key votes are scheduled this week. also tonight, still no sign of brian laundrie who disappeared two weeks ago when his fiancee gabby petito was found in the grand teton stetons. they dropped the -- we're asking patty davis how she feels about that. i want to bring in justin powers and contributor staff writer who is the author of "wildland, the making of america's fury." good evening to both of you thank you so much for joining. evan, democrats say they're getting really close to a deal on biden's larger spending package. i want you to listen to what congres the congresswoman told me. >> we are getting close. the senate majority leader continues to have a conversation with a few senators that are holding up progress. our chair woman, pramila jayapal, had a phone call and a conversation with sinema. what we are waiting for is what is it that they are interested in seeing changed so that we can move this legislation forward. >> evan, simple question. is the president going to be able to pull this off? >> well, we're starting to see some of the kicking beneath the surface of the water begin to reveal itself. yeah, we're into the horse trading phase now, don. it's pretty clear that people are starting to put numbers on the table. one of the big questions, and this is what the chair of the cook progressive caucus indicated earlier in the week was that, look, this is going to come down to how many people can be covered by these changes, how long will they be in effect? will they be a few years, will they be permanent? that's exactly the process they had to get to. biden has been sort of calm about this trying to say it's not a five-alarm fire, but the stakes are enormous. at this point the body language you heard from everybody has changed from where it was a few days ago where there is a general recognition this is a political necessity. they have to get this done. >> kirsten, can you hear me? are you having trouble? i think kirsten is having trouble. i'll continue to talk to you, evan. >> an hour ago the situation was very tense. manchin was saying the agreement was a heavy lift. progressives were standing firm. what do you think has changed, evan? >> one of the things you're hearing is an important detail from jim clyburn. of course, the congressman from south carolina. he's one of the people who has been pushing for an expansion of medicaid saying we have to push this into states that have said no to it under the affordable care act for over a decade, and he started to say, look, if we can't make this permanent, we'll take half a loaf. we'll put it in place for five years. these are the kinds of changes that begin to get something moving. but you know, don, i think the larger point here that's interesting, too, you've begun to hear someone like joe bimancn talk to joe biden. he's not going to say to somebody, i'm going to squeeze you here, you have to do something for the non-voters. he's trying to put it in larger terms, competitiveness terms. saying, look, for the united states to be competitive in 21st century, we have to have the family leave they have in europe. we have to have the kinds of broadband access you see when you go to south korea. this is about making the united states fit for competition for the decades ahead, and that's an argument that lands better with joe manchin than it does fighting with him about what his voters want and are not willing to pay for. >> great assessment, evan, thank you. kirsten, our democracy is under attack. the government is rewriting laws all over this country based upon a lie. president biden has tried to prove that the government can work and help people. how important is it for democrats to come together in this moment with really so much else on the line here? >> well, i think it's incredibly important, and actually i would say if they weren't able to produce some sort of, you know -- deliver, basically, on biden's agenda, i think it would be catastrophic. because there's so much on the line, that's why i've been saying i really do believe that the democrats are going to figure this out, and what we're seeing right now is just the sausage making. we're watching this happen, and this is how it works. you have different factions in the democratic party staking out the positions. they are fighting for the things they think are the most important, and because of the numbers, because of the fact that joe biden really doesn't have 50 votes that he can count on of people that all think exactly the same way, he's having to navigate a lot of different people who have different constituencies and different concerns. and so that's what he's facing, but i think they're going to figure it out, because if they don't figure it out, it really would be disastrous. >> kirsten, i knew you were having trouble because i didn't think you would be on with your commercial break glasses, as i call them. >> no. i wasn't hearing the show. i heard nothing, then all of a sudden i heard, you're on camera, and i'm like, awesome. >> thank you, kirsten, thank you, evan. i appreciate it. joining me now is valerie jared, the former senior advisor to president barack obama. valerie, thank you so much. the former president is weighing in on biden's spending plan. he's saying the wealthiest americans can afford to pay more to fund it. this is what he told "good morning america"'s robin ro roberts. >> i think they can afford it. i think we can afford it. i put myself in this category now. for anyone who thinks it's a hardship for billionaires to pay a little more so moms get child support, or we can make sure our communities aren't indundated b fires and floods and that we're doing something for climate change in the next generation, that's something that's sustainable. >> president biden has not been able to secure an agreement for all democrats. do you think he'll be able to get this over the finish line? >> i sure hope so, don. good evening. thank you for having me on. listening to the items that president obama mentioned that have to be taken care of if we're really going to be a country that cares about our fellow citizens, we don't have any choice. so i know that president biden is working hard at this, but it's also up to those who are elected to not let perfect be the enemy of the good and to move forward in a way because families right now are sitting around those kitchen tables, don, trying to figure out how to make ends meet, and they need some help. that's what government is there to do. that means people who can afford it have to pay a little more in taxes. that way people who can't afford it have a little help. >> the former president obama also took part in a virtual chat. you were part of that. he said this about the threats of democracy. here it is. >> because of, i think, the fraying or the crumbling of guardrails around how information goes out into the public, we now have certain portions of our populations that are operating on an entirely different baseline, facts of history, of how democracy is supposed to work. we've got to figure out how are we helping people to distinguish between truth and falsehood, facts and opinions. >> so he went on to say that may happen through the education system or how we think about the media. but this is an urgent problem, valerie. what needs to be done right now? >> well, it's up to all of us, don, to start stretching the importance of engaged and active learning. it isn't enough just to pick something off the internet and think it's true, we have to be critical learners. we have to look at the data. where did it come from? we have to talk to each other, not at each other. this brings us to an important role that i think the obama foundation has to play is a gathering place, a people with great ideas that have done their research, that have done their homework, evidence-based strategies that don't tell people what to think but how to think, how to be those critical thinkers and how to come together to solve the big problems we have that lie ahead. we know what the solutions are, and if we look at the truth and be rigorous and disciplined and care about us, not just ourselves, to your earlier question, we can solve these problems together. that's what he believes in and that's what he wants to see happen through this new obama center, this foundation that he has created. >> i also want to ask you about something i know you care deeply about, and that is police reform. republican senator tim scott told pbs last year that he supported police departments losing federal funding if they didn't make reforms. now he seems to be calling that defunding the police. did he flip-flop? is police reform in congress doomed, valerie? >> i surely hope not. i think it's incumbent on all the members of congress to recognize we have to provide some broad parameters at the federal level about what is acceptable in policing. to give local law enforcement the tools that they need to do their jobs in a fair and equitable way. so in some cases that might require them to receive more resources, but those resources should have strings attached. they have strings attached that show that these police departments are actually going to implement change so that black families don't have to teach their children a certain way to interact with the police that the rest of the country doesn't have to do. and that's in everyone's self-interest, don. >> you mentioned it a little bit, but we didn't talk specifically about the obamas breaking ground on the obama presidential center in chicago. we talked about what he's trying to do with center, we didn't talk about what's happening. you said it wouldn't be like a library, more like an active campus. tell us more about what we can expect. ztz >> on the south side of chicago, we'll have a beacon of hope that i think will help changers go around the world with forces for good. it's going to begin on the south side, and you know, don, in chicago there's been a traditional disparity between the north side and the south side. this incredible economic engine is going to help generate a ripple effect across the entire city, but the goal, don, is when you leave the center that you're not only inspired, but you feel empowered to go back to your community and be a change agent. it's all about what we can do, not what i can do. >> i can't wait to see it. i hope the hoping is not, though, in the middle of winter, because i do know chicago. that's how i met you and the former president and first lady. >> it won't be. >> good, good. thank you very much, valerie. always a pleasure to see you. >> take care, don. there is news on the gabby petito case. newly dispatched video reveals what police were told about the altercation between gabby and brian laundrie. >> both the male and the female got in the van and headed north. pampers i'll shoot you an estimate as soon as i get back to the office. hey, i can help you do that right now. high thryv! thryv? 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what's going on here? >> it could be they're just getting it for a just in case scenario. however, what struck me first was that we know they have recovered gabby's remains, and we do not -- we know it was a homicide, but we don't know how she was killed. was she hit with a tree branch? was a knife used? we just don't know. but they may have a weapon or things surrounding her remains that they have tested, and they can use the samples they've received from brian's parents to test and see is there any of brian's dna there or not. additionally, frequently when people, especially women, are in a struggle for their life, they will scratch the offender and get dna from skin tissue under their nails. this we know. and so they will -- if that is the case with her remains, they will want to be comparing brian's dna with anything they found at the crime scene. >> there is newly released dispatch audio that reveals that the utah police officer who pulled gabby and brian over in august were told that he was the alleged aggressor, not gabby. let's listen to some of that recording. >> but the female who got hit, they both -- the male and the female both got into the van and headed north. rp states the male hit a female, domestic. he got into a white transit van. >> so the dispatcher refers to gabby, the female, who got hit. the moab police department is now under investigation for its handling of this incident. what went wrong here, candace? >> well, i've watched that interview with the two police many, many times, and it appears to me that brian was pretty skilled at hoodwinking people. when he approached the police, he was what i call c-3. he was cool, calm and collected. gabby was the opposite. i'm not going to say she was hysterical, but she couldn't stop crying, she could hardly complete a sentence. she was clearly upset. and brian kind of, with a wink and a nod, almost, says to the police, well, she gets this way, and when she gets this way, i have to distance myself. and then he plays the classic abuser's card. well, you know, she's crazy, so that was all bad. bad for abby. gabby, i'm sorry. >> a kccording to their attorne the family of gabby petito will be holding a press conference tomorrow afternoon. what do you think this could be about? >> i can't imagine, other than maybe they are aware of the manner of death. that would surprise me. usually medical examiners or investigators make that announcement public. perhaps they have received information that they want to share, and maybe they simply want to thank the public for all the support. >> well, candace, we always get such insight from you, and we thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, and don, tomorrow on my podcast "killer psyche," we are devoting an entire episode to this story. we usually do historic cases. we thought this was important enough that we focus on it right away, and we'll be addressing a lot of these issues and questions. >> we'll be listening. thank you, candace. >> thank you, don. he tried to assassinate a president, but he'll be completely free in june. that president's daughter speaks out right here, next. i'll shoot you an estimate as soon as i get back to the office. hey, i can help you do that right now. high thryv! thryv? 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>> obviously i have all sorts of negative thoughts about it. the one thing i didn't feel was surprise. i think this was inevitable. barry levine has been working for this for many, many years and he wasn't going to stop until he got all the restrictions taken off of john hinckley. you know, hinckley has been out and about for many years. i mean, i spoke to sarah brady a couple years before jim brady died, and she lived in sort of the same region as john hinckley, and she said, you know, every time i go out somewhere, i'm so scared that i'm going to see him. so he's been around for a while. but the last restrictions were about him having to have mental health checkups and also not being able to contact any family members or jodie foster. all of that is being removed. >> you were in your 20s back then when it happened. can you take us through what that day looked like for you? >> yeah. i was actually in a therapist's office, and one of my secret service agents, like, barged in. at first i was so angry because i thought, oh, my god, i can't even have a therapy session without the secret service barging in. but i looked at him and he was just white as a sheet. and he said, there's been a shooting. and, you know, the day just sort of careened from that point on. i wasn't able to get through to the hospital. i didn't really know much more -- sorry, my cat just joined this interview. >> we like animals in their appearances. >> she does it every time. i don't know. you know, i was really getting my news from the secret service and from the television, and they finally put me and michael and maureen on an army transport plane that night. they wouldn't let us fly commercial because they didn't know if other people were going to try to kill the whole family or something like that. so they put us on an army transport plane and we ended up getting into washington at 2:00 in the morning, something like that. you know, my mother was already asleep. it was just -- i didn't know -- none of us knew if my father would live. and he came very close to not living. you know, i wrote in "floating in the deep end" about the memory of being so terrified that he would die that day, and obviously he didn't, but when alzheimer's claimed him, the piracy of alzheimer's was actually a little less scary for me. it was still scary, but less so because i could wrap my head around that -- i could wrap my head around the piracy of alzheimer's. i couldn't wrap my head around someone taking a gun and going and taking another life. and i still can't. >> it's the immediacy of it. and i certainly understand that. listen, i want to read part of your new op-ed out today that said, recently a decision to recommend parole divided the kennedy family as well as much of the public. more than half a century has passed since 1978, the arguments for his release went. the family who objected knows this. when someone you love is gunned down, time doesn't move from that hour, that moment. that event is your prison and there is no release from it. hinckley's assassination attempt took place 40 years ago, but it's not over for you, as you write there. >> yeah, but you know, also i reread today rory kennedy's "new york times" op-ed about objecting to hassan's release and he was incarcerated for 50 years. she brought up a good point about the loss to the country. obviously her father died and my father did not die that day. but when somebody tries to assassinate a president or assassinate a public figure or a presidential candidate, they affect the entire country. i mean, you remember the day my father was shot. i remember very clearly when robert kennedy was shot. the country is paralyzed, so you're not just affecting the family and the loved ones, you're affecting an entire country. >> patty, i wish we had nicer things to speak about when we see each other via satellite, but i appreciate your candor and i pleappreciate you coming on. you be well and i'll see you soon, okay? 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ruth is a professor at new york university. ruth, thank you for joining us. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> the twice impeached serial-lying former president that tried to stage a coup is still out there spreading the lies and could very well run again in 2024. i'm frankly tired of talking about him, but why is this so important to keep an eye on? what is he up to? >> i sympathize with those who are tired of speaking about him and wish they never had to hear his name again, but we can never underestimate the tenacity of somebody like trump who is a highly skilled propagandist and will stop at nothing to get back in the white house like we saw on january 6, only because he needs immunity from prosecution. he's been extremely obsess active in an effective way at chipping away at the idea of fair and free elections very effectively. what better domination play is there to make tens of millions of people believe that you actually won the election. so he's a formidable adversary for democracy. >> at this point, though, do you think that he's actually making people believe that, or is it more about the people wanting to believe that than him? because at the end of the day, they're adults. >> they're adults, but they're adults who have been swept up in what's truly an authoritarian personality cult. it ticks all the boxes of all the strong men i've studied. and when you -- when people bond with somebody who has considerable skills, you know, trump cultivates them. he tells them he loves them. he's really very skilled at this. they believe him because they believe in him. and they want to believe everything he says. and so think about january 6. it was a leader rescue operation. and there's nothing they won't do to keep him -- to keep the idea of him alive. and he knows that and he plays that very well. >> i think you just articulated what i was trying to say much better than i did. it's mostly about the idea of him. yes, it is him, but it could be someone else who espouses the same ideas as him. they want to believe in him. but he happened to be particularly skilled at getting them to do that. we saw in arizona the fraudit, when the truth comes out it doesn't shake president trump's loy loyalty. why? >> they provide an escape from the world. trump says this is just more evidence of the fake news lying to persecute me. because the strong man has to have the victim complex and that's how he gets people to feel protective of him. what's more dangerous is the more evidence that could come out that makes him vulnerable, the more that he could -- he's been cultivating people to embrace violence as a way of solving problems, and we saw that with january 6. he's already shown he's willing to go there. and so the more he feels endangered, the more reckless he becomes, and that's how we got to january 6 in the first place. >> the big lie has only gotten worse since november. election officials stood strong in 2020, but now republicans in at least 16 states are trying to change laws to move authority over, final election results to the legislature. is this a bomb waiting to go off in 2022 or 2024? >> yeah, it is, and it's a devastating combination of legal changes that could give an appearance of legality and give the legal mechanisms to do this. but it's also a psychological operation. donald trump intends to take down american democracy, but not only through laws, not only through a possible repeat of a coup or violence, but he's been cultivating people through disinformation to make them think democracy is already dead in america, that the election system is already a total sham. and once you get people into feeling that there is no freedom, that biden is a socialist dictator, all this incredibly focused talking points that the whole gop and republican universe has been churning out in fox news, that prepares people for an alternative which is authoritarian rule. that's billed as saving our freedoms and that's what january 6 was for the believers, it was saving our freedoms. that's why it's so dangerous. >> listen, we'll be having you back on to discuss this as we get closer to 2022 and 2024 and as the rhetoric continues to remain high for the former president. thank you very much. >> thank you. r. kelly facing life in prison found guilty of nine counts, including sex trafficking and racketeering. stay with us. sional nerve aches in your hands or feet? 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>> i'm not surprised at all. i can remember sitting on this network having this conversation about a year ago with you, don, and i said we wanted justice and today we got justice. honestly this won't change the hurt, trauma, the pain that so many of the women endured that got caught up a in r. kelly's circle. it sent a strong message the kind of conduct he was engaged in is not acceptable and he will be held accountable and anyone involved in that kind of conduct will be held accountable. >> has to kind of accusations have followed r. kelly for a very long time. the scathing docuseries put new scrutiny on his behavior. why did it take so long, so many years to get to this point? >> it's not just r. kelly, done. it's taken us a long time in general for women to be believed when they come forward and say they've been sexually harassed. it's the first time in a long time and i've been doing this kind of litigation in law for a long time. we are understanding it's a very complicated process for women to come forward. often times they don't come forward at the time they are experiencing the trauma. we're seeing a difference in the way people are treated and they're being believed. we put our heads in the sand, we revered artists and we endured the pain endured by so many women. >> i quote here, "for years i was trolled for speaking out at the hands of that predator." will today's verdict help some of the victims gets closure? 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