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investigation and a leading republican. >> this is about our duty as americans. >> defying her party to expose the truth. all return to the capitol for an exclusive prime time conversation, about the riots. >> usa! >> the revelations. and the plan to prevent the next assault on democracy. ♪ now, live from the capitol, this is "january 6th: one year later." >> good evening from the u.s. capitol and welcome to national statuary hall. under siege one year ago from insurrectionists. today, it is a room of reunion for those who defended democracy then and are still trying to defend it today. i'm jake tapper. >> i'm anderson cooper. we are coming to you from historic grounds. this is where rioters tried to overthrow an election. this is also used to be the site of the house of representatives in the scene of another violent attack. in 1814, the british burned this very room and the rest of the capitol down. and it was americans who rebuilt it. from the early to mid-1800s, laws were made in this room. >> in fact, you can see the marker on the floor where abraham lincoln's desk was when he worked as member of the house about a decade before becoming elected president. now this is a showcase for famous figures in american history, such as rosa parks, or the investor of the light bulb and the movie camera, thomas alva edison. just down the hall is the famous capitol rotunda, which sits under the dome, where the nation's most important leaders are honored, including a presidential inauguration and state funerals. at the other end is the entrance to the house chamber, where a year ago, lawmakers were trapped, as rioters tried to force their way in. >> on this january 6th anniversary, lawmakers, their staff and police risked their lives are coming together to speak out on the continued threats that we face as a nation. a couple of our guests are returning to the capitol for the first time since the attack. we're all vaccinated and boosted and in the last 24 hours tested negative for coronavirus. in a moment, house speaker nancy pelosi will be here, but first what we learned from january 6th one year later. since the insurrection one year ago, we've learned more about those who attacked the capitol. >> the cops are getting sprayed. there's a fight right here. >> they included conspiracy theorists -- >> freedom! >> -- white nationalists, and extremists who were armed with weapons and tactical gear. nearly all of them trump supporters. >> what are you going to do? >> whatever we have to do. what do you think 1776 was? >> for the past year, they've been investigated by the fbi, with more than 700 arrested and charged with federal crimes from disorderly conduct to assault with a deadly weapon. but was the assault planned? and if so, by whom? how much did then-president trump and his inner circle know about it? >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. >> i know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the capitol building. >> let's have trial by combat. >> we're going to walk down, and i'll be there with you. >> congress has since created a select committee in the house to inv vestigate the origins of th attack. they've been stonewalled by the former president and his associates. >> if you act deliberately with sneering, cavalier contempt for the american people and their representatives, we will hold you in contempt. >> but the committee continues its work, revealing this week evidence the former president refused to stop the violence as it unfolded. >> the only thing i can say, it's highly unusual for anyone in charge of anything to watch what's going on and do nothing. >> i think that there are a number of potential criminal statutes at issue here. >> one of the biggest questions is what would have happened if attackers found the lawmakers upholding the election, like then-vice president mike pence, who defied the former president by going to the capitol to certify the results. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> or house speaker nancy pelosi, whose office was targeted by the mob. >> can i speak to pelosi? yeah, we're coming [ bleep ]. >> this video shows what it was like for congressional staffers as they hid inside a room in speaker pelosi's office. the rioters tried to break down the door. her staff hid for more than two hours as the attackers ransacked her office. >> i left her a note on her desk that says, nancy, we were here you [ bleep ]. >> the anger of the mob on january 6th hasn't gone away. the former president enabled and emboldened by his former party continues to deny the election results. >> need to have 30,000 guns up here. >> there are fears this could lead to another politically motivated attack on the capitol or beyond. we're joined right now by the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. thank you so much for being with us. one year ago tonight at this moment, 8:00 p.m., you were on the way back here. >> yes. >> and that was important to come back here to finish the nation's business. >> that was very important. first, let me welcome you to the capitol, to statuary hall. >> it's extraordinary. >> which in its early day was the chamber of the house of representatives where abraham lincoln served and others who would become president. >> his desk is right there. >> his desk is right there. welcome to the capitol. yes, at that time, we were on our way back, and the decision -- let me just back up, while this is going on and while our members, and you'll be hearing from some of them, we're very proud of the testimonies they presented today, the members who were in the gallery and on the floor while all this was going on, while this was happening, we were in the undisclosed location and we were fighting to get the national guard. and it was very hard. >> you were on the phone making calls? >> yes. chuck schumer and i, steny hoyer, we were on the phone making calls about this. calling governors to make sure we understood the ready of of their folks to come. one of the assistant secretaries of defense, mccarthy, kept saying, well, it's hard and it takes time, i need to talk to my boss and i haven't had a chance to go see him -- it was really a delay. and then by the time we spoke to the acting secretary of defense, well, we're -- this or that. >> did it make sense to you that they were delaying? >> no, it was inexplicable. made no sense at all. they'd say -- and it is hard to activate the national guard, you have to start early. they said they had the authority here but they didn't have the permission to exercise it. >> is that why you think the january 6th commission is so important, to find out exactly what happened one year ago today here? >> the facts and the whole thing, the setup, what happened before and what happened during. that's very important. and what's happening after. so, it's the before, the during, and the after. but the fact is that the p presence of the national guard earlier would have -- you would have had a different story to tell. >> did you call the white house that day to try to get the national guard? >> we called the authority, which is the department of defense. they had one excuse or another. but that's why we had to try to change the law, so the district of columbia would have its authority to call in the national guard. any state can, but not the district of columbia. anyway, that's one thing we're doing. the other thing is we have to decide, because people were saying, well, we'll just bring busloads of members of congress over to the undisclosed location, and then you can affect -- obey the constitution and do it there. i said, no, no. we're going back. we're going back to the capitol. and that was agreed to in a bipartisan way. chuck will tell you that, as well. so, at 8:00 that night, same time as now, we were on our way -- just about getting here to open up the house. >> there's -- it's been a solemn day. there have been a lot of members of the house, members of the senate who have talked about what went on. we have not heard from a lot of republicans today. what do you make of that? a lot of republicans say, look, the democrats are using this for political purposes, they can't let it go, there are numbers of members in your house who are republican who have said, you know, it wasn't that bad. that it was a day like any other. >> well, let's not spend a whole lot of time on their excuses and whining. the fact is, it was a terrible thing that happened, an assault on the capitol, an assault on the constitution so that we did not arrange for the peaceful transfer of power, an assault on our democracy. they can say whatever they want, but i -- you would have to ask them why they would not want to show up for something that they knew was wrong. >> former vice president cheney was here to hear you speak, with his daughter, liz cheney, who is so important. what did you make of seeing the former vice president here? >> i didn't know he was coming and when i came in to call the house to order, there he was. i looked down and i saw him and i was happy to see him, as you may be aware, dick cheney served in the house of representatives, so, he has floor privileges as a former member of the house. that he would come this day with liz cheney, his, as you know, his daughter, was quite a statement on his part, one that was well received by the rest of us. we had our disagreements, but never a disagreement as to whether everybody was committed to honoring our oath of office, to support and defend the constitution of the united states. >> there are so many republicans that have not taken part in this event today. if we can't agree on what happened here a year ago, if we can't accept norms of behavior, how can we pursue the common good? >> well, we have to pursue the common good, because some of them were perpetrators. some of them were aware and they're in denial, doesn't mean we have to meet them halfway -- no. we are upholding our oath of office to protect and defend. now, we have, over time, our founders anticipated disagreement, they disagreed. and president washington, right from the start, president washington, he brought the constitution to the congress -- that would become the congress, and he said to them, this constitution will enable government to allow for the rigorous debate that would be tempered by the goodwill and good spirit of the american people, in order to let the best angels of our nature prevail. >> that is the genius of our constitution. it's full of compromises but it is also based on the idea that humans are fallible and there are times when we are not going to live up to our ideals and that is why there are checks and balances. >> well, the checks and balances are -- thank you for mentioning that, that's the genius of the constitution. checks and balances. three separate branches of government, coequal branches of government, each a check on the other. if you have a president who disrespects the congress of the united states, the founders even allowed for that. they figured there could be a rogue president and that's where they have impeachment in the constitution. >> but so -- >> they didn't figure they'd have a rogue president and a rogue senate. >> one of the things that we have learned that has come out of the last several years is, how much of our democracy depends, though, on norms of behavior, accepted norms. and people, you know, good people can disagree about things and see things completely differently, but there are just norms of behavior and when you have leaders who are willing to ignore those norms, then our democracy is in real peril. how do you fix that? >> well, first, let me just get back to your other question -- how are we going to work together? we must work together. and a democracy is predicated on the idea that people will have different views. it's not a monarchy where everybody thinks the same. so, we have to reach that place, and in order to do that, there have to be norms. no one is above the law, no matter who he or she is, president of the united states is not above the law. you must respect the law. and that is what they have not done in this case. but in the systems of checks and balances, we have a select committee that will seek the truth. it's not about politics, it's about patriotism. i'm so proud of the courage of the members of the committee. seek the truth. the bible tells us, the truth will set us free. and there will be some people who will never depart from supporting the lie that president trump has told them, but we can't go as that slow a ship. we have to find our common ground. i wish the republicans in the country would take back their party. this is a great party, the grand old party. >> you want there to be a vibrant republican party. >> definitely. >> even though you don't believe what they believe in. >> well, we have a difference of opinion on a spectrum of things, what is the role of government, local or national, whatever that is, but you come to congress with your ideas representing your -- the house of representatives, your job title and your job description are the same. representative. so, you know that you may have confidence in what you believe, but you have humility to recognize others are representing their districts. and for a long time, that's how i served in the congress. some of my best friends were on the other side of the aisle. it didn't interfere, because it wasn't about, are you a patriot, do you believe in our system of government as it is now. >> do you -- there's a lot of americans right now who are very worried about the state of democracy, who are worried about the future for their kids. do you worry about where our democracy is? >> well, let me say this. you always have concerns. you have to be ever vigilant. a democracy is like a horizon. you don't want it to get too far away, you are always reaching for it to improve it and the rest. but the fact is, this is the united states of america. this is this great country. it has resilience. it has strength in its institutions. it can -- it survived a civil war, it can survive the previous president of the united states. >> "the wall street journal" editorial board said yesterday that democracy isn't dying. do you agree with that, it's not dying? >> no, it isn't dying. but it needs attention. and everything is an opportunity. right now, i see us having an opportunity where this horrible thing, a catastrophic attack on the capitol, where democracy -- they almost overturned an election. >> there were rioters running through here, trying to get to the house just right over there. >> that's right. >> to get into the house chamber, which they weren't able to. >> they were in my office, which is right there. >> what would have happened? >> they said they were going to shoot me in the brain -- in the brain, i don't know, but i wasn't worried about myself. i was worried about our other members of whom i'm very proud. i was worried about the police, the capitol police, the metropolitan police, we owe them so much. they saved our lives. we have to worry about the maintenance people who make things happen here, how they were mistreated by those people. it caused great trauma for people. >> when you talk about democracy isn't dying, talk about -- or, if you believe the nature of the threat moving forward i mean, the next election, the election after that, you know, this last election, there were a few state election officials who -- republicans who chose not to follow the president's lead and actually follow the constitution and do their jobs. had they not, it's very -- it could have gone a different way. >> well, had they gotten these boxes, you see, they are bringing the boxes in, which had the certificates from the states, that's what they were trying to get, to destroy and then they had this plan that they thought would work, it wouldn't. but the fact is that we have legislation in the senate now, which we hope they will send back to the house with their amendments, that we can pass, to protect our democracy. the sanctity of the vote. to stop their nullification of elections. not only do they want to suppress the vote, they want to nullify the results. and they are appointing certain people who make a judgment as to who really won the election, rather than the numbers speaking for themselves. so, we have to stop that. and you would think that there would be enough people in the republican party to do so and there were in this case. some of the judges were appointed by trump. some of the elected officials, the election officials were trumpites, but they honored their oath of office. >> what about securing the capitol itself? changes have been implemented. are they enough to ensure that what happened in this incredible building a year ago can't happen again? >> yes. but more needs to be done, because we need more resources, the senate cut some of the funding that we sent over from the house. so, let's take that in three parts. one is the physical structure of the building. we have resources here for the architect of the capitol to more -- physically make the capitol more sturdy so that people cannot break in that way. second is the personnel, the capitol police, the morale, the numbers, the intelligence divisions and the rest. that has all moved way down the line. more needs to be done. and one of the reasons that it's not as easy as it could be, because covid. because these police have to be trained and the training academies have to be open to do that for a number of weeks and then they come back here and get further training. so while they have enthusiastic people who want to sign up, there's still a delay because of covid. and so, when you come to the capitol, people say, oh, when are they going to open this up, oh, the security issues -- it's mostly covid that's kept us shut down. >> there's a statue here, i want to show it to our viewers. it was created in 1814, cleo, the muse of history, recording events. she bore witness to the attack. how do you think she would look at this chapter in american democracy? >> with tears in her eyes. i'll call this an episode in our democracy. every time we have a new class of members, i bring them here, we have dinner, this or that, and we talk about cleo, that she is recording everything that she sees. c cleo, the muse of history. in fact, the president referenced her this morning beautifully, because we feel very possessive of cleo. and so seeing that had to bring tears to her eyes, because for all of the divisions we have had in our country, we never had a confederate flag walking through here. we never had the kind of disrespect, deaf case and all of the rest of it with who came through here at the wish of the former president of the united states. so, i think that cleo, not only cleo, but lincoln, whose desk was right over there, rosa parks, who is looking at us from over here, she wanted to be seated, she told me that in her st statue, she wanted her to be seated, as she was seated on the bus. and so many other heroes. some of these people have to go and we have a bill to get rid of them, but nonetheless, some of the newer people, we are very proud to have in the capitol with more diversity, shall we say. and shall we say consistency as to -- >> you remain optimistic, though, about -- >> always. no, you have to be optimistic, but you cannot be, as president obama said, being hopeful doesn't mean being, shall we say, what did he say about it, almost negligent in your optimism. you have to -- you have to work at it. democracy is always a work in progress. and this great country, with the vision of our founders, which was remarkable in its day and continues to be a great legacy for the world, our founders, those who have fought to defend our freedom, the example that we are to the world, there is great strength in all of that. and again, i can't say it enough, i have confidence in the american people. the american people have goodness about them. they love our country. there are disagreements, but by and large, i have faith in the patriotism of the american people, i have confidence in the young people who care about the planet. even larger than our country, they care about the planet, they care about personal issues that relate to their freedom and the rest, and we want to show them a path as to how they think personally, act locally for a global purpose. >> hope is not blind optimism was the line. >> is that what he said? it was something about optimism not being -- >> speaker pelosi, i appreciate your time tonight. >> my pleasure, thank you. >> we're going to continue the conversation next with the heroes of the insurrection, the police who risked their lives to defend the capitol and democracy. the pain they still feel and the concerns they have about another possible attack. live from the capitol, this is "january 6th: one year later." 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about 140 officers were assaulted by rioters during their deadly rampage. four of those heroes are joining us tonight. but first, let's take a quick look at what they went through. on january 6th, the capitol hill police officers were the first line of defense. >> we fought hand to hand, inch by inch to prevent an invasion of the capitol. >> during the three-hour standoff, officers were assaulted while trying to prevent rioters from breaching the capitol. >> man in front of me grabbed my baton that i still held in my hands -- help! he bashed me in the head and face with it. i did the only thing that i could do and scream for help. >> i heard chanting from some in the crowd, "get his gun" and "kill him with his own gun." i was electrocuted again and again and again. i'm sure i was screaming, but i don't think i could even hear my own voice. >> stop the steal! >> officers inside raced to protect members of congress. officer eugene goodman directed senator mitt romney away from the advancing mob and then led them away from the senate chamber. >> watch out, watch it! >> officer brian sick nick died after he was attacked by the mob that day. others are still dealing with physical and psychological they experienced. >> no one had ever, ever called me a [ bleep ] while wearing the uniform of a capitol police officer. how the blank could something like this happen? is this america? >> and joining us now are four of the heroes from the u.s. capitol police. daniel hodges and former officer michael fanone. always joining us, harry dunn from the u.s. capitol police, he's joining us this evening remotely. michael let me start with you, as you mentioned in that clip, you were brutalized, you were electrocuted, you were tased, beaten, you suffered a heart attack. this is kind of an act ward question to ask, but are you even supposed to be here? are you surprised that you're here? >> um -- i -- i'm not surprised. i'm, you know, like the other officers that were there that day, they were tough, steadfast, resilient, we held the line. >> you did indeed. you did. is it tough to watch that video? it's tough for me and i wasn't here. >> i've seen it so many times. i have a difficult time now, i think -- it doesn't draw any personal emotion about, like, the experience that i went through, but it does make me angry that here we are a year out, and we have not attained the accountability that i would have expected. >> sergeant gonell, you're still not back to work full-time because of your extensive injuries. at one time, officer fanon took your place in the capitol doorway so you could get water and reinforcements. do you sometimes think of what might have happened if he had not been there? >> yes, i definitely -- i told him this morning when i saw him that -- i didn't tell him that before, that at that time, i didn't know that was him relieving me, to go back for a bathroom break. and by the time i went to the bathroom and came back out, he was already out, being dragged. so i feel guilty sometimes that, had i stayed there, besides my own injuries, i would have gone through whatever he went through. so it's tough for me. a lot of people continue to say that i self-inflicted my injuries. for, like -- come on, i wanted to get hurt that day? that's very cynical of them to mention that -- >> disgusting for anybody to say anything like that. >> definitely. >> officer hodges, rioters attacked you with your own weapon, some tried to gouge out your eye. you were called a traitor. i mean, what is that like to hear? you're protecting the u.s. capitol from an angry mob and a fellow american calls you a traitor? >> yeah. it's hard to wrap your head around it, but these people, they're capable of incredible mental gymnastics in order to believe what they want to believe at that exact moment. they can accomplish great cognitive dissonance in order to justify their actions no matter how ridiculous it is. obviously, you know, we protected the capitol, we protected congress, so calling us a traitor is absurd, especially when they're the ones laying siege to the capitol of the united states of america. >> well, more than that, right? you weren't just protecting the capitol and members of congress. you were actually protecting the democratic process. the exact opposite of a try or the. >> yes. >> absolutely. >> i mean, that's -- that's the whole point of this, isn't it? this is a republic. it's a republic, if you can keep it, and we kept it, so i don't -- i don't know why they would call us a traitor. >> and officer dunn, despite the horrors that officers went through, nearly every armed officer on january 6th except for one held their fire. do you ever think about that? and wonder how much worse it could have been? i mean, you were being attacked by people with weapons, there's this lie out there my maga media that everybody was unarmed, that's just a complete and utter lie, people were armed with all sorts of weapons, including firearms. what kept you and other officers from firing your weapons? in self-defense? >> well, first of all, i have to acknowledge that it's an honor to be here right now. i would be very remiss if i didn't acknowledge my unit that i work with, the first responders unit, led by inspector lloyd. you're hearing four individual stories right now, but as you see in the videos, it's way more than four officers out there. so kudos to the men and women at the u.s. capitol police and also to the men and women of the metropolitan police department. but as far as, you know, using lethal force and everything, i think everybody was just focused on survival and getting home and protecting each other and fulfilling our mission, which is protect members and staff so that they are able to fulfill their congressional responsibilities. as ugly as the day was, at the end of the night, 2:00, 3:00 in the morning, like the speaker just said, they came back to the capitol and certified the election. so we succeeded in that capacity, as ugly as it was. so i'm really proud of that and the men and women that i work with. >> officer fanone, shortly after the attack, house republican leader kevin mccarthy blamed trump for the mob. he has since backed off that and tried to exonerate trump and he's part of the whitewash bre gads, but we heard similar lines from joe biden today, his strongest comments yet, blaming donald trump for what happened. do you blame donald trump? >> absolutely. donald trump and his administration are responsible for inciting the insurrection and the attack on the capitol. and our democratic process, and in a lot of ways, inciting a cultural war that we're still battling today in america. >> officer dunn, what did it mean for you to hear the president say today? >> i think the president spoke a very good speech. i'm very fact-based, truth-oriented and i appreciate him telling the truth. i wish it would have came a little bit sooner, but i'm very glad that he did speak the truth, because i think that's honestly all americans should care about is the truth and nobody's opinions. lay out the facts about what happened. and that's your opinion. and if somebody starts disagreeing with facts, proceed accordingly with that person. but i was appreciative of the fact-based speech that he gave. >> sergeant gonnel, you say before the attack, you went to your superiors and warned them that i thought something was coming, something bad. are you angry those concerns went unanswered and have there been changes to the capitol grounds and personnel to prevent anything like that from happening again? >> at that time, the concerns that i had, i sent it up the chain of command. where they stopped, i'm not sure where, but the way things have been addressed, being assured that certain things that have been made better. we still have a lot of work to do. i hope that this -- the planning, the logistics of protecting the capitol improve or has improved, but there are things that have not. i just walked this morning from the same entrance where i almost lost my life and them as well, and the only thing that had changed is the glass on that door. the door has still not been reinforced. i wish they have. it's been almost a year now. i think a lot of officers, if they see a lot of reinforcement of the building, that will give them a lot of sense of protection that things will improve and that will help with morale, it will help with retaining officers as well. >> officer fanone, do you agree? what changes still need to be made? >> i mean, i think the most important change that needs to be made specifically inside the united states capitol police, they need to change the leadership culture within the department. and that's something that starts at the top, at the executive level. the failures of the u.s. capitol police's command staff on january 6th are outrageous. and they still have yet to be addressed. there are members of their command staff that do not belong in a position of leadership. they should not be responsible for officers' lives. they failed them on january 6th and it's time that they found a different career path. >> officer hodges, everyone at the capitol that day, especially law enforcement officials, law enforcement officers, went through emotional trauma. you couldn't not. you're back at work. are you and your fellow officers, are you getting the support you need, the emotional support you need, whether professional or just institutionally? >> yeah. the metropolitan police department has psychiatric help for anyone who needs it and it's free of charge. so anyone who feels like they need it is free to go and get the help they need from them. we haven't really done a lot of talking about it amongst ourselves, honestly, but i get the impression that everyone is doing pretty well mentally. >> sergeant gonnel, one of the biggest challenges facing the capitol police is the large spike in threats against lawmakers. how have those threats changed since january 6th a year ago, if they have, and are you still able -- is your force still able to keep lawmakers safe? >> we are. we have made a lot of improvements. however, because of the same work environment that we live in and the -- some of the members themselves are bringing up these threats to us, to the building itself, because the way they talk about on january 6th, the way they refer to what january 6th is, a tragic event in our history, to the capitol, to the officers themselves and to themselves, on january 6th, those same members were running for their lives. those same members were helping barricade the chamber across the hall. and now a year later, they continue to propagate the lie that it was a tour. it wasn't. i had never been in a tour that people get beat up on any monument around the world. >> the whitewashing and the lies surrounding it are so offensive. on that subject, officer dunn, you went and personally begged for ten republican senators to support the independent commission that the house was trying to pass, to investigate the attack. an independent commission, free of lawmakers, bipartisan. but even after everything that happened, you couldn't get senators to vote for it. you still go to work and protect these lawmakers every day. what do you say to them? >> so -- i also -- i want to go back to officer hodges' response. what's up, danny? good to see you, buddy. the people healing and a lot of people suffer in silence. he said a lot of people don't really talk about it. i believe a lot of individuals are suffering in silence. there's so many different -- people cope differently, but i encourage people to get they ary and to talk, it is very helpful. people probably are tired of seeing my face on the tv. you know what, it's therapeutic for me, it helps to talk about what i've been through. my story is one of hundreds of that day, and i'm just willing to tell it. as far as lobbying for the commission, you know, i don't even know how that works, i just know that i want the truth to come out, i want the facts to come out. and i believe that every reasonable person in this country should want the facts. a lot of people are saying politics have been bogging down this investigation and that's why it's so divided. you cannot deny the cause of january 6th was political, so how can you say that we're making it political? we're -- the whole incident of january 6th, the insurrection, was political, and it was politically motivated, so -- politics wasn't inflicted in it during the investigation. it was because of politics that january 6th happened. as far as coming to work and doing my job, i'm very proud, i'm honored to be a cop apitol l police officer. i don't look at it as a member or person that i'm protecting, my job is to protect that seat that that person occupies. that seat represents more than just one person, it represents the thousands, sometimes the millions of people who voted to put that member in that seat, so, i just got to look at the bigger picture and just go on from there. >> amen to that. let me just say that while others in other channels and other parts of the country, people might besmirch you and your colleagues that hold the line that day, every one of you is a hero, and you stood up not just to protect people, you stood up for democracy. you did, of course, save lives of people serving in that building today, but you also served the republic. thank you for everything you did. it was an incredible act of bravery and it's not forgotten. i would also like to take moment, if i can, to recognize some of your colleagues who died in the wake of the attacks. u.s. capitol police officer brian sicknick suffered strokes and died the day after the attack. four other officers who struggled with the trauma of what happened that day later died by suicide including capitol police officer howard levingood, gunther ashida and kyle defratak. officer sicknik's parents, gladys 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stay down. >> reporter: dozens were stuck in the gallery above. some praying for their lives. >> we're being instructed to each of us get gas masks. >> they'll let us know when we need to put the masks on. >> take your pins off. >> shots are being fired inside the capitol chamber. >> reporter: trapped lawmakers say they waited more than 15 minutes before they could evacuate. during that time, they turned to each other for comfort. >> here with me, six members who were trapped in the house chamber on january 6th. congresswoman susan wild, congressman jason crow, congressman ruben gallego, congresswoman lisa blunt rochester. thank you all for being with us. what is it like to see that video even though it's a year later? >> it's bizarre. i actually don't remember much of what happened. it's fragmented memories for me. so seeing that little clip just now really struck me. it was -- i remember jason being there. but i don't remember a lot of specifics. >> congressman crow, we saw you reaching out to help. what was that like for you? you have been -- you served in the military, you've been in iraq and afghanistan. you've been in kinetic, violent situations. >> anderson, it was surreal. one of the things i never thought would happen was my old life, my prior life as a ranger, having been at war, that was a life i thought i had left behind a long time ago. i was a different person then, that was before i was a father, before i was a member of congress. you have a certain mindset, a certain mentality when you're doing that work, going to wartime and time again. i had moved past that. and on january 6th of last year, a lot of that came back to me. in my prior life, integrated with my present life. i didn't quite know how to handle that. it's still something i'm processing to this day. it was a very surreal feeling. at the same time, i'm glad that i had some of that skill set to draw upon because i just took my emotion, put it in a box and set it aside. >> was that you saying take your pins off? >> i think several people said take your pins off, i said it at one point, others repeated it. what was going through my mind and others, if that mob made it through that door and broke down that barricade, they were coming for us. i had to figure out how to make ourselves less identifiable. so we could try to get through the mob, if we could. >> that's one of those details, congressman escobar, that shocks me to this day, members of congress having to take off the pin that identifies them as a member of congress because they're afraid the mob will kill them if they can identify them. >> right, and those of us that are women of color, people of color, you can take your pin off but you can't take the color of your skin off. and it was a mob. it was a group of terrorists that were fueled by white supremacy. and so we knew that a lot of what was unsettling to them was the browning of america, was the fact that so many people turned out to vote in places like georgia, african americans, latinos, and others. while it might be easier for someone to shed their identity a bit with a pin, it's not so easy for those of white house are people of color. >> congresswoman blunt rochester, we saw you in the video, i think you were praying. i understand it started off softly and then you were testifying. >> first of all, anderson, i want to comment on the last question about the pin. it was a pivotal moment, even thinking about as a woman of color, as a black woman, i had to think twice about do i take it off or do i keep it on. if i take it off, will the people who are trying to protect me not recognize it? if i keep it on, will i be attacked? what i ended up doing was holding it in my hand so that i could easily show it if i needed to. and those kind of decisions, you know, are things that, you know, sometimes people don't think about. >> i mean, that's an incredible juxtaposition of do i keep the pin because maybe somebody won't recognize me as a member of congress if i'm not wearing it. >> right. and to your question about praying, you know, for me, i was in that gallery, those of us who were up there, we volunteered to go up there to witness the peaceful transfer of power, to witness the certification of this presidency. and for me coming from delaware, to see joe biden, first delawarian, as well as kamala harris, the first woman of color, the first woman. when it all broke out, i just remember, figure it out, how do we get out of here, how do you open this, how do you get around this room. and so by the time we made it through, all the way to the other side of the chamber, i looked down and saw the guns, and i realized, i don't have anything to protect me but god. i realized i could call my family, i just texted them and said, pray. and people around the country have said to me, when you got down on your knees and prayed, we got down on our knees. families across the country. >> i can hear the emotion in your voice. and we just met, but i can hear even one year later. >> yeah, and i think for all of us, we've been together all day doing different things, trying to support the police, the staff here. and we just don't want people to forget how close we came to losing our democracy. if a number of us had died, we wouldn't have been able to go back in and vote to certify that election. that's how serious it was. >> it's interesting what you said, because you ended the sentence differently than a lot of people would have ended the sentence. a lot of people would have ended the sentence, how closely we came to being killed. you said, how close we came to essentially democracy being killed, because that's really what -- >> matters. >> do you feel the same way? >> i do. one of the points we've been talking about this day, january 6th was a terrible day for our country, but january 6th was the manifestation, one manifestation of a much deeper problem that continues to this day. what we saw was an attack on our democracy because as veronica said, there are people in this country that don't like the fact that this country is beginning to have a government that looks like more like the people. they've become accustomed to having their own way and they want to continue that. and so while january 6th was a violent manifestation of that phenomenon, every single day, every one of us are dealing with it in other forms. we're seeing it happen in states legislatures and county offices. we have a whole raft of people running for office with the very explicit intent of ensuring that the next time that this happens, that they will have the tools to see it all the way through. they're becoming much more sophisticated. >> i want to talk about the threats to democracy, but just -- i understand that -- i've read that you all kind of have a -- i don't know if it's a whatsapp group or you all have a kind of a message chain, all of those who were in the gallery that day. >> we have a signal thread. >> we're the gallery group. >> it's the gallery group. there is a camaraderie, having lived through this horrific experience. >> sheer trauma. >> from that very day, we've been connected to one another by this shared experience. we all experienced it, the country did, the whole congress did. but for some of us that actually looked at one another wondering if these were the last faces we would see, we can't shake that. and we have found i think a great deal of strength by talking to one another about this experience that nobody else had. and in fact, i've been quite open about the fact that this event was so traumatic that it caused me to seek help after, in just the weeks after the attack. and for some of us, we've gathered together to sort of jointly address those issues, mental health issues. >> how far have we come in this country that we're able to say i needed help. representative gallego, you served in iraq. i understand this day, a year ago, you were thinking about your -- you took out your pen, you were thinking -- and i think, congressman crow, you did as well, thinking that's all i have as a possible means of defense. >> look, i mean, honestly, looking at the situation, i thought we were about to get overrun. and, you know, we have a lot of different members of congress, different ages. when you're dealing with a mob, and i'm sure crow has the same experience, i had riot control training, the mob has a scary hive mind, they can come and bowl you over. i was worried they were going to come in and start slaughtering us. i talked to a couple of other members, colin allred, eric swalwell, kim jeffries, i started talking to them about getting weapons. i wasn't sure what we could do but i wanted to hold off whatever was coming through that door long enough for us to get rescued, long enough for us to at least be able to break out of there. the hardest part was really dealing with some of the younger staffers, seeing these young staffers crying and being scared, it just reminded me a lot of the young men i served with in iraq. and it made me want to be helpful and be protective at that point because there was really no other option. and, you know, luckily i had a lot of great members there with me that were going to be helping me out. crow and i were sending each other arm signals like the good old days. it had to be done. a lot of us were willing to go to the final measure if we had to. >> to hear people that you serve with now for political reasons saying, it wasn't a big deal what happened here, it was like a regular tourist visit, they were walking through this statuary hall, between -- it wasn't that big a deal. what is that like? >> so i remember being up in the gallery and looking down and seeing them rushing off the floor. >> those very people. >> those very people who now are claiming it was no big deal. and those of us who were up in the gallery essentially trapped, seeing them literally flood off the floor, and then to just a day or two later, hear them diminish the experience, was surreal. and still is surreal. >> the fear, the fear in their eyes and their faces then, is illustrative, because it's still fear that drives them. >> even now. >> they are fearful, afraid people. they were then and they are now. now they're afraid of donald trump. >> they are. and the very logic that has them now denying the magnitude of what took place, pretending that it wasn't real, first of all, we were there. nobody can tell us what did and did not happen. we experienced it in real time. we know. but the logic that they're using to try to minimize, downplay this terrible day in american history is the same logic that they used to accommodate the lie that was the necessary predicate for the attack in the first place. >> the big lie, the election lie. >> the big lie. these people, people we have to look at every day, put their own election ahead of the interests of this country and the interests of some of us and our lives, our personal safety. they were so focused on having some kind of advantage in some november election that they were willing to sacrifice the country, this beautiful temple which is a symbol of democracy, a symbol of the principles this country is founded on, was desecrated by people who thought they could trade that for a few whipped-up extra votes for some november election. shame on them. >> i heard somebody say "coward." >> they're political cowards, moral cowards. i was on the floor, not in the gallery, because arizona was being contested. myself and a couple of members of congress, we walked right up to our republican colleagues and told them, this is over, ended, the country is hurting, we just saw the country cry and the world just be astonished by what just happened, this is no longer a game, let's join together and just end this. and they told me point blank, we have to keep going, we have to contest pennsylvania too. like, why? why? because trump wants it. >> it could have been a turning point. >> it could have been a turning point. >> and it should have been a turning point. and it wasn't. and that's why many of us, you know, the gallery group especially, all of us who were there. there is this incredible obligation we feel to continue to tell the story of what happened that day, to continue to sound the alarm, but also to fight like hell for what we need to do to save our democracy, because those very same people are still in power. and those same people will probably be reelected and even more extreme people could be elected. we know that future elections could be overturned based on what state legislatures are doing in states like mine, in texas and others. and so the risk is really significant. >> while we're better off as a country because we have an adult who's president, in many ways things are worse now than a year ago. >> how so? >> in the sense that the country now believes somehow -- many in the country, not everybody, but at least some number of people in this country believe that truth and falsehood are equal sides of an argument. we can have an argument, we have plenty of good arguments in this place about the policy direction we should go, about the big issues we face as a country. but we've now devolved to a point, and it's worse now than it was then, that fact and confection are seen as opposite sides of an argument. we need to be sure we have facts in circulation, so at least if we have differences, it's based on some modicum of fact. >> it's more than just fact. millions of americans have been radicalized. when we talk about how to begin to debate facts again, for me the fundamental question is how do we deradicalize millions of americans? >> for people who have been in combat, for you two who have seen what civil wars look like up close, who have seen what looks like -- what it looks like up close when there are the tribalization of countries, the polarization. there's a lot of people who throw around the term "civil war" and some on podcasts seem to relish the idea of the destruction of society. you both have seen up close from the window of a hum-vee and out on the streets, what happens when a society collapses. the very people who are kind of promoting that here on podcasts right now and, you know, other networks, who probably have not done service and have not seen it for themselves, they will be swept up in it and destroyed as well as everybody else. i mean, that is not anything anybody should even talk about or wish ever to think about. >> absolutely not. >> i grew up, anderson, just with this notion that democracy in america was inevitable, that it would self perpetuate, that it would always be that way, that the challenges we face as a nation, we would export it, grow democracy worldwide. now not only is there a recession worldwide, but we're seeing it in america too. nothing is inevitable, nothing can be taken for granted. a lot of same challenges of tribalism and division that i saw overseas, i see that starting to grow here. to be clear, i don't think democracy is dead, i think it's far from it. i think the vast majority of americans do not want any part of this extremism, this division, this tribalism. but what usually happens in cases like this is there is an extreme minority that can cause tremendous disruption to a system. and in historical examples, it's extreme minorities that can actually take over and ruin democracy. so i would much rather be having this conversation now and getting out ahead of it than when it's too late. i don't think it's too late. i think we have an opportunity. >> i would say, and it's not just my experience seeing what happened in iraq, just being the son of immigrants, i know the stories and have heard the stories of what happened in latin america where there wasn't a transfer of power. it's frightening to think that almost happened here. i joined the marine corps to serve my country because i loved it so much. i gained the inheritance of democracy. and it was almost at stake at january 6th. i agree with representative crow, we have a chance to save democracy but we have to take it serious. what happened that day was a serious thing and there are serious threats to it. the best of america can stop the worst of america. but we have to accept what occurred was an actual threat upon our country. >> at the same time i think it's really important that we not accept defeat, that we think about the inherent goodness of people, that we think about the fact that truly a majority of people in this country are good people who want to see our democracy thrive. >> that's the thing about one of the horrors of the big election lie, is that the last election was actually a remarkable victory for democracy. >> exactly. >> and more young people than ever voted. >> and for republicans, they did very well at the ballot box. the president didn't win, but they gained seats in the house. and people came out in the midst of a pandemic, more people voting than ever before. >> exactly. i mean, i think that for me gives me hope, to see the level of participation. young people who said to me, i care about this planet, i care about criminal justice reform, i care about jobs. people came out and for us, again, the story here is, you know, we talk about democracy and why it's so important. but a lot of times, right now people are dealing with covid. they're dealing with their uncle on heroin or opioids. they're dealing with real serious issues. i know racism and sexism, i'm right behind -- you know, i got right behind me, you know -- >> you got rosa parks. >> right behind me. >> you've got huey long over there. >> exactly. i know that, but i also know that what they have been able to tap into are a whole lot of pains that we feel. and i think as a country, if we don't face that, we don't face these underlying things, we can't reach the heights that we want. >> if i could just ask you about the scarf that you are hold onto. i know it has significance for you. explain it. >> the day that i was sworn in, i came in at the same time, 2016 i was elected, and i said to my sister, i've got to wear something special, i'm the first woman to represent delaware, first person of color. and so she found a record of the returns of qualified voters and reconstruction oath. and it's from 1867. at the bottom is an "x." our great-great-great-grandfather, who was a slave, marked this "x" to have the right to vote. i carried it on the day i was sworn in as my proof that we've been through slavery, we've been through reconstruction, we've been through jim crow. and i carry it as my inspiration of what is left to do. we can't give up. we cannot give up. and we will not give up. >> do you think that the man who made that "x" could have ever imagined that you would be sitting here in this extraordinary hall? >> i don't know if i could have imagined it. and i think we've got to hold on to that. i want people to know, i decided to run, having never run for anything in my life. over the age of 50, as a widow, i decided on the anniversary of my husband's death, because i saw a father and three kids in a supermarket putting back grapes because they were $9. that's the pain. my city was being called murder town usa. that's the pain. that's why we're here. that's what democracy is about. it is about media, being able to talk and not get murdered for speaking out. that's what democracy is about. >> you know, we're in statuary hall. jon meacham made a very important point this morning. we have to be clear about this. some of our republican colleagues have stood tall. but for many of them, jon asked this question, he was talking about portraits, every one of these statues are people who are known for something. a hundred years from now, our colleagues are going to have to face the reality that they're going to be known for something. do they want to be known as people who put their own individual interests ahead of something much bigger and something much greater than that? and i think if we're going to find a way to appeal to enough of those folks, to put this down, it's going to have to be the long view of history put in front of them, and ask them that really tough question. i don't think right now they have a good answer for it. >> i understand why the gallery group has stayed in touch and communicates with each other, because you all are great support for each other, and obviously doing -- >> i just hope the rest of the country can find the solidarity that this group has found. there has been a real solidarity that has come about as a result of january 6th. that's the silver lining, i suppose. and that's what we need to find for this country. up next, a -- thank you all for being with us, i appreciate it. a republican punished for seeking the truth about the insurrection. we'll talk with representative liz cheney, along with democratic chair of the january 6th committee bennie thompson. 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republicans in the chamber during that moment of silence. talk about the importance of him being there with you. obviously as former vice president, he was president of the senate at one point. obviously there was more than that. >> well, he has such tremendous love for the institution of the house. and obviously it's something that we've shared. and he's also been so troubled, watching what's unfolded, certainly watching the attack last year. and he really wanted to be here today. he wanted to be here to pay his respects. he wanted to be here to commemorate the grave nature of what happened. and really to help to remind people of the ongoing threat. >> chairman thompson, you were in the house chamber when the attack took place. how does that experience guide your leadership of the committee? >> well, there's no question, jake, that we have to get it right. never in my wildest dreams as a member of congress would i have envisioned our capitol being under attack, for any reason. we're the citadel of democracy. and so that day was very troubling for me, it continues to cause me concern, because liz and i and other members of the committee, we have to get this work right. it's our democracy that's at risk more than anything else. it's not about democrat or republican. >> and yet you were the only house republican in the chamber this morning during the moment of silence. i know congressman kinzinger would have been there but he's on baby standby in the chicago area, he says he would have been there. this has not been easy for you as a republican, a very conservative republican, more conservative than all the house republican leaders, according to voting records. what was the moment, if there was one, when you said i just have to do what's right and i don't care about the politics? >> well, i think it really, you know, began, watching president trump in the aftermath of the election last year, in 2020, and the extent to which after he had exhausted all of his legal challenges, he ignored the rulings of the courts and continued beyond december 14th. and of course because of the work we're doing on the committee now, we know the extent to which he was working to pressure the justice department, to pressure state officials. and then of course january 6th itself was a line you just can't cross. and so leading on from that, i think that there's never been a situation where you've had a president engaged in a more serious violation of his oath of office, of his duty to the constitution. and to me that's just very clear, that the security of the republic depends on, as the chairman said, we have to get this right and we have to put this above politics. >> as you note, so many of your colleagues were part of the problem. not a majority of your colleagues, necessarily -- well, depending on how you look at their votes or signing on to the amicus brief from texas. but on january 6th, when congressman jim jordan, republican of ohio, who may go on to become speaker some day, he tried to help you to safety, not that you needed it, and you smacked his hand away and said, "get away from me, you effing did this," although you didn't say "eff." what do you say to them? >> i say that's how democracies die. if you have members of political parties who ignore an attack, we've never before been in a situation where the president himself provoked a violent assault on this capitol building. when you sit in statuary hall, you realize how sacred this place is. any american who would enable or look the other way or dismiss what happened or refuse to do their duty to get to the bottom of it i think is failing to live up to their oath of office and to their duties as a citizen of this great nation. >> chairman thompson, the justice department has charged more than 700 of the insurrectionists with various crimes. 30 have been sentenced, i believe, to prison. there are a lot of people in your party, congressman gallego, for instance, who was just here moments ago, who think the justice department is not doing enough, not moving quickly enough, and none of the organizers have been charged, none of the people that organized the buses and the planes of people coming here to do what ended up happening. what do you say to that? >> well, i would say part of our investigation, we're looking into the organizers, the financiers, as well as some of the security people around january 6th. that's part of our body of work. we're not coordinating what we do with the justice department. two independent investigations. but jake, the real dilemma is this insurrection played out in full view. it wasn't like someone doing a movie or telling you a story about their experiences. the majority of people in this country saw january 6th for themselves. they saw people fighting law enforcement. they saw windows being broken. this is not who we are as a country. i'm from a part of the united states where my government helped people who looked like me register to vote and run for office. we have always looked to our government as the backdrop for any issue that's going on in this country. and so here we are, at this moment, asking through our committee to help get this right. we can't afford to have disputes settled like january 6th. we are a better country than that. >> and vice chairman cheney, you talked about president trump's culpability. we heard from stephanie grisham who was the white house communications director, and she testified before your committee or had a conversation with people on your committee talking about, she wasn't there at the time but she had close friends at the white house, how then-president trump was sitting in the dining room off the oval office and watching what was going on and gleeful was the word used, rewinding, watching more, watching more. you have said that donald trump committed a, quote, supreme dereliction of duty. dereliction of duty is a crime. i don't know if you mean it that way or if you mean it more conceptually. how do you mean it when you say donald trump is guilty of dereliction of duty? >> i think as a first course, it's absolutely clear, we know from firsthand testimony that he watched television while the attack was under way. we watched the attack happen on television. we know that he did not walk the very few steps to the white house briefing room, get on camera immediately, and tell the people to stop and go home. >> as people were begging him to do, including ivanka trump. >> right. so, you know, the president of the united states is responsible for ensuring that the laws are faithfully executed. he is responsible for the security of the other branches. so for a president to, through either his action or his inaction, for example, attempt to impede or obstruct the counting of electoral votes, which is an official proceeding of congress, is -- you know, the committee is looking at that, looking at whether what he did constitutes that kind of a crime. but certainly it's dereliction of duty. imagine, jake, if president eisenhower had summoned a mob to washington and told them to march on the supreme court when they were hearing arguments in brown v. board of education. and imagine if he sat and watched them invade the supreme court and didn't do anything to stop it. we couldn't imagine that, you know, an honorable man like dwight eisenhower would do something like that. yet that's almost exactly what donald trump did. and i think it's important for the american people to understand how serious that is and for us to get to the bottom of it. >> chairman thompson, you've been investigating this now for several months. i know you're not going to get ahead of your interim report and then your final report. but some people think this was a spontaneous event. some people say it was planned, strategized, a conspiracy to create what happened. at this point, can you say whether it was one, the other, or both? >> well, i can say that our report will be accurate. i can tell you that the facts will be able to substantiate. i can tell you that the body of work will be thorough, and that the public will have an opportunity to review it. we won't take sides. we'll do it, the facts and circumstances around january 6th, we'll look at it. but we have to make some recommendations to, to make sure that something like january 6th never, ever happens again. this was traumatic. i'm troubled by the fact that a year later, some of my colleagues here in washington are giving this notion that somehow that wasn't really a big deal. i just say, look at the film for yourself. people climbing the walls, people trying to find the vice president and hang him, people trying to find speaker pelosi and kill her, and gallows being erected on the lawn of the united states capitol. this is not who we are. and so as someone who take democracy very serious, i want to get it right. every other member of the committee wants to get it right. and i assure you, our report will do just that. >> congresswoman cheney, you just mentioned dwight eisenhower who in my opinion is one of the greatest presidents we've ever had. this is not eisenhower's republican party anymore. this isn't liz cheney's republican party anymore. what happened? >> well, we're certainly in a very dangerous place as a party. i think that right now, we have a cult of personality. we have too many people in the party who have decided to embrace the former president. and look, you know, the chairman and i are on very different ends of the political spectrum, and there are many things on which we don't agree. but we both agree that you have to have healthy political parties in this country so we can engage in that debate on those issues. and right now, my party is not embracing truth, is not embracing substance and seriousness. and i think both of our parties need to be focused on electing serious people to office. and people like dwight eisenhower, people who take their oath seriously and their obligation seriously and will engage in a way that reflects -- that's worthy of this nation. >> chairman thompson, from the committee's work this week, we've learned a lot of things, including firsthand testimony about donald trump, what he was doing that day, about ivanka trump reaching out, trying to get her father to call off the mob, about sean hannity from fox texting and other fox people texting people, basically saying to white house chief of staff mark meadows, please get him to try to stop the mob from doing this. what else are we learning and who else do you need to talk to? >> well, quite a few people. i can tell you that we are learning that individuals conspired to change the outcome of the election. and that's very concerning, that they used assets of the federal government to try to promote the big lie, that they intimidated state officials toward the big lie. and so, again, we have to tell that story. we'll be able to document it. and i'm concerned that even the replacement of certain people to accomplish the big lie was under consideration. again, we're a better country. and so the vice chair and i have joined together to make sure that democracy stands in this country. after the report, liz and i will go to our corners, as we did before january 6th. but for this moment, we love our country. we understand democracy. >> you said individuals conspired, conspiracy obviously being a crime, individuals including people in the inner circle of the trump white house? >> oh, no question about it. >> including donald trump himself? >> well, look, donald trump is an open book. everyone watching this show, they have an opinion of it. he's not known to tell the truth. he's known to promote lies. but in this instance, he invited people to washington on january 6th. and at the end of the invitation, he said it was going to be wild. little did we know it was going to be as wild as it was. >> you, vice chair cheney, said this morning you look forward to vice president pence's cooperation with the committee. we know that a number of people in his inner circle are cooperating and they would not be doing that, one thinks, if pence had not signed off on it. you mentioned before the mob shouting "hang mike pence," the demonization of pence by donald trump. when you say that you look forward to pence cooperating, is that wishful thinking or is he committed to cooperating? >> look, i think that the committee is going to continue to work with a number of people, including the vice president. he clearly was someone who was responsible for the fact that our institutions held, right where this stage is, early on the morning of the 7th, i had the chance to thank him, to thank him for what he had done that day, to thank him for not succumbing to the pressure that president trump was putting on him, the efforts to intimidate him. and so i think he played a hugely important, consequential role that day in making sure that we were able to carry out our constitutional duties. and i'm confident that he wants the american people to know the truth, to know what happened that day. and i'm confident that he's a patriot, he loves this country and he'll want to make sure this committee is successful. >> you have said another donald trump presidency could be the end of our democracy. i don't need to tell you that he's the frontrunner for the presidential nomination for your party for 2024, if he runs. what would it say about the republican party, what would it say for the united states if donald trump is the republican nominee for president again in 2024? >> look, what we saw him do after the election, what we saw him do on the 6th, are absolutely disqualifying. and when you think about the trust we put as americans into the hands of our president, and you think about the inscription that's over the fireplace in the dining room in the white house, which is a john adams letter to abigail adams, he says may none by honest and wise men rule under this roof. and i think that's really important, when you have somebody that's demonstrated his lack of fidelity to the constitution, someone who is at war with the rule of law, you cannot entrust that person with the power of the presidency ever again. and i think it's critically important for the republic that he not be anywhere close to the oval office ever again. >> chairman thompson, what do you think? because it is -- it looks like he's going to run again. and if he runs again, polls favor him winning the republican presidential nomination and it looks like -- i mean, the republican party is deferential to him. >> well, that's unfortunate. you know, being a bully, being someone who is not known to tell the truth, should not be a qualifying asset to become president of the united states. that tells you that as a country, we have moved beyond the norm, when a donald trump gets elected president and is the leading contender of his party to run again. so i agree with my vice chair that we should have better people running for office. donald trump would not be one of those individuals. he's demonstrated every day that he is not the quality of person who should be president of the united states. >> all three of us are old enough to remember when chairs and vice chairs of committees regularly behaved like this when it came to important issues, whatever the committee. so thank you to both of you for what you're doing, this important work to get to the bottom of what happened, not just when members of congress but when our democracy was attacked. thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up, family members trapped during the attack, days after his son's death, congressman jamie raskin joins us next. you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card. we're carvana, the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand-new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few 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[a vulture squawks.] there he is. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty♪ and there you have it. woah. wireless on the most reliable network nationwide. wow. big deal. we get unlimited for just 30 bucks. sweet, but mine has 5g included. relax people. my wireless is crushing it. that's because you all have xfinity mobile with your internet. it's wireless so good, it keeps one-upping itself. take the savings challenge at xfinitymobile.com/mysavings or visit an xfinity store to learn how our switch squad makes it easy to switch and save hundreds. on january 5th, 2021, congressman jamie raskin buried his beloved son tommy would died by suicide on new year's eve. he arrived at the capitol on january 6th heartbroken. his daughter tabitha and his other daughter's husband hank accompanied him for support. when the chamber was evacuated, the congressman was separated from tabitha and he and hank hid. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having us. >> i cannot imagine coming to work -- i mean, obviously it was an important day to come to work on january 6th, but the day after having buried your son tommy. >> well, it was surreal, there's no doubt about that. i felt tommy very much in my heart, in my chest. and like i told tabitha and her big sister hannah and hank, the whole family, i just said, it's a constitutional duty, the constitution says we have to be there that first wednesday in january in order to count the electoral college votes. and as you know, it was a surly political environment. and we had a very narrow majority at that point. and covid-19 was running rampant. and there were people who were being waylaid and people who were getting sick. and i just said, hey, we live closer to the capitol than any other member of congress other than eleanor holmes norton who is a nonvoting delegate. tabitha offered to come and hank, who is married to my older daughter hannah, came. >> you wanted to come for support. >> correct. >> when were you sitting when you realized something was going on? >> so we were in steny hoyer's office, which as you said, is close to the room we're sitting at today. and we were there pretty much all day. and you know, what you see on the news, it's a lot of shock and everything's happening at once. but for us, it was just a normal day. and we were there and we were kind of looking out the window, and seeing the chaos build. and we really didn't know what was going on. there were points where we were concerned but then we kind of went back to what we were doing. and it really wasn't until we heard the rioters actually break inside the capitol that we were, like, whoa. >> you were evacuated, you were separated then. you were aware they were in steny hoyer's office. is it true you both ended up under the desk in hoyer's office? >> yeah, so yeah, we -- as soon as we heard them close, we immediately looked for someplace to hide. it was really the only good hiding spot. so the two of us, we hid under his desk. we were under there for a while. i remember there was a hole in the desk for cords, and i was scared, i just imagined people coming in and like seeing us through the hole and then i remember trying to cover the hole. and yeah -- >> you had already locked the door and barricaded the door. >> we were locked inside. >> with julie tegen, my chief of staff, she was with them. >> i thought there was really -- i think both of us thought there was just no way we were getting out alive, really. >> to deal with the unspeakable, unimaginable grief that you were dealing with and then to have this horror on top of it, your daughter said something to you that day when it was finally over and you were all able to leave, that really affected you. do you remember what she said? >> we were drowning in grief and agony because of tommy. i actually invited them because i thought they needed me but they came because they thought i needed them. all of us were right, we really needed each other, it was a very dark time for us. and then this unthinkable thing happens, which is there's a mass violent insurrection by a mob chanting "hang mike pence" and "we want trump" and "stop the steal" and they're banging on doors. when i first heard them, they tried to barrel into the house chamber. >> which is just right down there. >> just a few steps away from where we are. and someone sent me a picture of one of the insurrectionists bearing the confederate battle flag. i think it was in this room. and i walked across the aisle to liz cheney and i said, liz, look, it looks like we're under new management here. and she looked at it and she just shook her head and said, my god, what have they done? so my main concern the whole day was getting them out, because we were evacuated to the right of the speaker's lobby. to the left is where the mob had come in. that's where ashli babbitt was shot and killed when she tried to enter. and we escaped over to the house side. but it was about an hour later when finally the officers said that it was secure enough to come in to try to get them out of steny's capitol office. and so they came back, and you can imagine the sense of relief i felt. and it was very emotional, when they came back. and then i was working to get them home because we were planning on being here most of the night, as we were, because all of us were adamant that we were going to see the electoral college vote certified. we were not going to leave until that happened. and so when we finally figured a way for them to get back home, i was giving them hugs and kisses and saying goodbye, and i said to tabitha, i promise it will never be like this again when you come back to the capitol. and she just looked at me, i'll never forget it, and she said, dad, i don't want to come back to the capitol. >> do you remember saying that? and yet here you are. is this -- this is your first time back? >> yeah. >> what does that feel like? >> i -- nervewracking, i think just because of the conditioning of the experience. >> you had to walk by steny hoyer's office as you were coming here. >> yeah. and that certainly made, you know, definitely felt my heart drop a little bit there. and yeah. it's nerve-racking being back, definitely. >> why did you want to come back? >> i think it was, for a number of reasons. my dad comes back every day. his colleagues come back every day. the maintenance workers come back every day. the capitol police come back every day. and they are showing the world that, the lies being told have not won. we're still here. we're still running things. and i think -- >> democracy is still alive. >> yeah. yeah. it's holding on. and i think, i'm showing solidarity by coming back. >> you must be really proud of her. >> very proud of tabitha and hank and they were troopers getting through that. there weren't many kids here because of covid-19. people were told not to bring their families. very few staff were here. it is kind of an unremarked facet of this thing, that had we not been in covid-19, there would have been probably thousands, certainly hundreds more people here. it would have been a far more dangerous thing when the mob broke in. >> i want to read something. you've written a book about your son tommy, about what happened with him and grief and all of what you had been through. one of the things you said, you said i've learned that trauma can steal everything from you that's most precious and rip joy right out of your life but paradoxically, it can make you stronger and wiser and connect you more deeply to other people than you ever imagined by enabling you to integrate their losses and pain with your own. if a person can go through unthinkable trauma and loss, perhaps a nation may, too. do you think this nation can grow through the trauma that it has experienced? >> i know that we can. and they will tell you, we have boxes and boxes of letters, thousands and thousands of letters from people around the country, from people around the world reaching out to us to console us, to send us love but also to talk about what it was like for them to lose someone in their family to suicide, to lose someone to covid-19, to lose someone in their family to the opioid crisis, to lose someone in their family to the waves of emotional and mental illness that have overcome america. we are a hurting, wounded nation. which is one reason i love joe biden. he connects with that and he knows misfortune. he knows grief in his life. and we have to heal our country. and that starts with telling the truth about everything. >> that is the road to healing. >> truth is the road to healing. any psychologist will tell you that. any psychiatrist will tell you that. you have to start with the truth. and as you were saying, you have to connect to other people. in your family, on your block, other people in the community who have been through similar things. we'll come back from the nightmare of january 6th. i have no doubt, anderson, no doubt. we're coming back and america will be stronger. >> that's one of the things of not only covid but all trauma is that it isolates you. in your grief, you feel isolated. you feel no one understands what you're going through and this country is polarized and we are isolated from one another by a virus, by the media we watch, whatever. how do you come together? how does this country bind its wounds and move forward? >> well, i think we have to connect to the past, to the great heroes who have come before us, who helped america heal from its wounds and see through its conflicts. frederick douglass. a great marylander i turned to who says power can seize nothing without a demand. it never can and never will. abraham lincoln who i quoted on january 6th on the floor saying that no foreign monster could ever crush america. if ruin is to come to america, it will come from within. and that's true. it is our own demons and violent white supremacy has been our enemy from the beginning of the republic. just when we're on the precipice of getting through it, well then this nightmare flashback emerges on january 6th. >> i don't want to sound political here but there are many republicans who are not acknowledging this day, or who are mocking this day and say this is democrats trying to milk something, milk a minor event, an unfortunate event from the past for political gain. if even people who are serving in congress aren't wanting to know the truth of this day, i mean -- >> i feel bad for those people. they are essentially in a political religious cult, and their cult leader, donald trump, is telling them they can't believe their own eyes. the evidence of their own experience and their own ears. so we should try to embrace those people and help them through what they're going through because they've been fed lies and they're swallowing the lies. and some of them may have felt they're clever at the beginning. that they could go along with it and not believe it. many have allowed the lies to seep into their soul and it is beginning to rot their minds. >> do you think, are you glad you came back? >> i'm glad to meet you. >> now you're just being polite. >> no, no. i am -- >> you're a teacher. you work with kids. are you optimistic about the future of this country? >> i would say for me, one of the greatest, i mean, what i'm learning from this time and this experience and january 6th specifically is just how desperately we need our future generations to be able to think critically. and as a math teacher, i'm always talking about thinking critically. and so yeah. i think it's -- there's a lot we need -- we should take from this experience and put into education. in my opinion. >> and the young people give me a lot of hopeful tabitha's generation, hank's generation, they give me a lot of hope. i think they are beyond a of the racism and mysogyny and they're ready for a strong universal democracy. we have to get through this very tough period. >> what does it say about a country that a country that elects barack obama for two terms then turns and elects donald trump? >> and there were millions of people who voted for obama who voted for trump. and there are a lot of people who are disaffected and feel passed over by government and the magic of democracy is that we can constantly renew ourselves. so we have to go out and we've got to hear everybody, and listen to everybody's experience and try to build a stronger democracy on that basis. >> you've been a law professor. you believe in the law. i mean, you put trust in the law and you have faith in the law. is it, being on the january 6th committee, is it essential to find out every detail about january 6th? why pursue that? why not let it go into history? >> you know, my dad, tabitha's grandfather, marvin raskin said democracy needs a ground to stand on and that ground is the truth. in a democracy, people have a right to the truth. it's not some kind of discretionary gift. it is our government. it is our democracy. we have a right to get to the truth. so our committee, the select committee which chairman thompson and vice chair cheney are doing such a good job managing, that committee will get exhaustive truth in painstaking detail and we will tell the story the best we can and we will make recommendations about how to fortify democratic institutions going forward in the future. that's our job. when we talk about accountability. it is not just individuals. it is about society. the world needs america, right? the world needs a strong democratic america for human rights, for social justice, for peace, and also, to deal with the real nightmare of our age which is climate change. if we're spending all our time fighting with oath keepers and proud boys and nonsense like this, how do we deal with climate change? we have to get through this process, defeat fascism in america, and then move forward to lead the world to environmental security and safety for everybody, and a flourishing future for these generations. >> you describe your son tommy as having a brilliant political mind. and i think the term was a radiant goodness. i love that idea. you said he had a zeal for the truth and social fairness. what did you learn from him and what do you want people to know about him? and what he would have thought about what has gone on this past year? >> well, we learn from tommy every day and we continue to learn from him as we quote him to each other. one of the things tommy said when he taught sunday school. he had a lesson that was built on this thesis topic, which is make friends with someone you don't agree with. he was not a paragon of political correctness. one of his good friends at harvard law school was a guy who had been in the trump administration. a young man who writes us all the time. tommy never gave up on the potential goodness of everybody, and the potential goodness in humanity. and at the same time, he detested fascism and bullying and authoritarianism. and we have to keep both those ideas in mind west can't give up on anybody in america but we can't tolerate the lying and the big lies and the authoritarian attacks on our institutions that our forebearers and our parents and grandparents built in america. >> how do you remember tommy

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