and mouse where they set up the interactions and the u.s. intelligence committee tries to intercept it. go ahead. i would quickly say that, you know, that it doesn t necessarily indicate that al qaeda is desperate but more cohesive on working on a top down leadership structure and more organized fashion than we previously realized. again, when you use the term conference call, you re not literally meaning a conference call? no, again, we are not saying whether it was a phone call or video or internet or voice or data or whatever. the bottom line is this is considered sort of a virtual meeting space. it was not a phone call and this was an environment the leadership set up that people could plug into and they again went to extensive lengths to try to make sure that it was secure. in this case they seemed to have failed. fran, what is your take in this. it s so counter intuitive, the operational security of al qaeda.
a philadelphia judge today refused to dismiss murder charges against a christian couple whose infant son died from pneumonia. when the baby got sick in april, the couple didn t call a doctor or seek any kind of medical treatment. they prayed. this case would be tragic if the facts ended there but they don t. this isn t the first time the they have been charged in the death of a child. they relied on prayer before. reporter: at this north philadelphia cemetery, most of the graves are marked but not this spot where two small children are buried, two children who would be alive today say authorities if their parents gave them medical care. they are charged with murder following the death of their 8 month old son brandon this spring. instead of caring and knew touring him, they ultimately caused his death by praying over his body instead of taking him to the doctor. reporter: unbelievely, that
people are entitled to religious beliefs. parents do not get a religious exemption. the classic phrase, you can make a martyr of yourself, but not your children for religious beliefs. they do not get a pass. there are a couple exceptions. one interesting one is parents say i m not going to vaccinate my child. the difference here is you can t say no to therapy. if there is a proven established therapy insulin for diabetes, antibiotics for what this poor child had, the state steps in and says you must treat, no exceptions. so just antibiotics would have saved this child s life? would have saved the child s life. what the when you get a case like this when you re in the hospital, you want to appeal a
now he s realizing that there really is no turning back. so the message, really, if i were working on this case, look, jim, what happend is horrible but you have control of this situation because you can you can make a big difference in what happens to hanna and we know you care about her in your own way. you can control what happens to her by releasing her. you have no doubt he s following this via the media? i really do think he is. it may not be via television, unless he has access to television but that s his only means to monitor the investigation. i believe strongly he is monitoring any source of news that he can. and so the message to him, which you re trying to get out is what is done is done but he has control in terms of what happens to hanna and he can start to make it right. he can start to make it
they have other children, all the other children are in foster care? reporter: switch other children are in the foster care system right now and that reassures a lot of people those children are no longer with those parents. all right. gary, appreciate the reporting. joining me kathryn head of ethics and also, aravia martin. hard not to get furious when you hear this case. parents do not get a religious exemptings. you can make a martyr of yourself but not children. they do not get a pass. there are a couple exceptions. we do a lot parents to say i m not going to vaccinate my child. so we have built it in. the difference here is you can t say no to therapy. if there is a proven established therapy insulin for diabetes,