but, look, lawrence, i think what strikes me and hearing that earlier segment and all the speculation in the past 24 hours from anthony scaramucci and other allies of the president over whether or not michael cohen will flip and the peril to donald trump if michael cohen flips. you know, there is a technical phrase in the law for people who are at risk by their lawyers flipping on them, and that technical phrase is criminal. that is the kind of conduct that is at risk if your lawyer flips. and they re just betting on whether or not he s we re not having a discussion about whether or not the president is a crook. we re just having a discussion about whether he will be caught by his lawyer turning on him. david, jay goldberg who knows michael cohen, knows donald trump, is 100% confident that michael cohen is facing serious jail time, and when he s presented with that, he will start talking about donald trump. well, as ron said, what you normally say if you re associated with the pr
state charges as well. so i think that is definitely a possibility if trump is really concerned that cohen s going to cooperate against him. he would end it right when he s charged. he s not going to wait for a conviction, not going to wait for the opportunity for him to cooperate. go ahead and stop it now. and i am certain that there s some sort of message being sent to cohen either directly or indirectly that s going to be the deal. you believe michael cohen will flip. clearly none of us know exactly what michael cohen is going to do. we re not inside his head. we don t know what advice he s getting and we re assuming there s something to flip on. that s the point i was about to make, don. all of this assumes that the president has done something, that he s done something he believes or someone believes is criminal and that we know to flip someone you have to be able to give the prosecutors some information that s going to be valuable to the prosecutors. so if it s just gen
michael cohen and now mr. goldberg. we could ask during the macron news conference. we ll see how that goes. the idea that first of all, it s just a weird thing to say. if jay goldberg knows donald trump should not is suggest that michael cohen will flip on him. he is a friend and someone he considers family. so this is insulting for michael cohen. to him to go out and talk about this is also strange. why would this be happening? i don t get it. i believe it handled. i just don t understand why it s happened. only the best people, chris. only the best people. i think there s some competition in trumplandia for the president s attention. sometimes we look for strategy when there is none. let s move on. the president was asked yesterday during a press conference have you concluded that it is not worth the
possible. he said the same thing to abc. in that sense i have to go back aook. about the prostitutes and the urine. but i don t know. i m not again i m too polite to mention that on air, as well. it s a medical term. you re right. golden shower. let s put the urine aside, what do you think about him not saying yes i think the nation would be better off? he think it is president is a forest fire. better off without a forest fire? he couldn t clear that low bar. the other things grow after the forest fire is the metaphor he uses. what now? jackie can i can just agree. also a development of i want your perspective on this. we have 80 seconds. which is the question about whether or not michael cohen will flip. former attorney for president trump said that he should be worried, concerns of michael cohen testifying against
raising the regular flood. i mentioned him jay goldberg, he has known him for decades. in fact, he helped negotiate trump s go divorces decades ago. he is predicting cohen could end up cooperating with the feds. we re going to talk to jay in just a moment. i want to go to jeff zeleny outfront first in west palm beach. jeff, how concerned is the president tonight? well, erin, it s interesting, because so much focus had been on james comey. but i was talking to a white house official who said he has weathered james comey. it is michael cohen that is consuming him. and the key point, erin, is this. michael cohen is viewed in the west wing at least as a wild card, someone who never came in the administration, although he wanted to, but he was blocked for a variety of reasons. so he never came inside the administration. and frankly, the white house officials have no control over him. so i am told the president has been asking multiple people what he should do about this, if he thinks th