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>> thus far everything that we said about the effectiveness, they're really quite corporable. but have not done a head to head comparison, but i would be surprised if there was not the same sort of effect if as is now being reported with pfizer. >> does this indicate to you, does that tell you that the definition of fully vaccinated should include the booster dose? and would you go on to think that we should be thinking in the future about a three-dose regimen? >> i think the latter of what you said is certainly true. the definition for regulatory and requirement purposes is still a two dose. but there is no doubt now that to be protected you need a third shot of an mrna and a sect shot for j&j. the question of whether or not fully vaccinated should include a third shot in the definition is on the table. right now we're sticking to the definition of fully vaccinated. should we now not wait the sixth months? >> we were discussing that a little bit ago. right now we're going to look at what available data we're having. the israelis are doing it at five months. we're going to try to see the data that we have as fundamentally related but that is certainly being discussed. that is a very good and very appropriate question. >> there was some initial concerns from south africa from their data, but the talk about the variant in children, is there anything that would change your vaccination suggestions for children? >> no, right now i would not change anything. i think we have a task, we have 28 million children from five to 11 that are eligible. we vaccinated over three mill of them. we have to do better than that. right now let's focus on getting those children fully vaccinated before we talk about boosters. >> yeah, i want to shift the focus to the deal ta variant. the seven-day aj for cases is moving in a really bad direction in this country. how worried are you going into the winter? what more can we do other than vaccinate and do something about delta? >> i'm quite concerned, i said that multiple times in our previous discussions. you're dealing with the colder months of the winter, a season with a lot of travel an communal gatherings. i'm not surprised ta we're seeing an increase in the cases now as you mentioned we have over 100,000 on average per day. we have 1,000 or more deaths per day and hospitalizations are going up. vaccination is an extremely effective tool and we still have 60 million people in this country not yet fully vaccinated or vaccinated at all, and we have people that need to be boosted. there is a lot that we can still do. >> doug: -- do to dampen what hooks like's surge. in con gre gate settings, if you don't know their vaccine status, you should be wearing a mask around them. it confirms yet again how effective masks are in preventing trance mission and acquisition. there is a lot of things that we can do. also common sense, public health measures like masks where appropriate. >> i have to tell you that i know you travel, i was just in sweden and lafayette. and in sweden, people were not masked. so travelers have to be concerned. the answer for me was, of course, masking and testing repeatedly since we have been back, but not everyone has that option. >> that is true, there is a great deal of variations in the policies. masking in appropriate places and testing also. we should not under estimate the important of testing. as the weeks go by we're going to get many, many more tests available. many free or reimbursable at the level of the point of care. and that would be an important adjunct. if you want to make sure your symptoms are a cold and not covid, those things should all be imimplemented. >> the president's mandates on vaccinations, there is so much opposition now in even in democratic states, the governor in michigan and other pleases, this is becoming a political test and the outlook like the point system. is there any thought in backing off of that and trying to avoid all of the outcry against it. >> we really have to get people vaccinated. i understand and we all understand how people don't like to be told what to do. they want to make their own choice, their own free will. i get that, i respect that, these are unusual times. and you can't think only of yourself and your own personal opinion, but you have to think about your communal responsibility to get yourself and your family and indirectly then, the community protected. so i would prefer, and we would all prefer, that people be voluntarily getting vaccinated. you have to do thing that's are directed at the communal good. and that's what we're talking about when we talk about requirements. >> it is such an important warning. maybe there would be a better word than mandate, but i don't know what it is, thank you so much. thank you for having me. >> and the senate stalled. the president's build back better plan as congress strikes a deal to avoid a government default. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. 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>> as president biden and jake r sullivan said questioned, these would be a lot difference. they talk about crippling the ability to operate in the financial system. other types of things that would have a direct impact on russia's ability to carry out their economic activities. so i think this is something that putin would not want to get involved in. and i think to press the pause button on what had been an sanctions and increased u.s. troops along the earn and european countries as well as direct military assistance, i knee these are things that they will want to avoid. >> all of the other leaders are saying they're in lock step with the u.s. that germany under their new leader would not back down, would take the pain. do you think they would when the rubber hits the road? >> the signs are that the europeans are more serious than they were in the past. i noted with interest today that according to the russians, french fighter jets were intercepted by russians over the black sea and turned away along with a french refuelling tanker. that is a sign that the french, like the united states, are showing russia they are capable of responding aggressively if the war should happen and should widen. so i think we have more buy in from the allies. so i think that is significant for putin. final point i would make in addition to what director brennan said about the severe economic sanctions is surely they're realizing that an invasion of ukraine would not be a short, quick hybrid war in the grey zone, this would be a real war. i wrote this morning about the possibility of a protracted partisan war against russian forces that are in ukraine and are invinvading. so it is a lot, and i think there could be repercussions at home, and i just, you know, more than putin may have imagined when he began this. >> i noticed that in the column today. it is intriguing because the conventional wisdom is that ukraine, even better armed with the u.s. could not stand up against russia especially with so much influence internally in you crane. and the secretary of state was warning about this yesterday. in line with what you were saying, let me play that for you. >> there are many, many reasons why none of us should want a war. it will be extremely bloody and difficult for ukraine and for russia. >> when you see the true build up, and that it is right on their border, that nato would be at a disadvantage giveen the proximity, what do you think this matchup would look like? 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should they be doing more? is there more they can do? >> that would involve creeping deep into the brain of vladimir putin. something i can't do and have no interest in doing. i think this is ultimately our best shot to prevent what would be a catastrophic mistake by the kremlin. if russia does invade ukraine, that is going to be a years if not decades long counterinsurgency because there is a deep sense of nationalism and patriotism that exists in ukraine right now that will simply not allow the russians to occupy that country unimpeded over the long term. and so this is not in the interests of russia to move forward with a war that will ultimately bring death and destruction to ukraine but also to russians. our best shot, though, as you mentioned is making clear to the russians that there will be absolutely crippling heretofore unseen in american history sanctions on the russian economy and on the political and economical leads that surround putin. so i know that the president communicated that to putin yesterday. it's also important for our allies to stands with us and make a joint signal right now this week to the russians that their economy will be absolutely devastated if they make this move by ukraine. >> i know the secretary of state was just today speaking to the eu president. but do we have to hear from germany's new leader importantly? i know they have been promising nato, but it's a new government as of today? >> well, we certainly need the germans. we need the eu to be united here. i am sure there is some element inside european political circles that believe this is one big bluff from the russians. i've seen the intelligence. this is serious. i think we cannot say whether vladimir putin has made up his mind. you don't move this number of forces to the border of ukraine if there is a very good chance that you are going to engage in a conventional invasion. back to our politics here, we don't have an ambassador to the eu right now. we don't have an ambassador to germany, to france, because they're blocked by ted krez and republicans in the senate. so it is difficult to engage in the diplomacy we need to save ukraine if tony blinken and the president have to do it all themselves some we need to get these ambassadors toulouse. republicans need to stop blocking them or we will be handcuffed to achieve a diplomatic solution. >> you anticipated my question on that very subject. not on this instance, but we don't have nick burns in china yed yet. we have people that haven't had their hearings yet. i've never seen anything like this and what the impact is over there. i can tell you. >> no, that's right. you haven't seen anything like it before because it's never happened before. donald trump's foreign policy was offensive to me both from a moral sensibility and a strategic sensibility. but i never blocked every single one of his nominees, because i believe that it was so important for the united states to have a diplomatic presence abroad. what republicans seem to be prioritizing right now is global chaos. republicans seem to believe that if the world is less stable that will mean joe biden's approval ratings sink and, thus, it becomes the goal of the republican party. it used to be that as a body the senate cared more about the world's stability than we did about the prospects of our own political party. but today's republican party puts their hatred for joe biden ahead of the security of this nation and that is unprecedented and it is deeply deeply terrifying. >> and do you see anyway out before the christmas break? >> i mean the only way out is for the senate to stay in session 24/7 every single day from here to the end of the year to process these nominees. what ted cruz' and republicans are requireing is that we go through this long process available to them under the senate rules on every single nominee the senate has never done that we have always expedited the non-controversial nominees, especially the career public servants. the time that it would take, even if we stayed in session 24/7 would only allow us to process a hand. of these nominees before the ends of the year, there would still be lots of key post vacant, which is why the only real solution is for the republicans in the senate to care about the country, the security of ukraine more than they care about the approval rating or disapproval rating of joe biden. >> thank you so much, senator, chris murphy. we'll be right back. you love. plus, superior nutrition. only eggland's best. ♪♪ is. opening statements today in the closely-watched trial of former minnesota police officer kim potter charged with killing daunte wright, a 20-year-old man during a traffic stop. krad, what do we expect today? >> reporter: right now the defense attorney is giving his option statement and he's rebutting what we heard from much of the morning from the prosecutors. the defense is saying this is about adopt wright's actions, rad he surrendered he would still be alive today. you heard the prosecution saying this is about officer potter betraying public trust and her trade and it's about right and wrong and knowing left from right. officer potter says she was reaching for her taser, instead, fired her weapon. they have first and second degree manslaughter. they carry up to 15 years in police finance she is convicted. andrea. >> thank you so much to you. that does it for us. chuck todd starts right now with mtp daily. >> if it's wednesday, pfizer says it's booster is effective against omicron as the white house faces more pushbacks from congress and the courts to mandate the nations. the president's political and legal struggles, what they mean in a moment. plus new fallout with putin, bind says he warned of severe consequence in russia and ukraine.

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