ah, the first episode of united shades of america. such an innocent time. i know many of you remember it, because i heard about it all the time. you re the kkk guy. why would you film with the kkk? america doesn t even have that type of racism anymore. hmm. you re right. it s gotten way worse. jews will not replace us! and that was all before covid-19 and before four cops in minneapolis killed george floyd. rather than just treat him like a human. before protests, a police station burning to the ground. i m in trouble, there s an african american man threatening my life. before too many karens, before flattening the curve. and through it all a president incapable of handling any of it at all. oh, look, baby s first bible! america is finally ready to get real about white supremacy. so, let s start super easy and basic. these are white supremacists. 44 white presidents out of 45 in a land originally 100% native american is white supremacy. white supremacy is a big c
I think you need to sit down and talk to somebody about that. Because the more we push these people away, the closer they come to crossing a line. This is an msnbc special series. All across america, support for White Nationalism is growing. And violence against yous is je skyrocketing. Im trying to fight back. Were not born to hate. Ideology isnt even what is leading people to these movements. I know this is true. Because i spent eight years of my life in americas first neonazi skinhead organization. But ive spent the last 20 years warning the public. Christian picciolini joins me now. Advising Law Enforcement and helping People Disengage from hate groups. I want to help people. I feel like thats my only redemption. Ive worked on deradicalizing more than 300 individuals. But i cant win this war alone. What i see happening is a lot of violence coming. And im struggling, can somebody like that change . Is he even redeemable . Hate can be broken. When former extremists like me speak out
me anymore. the violent acts were the final straw straw for me. the tree of life shooting, the mosque shooting in new zealand you make up excuses in your mind. i could say at least there was nobody from ms and that did it. but you are still putting out negative and hateful stuff. a lot of times, with the organizations, the leaders served as a pressure valve. we are telling people, don t. literally before an event or a rally, you have to tell people no racial epithets, no cussing, no calls to violence. that would be that way, you would have to tell you members don t, right? even though jeff says he is out, not everybody trusts that he is out. that includes the southern poverty law center. really is that so bad?
of the organization you are in, and also your tiles in the organization. we can start with you. darrell, how long have you been out of the clan? depends on who you ask. tell me about yourself. i am just scoop. i was with the national socialist movement. i was the commander for the united states. i was there 27 years. jeff scoop was a leader of the national socialist movement. the largest group in the united states. from 1994, until recently, in 2019. yikes. i ve been out 10 months, now. you are fresh. 10 months is you know, if this is recovery you would still be in the early days. i think it will be recovery for the rest of our lives. yeah. tim garrett was born in germany, where he became a . then he moved to america and joined the . you know what they say, when in rome. what specifically, can you think of the moment, you are like this doesn t work for
town. surrounded, beaten, punched, kicked, all while these extremist were chanting things like jews will not replace us and a variety of other violent, racist, anti-semitic chants. what happened that weekend was in many ways intended to be a surprise. the violence was planned in these closed discord chats where they discussed everything in advance from what to wear, what to bring for launch. how do you use free speech instruments to attack people? cracking commy skulls, quote/unquote. that is a racially motivated violent conspiracy and that s not anything that is protected by the first amendment or by any other sort of right that people have. reporter: the defendants are men who made themselves white power brands. richard spencer, chris cantwell, jeff scoop, matt hooin heinbach, jason kessler, and more. and that the violence is the