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Transcripts for MSNBC Andrea Mitchell Reports 20211208 17:51:00

biden tells president putin the u.s. wants strong measures. he repeated that today. joining me is senator chris mur faye and traveled to ukraine six times since entering the senate. senator, do you think that the we have been told at least of the crawl and the threat of sanctions. is it enough to back off vladimir putin? should they be doing more? is there more they can do? that would involve creeping deep into the brain of vladimir putin. something i can t do and have no interest in doing. i think this is ultimately our best shot to prevent what would be a catastrophic mistake by the kremlin. if russia does invade ukraine, that is going to be a years if not decades long counterinsurgency because there is a deep sense of nationalism and patriotism that exists in ukraine right now that will

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Transcripts for MSNBC Andrea Mitchell Reports 20211208 17:30:00

rubber hits the road? the signs are that the europeans are more serious than they were in the past. i noted with interest today that according to the russians, french fighter jets were intercepted by russians over the black sea and turned away along with a french refuelling tanker. that is a sign that the french, like the united states, are showing russia they are capable of responding aggressively if the war should happen and should widen. so i think we have more buy in from the allies. so i think that is significant for putin. final point i would make in addition to what director brennan said about the severe economic sanctions is surely

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Transcripts for MSNBC Andrea Mitchell Reports 20211208 17:52:00

simply not allow the russians to occupy that country unimpeded over the long term. and so this is not in the interests of russia to move forward with a war that will ultimately bring death and destruction to ukraine but also to russians. our best shot, though, as you mentioned is making clear to the russians that there will be absolutely crippling heretofore unseen in american history sanctions on the russian economy and on the political and economical leads that surround putin. so i know that the president communicated that to putin yesterday. it s also important for our allies to stands with us and make a joint signal right now this week to the russians that their economy will be absolutely devastated if they make this move by ukraine. i know the secretary of state was just today speaking to the eu president. but do we have to hear from germany s new leader importantly? i know they have been promising nato, but it s a new government as of today?

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Transcripts for MSNBC Andrea Mitchell Reports 20211208 17:29:00

economic activities. so i think this is something that putin would not want to get involved in. and i think to press the pause button on what had been an sanctions and increased u.s. troops along the earn and european countries as well as direct military assistance, i knee these are things that they will want to avoid. all of the other leaders are saying they re in lock step with the u.s. that germany under their new leader would not back down, would take the pain. do you think they would when the

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Transcripts for MSNBC Andrea Mitchell Reports 20211208 17:22:00

with this next election. and is social media part of the equation? as well as the outrage of january 6th? of course, donald trump was the worst, did the most damage, and unleashed many of these people and certainly aleashed unleashed them during the attempted coup. i was here, they wanted to steal the ballot boxes and keep him as president. that was a very dark day for america. congressman, i know we will be talking again in the year to come. thank you for being with us today, happy holidays to you. thank you, same to you. thank you, the russian threat, the president s warning of sanctions possibly getting putin to back down. possibly ge putin to back down having someone else do your books for you.

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