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Transcripts for MSNBC Breaking Hate 20190826 01:48:00

to hate, can have compassion for people like jeff scoop, then i have no excuses. it may take a while. it cannot be an all or nothing thing. there has to be a progression. extracting jeff scoop may be twice as hard as anyone i have worked with before. but if he isn t willing to divest from his merchandise, then i m the one who is walking away. how did you feel after last night? it was a long day. i didn t sleep at all. every ounce of me doesn t want that music and t-shirts out there because i know the results of what can happen. i almost did not come here today because i did not want to have this conversation about you continuing to sell music. i was not okay with that. but then i had to think about taking your livelihood away from you is not going to set you up to succeed. but you have to come over from my side.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Breaking Hate 20190826 01:38:00

but even after 27 years in the white power movement, jeff s poison mindset isn t his only hurdle. his entire livelihood comes from peddling neo-nazi merchandise on a website he runs. this here is an education into neo-naziism. everything from the clothing to the music to the pamphlet to the down loads to the video games and patches. let s kill the [ bleep ]. this is probably the most extreme cd we have released. i m horrified by what jeff is showing me and trying to remember that this is his only source of income. if i walk into a place to try to get a job, what am i going to put on my resume? commander of the national socialist movement. you can google my name, and

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Transcripts for MSNBC Breaking Hate 20190826 01:40:00

dillon roof posted them on the storm front message page four months before he walked into the charleston church. on june 17th, 2015, 21-year-old dillon roof murdered nine african-americans during their weekly bible study. maybe my lyrics inspired him to do that. i m responsible for that. i enabled him. tell me something, please, that is something you don t condone. i absolutely do not condone killing jews or any other people. i really want to believe jeff. but when i dig deeper into his website, i stumble on something even more disturbing. there are two games on here. first person shooter games where somebody is walking into, you know, a synagogue and murdering jews.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Breaking Hate 20190826 01:47:00

into society. it can take a long time, but it has to occur in a series of small steps, small goals. ari encourages me to have patience with jeff, but this is a fight we cannot afford to lose because he has seen the worst that hate has to offer. i was a little kid during the second world war in poland. people were sent to concentration camps. my family was one of the 800 families that remained in the ghetto. one night the rumor spread that those 800 families are going to be also killed. my father and my uncle found a hiding place in a room without windows, the entry to which was through a cubbard and we stayed there for two weeks. it was a matter of luck that i survived. if ari, who has lost so much

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Transcripts for MSNBC Breaking Hate 20190826 01:36:00

i remember checking out every book in a section of world war ii. lots of boys are attracted to these things. but most of them don t have a direct ancestor who fought for hitler. i did have family that served on the german side. my grandfathers, great uncle fought. my parents were definitely not in support of it. and my grandfather told me, you stay involved in this, he says, it s going to it will probably lead you to prison. but it was too late. jeff was hooked on his new identity and the power that came with it. under jeff the national socialist movement was head quartered in detroit. jeff moved the organization here in 2007 for a reason. detroit was once a boom town for the auto industry. but for decades it s been a symbol of economic collapse.

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