if you are going to flip, you do it. now, i think we have the graphic of all the mugshots that we have an all the people who have been booked in this case. right? the question is, how will we know if someone is becoming a co-operator? are there external signs we should look for in terms of their the heavier, their meetings, their itineraries, if you will? i think there might be some signs. obviously, if a plea is entered, or a conditional plea is, that is something that would happen have to happen in open court. obviously, we talk a lot about how georgia allows cameras, unless the d.a. intense you asked that the court be closed for some reason. usually, the plea is entered and the sentence is held until testimony is given and the witnesses witness has demonstrated the cooperation that they promised. so, there might be some outward
not giving a defendant a speedy trial. but it could prejudice the government. when gwen, when we talk about just the volume of codefendants in this there are, i believe, 18, and the former president the expectation has been that that number is going to get trimmed, whether maybe because kenneth chesebro s trial is one of, or someone flips. and i would love to get your thoughts on potentially moving some of these codefendants into the cooperating witness category. we were talking with andrew weissmann yesterday, and he said, this is the window when, if you are going to flip, you do it. now, i think we have the graphic of all the mugshots that we have an all the people who have been booked in this case. right? the question is, how will we know if someone is becoming a co-operator? are there external signs we should look for in terms of their the heavier, their
without surprise you if that were the case? no. i think that if mark meadows is smart, he will flip. because he needs to, honestly. he was at the center of a lot of what these indictments are, whether it is the classified documents, case whether it is january 6th, these fake electors scheme he was there and present. and so i think that he knows a lot. trump world should be really worried if he is cooperating, whether that is with the doj or in this fulton county, georgia case. and so, only time will tell. but mark meadows should know, as i do, having worked in trump world, trump demands loyalty from everyone but gives it to no one. and so i think trump will very easily throw him under the bus. so i mean, the assumption was, when we did not see him in the indictment for january 6th, or even mar-a-lago, to a larger point, that he was assumed we don t know but a soon to be a co-operator. we had this conversation and fulton county. does this show you that, maybe, fani willi
coconspirator, and people here, why are there 21? exactly, and the obvious example is that they came in and cooperated and received some sort of benefit for that. but again, we don t know. we don t know. but we do know the facts about that meeting. can i be a, cooperative is who we are, cleared to be a co-operator you have to give me as the prosecutor information. information i can get nowhere. also not about trying to do favors for someone, do people have this conception, of, oh they re cooperator, okay, sign up and we will put you in. there has to be an interest worth pursuing justice, the information you can provide or cooperate another key witness is so essential that i am willing to give you a kind of immunity. for the decency of saying unindicted coconspirator. so is it information that you can t get anywhere? else because obviously we know some individuals from the white house counsel s office who were telling trump, you can t seize
conversation but on that point when you retrace his steps on that, you, know there are about 30 an indictment coconspirators that are listed in this indictment. and i wonder what you make of that. because, some would suggest that when you say unindicted coconspirator, that matters of the aid signal, glaring that it s a co-operator. what do you think? that is what i think except 30. that s a big number that s hard to get to. it is. 18 electors. and many of them came forward. and received it. and that s an obvious big chunk of the 30. but they re just must be other state election workers, maybe people in kaufman county who are more involved, but in a minor. way and will be more than happy to sign them up to make their case and that s why their coconspirators haven t been named.