I think you need to sit down and talk to somebody about that. Because the more we push these people away, the closer they come to crossing a line. This is an msnbc special series. All across america, support for White Nationalism is growing. And violence against yous is je skyrocketing. Im trying to fight back. Were not born to hate. Ideology isnt even what is leading people to these movements. I know this is true. Because i spent eight years of my life in americas first neonazi skinhead organization. But ive spent the last 20 years warning the public. Christian picciolini joins me now. Advising Law Enforcement and helping People Disengage from hate groups. I want to help people. I feel like thats my only redemption. Ive worked on deradicalizing more than 300 individuals. But i cant win this war alone. What i see happening is a lot of violence coming. And im struggling, can somebody like that change . Is he even redeemable . Hate can be broken. When former extremists like me speak out against it. This is an education into neohassism, from the clothing to the music to video games. Some kid could get this and walk into the next synagogue. Tell me that is something you dont condone. Some people that are in it are strictly in it because of the hate. Other people are in it for the politics, the nationalism, the family aspect. Everybody is different. You know, now as im getting away from everything, its a whole new life in a lot of ways. Everything i knew, all the people that i knew. How hard is it . Its very, very difficult. Im sitting across from commander jeff scoop. Until recently, he was the leader of the nationalist socialist movement. The largest neonazi organization in the country. On march 1, 2019, jeff stepped down from his position, but he hasnt publicly denounced white se peop su peoppremac supremacy. Are you ready to tell them you denounce it now . Yes. Jeff is 45 years old. For over two decades, hes been an influential figure in this hateful movement. The only way to tell the flow is to cut the head off the snake. Jeff scoop is the head of the snake. If he can find a way to disengage, it will have a massive impact on other people wanting ing ting to leave, as. But can someone like this really change . How many people did you recruit that ended up dead, in prison, ruined their lives, probably if they had never met you would have had a normal, typical life . I know a lot of people that its ruined their lives. Im still processing through a lot of that. Dont you feel responsible for furthering the violence of that cause . Thank you for checking on us. This is only my second time meeting with jeff. Im still trying to figure out if hes real. Dont we have a responsibility of the ideas we put out into the world . Theres so many things i want to say, so im probably going to be all over the place. Thats hrt. Were here to talk about these things. Its confusing time. Ive been through it. I feel in a lot of ways i have wasted my life. White power jeff reminds me a lot of myself. Were both the same age and mid westerners who embraced the White Power Movement when we were teenagers. But i turned my back on hate when i was 22, while jeff continued to rise through the ranks, taking control of the National Socialist movement when he was just 21. Hold your hand forward and salute. This is an offshoot of the American Nazi Party of the 1960s. The group stages provocative rallies across the country known for flaunting swastikas, wearing Nazi Yuniforms and glorifying hitrer. Under jeff, membership exploded, Recruiting Kids as young as 14. In 2011, jeff shared the official agenda on 60 minutes. His commitment to hate was unak big wous. Our ideal american would be all white. And everybody else has to leave, peacefully or by force. Jeff is being sued for his role in the 2017 unite the white rally. His lawyers claim he lawfully attended a political event. But the suit accuses him of conspiracy to commit violence. We will not allow our nation to become brown. Jeffs been on my radar for 20 years. So when i began to hear from sources that he wanted out of the movement, i didnt something i almost never do. I reached out to him. Until today, its been unclear whats motivating his desire to leave. What is i see happening is a lot of violence coming. From the movement, you think its going to get worse . Oh, absolutely. What would you say to these young people who you think, you know, are ramping up for more violence . Thats what i want to do now. Because i know i can use my influence. So you want to do what im doing, help People Disengage. Yes. I cant contain this. Things like the synagogue shootings, mosque shootings, church shootings. I understand the psychology behind it, what is driving people to that. Tell me for real, why they shouldnt do it. Because you should not kill innocent people, period it doesnt matter what color, what nationality, what religion, any of that sort of thing. Thats not the answer. I know better than anyone that change doesnt happen overnight. Its a difficult, sometimes dangerous road. Once jeff goes public, hell be branded a race traitor, and could face retaliation. Jeff is a father of five. He wants to keep a low profile and his family safe. Instead of meeting at his home, we pick up our conversation in that parking garage. Are you sorry for leading a group that, frankly scared the [ bleep ] out of a lot of people . Do you feel any remorse . You have to understand, im still working through a lot of the processes. Obviously, theres a lot of things i regret doing. Im so used to being the commander of the National Socialist movement and giving speeches and saying those things. So this is very difficult. Like if im lying, anybody can see right through it, because its just not in my nature to lie. Did 6 million jews die in the holocaust . Whoa because thats a lie i spread for eight years that they didnt die. That the holocaust didnt happen. Im still i mean tell me the truth. If youre struggling, this is something were going to need to work on. Im having a wow. I still have some issues with the jewish question. Letting go of years of lies and misinformation, is sometimes the hardest part of disengaging from extremism. Even today, a study showed one out of three americans has doubts that 6 million jews died in the holocaust. But i know from experience that these lies are learned, and its possible, with time, to unlearn them. Thats probably going to be one of the hardest things. Ive met jews that are good, decent people. Im just a little more skeptical about it. And thats being straight up honest. Thats going to make me sound like a monster. Its going to make you sound like a person going through transformation and is still not there. 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He was a decorated world war ii veteran, but also a lifelong antisemite and white supremist. He walked into the United States Holocaust War Museum and opened fire. A gunman opened fire inside the Holocaust Museum in washington. Von brunn killed a security officer, before being shot in the face and apprehended. Thats why i have come here, to meet a broken man. 43yearold eric von brunn, jamess only son, who reached out to me on twitter. This is an unusual case even for me. Because eric was never part of the White Power Movement. And, yet, his whole life has been defined by it. First memory i have of my father would be the letters i received from him of this war he was fighting. And i always imagined him as a Hans Solo Kind of figure. We were fighting the corrupt, evil regime, war of the rebellion. For most of his childhood, eric was told his father was far away fighting a war until his mother told him the truth. I said, you know, people do bad things. Your father did something that was pretty bad. And he went to jail for it. And thats where he is right now, not at war. Hes in jail. Can you tell me what your relationship was like . I loved him to death. He was my john wayne. He looked like john wayne. But pat tells me that over time that love was poisoned by hate. Her husbands obsession with bigotry and antisemitism spiralled out of control. He was so engrossed in it. He was eaten alive like a cancer. And then eric was born and eric was to be the prince. So he wanted to groom eric to be his legacy. Yes, yes. Neither pat nor eric can tell me why james became infected with white supremacist ideology. He was College Educated and a successful ad executive. But he was also a heavy drinker and prone to violence. And in December Of 1981 when eric was just four, his father walked into the Federal Reserve in washington, d. C. , with a revolver and a sawedoff shotgun intent on taking hostages to expose what he believed a jewish conspiracy to control the nations economy. He didnt see his son again until he was released from prison. Eric was 12 years old. And thats when the indoctrination wrapped up. What did your dad get you to believe . That whites were superior. That the holocaust never happened. I knew what he was saying was wrong, but i had to play that game of, please teach me more because i felt that if i accepted what he believed he would love me. I said, okay, dad, lets go to a movie. It was a jam packed theater. Opening credits rolled. And every time a producers name would pop up, he would stand up and shout, jew jew that guy is a jew the whole theater just turned around and looked at me. Im just like this. I wanted a father. But he wanted a disciple. Eric shows me the manifesto his father left behind. A nearly 400page document warning the world of the threat he believed that was posed by blacks, liberals, and jews. The protocols of the elders of zion. This was my homework. The protocols of the elders of zion was a fraudulent document released in 1903 by the russian czar. This was a way to demonize the jews, but putting out this document that claimed a secret group of powerful jews were conspireing to control the finances of the world and the entertainment and the media and things like that. Through the roaring 20s and the crash that followed, the protocols were held up as proof that economic suffering was caused by a jewish conspiracy. Half a million copies for printed by henry ford, complimentary with every car sold. Eric tells me he defied his fathers indoctrination and endured years of emotional and physical abuse. This is it, right . Yes, sir. But a lifetime of resistance took its toll. Is this where you took drugs . Yeah. I had a 1,600 a month habit. Where would you find the money for that . Stealing, selling, repeat diving, that kind of stuff. You said you had squatters in here . Yeah. Wow. You cant even see the garage. For nearly a decade, eric has struggled with ptsd, anxiety and addiction. The legacy of his fathers effort to bend him to his will. And he tells me that as james grew older, his hate grew more extreme. He even posted his racist manifesto online for all the world to see. Eric didnt know where to turn. So he moved james in with him to get a closer watch. I was pretty much keeping him in a cage. One day i took him to lunch at applebys. Out of nowhere, he says, its time for you to prove yourself. I need you to go to washington, d. C. , with a bomb and martyr yourself for our cause. You father wanted his son to be a Suicide Bomber . Yeah. I was like, youve got to be [ bleep ] kidding me. After 20 plus years you want me to kill myself because you think ill be a good martyr for your cause . No. Were done. 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But the night before he left, as they said their goodbyes, eric tells me his father plied him with alcohol and played on their tortured relationship. He said, look, youre kicking me out. Youre going to florida. Youre starting your new life. Thats great. But just give me my dads. 22. Thats all im asking for. James was referring to a family heirloom, a century old rifle passed down to him from his father. I was drunk, and i was tired. After 20 years, i was tired. And i said fine, just take it. And it was the worst mistake of my life. The gun erik handed his father was the same one james used to commit murder immediately after the museum shooting, federal agents located eric and his mother 800 miles from the scene of the crime. It was just surreal, you know. The secret Service Coming in asking me if i had any intentions against president obama. Im like, are you kidding . The investigation cleared eric and pat, while james was charged with the first degree murder of Special Officer Steven Tyrone Johns who left behind a 10yearold son. Do you miss your daddy a lot . Yeah. At the time, eric granted only one interview with diane sawyer on good morning america. I want to start with this little boy and the fact you said you wish it had been your father who died and not his. The wrong man died that day, yes. Seven months after he was apprehended, James Von Brunn died while awaiting trial. His son never recovered. Youre in a lot of pain. I can tell. I know you have a special place in your heart for the person who lost his life and for the family of that person. If you had an opportunity to Say Something to them, what would you say . Please kill me. Erik. Im serious. Please just [ bleep ] kill me. Take your revenge because i deserve it. You know what happened is not your fault. That trigger was pulled by your father. You fought every day of your life to not be like him. Im not like him, but i gave up and some kid lost his dad because of it. You defied that person that you are supposed to trust because you knew he was wrong. If thats not being courageous, if thats not being a good person, i dont know what else to tell you. Extremism leaves all different kinds of casualties. Erics story is really interesting because hes still battling the scars of what his father did to him. But also what his father did to Special Officer johns. He holds that inside as if it was his responsibility. Hes got a lot of damage that he needs to repair. Eric sees his life story the way i used to see mine, as a source of sadness and shame. I have an idea how i can help him. But for a prominent neonazi like jeff scoop, the path forward is far less certain. Buckle up for some insurance themed fun at Progressive Park children yeah announcer ride the totally realistic traffic jam. 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Now back to breaking hate. You feel in a lot of ways trapped because thats everything you know to come out and be like, i dont believe in this anymore, thats a good feeling. But its also very stressful. I think it would be really easy for you to just dive back into the movement. Oh, it would be incredibly easy to. A lot of people that contacted me asking when im coming back, and i keep saying im not coming back. This is jeff scoop. Until recently, commander of the largest neonazi organization in the United States. Now he says he wants out. And i want to make sure its for the right reasons. I have been following you for a while. I think most of the world saw you mainstreaming the movement by removing the swastika off your flag and logo and things like that. Yeah. We got rid of the swastika. It is a much less recognizable symbol than the swastika. Though, it was adopted by some nazi units during world war ii. What would you say that jeff scoop is just doing this to try and hide more . There is certain things in the movement that dont mesh with my thinking. I was trying to tone down the message, mainstream the organization, and it cant be done. I want to help jeff start over and find his way out of the White Power Movement. But to do that, i have to better understand why he got in. Like how does jeff scoop at whatever age, 12, 13, 14 decide im going to read mein kampf and im going to be a nazi. Thats not what most kids are thinking about. Jeff tells me he grew up in rural minnesota in a small, white part of the state. From an early age he was captivated by military history. I remember checking out every book in a section of world war ii. Lots of boys are attracted to these things. But most of them dont have a direct ancestor who fought for hitler. I did have family that served on the german side. My grandfathers, Great Uncle Fought in the third reich. My parents were definitely not in support of it. And my grandfather told me, you stay involved in this, he says, its going to it will probably lead you to death or prison. But it was too late. Jeff was hooked on his new identity and the power that came with it. Under jeff the National Socialist movement was head quartered in detroit. Jeff moved the organization here in 2007 for a reason. Detroit was once a boom town for the auto industry. But for decades its been a symbol of economic collapse. Historically when there is financial hardships in a country, people are looking for answers. For a Political Organization like the National Socialist movement, it is prime, fertile recruiting grounds. It was easy to blame the job losses on immigrants, minorities and jews. But he tells me his plan backfired. Instead of radicalizing new recruits, this multiethnic city began deradicalizing him. I was Hearing Stories from other people. I never considered those before. I never thought about them. I was simply fighting for my tribe. When i started listening to some of the other people, its not just a whitish you. It is an issue of all americans are having this. You have this elite class getting richer and richer and richer. The middle class and the poor the poor have gotten just poorer, and thats, you know, where things have changed. But even after 27 years in the White Power Movement, jeffs poison mindset isnt his only hurdle. His entire livelihood comes from peddling neonazi merchandise on a website he runs. This here is an education into neonaziism. Everything from the clothing to the music to the pamphlet to the down loads to the video games and patches. Lets kill the [ bleep ]. This is probably the most extreme cd we have released. Im horrified by what jeff is showing me and trying to remember that this is his only source of income. If i walk into a place to try to get a job, what am i going to put on my resume . Commander of the National Socialist movement. You can google my name, and thats all that comes up. I can recognize how hard it is. But boohoo. You made the bed. How does it make you feel knowing that some kid could get this and walk into the next synagogue . How do you justify that . I dont know that there is an answer for that. I am for Freedom Of Speech. But this is not Freedom Of Speech. Freedom of speech protects us from things that we say that are critical of government. I dont think Freedom Of Speech gives us the right to diminish and call for the murder of other people. If someone is that mentally unhinged, a movie or a game or a music cd drives them to do something crazy, there is something wrong in their head. We know this exists. It is not like a hypothetical. I wrote a song 30 years ago that, as a kid, i thought its funny. Im going to piss people off. Years later, 2015, a reporter stands next to me and she said, i want you to read these lyrics. Dillon roof posted them on the storm front message page four months before he walked into the charleston church. On june 17th, 2015, 21yearold dillon roof murdered nine africanamericans during their weekly bible study. Maybe my lyrics inspired him to do that. Im responsible for that. I enabled him. Tell me something, please, that is something you dont condone. I absolutely do not condone killing jews or any other people. I really want to believe jeff. But when i dig deeper into his website, i stumble on something even more disturbing. There are two games on here. First person shooter games where somebody is walking into, you know, a synagogue and murdering jews. For somebody who claims hes opposed to violence, to put things like this into the world, thats pretty [ bleep ] unacceptable to me. I know if i push jeff too hard too fast i might lose him. But i cant support a hypocrite who preaches peace while he profits off of merchandise that promotes violence. 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Im working with an individual whose name is jeff scoop. He is the leader of the largest neonazi group in the United States. I need to understand can somebody like that change, somebody at that level who has been in from the time he was 14 or 15 years old. I think a very dominant motivation for most of us is the quest for significance, the quest to feel respected, feel empowered, feel that we matter. In the case of jeff, he could be a force for the good as a person that could authoritatively turn others away from extremism. If he felt that he can reenter society, he can fulfill an important function. But at the same time, its going to be very difficult to replace what he has had. One of the things that hes doing that im struggling with is he makes his living running a website that sells hate music and neonazi paraphernalia. I would love for him to take it down today, but i dont want to sabotage somebody that could be a very powerful voice in this process of helping People Disengage. I think it cannot happen abruptly. He has a family to feed. He cannot become homeless overnight. He needs to have a job. He needs to be reintegrated into society. It can take a long time, but it has to occur in a series of small steps, small goals. Ari encourages me to have patience with jeff, but this is a fight we cannot afford to lose because he has seen the worst that hate has to offer. I was a little kid during the Second World War in poland. So i was put into a ghetto. People were sent to concentration camps. My family was one of the 800 families that remained in the ghetto. One night the rumor spread that those 800 families are going to be also killed. My father and my uncle found a hiding place in a room without windows, the entry to which was through a cupboard, and we stayed there for two weeks. It was a matter of luck that i survived. If ari, who has lost so much to hate, can have compassion for people like jeff scoop, then i have no excuses. It may take a while. It cannot be an All Or Nothing thing. There has to be a progression. Extracting jeff scoop may be twice as hard as anyone i have worked with before. But if he isnt willing to divest from his merchandise, then im the one who is walking away. How did you feel after last night . It was a long day. I didnt sleep at all. Every ounce of me doesnt want that music and tshirts out there because i know the results of what can happen. I almost did not come here today because i did not want to have this conversation about you continuing to sell music. I was not okay with that. But then i had to think about taking your livelihood away from you is not going to set you up to succeed. But you have to come over from my side. I cant cross over to where you are. It wasnt that long ago, a year ago, that you were in Georgia Burning Swastikas in a field. I know. Its going to mean that you are going to have to prove that you are serious about this. That website has got to go. Are you ready . Im ready. Is he . Something in my gut tells me Commander Scoop is listening to my words but not really hearing me. He didnt want to continue on camera, but later changed his mind. You do realize the amount of money i have invested. Im 40 something years old. Every nickel i have is invested in that. Thats what makes this so complicated. I dont appreciate being put on the spot like that, though. What do you think youre doing here . You are trying to leave. Its not going to be easy. I know that. But i dont have an answer for all that yet. I told you well figure it out together, and i meant that. Okay. But you know that would all be thrown out the window if somebody found out you were selling white power cds and tshirts. Out the window. You would never in a hundred years be able to explain that away. Everybody is going to be like, hey, [ bleep ] that guy. Jeff offers more promises. If im going to keep working with him, i need more than words. I need to start seeing actions. 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My name is christian picciolini. And 23 years ago, i was a neonazi skinhead. For me, The First Step In Finding Forgiveness is when i started to use my story to warn others about the growing dangers of todays extremism. Ive asked eric to join me today. Not to listen to my story, but to share his own. My friend wants to tell you a little bit about his story. Now his is a little bit different than mine but very, very important. So with that, please welcome my friend erik von brunn. 7 i believe taking control of his own history will be a powerful first step in his recovery. First off, thanks for having me. My storys quite a bit different from christians. So i wont try to take up so much time. Seeing him now reminds me of something he said when we first met. When federal agents interviewed eric after the museum shooting, they showed him a letter they intercepted from his father. The final words jaime von brunn sent to his only son youre not strong enough. Youve always been weak. You dont deserve my name. Change it. That was it. But its my name, not his, mine. Thats my name. I want my name back, and i want it to mean something positive, and i want to do something positive. I want to help people as much as i possibly can. Because i feel like thats my only redemption, honestly. This is why i brought eric here. To tell them the truth about the struggle for his fathers love. The indoctrination and abuse and the murder of Special Officer steven johns. He took me down a long, dark road that im only now just getting out of. So basically the big takeaway here is, only you can define who youre going to be. Okay . You werent born hating anyone. If you do hate somebody, why do you hate them . Who told you to hate them . Those questions are going to help you identify who you are inside. Only you guys can make the right choice. So thats all im going to say. Thats my story. Im not a professional psychologist. Im an exnazi who for the last 20 years has tried to stop other people from making the same mistakes that i made. But when i saw eric telling his story up there, made me really proud. Youre very brave. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I wish you the best. Thank you very much. Nazi germany was defeated in 1945. But todays neonazi movement is flooding our world with falsehoods that Fuel Recruitment and violence. I want people to counter these lies with the truth. This culture was founded by white men its meant to be white people like commander jeff scoop. Jeff is taking steps to show me he wants that too. He took it down. The violent video games on his website are no longer for sale. Its promising. Its a good first step. And during this years motor city pride festival, when armed members of the National Socialist movement showed up shouting antigay slurs and urinating on an israeli flag hoping to incite violence, the former Commander Scoop stayed far away. Ive known these guys for years and years and years. So it was pretty hard to ignore the call. But i dont think its in my interests now to be around all that. Im proud of you for having the strength and the courage to do this. All these people that you still care about in the movement, i would make it a point to go try and help them disengage from something that you know is not helping them. These people respect you. Lets see how we might be able to make that happen. I had my doubts about jeffs past. But this gives me hope for his future. Since our filming, jeff has shut down his entire website and is no longer selling hate paraphernalia. Each one of these people are an individual. And there has to be good inside of each individual. And if you can reach in there and pull that out now youre speaking my language. You see . Ive helped Disengage Hundreds of extremists