watched the debate or not, you should definitely watch the postgame recap that we're going to do here on msnbc. it's going to be fun. i will be there with the whole gang. a cnn, friday night after the aa, 11 pm eastern -- sorry, i said friday night. wednesday night, a pm eastern. it will feel like a friday, it will be that fun. now it's time with the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> well, rachel, wednesday is going to be air friday. kind of. >>-ish. >>-ish. rachel, i was listening to your discussion about what's happened to high school students in arkansas who want to take the ap african american studies course at there. we are going to have a historian tonight, drew gilpin faust, as you know, the first woman president of harvard university, who i hope we have time to get to that. if not, she is going to have to come back, because she's rich in a wonderful memories that i have just loved every page of. we're going to discuss that. it puts a range of history, including a bunch of what is now called african american history because, professor faust grew up and the segregated south, the way cited line at the segregated south. she tells the truth of that in her book, which we will know might get band and some high schools in arkansas. >> at a time when history and psychology and all these other basic things are being banned as too controversial to teach their red state kids, people who grew up in red states, in particular, people who grew up in the kinds of lines that you are talking about, having an important role to play in reminding us why not learning history does not make it stop. >> this book is an important entry in that discussion. we'll get to that later in the hour. >> thanks, lawrence, good luck. >> thank you, rachel, thank you. the most important thing about donald trump's announcement tonight that he will, quote, be going to atlanta georgia on thursday to be arrested schmidt, it's what he did not say. donald trump did not ask or beg his followers to be there to protests. remember all the worried anticipation, not shared on this program about what might have been in lower manhattan when donald trump summoned his supporters to protest his arrest there that day? what happened is exactly what i expected to happen, they did not show up. donald trump got 74 million people to vote for him the last time for president, and he only got two dozen of them to show up, not so much to protests and the arrest but to try to catch a glimpse of their hero going into the building, which most of them could not do, because they were so far away in the crowds. i walked amongst the trump supporters and protesters that day with 100% confidence that they would be 100% peaceful, and they were. more than 1000 of these people were willing to partake in a violent mob attack at the capitol are in either prison or -- with them away, there is no enough to protest donald trump's arrest, and no one knows that better than donald trump. the people who showed up in manhattan and in florida for donald trump's arrest or most of people, who were just hoping that they could weigh to their friends from home in front of a tv camera. that were more members at the press and news media at both of those events than there were so-called protesters. those cameras from the news media attracted the protesters even more, possibly done their desire to protect donald trump interest. in donald trump's a deeply perverse mind, he is probably hurt more by the willful refusal of his followers to show up to protest his arrest and then he is by anything written in the criminal indictments against him. donald trump has given up. he's given up trying to scare you by issuing dangerous sounded calls for protests at his rest, because donald trump believes, he knows, they won't show up. donald trump got 2 million, 461,854 votes in georgia in the last election, but he does not believe that he can get most people to drive to the fulton county jail on thursday to practice his arrest. donald trump got 137,247 votes in fulton county alone, but joe biden got 380,212 votes in fulton county, so donald trump has given up asking his voters to protests his fourth arrest, which he has now scheduled for thursday of this week in atlanta. donald trump's criminal defense for the indictment have signed a bond agreement with the shaka tierney fani willis that requires donald trump to post bond of $200,000 and imposes conditions on donald trump. it says, quote, the defendant shall perform no act to intimidate any person known to him to be a codefendant or witness in this case or to otherwise obstruct the administration of justice. obstruct the administration of justice, it may turn out to be the key words in these conditions. there are more conditions listed. the defendant shall make no direct or indirect threat of any pitcher against any codefendant. the defendant shot make no direct or indirect or have any nature against any witness including, but not limited to, the individuals -- of any nature against any victim. the defendant shot make no director and director of any nature against the community. the above shall include, but are not limited to, post on social media or re-post of post made by another individual on social media. the defendant shall not communicate in any way, directly or indirectly, about the facts of this case with any person known to him to be a codefendant in this case except through his counsel. just before he was indicted in georgia, donald trump blatantly violated one at the conditions law that he must now live by when he publicly intimidated a witness in the case, when georgia's former lieutenant governor jeff duncan revealed that he had been subpoenaed to testify to the fulton county jen jury on the last day at the grand jury investigation. donald trump posted that i am reading reports that former authentic governor of georgia jeff duncan will be testifying before the fulton county grand jury, he should not. there is donald trump thank a witness not to testify, but that was before he was under a court order specifically for putting him from doing that. it is very likely that donald trump will stop making any direct or indirect threats to codefendants or witnesses, but the court order does not forbid him from making direct or indirect threats to district attorney fani willis. but it does prevent donald trump from doing anything, quote, to otherwise obstruct the administration of justice. and that is a general term that could mean that the judge in the case might have to decide whether donald trump's attacks on the district attorney obstruct the administration of justice. do donald trump's vicious lying attacks against attorney general fani willis pressure jurors in the case against the district attorney? in his announcement tonight of the scheduled arrest on thursday, donald trump called fani willis, quote, the radical left district attorney. and that is the nicest thing he has ever said about her. does the public language obstruct the administration of justice in this case? it's not out there, but it is highly presidential language about the case being publicly issued from the rooftops of the internet for all jurors in fulton county through here. donald trump will surely test the meaning of the phrase obstruct the administration of justice. and the judge in the case, scott mcafee, might be forced to deal with that. one of donald trump's codefendants and the case, white house chief of staff mark meadows, has asked that his trial be moved through federal court because he was a federal employee at the time at the alleged crimes. now, mark meadows is asking federal court to completely dismiss the case against him on the legal theory that he is totally immune for prosecution for any actions during his time as white house chief of staff. that would have been an extremely awful defense there to the last republican white house chief of staff who went to prison for crimes committed in the office. president nixon's white house chief of staff, bob hope, served 18 months in federal prison for currents committed for president nixon's benefit while he was president richard nixon's white house chief of staff. eight months after, richard nixon resigned the presidency. his former vice president became president, gerald ford, pardoned richard nixon for all of the crimes he committed during his presidency, so richard nixon never went to trial for those crimes. but his white house chief of staff went to trial for. years later, in an interview, richard nixon insisted on a version of the legal theory that mark meadows is relying on now. >> when the president does it, that means it is not illegal. >> by definition. >> exactly. >> in other mark meadows a news, abc is reporting that mark meadows told jack smith's investigators that he does not recall donald trump, quote, ever ordering or even discussing the classified broad sense of classified material before leaving the white house, nor was he aware of any standing order from trump authorizing the automatic declassification materials -- sources familiar with the matter tell abc news. meadows also told investigators that he was not involved in packing the boxes that trump took to mar-a-lago after leaving the white house. leading off our discussion tonight is andrew weissmann, a former fbi general counsel, former chief of the criminal division at the eastern district of new york. he is a professor and why you lost school and co-host of the prosecuting donald trump podcasts and msnbc legal analysts. and neal katyal, former acting u.s. attorney general and host of the podcast courtside with neil castillo. andrew weizmann, i want to go to the conditions imposed on donald trump and have we see a possible violation of those conditions tonight when he called fani willis a left wing prosecutor, that sort of thing? is there some point in donald trump's language about the district attorney that obstructs the administration of justice? >> if i were looking for prior language that violates the letter and spirit of the rules to are not in place in georgia, as well as nbc, it would be if you come after me, i come after you, and as you noted, lawrence, telling the witness going into the grand jury that he should not obey a lawful grand jury subpoena. that, by the way, is a crime. you cannot cancel a crime, whether it's at the conditions in d.c. or in georgia. i do think that the fate of donald trump is in his hands. the reason he is under indictment is because of choices he made. he chose to commit crimes that led to the d.c. indictment. he chose to take documents, retain them and not return them, obstruct justice in florida. these are all choices he made. if he continues to make choices, now that he is out on bail, for criminal cases, it is incumbent on the prosecutors and the judge to take action. it consists surely be incremental action, but here is the bottom line. when we're dealing with followers who he knows very well are dangerous, we're not talking about things where it's a risk to the jury down the road. we're talking about real potential for violence with respect to prosecutors, judges, families, and that i think is what is going to drive prosecutors and the judges to stiffen their backpack here because of the real violence that we have seen and nobody in deposition wants to feel like they did not do enough to prevent, if he continues to take these kinds of actions. >> neal katyal, it seems that language to obstruct the administration of justice is broad enough for the judge to stop donald trump's attacks on the district attorney. >> i certainly is, lawrence. to backup, i think the 200,000 dollar bond today, everything that georgia has done so far, i am glad to see it because they are signaling that georgia is not going to give donald trump any special treatment. yes, he got to avoid mugshots and bomb payments in new york and the federal cases, but not in georgia. there is no two tiered system of justice. he will have a mugshot, will be fingerprinted, will have to comply with, as you say, this -- that does have this broad provision obstructing the administration of justice. i suspect, lawrence, the way that it will first be enforced is what judge chutkan has already signaled she'll do in d.c., which is if you continue the attacks, then i won't move the trial date up. that's a way to ensure the safety of the jury and of the judges, in a shorter amount of time and also to avoid any tank of the jury. >> and, you were seeing the richard nixon to david frost defense, apparently, that if the president does it, then it's not illegal. that seems to be a version of what we're hearing from mark meadows and his motion to dismiss the case entirely because he seems to be saying if the white house chief of staff does it, it's not illegal. >> this is [speaking in a non-english language] -- there was a revolution that we thought against that principle. and mark meadows argument here is i think pretty weak. if he were to go out and rob a bank, he does not get to say, but wait, i was the chief of staff. who cares? if you rob a bank, irresponsible. that is not a function of being the chief a staff. what is also not a function from being the chief of staff or the leader of the free world is engaging in a coup. and to say that i am immunized because i was working out at the white house, that makes the crime worse, not better. >> we're going to squeeze in a quick commercial break here. please stay with us because when we come back, i want to pick up this other news about mark meadows and what he has said about there being no declassification order that he was aware of by donald trump in the white house. we'll be right back with andrew weissmann and neal katyal. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ why didn't we do this last year? before you were preventing migraine with qulipta®? remember the pain? cancelled plans? the worry? that was then. and look at me now. you'll never truly forget migraine. but qulipta® reduces attacks, making zero-migraine days possible. it's the only pill of its kind that blocks cgrp - and is approved to prevent migraine of any frequency. to help give you that forget-you-get migraine feeling. don't take if allergic to qulipta®. most common side effects are nausea, constipation, and sleepiness. learn how abbvie could help you save. qulipta®. the forget-you-get migraine medicine™. somebody would ask her something and she would just walk right past them. she didn't know they were talking to her. i just could not hear. i was hesitant to get the hearing aids because of my short hair. but nobody even sees them. our nearly invisible hearing aids are just one reason we've been the brand leader for over 75 years. when i finally could hear for the first time, i started crying. i could hear everything. call 1-800-miracle and schedule your free hearing evaluation today. >> woman: why did we choose safelite? 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>> he's got to get to the terms of the defense, and before getting to the, i want to return to absolute immunity of mark meadows filing, because i want to understand, when meadows and trump say absolute immunity, they're saying the law can't touch them. they can do what they want as president and chief of staff. i renata about this 25 years ago. this is a totally bogus theory. unfortunately for mark meadows, i have not been able to find the federal law or constitutional provision that makes in the very awful election part of the job at the white house. it is ridiculous. meadows was acting as some protector of election integrity. he was acting to protect his boss and tried to get the results don't out. and that way, he is similar to nixon's chief of staff. it's not just meadows. trump today was tweeting basically that he has absolute immunity according to some constitutional scholar, which is probably ridiculous. alone, for him to espouse this is disqualifying for the offense. dick about what they're saying. they're saying that joe biden and his chief of staff, jeff science, canter out the election next november and install themselves for a second term. it's ridiculous. >> yeah, they are saying that president biden and the white house chief of staff now can basically commit any crime they want. this really is the nixon doctrine that nixon did not there enunciate on top after he was pardoned. >> exactly, normally, they only voice this when they have absolute immunity, with the next guy's power. it's not the case. i think back to what donald trump is saying and what he thinks joe biden's powers are. now it's just constitutionally absurd. the other question about mark meadows and what he said about the standing order to declassify, i don't think that's all that surprising lawrence. we talked about this before. the idea that the president had a standing order to declassify documents is just ridiculous. it's not surprising that mark meadows, the chief of staff is confirming that there was no standing order. that is not surprising. like i said yesterday, it's like finding out there is sugar in desert. yeah, of course. but at the same time, it's good to have the chief of staff -- it counts as one defense he had, which is the standing order to declassify things. >> and you, how does the mark meadows story interact with himself? he is indicted in georgia, not indicted by jack smith in washington for much of the same activity then jack smith is calling criminal on the part of other people. he is not indicted in the documents case and yet he appears to be extremely helpful witness to jack smith in the case. >> i think the most notable thing to me is that he is not reported the one of the unindicted coconspirators federally, meaning that jack smith did not think that he had enough to really sort of lay out his role in the current d.c. case. i think with respect to the unindicted coconspirators, the six, i think basically they will be charged by jack smith. it's just a question of when, not if. but with respect to meadows, i think if i had to guess to see what his good lawyers are doing, is to kind of help jack smith. he might want him as a witness. knowing jack smith, i think he is saying, look it, if you're got wants to cooperate, he's pleading guilty. i am not giving immunity to the chief of staff of the united states to engage in a coup, so i don't care if it helps in the mar-a-lago case, it does not matter, i don't need it, to neil's point. i don't need something that i have in spades. so you are either all in and amid what you did or did not. that's where i think jack is. the real question is whether he will feel like he has enough proof the way that funny willis like she had enough proof. >> andrew weissmann and neal katyal, thank you both very much once again for joining us, i appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >> thank you. when we come back, we'll hear from president biden in hawaii, where he just spoke about the devastating damage that he's seen there from a wildfire in maui. we'll bring you what president biden had to say next. had to say next. diabetes can serve up a lot of questions, like, "what is your glucose?" and "can you have more carbs?" before you decide... with the freestyle libre 2 system know your glucose level and where it's headed. no fingersticks needed. manage your diabetes with more confidence. and lower your a1c. the number one doctor prescribed cgm. freestyle libre 2. try it for free at freestylelibre.us what do we always say, son? 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when did they become unbearable? what was the moment of epiphany? for drew, the epiphany came when she was nine years old, on february 12th, 1957, she wrote a letter, there mr. eisenhower, i am nine years old, and i am white. but i have many feelings about segregation. she asked the president of the united states to and segregation. our games in the woods and fields around our house most often involved the refining of civil war battles, when my older brother forced me to be grant so he could be really. years went by before i learned that grant had actually won the war. memories are personal history. when a memoir is written by and distinguished historian, whose lens is widened to include resting facts like this. in the first kentucky derby, run in 1875, 13 of the 15 rioters were black. between 1911 and 2000, no black jockeys competed in the kentucky derby. what happened? what happened to the black jockeys? why did it happen? if you were a public high school student in florida right now, they won't tell you what happened to the black jockeys and other black people. drew gilpin faust more is a beautifully written story of american pain and progress. the new york grow who asked the president to and segregation grew up to pass to her first vote for president in 1968, for dick gregory, who ran a campaign as a candidate at the peace and freedom party. my right invoked for dick gregory was one of 1680 votes he received in virginia. it was one of two votes he received in clark county, where nixon's total was 1127, humphreys seven 68, and while this is 742. 742 votes for the segregationists and two votes for the black man. 40 years and ten white house races later, virgin it would cast its electoral ballots for the first black president. joining us now is harvard history professor, drew gilpin faust, whose books on civil war history might already be banned and florida public schools, and whose new book is titled necessary trouble. it may be on its way -- i will hold it up so that the parents of florida high school students will know what to afford to learn the true history of growing up in the age of segregation. this is such a beautiful and wonderful and warm -- i just could not stop turning every page of the title of necessary trouble. tell the story of the title. it's a big tourette where at the end, it is the start of the title and how this came to be at the time? >> the title, necessary trouble, is something that is familiar to you, borrowed from john luiz, who talked about how it's important to make good trouble necessary trouble. and my ears as harvard president, i got to know john lewis, and at my last commencement, he gave the commencement address, and as he was beginning, he turned to me. i was sitting there in my presidential seat, and he said, madam president, thank you for making -- he talked about my eisenhower letter that you just quoted, and he set, thank you for making necessary trouble. as i was writing the book in the years after that, i thought about how that phrase, necessary trouble, with such a perfect description of what my growing up had been like, which was that i had to make trouble to escape the constraints and injustices of society in which i was growing up in secretary virginia, a society in which my mother said to me, it's a man's world sweetie. the sooner you learn that, the better off you'll be. i was just in revolt from the time that i was about two years old with the we see clothes that i had to wear until i started writing letters to eisenhower. i came from a very conservative, conventional family, so i had to make trouble. it was necessary to survive. i called the john lewis about two months, three months before she died, and asked him if i could use this title, if i could use his words. he, of course, being the wonderful gracious meant that he was. he was more than welcome to do so. i thought that i had the permission and busing and taking his words and using them for my book. >> and you as a white journalist and a small way, i want to hand of the civil rights movement. you are of the college generation that was going south. you tell a story of the book that i write at the greater fellowship us in washington, d.c. on june 22nd, 1964, to begin the orientation. the day before, three civil rights workers, james cheney, andrew goodman and michael schwerner had disappeared near philadelphia, mississippi. there is little doubt that they have been kidnapped and likely killed by white segregationists. dick hilar tried to reassure us by emphasizing that from the beginning, he had explicitly ruled out any mississippi time for us, judging into dangerous. but that seemed small comfort. i and others, i would guess, quietly wondered, we'll, is alabama all that much better? but no one openly voiced fears or second thoughts. and you -- >> i did, i did. this is part of a quaker initiative to send students into the south to try to support civil rights but also to try to talk to people who were segregationists. this is very much the quaker spirit, talk about lines a difference, so it was also not just the summer and schwerner goodman and cheney disappeared, it was also the summer that the civil rights act of 1964 it was passed, in early july, and that was the law that provided public accommodations could not be segregated. so we spent a lot of time with our african american hosts and the very cities, carlsberg, birmingham, prince edwards county, testing data new civil rights act. and trying to see if it was being complied with, with those integrating groups in public accommodations. it was a summer and what you are supposed to be reaching out, but most secrest in us were in white power structures in the places that we were located wanted very little to do with us and found a stunning and even dangerous. >> so you had some good luck in her life, and one thing that stopped me when i came across it was there you were at a high school and massachusetts, sent off to massachusetts to high school. and that a neighboring high school, small, private eye school, you get to go here to see a speaker one day, who is reverent martin with the king junior, in your high school, you get to hear him, what is that like? >> first of all, it was like -- i get treated susie as a girl with intellectual aspirations -- >> for the first time. >> really, really. but we were invited to go to the school for speech that more in the king would give, and i think he was at the school because they had at the brown school was a man named jon proctor, who was a devoted advocate of civil rights way back in the 1950s before white northerners paid much attention to these matters. he got to be friends with martin luther king when barr and with the king was a graduate student at the. law he asked dr. king, what you come and speak? dr. king feeling friendship from reverent dr. set, yes, i will. in february 1963, just a few months before the march on washington speech, i have a dream speech, dr. king spoke, and i went out and sat in a library anti room with a whole bunch of other students and listened to a speech and what she kind of pre-figured i have a dream speech. there was a student who illegally taped it and kept the tape for years and years. it was just discovered a few years ago, and it's a speech that is quite remarkable. it talks about america being a dream, and how we realized the dream of america. i got to listen to these inspirational words that also challenged us and said, you complacent northerners, what will you do? there is nothing worse than a person who is indifferent are inactive facing and justice. it just reinforced every inclination that i expressed as a nine-year-old and felt even more fervently as a 15 year old when i heard that speech. >> and then towards the end of college, you've got the word that one day, the school of martin luther king day was assassinated. he described it as, said the news physically her, made it almost impossible to breathe. what was that they like? >> it was at a gathering to celebrate the history majors and their upcoming graduation. of course, he was assassinated in april, and we would be graduating and early june. this is kind of the end of the school year. we were at the house of the chairman of the history department having an ice cream social. suddenly the news came that he had been shot. i struggled on how to explain in the book. it was as if i was hit on the head with a plank. i felt it all through my body. of course, we all felt in our hearts and souls. it just seemed unimaginable that this great and good man, this hero was eliminated from the face of the earth in such a devastating way. of course, the united states erupted immediately after the with violent protests, and i can't remember which news person it was but a famous newscasters said that this is the most violence that the united states has seen since the civil war i think. people were so distressed, they did not know what to do. they turned to violence, others turned to -- >> you were told, i think this was one of your high school teachers or administrators, who gave you an attitude towards education. one she said, it open itself up to the notion that you have a lot to learn and do not know close to an infinite. a sense of ignorance feels the desire to overcome it. humility is a prerequisite for being educated. >> these were the words that were delivered to the freshman class and think in the fall of 1964 at bryn mawr college, by the president of the college, who had been there for decades, and it would think, who is this old lady except i would never forget those old words that she delivered to us. because, it seems to me to be such a foundational part of learning, to say the i don't know if things. i tried to make a -- during my presidency at harvard. let's all open ourselves and practice humility. i think every aspect of life is well served by picking up the position in relation to everything around you. >> i always take intellectual humility as a sign of were once and's up in the educational scale. what is the most important thing to you about college? i said, and understanding at the enormity and permanence of my universe. and that sense you often to every other subject. >> it means you can stop, right? he just had to keep learning. >> what are your concerns about those high school kids in florida who won't be able to find this book in their school fibers. >> i am so distressed about the notion of censoring books but also censoring history and the teaching of history and what we are going to talk about the pass, and the notion that nothing you learn should ever make you uncomfortable. everything you learn should make you accountable, because learning is about growing and changing. if you're unwilling to change, and willing to stretch, what's the point? i worry deeply about what kind of country we can be? what kind of people we can be if we don't amid that learning is meant to expand us and lead us to ask questions, to find books that maybe our parents never read or approved of. certainly, if my parents approved of everything i did, there would be no letter to eisenhower. i don't know who i would be. i would have to make trouble to get to where i could have access to a wide world. >> drew gilpin faust, the book is necessary trouble. please, yourself this book. you owe every student this book. it's a harvard professors book, but look, it's not a big, thick thing. the kids can have a fun summer weekend with this. 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