now he's realizing that there really is no turning back. so the message, really, if i were working on this case, look, jim, what happend is horrible but you have control of this situation because you can -- you can make a big difference in what happens to hanna and we know you care about her in your own way. you can control what happens to her by releasing her. >> you have no doubt he's following this via the media? >> i really do think he is. it may not be via television, unless he has access to television but that's his only means to monitor the investigation. i believe strongly he is monitoring any source of news that he can. >> and so the message to him, which you're trying to get out is what is done is done but he has control in terms of what happens to hanna and he can start to make it right. >> he can start to make it