for your child because you let two die without medical help. no comment. gary tuchman joins us live from philadelphia. gary, this is so upsetting. how did it play out in court today? reporter: anderson, a in pennsylvania you have to have evidence of malice to charge third degree murder so the two different attorneys for the husband and judge said there is no malice, there should be no third degree murder charge. he said this isn t a close case. he pointed out the first case of their son dying when they thumbed their nose at the law and he says the third degree murder charges will stand and the husband and wife face 20 to 40 years in prison fan found guilty of that. were they in court together? reporter: they were. he s in jail and he s out on bond. he walked in and looked around, saw her, smiled at her and she looked straight ahead. her father sitting next to her and he smiled at his son-in-law a. very strange and horrible situation.
meeting space. it was not a phone call and this was an environment the leadership set up that people could plug into and they again went to extensive lengths to try to make sure that it was secure. in this case they seemed to have failed. fran, what is your take in this. it s so counter intuitive, the operational security of al qaeda. there is lots of ways of communicating and we know there were a number of things that triggered the alert. there was a videotaped calling for the release of the must m brothers from prison. he appointed the head of al qaeda, the yemen group as number two. there is a series of things. so whether or not why you would have needed in audition to all that to pull them all together, they understand very well the u.s. government and our allies ability to target their location using their communications and so to give the u.s. intelligence committee the opportunity to
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of course, the u.s. intelligence committee cracked that security and i guess that s a credit to them. any idea why they would take such a chance on communicating together at the same time? you can look at this a true sign of desperation of al qaeda central is reaching out to affiliates saying do something. they use various methods to communicate with their affiliates. they use coursers and use thumb drives. they have all sorts of things. this has happened for years. this is something they believed was secure. in this case they turned out to be wrong, and it wasn t. this was sort of a meeting of all of the representative sort of cover broad issues. they did take a risk and it backfired but that s not to say it s not unusual because that s exactly what they and the u.s. intelligence committee are doing every day, playing a game of cat
baby brandon. what is with these parents? authorities point to philadelphia s first century gospel church where they belong. a church that declares trust in god alone for physical healing. this church lists many core philosophies on it s website. relevant to this case is one particular belief that i will quote in part. if we are trusting in pill prescription or medication, satan is able to hinder or victory from god. why is this faith healing preached? we wanted to talk to the church s pastors. my name is gary tuckman of cnn. the daughter of the chief pastor said he didn t want to speak with us. how are you? hi. reporter: good is the pastor home? herbert shibel is in jail and kathryn released to live with her parents. the children are in state custody. do you feel you did right by god? no comment. reporter: this is herbert