those. >> that's not how you get abs like the congressman has. i should mention he is joining our panel and women have all been on twitter to have you here today. appreciate you being here. john is joining us as well as a guest panelist. and roland martin is with us as well. he looks a little tired. >> i actually just didn't even go to sleep. >> did you really not? >> anderson cooper to right here. >> we appreciate that. we know you have to run out at 7:15 because you do your hit with tom joyner and the "tom joyner morning show." don't take offense. >> i'm not mad at what you have to say. >> we have a lot to get to today. a guest list is steny hoyer, house democrat whip is going to join us in a moment and the texas representative jeb he hensarling, republican in congress. we're going to talk about the reaction from the state of the union address. house majority leader eric cantor will join was as well. and arizona senator and former presidential candidate john mccain will join us as well. we'll talk to him not only about the state of the union but what things look like as this entire gop race heads to the state of florida. let's get going. let's begin, in fact, with the president's state of the kr the. the speech was about reviving the american dream. he talked on a lot of themes of how he saw the nation could do that. here's what he said. >> right now our most immediate priority is stopping a tax hike on 160 million working americans. no bailouts, no handouts, and no co cop-outs. teachers matter. so instead of bashing them, we're defending the status quo. let's offer schools a day. i believe as strongly as ever that we should take on illegal immigration. i will go anywhere in the world to open new markets for american products. what's the stake on democratic values or republican values? but american values. >> democratic congressman steny hoyer of maryland joins us now live from capitol hill. nice to see you, sir. thank you forgetting up early with us. first and foremost, what did you think -- >> i would like to share your breakfast, soledad. >> i don't know, sir. this is not healthy. but you're welcome to join us for whatever you would like any time. what did you think of the speech? >> i thought it was an excellent speech. i thought it was a serious speech. we have a lot of challenges. the president obviously focused on what i think is critical to the american people, that's jobs, first of all, of course, said, and you quoted, that 160 million. we need to pass that payroll tax cut so we can keep our economy moving. but we've had an agenda we call it make it in america in the congress of the united states for the last two years. we've talked to the president about it. his manufacturing focus we think was absolutely right. we've lost 9 million manufacturing johbs over the lat 20 years. we need to expand our manufacturing sector. we need to make things here in america. we need to provide the kind of middle class jobs paying good wages and having good benefits that the american middle class needs to grow, not shrink. he also focused on obviously the successes we've had over the last four years. we are, in fact, better off than we were in january of 2009 today by the difference in a million jobs, lost 786,000 jobs in january. picked up 200,000 jobs this last month. that's a million shift. that's positive direction. but his point was, there is much yet to be done. not only in terms of growing jobs, making it in america, but also in getting our deficit down. those are the two major challenges. >> those are the highlights. that's some of the highlights. >> yeah. >> and i'll stop you there because i don't want to go through the entire speech. >> i hear ya. >> but, of course, the gop argument, sir, as you well know, is that here's what's also happened since president obama has taken office. 1.9 million fewer jobs. gas prices are close to have doubled at a record 46 million people are on food stamps. this is what the gop will be arguing as all of this moves toward the general election come november. what's your reaction to that? >> well, there's no doubt there was a deep hole, and as the president correctly pointed out, until his program was fully in effect, we continue to hemorrhage jobs. the month he took office otherwise known as the last month of the bush administration, we lost 750,000 plus jobs in one month. last month we gained 200,000 net jobs, 212,000 private sector, lost 12,000. unfortunate in the private sector. there is no doubt that the economy is reviving. the stock market reflects that. jobs reflect that. are we where we need to be? no. that's what the president said. we need to do more. we need to grow the manufacturing sector. we ought -- tax policy that encourages growth of jobs here in america. making things here in america. on the foreign policy front he was absolutely correct. we have our people out of iraq. we're drawing down in afghanistan. we have a savings that we can apply to infrastructure as his suggestion or other needs of the american people. but clearly i think it's -- i was surprised when the republican -- >> i'm smiling here because -- i want to stop you because -- and, you know, with all due respect to you, every political figure we will have on this show today, when you guys have the opportunity, you tend to go on and on on the side of the issues that you're interested in. and i greatly appreciate that. but i do want to get some questions in so let me stop you. >> sure. >> which is also a theme last night. the president said basically we need to end the notion that we're going to be locked in this perpetual battle and eric cantor tweeted a similar thing. so i threw up on the screen a minute ago approval rate for congress at something like 11%, which is really a disastrous figure. no other way to read it. what literally specifically, sir, happens now to bring that bipartisanship together? how does it happen? >> frankly, i think those people who have disappointment with the congress are absolutely right. the congress is not working. there's no doubt about that. we have seen the partisanship and senator mcconnell said his principle objective was to defeat barack obama. in order to defeat barack obama, he has to oppose policies that will make america better. that, i think, is not helpful. hasn't been helpful. continues not to be helpful. we've seen the same thing in the house. i have worked across the aisle to bring people -- >> what does work? give me one solution. >> sitting down with one another and talking with one another. we had a big thing about who are you going to sit with last night. i responded to a question about who are you going to sit -- i said, it's not so important as who we sit with, it's who we work with. the president said we need to work together. at the tend i thought he was power phil when he said, look, our men and women in the armed forces when we give them a mission, he doesn't care with it's republican or democrat or conservative or liberal or black or white, they work together to accomplish a mission. that's what the president urged us to do to show the patriotism to work to the not for political ends or political objectives but for policy objectives to make america better. i thought that was a powerful ending to his speech, asking for bipartisanship. hopefully we'll adhere to that. >> and kind of how he started the speech as well. steny hoyer was this morning. again, come and join us for breakfast any time you like. we appreciate it. >> okay. thanks a lot. >> let's get right to our panel. >> you get. you bet. my pleasure. boy, you politicians can talk and talked and talk and talk when asked a question. i get it. it's all spin. what did you think of the speech last night? >> you know, i guess thought if the president gives a good speech, it wasn't one of his best speeches but it was a good speech and he delivered it well. you know, i think at the end of the day what the country really wants is results. i think it's why you see both the president and congress' approval ratings at all time lows. >> how old are you? >> 30 years old. >> that's not so, so -- >> i haven't been here all that long. but, you know, i came here to -- >> i'm not taking any of the blame. >> 11% is not my number. >> i'm here to help solve the problems. >> truly, when you see a number like 11%, i'm curious do you say, oh, my god, this is a big, big problem? >> i go home every weekend and i know why they're frustrated. it's because they see the house and the senate not working well together. they see the congress and the president not working well together. i guess from my sense in the house the frustration is i feel we have advanced bipartisan legislation that should move. we passed a budget. the senate has not for over three years. the president in his three years as president has not been able to pass a budget. i don't care what party you're from. that's a failure of leadership for the president not to be able to advance a budget. even when his own party controlled the house and the senate. >> where are the areas that you see, and maybe john can jump in on this. where do you see a possibility of true bipartisanship. >> the president called for payroll tax deduction. the house did that earlier -- last year, as you done. >> that's a check, done. >> also no reason why we can't do that. >> what do you think, john? what else? >> i think that's an important area that has to be done but expires again at the end of february and nodes to be done and president challenged the house in december and got that two-month extension. but i think the one place in that speech where i thought that there was room for real compromise, that long section he did on clean energy and making america now the power house in clean energy around the goal, putting people to work doing that. i think that that's a place where maybe that, you know, you could find some bipartisan agreement. >> interesting, roland, you and i have been on the air together for a long time now because we are both nowhere near the ang of congressman and every year we have done the reprove value for congress and every year it's like, it's the worst ever. the next year, it's the worst ever. where do you see turning around that number of is it just not going to happen? >> i think we are such a divided country you're going to sew that continue. also, the voters out there are always complaining saying i wish you would get something done. i have to remind people, you're the very folks who send them here. it's hard for voters to sit here and play this little game of saying, oh, they're not working together, when in republican primaries, when in democratic primaries, you go to the far left or far right. so what you end up with is two parties with people at the extreme. that's the problem. you don't have enough moderates on both sides. >> we're going to continue our conversation with our panelists this morning. but there are other stories to get to. christine romans has those for us. good morning. >> good morning. start with breaking news of a daring overnight rescue in somalia. u.s. navy s.e.a.ls conducting a helicopter raid to free an american woman and danish man held hostage by suspected pirates over the last three months. are said to be in good condition and safe undisclosed location. president obama releasing a statement a short tape ago. jessica buchanan was selflessly serving her fellow human beings when she was taken hostage by criminals and pirates who showed no regard for her health and well being. last night i spoke with jessica buchanan's father and told him that all americans have jessica in our thoughts and prayers, and give thanks a she will soon be reunite with her family. now, i guess we know why the president said good job to defense secretary leon panetta as he walked into the state of the union. >> good job tonight. good job tonight. >> all right. thousands of egyptians gathers in tahrir square to mark the one-year anniversary of the start of the people's uprising. there is concerns about new clashes between the military and protesters today who are frustrated by the slow pace of change. looking at live pictures. they are frustrate bid the slow pace of change since hosni mubarak was forced out. the owner of the wrecked costa concordia cruise liner denies offering discounts on future cruises to passengers who are on board the concordia when it ran aground. the statement is in response to news reports that the cruise line was offering 30% off on future travel to some survivors. a massive solar flare triggering the strongest solar storm in years. waves of energy and radiation bombarding earth which can disrupt satellite transmissions and power grids. causing minor disruptions for u.s. airlines. delta altered routes for a handful of flights between detroit and asia. actress demi moore rushed to the hospital. tmz reporting a 911 call placed from her home monday night. they assessed her and took her to the hospital. her rep issued a statement to tmz, quote, because of the stress necessary her life right now, demi has chosen to seek professional assistance to treat her exhaustion and improve her overall health. she looks forward to getting well and is grateful for the support of her family and friends. minding your business now, u.s. markets closed mixed yesterday. this morning futures on the dow and s&p 500 are down a little bit. s&p are the tech heavy. nasdaq are up. and it's all about tech today. apple shares are up 7 1/2% in premarket trading this morning. apple had another record blockbuster quarter. that the rate at the opening bell, apple will surpass exxonmobil as most valuable public company in the world. this is what the quarter was like. unbelievable. the company sold more than 411,000 iphones every day last quarter. they sold more than $171,000 ipads every day. soledad, these are things that didn't even exist a few years ago. apple's revenue, sales up 73%. >> the moral of that story. >> there is no recession in apple. >> innovation, innovation. that's right, no recession, innovation, innovation, innovation. we're going to continue to talk today about how you put that innovation to help bring the middle class up. conversation from the state of the union address yesterday. thanks, christine. appreciate that update. still ahead on "starting point," more reaction on the state out union, jeb hensarling will join us. secret kennedy tapes have been released. insight in the last three months of his presidency. we'll take a look at what those tapes tell us with a historian. and four police officers have been arrested, charged with profiling, terrorizing clergy and latinos. but it is mayor's stunning reaction that has us saying get real this morning. you're watching "starting point." 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[ male announcer ] apply online or at a bank of america near you. we're talking 3% back on gas. ♪ welcome back, everybody. we are coming to you live from the diner this morning in washington, d.c. we're talking about the president's state of the union address. in it the president pushed for a level playing field for all. calling it if defining issue of our time and called for a 30% tax on million dollar earners. republican congressman jeb hensarling in texas joins us from the hill. >> thanks, soledad. >> thank you. first and foremost, your thoughts on the president's speech last night. >> soledad, i'm usually encouraged by what i hear the president say. i'm just usually discouraged by what he does. to some extent he atted like he parachuted into town last night, he's been here for three years. all of his major policies have been enacted, health care plan, dodd-frank plan. each around every time he told us if we passed these the economy would improve and jobs would agree. instead what has had? almost 2 million more americans have lost their jobs on his watch and we have the highest sustained period of high unemployment since the great depression. unfortunately his policies have failed and we wish that he would try something new. it's a new year. republicans brought to him the keystone pipeline. last night the president said he wanted more jobs. he said he wanted more american energy independence. then it begs the question, why did he just bury 20,000 shovel-ready american jobs? so in that respect, it was disappointing -- >> i'm going to stop you there, sir. i hear you. let me go back to your first point and talk a little bit about the pipeline issue as well because some people have said it's not 20,000 jobs, others have said it's more about 6,000 jobs. 2 million jobs lost, i have a graphic because i want to parse through those numbers. when you look at that number. in 2008 right before the crisis it was down 3.6 million jobs. and then 2009 dropped to 5 million jobs. at that's in the month in fact first year of the crisis. look at this number in 2010, plus 943,000 jobs. right? so 2011, up 1.5 million jobs. this is a graphic exactly sort of symbolic of an improvement in the jobs? that decline was really at the start of the crisis that came from president bush? >> these aren't my figures. these come from the bureau labor of statistics. check it out. here are the facts. since president obama -- >> i think they're accurate but i think look at the time line. >> almost 2 million more people have lost their jobs. that's the fact. listen, we want our economy to improve. and by any historic standard we should have already been in full recovery. in fact, had this recovery followed the trend of all the previous post-war recoveries, americans would be thousands of dollars richer and millions more employed. but the bottom line is the policy of this president where he threatens more taxation, where he's drowning business and n. red tape with his health care program, where he is bankrupting our nation bringing our nation's first trillion dollar deficit second and third, i mean, he's caused small business toes no longer want to create businesses or hire new people. the president cannot escape responsibility for this economy. republicans have a plan for america's job creators and, in fact, we have 27 jobs bills that are stacked up like cord wood in democratic harry reid won't do anything with them. the president won't do anything with them. so, again, when the president speaks of bipartisanship, he's not practicing it. >> let's talk about that for a moment. and here's a little bit of what the president did say last night about bipartisanship. listen. >> we need to end the notion that the two parties must be locked in a perpetual campaign of mutual destruction. the politics is about clinging to rigid ideologies instead of building consensus against common sense ideas. >> so where do you see that as being possible, building consensus around common sense ideas? take off for me three points, here, here, and here is where democrats and republicans could theoretically work together. >> well, theoretically if you listened to the president's speech you would think fundamental tax reform to make the tax code fair, flatter, simpler, something republicans put in our budget, but the president opposed it. we brought it up. i was on the super committee. we brought it up in the super committee. it's well documented. democrats opposed it. so i don't know. i would like to believe what the president says but somehow when it gets down to actually governing it just seems that he's more sbinterested in campaigning than governing. i hope that could be a place where we could work together. the president talks about energy independence but again he just buried the keystone project. bipartisan support. had strong labor union support. it's been studied for over 3 1/2 years. and he just said no. so that these jobs are going to possibly be shipped to china along with the energy. so i would like to believe what the president said. again, i typically agree with 80% of what he says. i just disagree with 80% of what he does. what disappoints me so bad again is -- i just -- you know -- >> finish your thought. >> so what we see is a lot of politics of envy and division because he can't run on his record. that's disappointing. >> congressman jeb hensarling is a republican from texas. thanks for being with us. turning back to our panel this morning. wow. you know what, i'm going to make a rule. all elected officials need to sit right here so when i need to i can stop them. that is bipartisan. >> a stun gun. >> take a breath, sir, so i can get in there on the republican side and the democratic side. you know, he pointed out some things. i thought it was kind of interesting when he talked about jobs lost. 1.9 million. that's an accurate figure. but as we showed, the time line is critical in this. how big of an issue do you think this is going to be in the election? >> i think what's going to be important is how people are feeling. i think the president's challenge is not to argue about whether it was 100,000 jobs or 200,000 jobs lost this month or that month. the question really is really fundamental. are you feeling better today than you were three or four years ago? and i think the president's biggest challenge this election cycle is to convince the american people they are better off today than they were three years ago because in my central noel district they don't feel better off now than they did three years ago. i think the high unemployment rate continues to reinstill that in their minds as the reports come out every month. >> we're bog to take a moment. in just a moment we'll answer that exact question. ahead this morning on "starting point," this story is so sad. time to get real. police in a town accused of beating and harassing members of the community, arresting people for no reason. but then it's the mayor's reaction who has everybody saying, get real. welcome back, everybody. our "get real" this morning is to focusing on police officers. mantra is to protect and serve. but according to the fbi, a very small group of officers in east haven, connecticut, apparently had another agenda. after a long federal investigation into racial profiling in that town. four officers were arrested yesterday and charged with terrorizing members of community, from a member of local clergy to business owners and to latinos specifically. they are accused of profiling residents as well during traffic stops and making false arrests and performing illegal searches and then, to top it all off, conspireing to comp it all up. those officer were known as miller's boys, reference to a police sergeant john miller, allegedly. the feds call them boys with badges. and now east haven's mayor is weighing in and what he says pretty much borders on the idiotic. listen. when asked by a local reporter -- >> with a force of 50 officers, still no police officer latino ancestry. >> and your point sfwhg. >> what are you doing for the latino community today? >> i might have tacos when i go home. i'm not quite sure yet. >> i might have tacos when i get home. that's what i'm doing in the latino community in the wake of four of my officers indicted for racial profiling. well, mayor maturo said -- i know, there's so much to say on this -- says he regret it is he offended mib aanybody and blame media. he said it was a gotcha moment on camera and we say, no, sir, it's not. come on, a gotcha moment. >> this is also the thing a lot of people have to understand who are not black, who are not latino. this is what happens on a regular basis to folks in minority communities. when you hear criticism from folks, oh, no, you shouldn't get upset about that. trust me, when the cop is in your rearview mirror, you don't get worried, people like me to do. >> and the payor who represents everyone in town you would think he would have the good common sense not to represent latino community, i'm going to have tacos for dinner tonight. >> ignorance. >> ignorance. >> recall. recall. >> recall. >> roland is starting a recall election. >> recall. >> for east haven connecticut's mayor. can you do that as a texan? >> what the hell. let's start. let's get it going. sign up at the taco joint rchltsz other things to get to this morning, christine romans has a look at those stories for us. >> let me turn the page. thanks so much, soledad. we start with breaking news of a daring overnight rescue in somalia. u.s. naif s.e.a.ls conducting a helicopter raid to free an american woman and danish man held hostage by pirates over the last three months. brand new picture just released from the white house. this is president obama from the capitol immediately after the state of the union address last night. he called john buchanan to tell him his daughter jessica had been rescued by u.s. special operations forces in somalia. here's vice president joe biden on the "today" show just a short time ago reacting to the mission. >> it had been in the works for a while, matt, and the president authorized yesterday because special operations forces said this is the time. jessica's health was beginning to decline. she's a young woman in her 30s. we wanted to act. and they did. and the president followed the recommendations. i was leaving the white house last night when the situation room was actually under way. and it was once again, a remarkable testament to the special operation forces. these guys are absolutely incredible. >> all right. the syrian government signing off on a month extension for arab league monitors still in the country comes after the arab league voted last weekend to extend the mission. meantime, observers from the gulf cooperation counsel left syria today saying they were certain the bloodshed and killing of innocent civilians would continue in syria. joe paterno will be laid to rest later today after a final viewing period. it's been a long line of mourners on the college calm pause to view paterno's body, to pay their respects. public memorial will be held tomorrow at penn state. president obama hits the road today to follow up on his message of economic fairness. the main theme in last night's state of the union, he challenged congress to help him level the playing field to all americans. he will travel next to iowa and arizona. partisan politics took a backseat where gabrielle giffords was concerned. he gave him a hug on his way in. attending the state of the union was one of the final acts as a arizona congresswoman. she's resigning her house seat to focus on recovering from a gunshot to the head last year. successor will be chosen in a special election. students and faculty at high schools in tucson, arizona, are challenging the school district's decision to remove dozens of mexican-americans to studies textbooks. getting the books back in the schools has ga schoo schools has gained more that than 8,000 signatures. >> you saw the president saying to -- good job -- >> leon panetta. >> last night. good job and, of course, we now know it was that somali rescue. >> we were trying to figure out, what, cutting the budget? >> as promised before the break, congressman aaron schock, when you go to your district it is about how people feel, do they feel better about the economy, less than charts and numbers and graphs which we often we lienon in television news. >> i agree with the congressman but it's also where we're going if it's a challenge the president laid down last night. are we going to go back to try to restore some economic fairness in this country, are we going to focus on the middle class, are we going to restore manufacturing, are we going to improve education, and are we going to do it in a way -- at the end of the speech probably the most powerful moment that looked at those s.e.a.l.s that operated against bin laden and come together as a country. i think he was challenging the congress but also challenging the american people to come together. and i think people look at this and they see a future that's ability their lives and they look at i think what's going on in the republican presidential side, part of this was set that debate up as well. and they say not so much. this is really still all for the wealthy and well to do. >> the hardest part, sole 2k5da imagine, is for americans to realize how bad of a condition we were in. you had ben bernanke saying is this is going to take five or seven years. americans don't necessarily want to hear it's going to take that period of time. when you look at the home foreclosure crisis, perfect example, property values falling, home values falling. city, county, state governments having less revenue with you see laying off of teachers, other people. all of that was so impacted. >> that's an explanation. >> he's right though. it's how you feel. >> people don't feel good they're not going to say let me go back to the charts and see when this all started. >> absolutely. >> right. >> the polls still show though that people do place a loft of the blame on what took place in the eight years before president obama came to office. >> i'm going to turn here, it's good to have more to talk about. i want to take a moment to talk about mitt romney's taxes. we had those numbers released yesterday. some of his forms reveal millions of dollars in offshore accounts in the cayman islands and tax rate of roughly, effective tax rate of 14%. david k. johnson is a columnist for reuters and joins our panel and christine romans offered to stick around as well last night. thanks for being with us. david, when you have had an opportunity now to sort through all of these documents -- i know it was more than 550 pages -- what is your big take away? >> romney is a compliant taxpayer but there's a scandal in here. the scandal is the law that allows some people to pay very, very low taxes to make gifts to their children, the romneys put a trust fund for their sons that now has $100 million in it, according to the campaign, without paying any gift taxes. if you or i had $100 million of stock and wanted to do it, we would pay over $30 million in gift taxes. that's the problem. we've created a tax system that takes a narrow group of people at the very, very top, romney is in the top 1% of the top 1%. and we allow them to have a much smaller burden than middle class people. >> so unfnately for mr. romney he's kind of become the poster child of tax problems and issues in this country. less about his own personal taxes and just sort of the idea that we need tax reform in this country. what do you think tax reform, david, should incorporate? >> well, i've done a whole series of columns at reuters and more this year on how to simplify the tax system. about 120 million americans should not have to file a tax return. congress can do that quite easily and eliminate billions of dollars of wasted time and spending. we need to have a corporate tax code that doesn't tax potato chips differently than microchips. and we need to make sure that the greater your income as an individual, the higher the burden you bear. that is the mortal principle of aggressive taxation. it's profoundly conservative in the classic meaning of that word and we need to have a system that does that. right now it's progressive to a point and then falls back. romney i'llustrates that. >> let me ask christine a question. one of the conversation we were having yesterday was some of our guests talking about mitt romney being double taxed on his income and taxed again at 15%. is that actually accurate? can you explain that for us? >> i mean, and on "the call" yesterday with the romney o. oh with the guy who runs romney's money they were asked that very question. the issue is that romney is making money with money. he's being taxed on money he's made with money, not money that he's made by wages like the rest of us are. it goes to the whole issue of carried interest. and david, he's a pulitzer prize winning about this so he's the expert. but the question is are you going to change those rules so money at that end of the very elite is taxed like earnings and not taxed like capital gains. that is the real fundamental xwep he's right and what i was looking through all of these mum bers, you know, this is a man who has run for office before. governor and president. i see a very careful, careful tax strategy here. i see closing a swiss bank account because somebody decided it might look funny even though people like mitt romney have swiss bank accounts and they have accounts and funds all over the world. i see somebody who was very careful and it is tax code overall that is the real issue here. >> i think, christine, too, andive heard you say it, i've heard lots of people say it over the last week or so which is the part of like the rest of us, and i think if you're a president candidate that's going to be a big challenge. he's not like the rest of us, could be or really big problem. >> $21 million in earnings, wow. >> yeah. not like the rest of us. christine and david, thanks. ahead this morning on "starting point" we're going to play for you some of the secret tapes that take us inside the jfk white house just days before his assassination in dallas. we'll talk to a historian about that. plus, can football lead to parkinson's disease? dr. sanjay gupta is back to take a look at that question. you're watching "starting point." good morning. you're looking at the pictures inside the diner in washington, d.c. where they have been hosting us the last couple of days. i'm going to move the grits because i had a lot of grits in south carolina. this morning we're going to talk about the secret tapes from the jfk white house. cnn's mary snow takes a look. >> reporter: it's a moment inside president john f. kennedy's white house could seem mundane, him talking to his staff about a tight scheduled and up coming meeting with indonesia's prime minister. the date, november 19th, 1963. that monday ended up being the day president kennedy's funeral was held. it was president kennedy's idea to secretly record white house conversations. with a flick of a switch he could activate a tape machine located underneath the oval office. as the situation became tense in vietnam kennedy's frustration was evident as two advise irs gave him conflicting reports of the situation on the ground. beyond policy, some rare personal moments inside the oval office. the president's children, caroline and john, can be heard in the background as the president met with the russian foreign minister. pushinka was the dog given to them by soviet premier. mary snow, cnn, new york. >> let's get right to presidential historian douglas brinkley who joins us this morning. always nice to have you as a guest. want to ask you what you found most revealing in these tapes that have now been released. >> well, keep in mind, you know, most presidents get an opportunity to write a memoir from harry truman all of the way to george w. bush because of the tragedy in dallas. john f. kennedy never wrote a biography or memoir. for historians when the tapes are released we cherry pick them and listen carefully for everything. you're going see a lot of different just singular lines. you just played a couple, that will appear in future books and biographies. overall the impression from the tapes is that john f. kennedy was deep any in charge of his white house. his ability not to come part meant tallize but to be father, husband, statesman, politico, almost comedian at times. he -- there's a sort of -- you get the feeling from the tapes of who john f. kennedy is. the tapes have worked against lyndon johnson somewhat because there's a kind of vulgarian side of lbj that comes out. tapes haven't helped nixon. these kennedy tapes enhance president kennedy's historical reputation. >> i'm interested and i want to play a little piece of what he talked about -- he was very interested in his own image as well. here's he's talking about a debate whether to be in color or in black and white. >> color is damn good if you do it right. you know what's interesting, i think, douglas, is we're really not going to get those records like this on presidents anymore, right? i mean, they -- it's sort of this -- >> it's the sentiment -- would that still happen today? uh-huh? >> no, we're not doing the taping systems anymore. watergate made tapes not very popular with presidents and getting subpoenaed. we had e-mail problems instead today. but when you listen to that bite, look, this is john f. kennedy wanting to be in color. we call him the first television president and he's looking on this recent batch of tapes to have the 1964 democratic convention carried in color. it tells you a lot about his confidence. so this is an era above politicians still stuck in black and white likes richard nixon and lbj and dwight eisenhower and kennedy, the technicolor president. >> i do believe you made the understatement of the day. watergate made tapes not very popular. he is a brilliant is a brillian presidential -- >> we couldn't even take notes. >> i'm not surprised. he is a brilliant presidential historian. >> whisper. just whisper. >> coming up tomorrow on "starting point", we're going to talk to rose marie terenzio. she was his former assistant. she has a book out where she chronicles his final years. later this morning we'll examine the connection between football and parkinson's disease. we'll meet a former nfl great who thinks they are connected. stay with us. that's what i did. >> new research says exercise could also slow parkinson's. >> i try to get it in about five or six days a week. >> as much as i give a medical prescription, when i newly diagnose a person, i give them an exercise prescription. >> he's attacking his position, nothing less than an all out effort. >> the physical pain, the workouts, that's what i can do. >>'s also taking medication, seeing a physical therapist, working on his balance. flexibility, speech, and doing cardioworkouts. >> all these multi-tasking things are good for you to do. >> we started working on a few balance activities and his posture. i was having him multi-task some activities because people with parkinson's tend to not be able to do two or three things at once. >> nice job. >> he's got the support of his family who's by his side. he says he has no regrets. >> that's what i did. >> and he says if he had been more cautious, he probably wouldn't have kept his job playing football. >> sanjay gupta joins us. sanjay, what is the correlation. i've had conversations with boxers. the same thing. multiple blows to the head and some kind of parkinson's. how big is that correlation? >> it's much more significant now than it was several years ago. you may know this as well, soledad. last tuesday was mohammed alley's 70th brirt day. he talked about his onset of tremors at that time. he, himself, believing that it was due to his boxing career. his doctors subsequently agreed with him. papers have been written about this. the feeling is this. when someone has multiple blows to the head there's the thing known as the blood brain barrier. it protects the brain. keeps bad stuff out and good things in. blows to the head from boxing, football, whatever, can disrupt that barrier. some of these more harmful elements get in, surround the brain. the prevailing theories are that that's the mechanism by which park kin sons can develop, early onset dementia can develop. so the correlation is growing. he's older. he's a man as the doctor said. those blows to the head, probably a significant risk factor as well. >> sanjay, you said it's worse now than it was years ago. why? what's making it worse now? >> well, the number of concussions you're saying? >> yeah. >> part of it is we have a greater awareness of concussions. we're diagnosing more concussions. the real goal is to diagnose them and make sure they're adequately treated before they get back out on the field. you'll have increasing numbers as a result. soledad, you watched the game. players at the high school level are bigger, stronger, faster than they've been in years past and as a result you're getting these crazy, big hits that result -- probably result in some of these problems, both in the short term and long term. >> and it's so sad to hear him say if he hadn't been so aggressive, he would have lost his job, right? that's how you're successful on the football field. sanjay, i want to tell everybody that your document try, "big hits, broken dreams," premiers on sunday, january 29th at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >> ahead on "starting point." we'll get reaction from the republican side. also senator john mccain will join us as well. plus, what does nancy pelosi know about newt gingrich? 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>> let me just make my prediction and say why it isn't going to happen. >> why are you so sure? >> there's something i know. >> that's interesting. going to talk about that this morning. thank you very much. "starting point" begins right "starting point" begins right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com i like that music. let's play more of that in the morning. we're still working out our musical issues. welcome, everybody. you're watching "starting point." we're coming to you from the diner in washington, d.c., this morning. i have moved into the french toast. i have gained five pounds since we started this show three weeks ago. tomorrow is fresh fruit only. >> you're telling everybody to go back to the studio. >> i'm just saying, you know? something to think about. let me introduce you to our panel. roland martin is down at the end this morning. i can't grab him. >> you know you want to grab me. >> david frum is with us as well, and california congresswoman karen bass set is with us. >> hello. >> a lot to talk about. it's focusing on the state of the union address and the fallout from that address. the president calling for the preservation of the middle class. and in the speech called it the defining issue of our time. that brings us to majority leader eric cantor. he is live from capitol hill this morning. sir, you could have come and joined us for breakfast. i have the french toast. thank you for being with us. >> love to be here. sounds good. >> all right. let's start first and foremost with your take on the president's speech last night. what did you think? >> well, soledad, you mentioned that the president put out there his vision on how we're going to rescue the middle class. and i'll tell you, we all want to make sure that there's a better direction, more hope for the future for everybody, not just certain parts of our country, but all of us. 100% of us together. the issue, i think, that's going to play out this election is a question of warren buffet's secretary. if you look at, you know, the issue through her eyes, we want her to make more money. we want her to have more hope for the future, but the answer is not to make sure that washington taxes people more and this notion that somehow the income that warren buffet makes is the same as a wage income for a secretary, we know that's not the same either. we know that when you make capital gains income, it's much different than when a secretary is paid a wage. so, listen, we've got issues of tax reform. we're all for tax reform. we're for generating economic growth. we are not for raising taxes here in washington so it can spend more money. we want the private sector to grow. that's the message that you will hear from house republicans is focus on small business. that's the back bone of our economy. that's the backbone of america. we've got to get small business back into the game. >> since you mentioned warren buffet's secretary, who was attending the state of the union address last night, let's play a little bit of what the president had to say specifically about her. listen. >> tax reform should follow the buffet rule. if you make more than $1 million a year, you should not pay less than 30% in taxes. on the other hand, if you make under $250,000 a year, like 98% of american families, your taxes shouldn't go up. >> the president also said we can restore our economy where everyone gets a fair shot, everyone has a fair shake. you said america is about a fair shot. does what he says there match what you've been talking about for the last year? >> it is about -- we can all agree that we want everybody to have a fair shot. that's what this country was built on. you know, most of the immigrants, certainly not all that have come to this country because some came not at their own volition or will, but the immigrants who wanted to come here and now today in this country i think everybody believes in america in the very aspirational sense of our country. everybody should have a fair shot. no question i think republicans care about those who, frankly, are waking up this morning and don't know where their next meal is coming from. we have to make sure they're ee kwip equipped with the necessary tools. we all believe with that fair shot. but to muddle the issue on taxes, about warren buffet and his secretary, is not -- i don't think that that is very helpful in this debate. what we want to do is we want to make sure that we really effect some change here. stop the policies that have been in place over the last three years that frankly haven't worked. we know that our economy's not growing enough. we know we can do better. that's one of the ways republicans are putting together a bold vision for growth in the private sector, small businesses of this country so we can get the economy moving again and get people back to work. >> it's a conversation that we hear along the campaign trail certainly on the gop side, so as this whole primary moves into the state of florida, who ultimately would you rather see, president romney or a president gingrich? >> well, you know, soledad, you and i have spoken. i have a firm position in that any of our candidates will, i believe, win this election because it is going to be a referendum on this president's policies. i think the american people realize -- >> that's a long way of not answering my question. >> i told you, soledad, i have not -- i have not -- i have not taken a position in our primary. you knew that. so what i'm saying is that we have a very stark choice to make in this country. what we're going to see is two different visions playing out. the people of the country realize the policies that work in the white house don't work. what do they do when they're faced with something that doesn't work? they say, we ought to try something different, and that's what we're advocating, a much more focused, responsible policy of getting our fiscal house straight here. stop the spending and the government waste and growth in washington. focus on the secretary that warren buffet has. focus on the small businesses so we can have a better life for everybody. >> eric cantor joining us from capitol hill. nice to see you, sir. thanks for talking to us. let's turn it to our panel. he doesn't want to answer the question, president romney or gingrich he's not going answer that, i get that. this is a challenge especially with mitt romney's tax information coming out i think and the conversation at the state of the union is not even necessarily mitt romney's taxes, it's about american taxes. >> the president would have liked to have been able to stand up on the last state of the union before his re-election campaign to say i inherited an economic disaster, i delivered economic recovery. he can't really say that. yes, there is a recovery. it's not one people are seeing. his core voters, younger, poorer, more minority are feeling it less than anybody else. he cannot take the victory lap that he would like to. instead of recovery he is offering a reform project. his big reform is the ab bowlism of the capitol gains tax. >> this doesn't seem that it's being hoisted upon the american people by the white house. the feel is that -- >> if our economy were growing at 6% right now. >> no one would care about taxes. >> that would be the first item in the speech he would deliver next year, but what he would like to be up there to say -- he'd like to give the -- >> state of our on onis strong. >> yeah. he'd like to give the 1996 speemp a speech and he can't do it. >> well, i think one thing that he said in his speech was in comparison to what the economy was before, we were in a complete free-fall and that has certainly stopped. i would agree with you it certainly hasn't grown fast enough, but we have been adding more private sector jobs every month. and then this last month, you know, the first time people who were applying for unemployment had gone down. i think it was the lowest it was in the last four years. so we would certainly like it all to be better, but to compare where we were in '09 to now, i think it's a dramatic difference. >> but income inequality. i don't get the sense, david, correct me if i'm wrong, that this is a talking point from the white house. it feels to me that this is a conversation -- >> look, inequality grew paster in the 1990s than it's growing today. it wasn't a top of mind issue because everybody was getting better off. when that happens, americans are relatively tolerant. there may be somebody who's getting better off even faster. >> roland is behind you going, no, no. >> an acute issue now. i'm not saying it's not an issue. the reason it's so acute right now is because so many people are not feeling the benefits of the recovery. >> why do you disagree, roland? >> there are a lot of other people. we're talking about income inequality. maybe it wasn't on top of your mind but, trust me, there were a lot of other folks who were looking at that. you're right that what has happened is it is finally -- a lot of people have finally come awake because they've been sitting here saying, okay, it was all good, yeah, because i had a job. it was all decent. all of a sudden they realized, wait a minute. this thing has totally gotten out of hand and, really, when you look at the amount of money, the top 1% is earning in comparison to the rest of the folks, people begin to say, wow, i've been voting a certain way. i've been not asking certain questions and now occupy wall street, other people have finally gotten me to realize this is real. >> one more set to go. >> david frum has taken over the table. go ahead. >> the president actually had in his speech a proposal that could do some good, and that is his mortgage refinance plan. the single most thing we can do now is bring down the debt load. his tax message is going to drown out and make it possible to enact that mortgage refinance measure that might do good. the question for the supporters of the president is do you want to have a conversation about your anger or do you want to have your conversation about something that might be productive? >> some people might say -- >> have both. >> you can't. congress doesn't work that way. >> actually, you can, if you want to. >> you can have a monolog about it. >> anger, i would imagine, correct me if i'm wrong, is correlated to people's getting re-elected, right? >> i also think he had lots of proposals in there. you mentioned one. i do think it was an important one, but i think he had a number of proposals in there talking about education, talking about energy, talking about small business. >> those are the bad ones. >> i don't think they were bad at all. >> okay. >> you watching at home, you don't dhaul -- >> luck killy we'll have lots of -- roland martin? roland martin? roland? people are yelling in my ear. we need to go to commercial break. we can continue this conversation on the other side. try not to get in a fist fight, the two of you, in the commercial break. coming up at the bottom of our hour, we're going to talk to arizona senator john mccain. that is straight ahead. first a look at other headlines. christine has those for us. >> good morning, soledad. brand new video into cnn showing the two kidnapped aid workers in the hands of their cap tors. this was before u.s. navy seals conducted that daring overnight rescue in somalia. jessica buchanan and paoul fisted held for three months. this picture released from the white house. president obama called jessica's father to tell him that his daughter had been rescued. this is right after the state of the union. it explains why the president said, good job to defense secretary leon panetta on his way into the state of the union address. take a look. >> good job tonight. good job tonight. >> all right. you're looking live at egypt's tahrir square where thousands of egyptians have gathered to mark the one year anniversary of the start of the people's uprising. there are concerns about new clashes today between the military and protesters. the protesters are frustrated by what they see as a slow pace of change since president hosni mubarak was forced out. the syrian government signing off on a month's extension for arab league monitors still in that country. it comes after the arab league voted last weekend to extend the mission. meantime, observers from the gulf cooperation council, they have left syria today saying they were certain the bloodshed and the killing of innocent civilians would continue. some of the most powerful minds in government finance gather at a swiss ski resort in davos. front and center on the world economic forum. the european debt crisis and the threat of a worldwide recession. newt gingrich and cnn's john king picking up where they left off at last week's south carolina debate. the former speaker appeared on "john king u.s.a." last night. he slammed king in the debate. last night they went at it again. >> i can't speak for abc, but it says if you had offered, they would have interviewed you. >> oh, that is just plain baloney. i mean, i'll check with r.c. hammond in a minute. if they're saying that, they're not being honest. they said exclusively the opposite. >> don't forget to catch the cnn gop debate in jacksonville, florida. that's tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. minding your business this morning, u.s. stock futures on the dow and state police 500. nasdaq futures up, here's why. the whole story today is apple. apple is set to become the world's largest publicly traded company taking the top spot away from the oil giant exxon money. the company announced last night it has an amazing blockbuster record quarter to end last year. the company sold, get this, about 411,000 iphones. more than 171,000 ipads every single day. top 5 million the number of macs the five of first time ever. the shares are up 7.5%. if you put 10,000 in apple stocks five years ago, it would be worth $48,000 this morning. >> i hate those things. you know i didn't put $10,000 in apple stocks. >> i didn't either. >> but thank you for telling me what i missed out on. i appreciate that, christine. still ahead this morning on "starting point", what does nancy pelosi know about newt gingrich? she says gingrich getting the gop nomination will, quote, never happen. plus in news it will be kind of we are. amanda knox is going back to italy. you'll remember she spent four years there on a murder conviction that was then overturned. now she says she loves italy and she might go back. >> go to little italy in new york. >> continuing our news of the strange, alec baldwin explains his airplane tantrum that got him booted off an american airlines flight. he'll tell us all about that straight ahead on "starting point." the diner. that's where we are this morning. they've been helping us out, stuffing us this morning, and yesterday as well. we appreciate that. let's talk about nancy pelosi this morning. is she keeping a secret? did you hear this interview she did on "john king u.s.a." sounding really, really, really, really, really sure that newt gingrich will not be getting the gop nomination. here's what she said. >> let me just say this, that will never happen. >> why? >> he's not going to be president of the united states. that's not going to happen. let me just make my prediction and stand by it. it isn't going to happen. >> why are you so sure? >> there's something i know. the republicans, if they choose to nominate him, that's their prerogati prerogative. i don't even think that's going to happen. >> wow. she sounds very sure. >> well, that's right. i think -- i've spoken to the leader. what i think she means is she's somebody who serves with him and i think she believes that the republicans would never allow that to happen. they would do whatever it would take to stop them. >> or does it mean i have information that other people do not have that would scuttle this if i decided to bring it out? >> she's saying, i've got the same information everybody has. >> the ethics report is online. >> i also talk to republicans in this town and, trust me, they say that will not be happening. >> and she's saying, even if he's the nominee, can newt gingrich go eight months without doing something career recking? no, he can't. >> oh, my goodness. did he really say that? >> here, exhibit a against what all of y'all are saying is this, the poll looking at how it looks for the gop primary voters in the state of florida. mitt romney is at 36%, newt gingrich at 34% closing that gap by a lot. >> i think that's good, frankly. let the primary go on as long as possible, but whether he's going to get to the finish line, i don't believe that that's possible. everybody that describes newt says he is a hand grenade with his finger in the pin. >> i think you forget to win a nomination you have to get delegates. the magic number is 1134. if you don't get that and you go to the convention, all of a sudden it's a new ball game. your delegates are only required to be with you, i believe, on the first ballot. after that -- >> i can't imagine it getting that far. >> this thing expands. you have elections on -- set multiple primary elections on the same day. money counts. the inability of newt gingrich to persuade large numbers of donors that he is a credible leader, and mitt romney can do that, mitt romney will be walking into advertisements, walking into a wall of lead endorsements. there's a page that the political or national journal has of who in the party has endorsed romney and gingrich. not that they matter or sway people, but they are indications of what the leadership really thinks. >> he's not on the ballot in some states. >> isn't it about momentum? >> yeah, but look at the members of congress who have endorsed him, and it's not very many. those people that served with him, that know what -- >> david frum told me endorsements don't matter. >> i think members of congress do. who's going to campaign with you? how many big donors does he have? >> one big donor. endorsements don't matter in the sense they sway voters. they do matter as an indication of what the underlying balance of forces are. your ability to raise money. that money is going to matter more and more as this election gets more and more national. >> nancy pelosi sounded like she had a piece of paper in her desk drawer that she's going to whip out. >> who do you know? >> coming up next on "starting point", senator john mccain's reaction to the state of the union address. he also says that all of these debates, i think what number are we on, 18 or 19. >> 1284. >> getting boring. >> senator mccane says all these debates are damaging to the gop candidates. plus alec baldwin talks about that airplane incident. he talks to piers morgan about that. you're watching "starting point." for the third time is he's re-addressing it is how he likes to put it. ♪ ( whirring and crackling sounds ) man: assembly lines that fix themselves. the most innovative companies are doing things they never could before, by building on the cisco intelligent network. but proven technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions... ...protect water - through conservation and self-contained recycling systems... ... and protect land - by reducing our footprint and respecting wildlife. america's natural gas... domestic, abundant, clean energy to power our lives... that's smarter power today. domestic, abundant, clean energy to power our lives... what's he looking for? 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house last night in the situation room it was underway. it was, once again, a remarkable testament to the special operations forces. these guys are absolutely incredible. the german national is suspected of setting nearly 50 arson fires in the los angeles area has pleaded not guilty to those charges. harry burkhart now faces 100 felony counts related to the alleged arson spree during the new year's holiday. prosecutors say burkhart was angry about his mother's pending deportation back to germany where she faced charges on another matter. legendary penn state football coach joe paterno will be laid to rest later today after a final viewing period. it's been a long line of mourners on the state college campus to view his body, to pay their respects. a public memorial will be held tomorrow at penn state. iowa's the first stop as president obama kicks off his campaign re-election tour today. the president will sound the same themes from his state of the union address emphasizing fair play, challenging congress to level the playing field for all-americans. he'll travel to five battleground states over the next three days. arizona congresswoman gabrielle giffords will submit her final formal resignation letter today so she can concentrate on her recovery from a gunshot wound over a year ago. in her letter she says i will recover and will return. she attended last night's state of the union and in a rare bipartisan moment she received a standing ovation. amanda knox's lawyer says amanda loves italy. she wants to go back despite having spent four years in prison there before her murder conviction was overturned last year. the lawyer says the 24-year-old knox, she might return to testify as a witness for her parents. her parents were charged with slandering police in perfect rush yeah. cnn's piers morgan in a wide ranging interview with actor alec baldwin, he talks about hollywood, his future in politics, his recent dust up with american airlines over words with friends. >> i was on this plane and then all of a sudden i was in the presence of someone for whom all of those rules changed. we were going to have a very, very soviet level of enforcement of the rules, if you will. it was done very brutally. this woman was very harsh and very, very snappy. and i reacted badly to that. i got really, really very upset. then i was asked to get off the plane and get on another plane. and to the extent, as i said, that i inconvenienced anybody else on the flight, i was very, very sorry. >> you can see piers morgan's full interview with alec baldwin at 9:00 eastern time here on cnn. >> christine. >> i'm very sorry, but she was acting like a -- >> a soviet era law enforcement harsh, brought tall, snappy -- i'm sorry. >> don't snap at alec baldwin. do not snap at him. >> you know, she is an over-worked flight attendant. give him or her a break. put your ipad down. >> turn it off and turn it back on. >> for god's sake. thank you for that update. president obama demanding action from congress. that was part of what he said in his third annual state of the union address last night. he laid out his economic agenda as well. also talked about a political roadmap for the 2012 presidential campaign. he said the state of the union is getting stronger. let's get to republican senator john mccain of arizona who is our guest this morning. nice to see you this morning. wish you were here hanging out and having breakfast with us. maybe another time. why don't you start with a little reaction to the president's state of the union address, sir. >> well, i think it was a great campaign speech. obviously stoking the class warfare issue, but, you know, this may be a little different take than you're getting from others, but i was astounded by his praise for iraq since iraq is unraveling. he said that anybody who will tell you that america's not perceived to be in decline doesn't know what they're talking about. i know what i'm talking about, and i'm telling you that i talked to foreign leaders literally every day. they believe america is in decline. they believe we are withdrawing and they believe we are weak. and that is a fact. >> so what's the solution to that? as we look toward the people who would like to replace president obama. go ahead. >> i think the solution is to lead from in front. to lead, for example, instead of fulfilling a campaign promise to get out of iraq, leave a residual force there as a force of stability. don't order withdrawal from afghanistan for pure political reasons overriding the recommendations of the military that you appoint to these positions of authority. in libya there was thousands of more casualties because we didn't use the full weight of american air power. when is the president going to speak up for the people in syria that are dying in the streets? one of the worst acts of any president in recent history was when he failed to stand up and speak up for the demonstrators in the streets in tehran who were crying out, obama, obama, are you with us, are you with them? no, leading from behind doesn't work and america and the world knows it. >> i want to talk to you a little bit about the debates because you've been critical about the number of debates. i think we're on debate number 19, which will be on thursday. you've said that they're damaging to the party. let me play you a little clip of the highlights or maybe a better way to put it is the low lights of what's come out of the debates on the gop side. listen. >> if you will cheat on your wife, if you will cheat on your spouse, then why wouldn't you cheat on your business partner or why wouldn't you cheat on anybody for that matter? the speaker was given an opportunity to be the leader of our party in 1994 and at the end of four years he had to resign in disgrace. >> i'm looking forward to finding your facts on that. >> i'll tell you what the facts are. >> rick, i'm speaking. i'm speaking. i'm speaking. >> you've been walking around this state saying things that aren't true. >> that's just the short real, sir. i know you know there's a much longer real of some of the low lights. what would be a better way to show that the candidates are saying but not have all these debates? >> soledad, i think there should be a limited number of debates. it is now deteriorated into the kind of exchanges that you talked about. the purpose originally of debates were to give the candidates a chance to expose their agenda and view for the future of america, what they would do as president. now they are deteriorating obviously into serious personal attacks. what that does, it drives up the disapproval rating of the people who are in these debates thereby harming their ability, whichever one wins, which i will believe will be mitt romney, and very damaging in the general election. if this thing drags out for months with these kinds of debates, it's going to make it all the more difficult for that -- for the nominee to prevail. and it's really unfortunate that it's deteriorated. frankly, the media looks for the gotcha moment or the attack moment rather than, frankly, the view that an agenda that the candidates have for the presidency and for the country. >> let me ask you a question as you look toward the -- well, you know, that's a whole debate that i'd love to have with you. we'd need much more time than we have. you do raise a good point but i don't think that's the only point. i want to move on and talk about your candidate. you've obviously been supporting mitt romney, and as he heads to florida, florida's a state that you won back in 2008. you beat mitt romney. you came in with 36% of the vote there, had he 31%. wh what advice would you give him? the tax issue is still a problem. what do you tell him going into florida? >> well, i think he's got to be very busy. i know that florida is one of those states that's been hurt very badly, as arizona has, by the housing crisis. talk a lot about that. how we would keep people in their homes and stop them. nearly half are underwater. i think clearly the economy is a major issue in florida, but there's also a lot of military and a lot of retired military and a lot of military bases there. i think maybe he could be talking about national defense and security as well. i'm sure he'll do well. >> senator john mccain. again, i'd like to have that conversation with you about the debate process. i think we can do that in 30 minutes and cover a lot of ground. >> let me say, i understand the media is covering it the way they are. i think it's the problem with way too many debates under circumstances that i think time could be better spent campaigning. takes out a full three days out of their campaigning when you do that. one day to prepare, one day to have t and one day after. >> so then what would your number be if you could, you know, pick a number? >> far less. >> i think we're at number 19. like five? , ten. >> yeah. something like that. the presidential campaign, there is a requirement for three. vice presidentials one. we have certainly gone way beyond that number as you know. >> senator john mccain joining us. nice to see you, thaungs. >> thank you. >> i think that presidential elections are only about 2 d 1/2 months. if you look at the period of time that this election takes place, there are three in that period of 2 1/2 months. if you go 12 months, you're going to have 10, 15, 20 debates. >> his spin keeps changing so how can you limit it? >> people drop out. >> i agree with the senator on that. i think 19 has been a lot. we have to take a short break. >> they can say no. >> take a short break. ahead on "starting point", have you guys read this article in "the atlantic?" don peck is going to join us. you're watching "starting point." back in a moment. welcome back, everybody. one of president obama's main theme was protecting the middle class. the numbers show what is a squeeze on the middle class. in 2007 the median income was just over $52,000. look at 2010, that number is $49,000. that is a 6.4% drop since the recession and the lowest since 1997. americans increasingly believe that there is a growing class conflict. if you look at some numbers from pew research, 66% of americans last year say they are very strong or strong conflict between rich and poor. author don peck joins us. you have written what i think is one of the best assessments of what has happened to the american middle class. the book is called "pinched." . it's off of an article. where did the middle class go? >> well, they're not going anywhere right now. it's interesting in this recession, you mentioned the income drop for the middle class. there was also a huge loss of wealth because the middle class carries most of its wealth in housing unlike the rich. what we saw which is highly unusual in this recession was a much larger loss of wealth for the middle class than for rich americans. to some extent that's simply going to take a long time to rebuild. i do think that in the state of the union last night, you know, we saw some encouraging notes from president obama. i think the most important thing for the middle class right now is a faster economic recovery from the great recession, and i was encouraged that i heard a lot about infrastructure investment, about the payroll tax extension. deficit reduction will be very important for the economy once it's healthy again, but pursuing it too early could choke off a recovery that is now beginning. >> one of the little things that i thought was the most interesting about your article and your book was you really analyzed sort of the role of american men. fascinating to see the plight of men and it's bad. >> absolutely. you know, in 1967 the average man in his prime working years -- excuse me, men in their prime working years, 97% were working. today it's 76%. men haven't responded to an economy that has moved away from blue collar work, away from outdoor work, away from construction, manufacturing. they haven't gotten more education unlike women. they haven't moved into growing service sectors, like health care and education. i think one of the biggest problems that we face in the long term right now is how to get men back into good jobs. how to get men working again. not just for their own sake but for american families because when men are struggling economically, when they're not working, what you see are large family problems as well. fewer marriages. more divorces. more children growing up in single-parent households. >> the president talked about a recovery, but in your book you analyze who's really recovering? it's not the people in the middle class and lower middle class who are sort of bouncing back. >> that's right. i think when you look at areas like washington, d.c., where we are, when you look at manhattan, silicon valley, when you look at the enclaves of the rich, creative, highly skilled, those places have been bouncing back. a lot of wealthy americans have been bouncing back. you see a lot less in phoenix, in tampa, in las vegas and former middle class meccas. so we're seeing in this recession, in this recovery kind of a continuation and acceleration of die advice sieve areas. >> david frum has downloaded it in the 3.5 minutes we have been talking. i thought it was so great about sort of all of the processes at work and that have been work in the american economy. don that's in a reveal up next. stay with us. 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