lawyer at the doj, jeffrey clark they tried to get a federal court to stop d. a. fani willis from arresting them this week. but tonight, a judge denied those requests and, unless an appeals court weighs in, mark meadows and jeffrey clark are set to be arrested in fulton county. keep your eyes out for the mugshots. joining me now are mimi rocah, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, now the district attorney for westchester county, and gwen keyes fleming, former district attorney for dekalb county. mimi and gwen, it s great to have you here. let me first get you thoughts on this late breaking news here, regarding the judge effectively giving meadows and clark the hand on their filing to delay this arrest. does that seem unusual to? and does that suggest anything about the broader case to have this moved into federal court? it doesn t seem unusual, and alex. in fact, it seems so normal that it seems almost like that s what is taking people by
meetings, their itineraries, if you will? i think there might be some signs. obviously, if a plea is entered, or a conditional plea is, that is something that would happen have to happen in open court. obviously, we talk a lot about how georgia allows cameras, unless the d. a. or defense team asked that the court be closed for some reason. usually, the plea is entered and the sentence is held until testimony is given and the witness has demonstrated the cooperation that they promised. so, there might be some outward signs. but the interesting thing is, at least in practice, many d. a. s when i defended files a speedy trial to get a reduced sentence to lesser charges or fewer charges. and so, that, at least, was the practice when i was d. a.. we will see how this d. a.
d.a. is making? or is it just, we are starting from scratch on monday, don t infer anything about the judges position vis-à-vis d.a. willis and mr. meadows today? well, i know he has gotten in trouble whenever i ve inferred something a judge would do based on one order. so, i ve learned over 17 years not to do that. i think this judge judge jones in particular is one who can separate the issues. and we will see him do that. we will hold the hearing that needs to be held on monday, and make a decision to act on both sides and present whatever choose to offer. and really quickly, gwen, if the judge decides to move this to federal court, that means he moves all of the indictments the federal court. is that right? that is my understanding. now, there may be various motions to sever, or other things. i know one defendant filed a speedy trial demand in fulton county. and so that, obviously, we ll have an impact on whether all
cross-examined with later. and nobody says the same thing exactly the same way twice. i mean, the important things, you hope that they do. but witnesses say things differently. and so that is something to think about strategically. it may not be anything that the d.a. can do anything about, but isn t an argument, i don t think, under georgia law for not giving a defendant a speedy trial. but it could prejudice the government. when gwen, when we talk about just the volume of codefendants in this there are, i believe, 18, and the former president the expectation has been that that number is going to get trimmed, whether maybe because kenneth chesebro s trial is one of, or someone flips. and i would love to get your thoughts on potentially moving some of these codefendants into the cooperating witness category. we were talking with andrew weissmann yesterday, and he said, this is the window when,
if you are going to flip, you do it. now, i think we have the graphic of all the mugshots that we have an all the people who have been booked in this case. right? the question is, how will we know if someone is becoming a co-operator? are there external signs we should look for in terms of their the heavier, their meetings, their itineraries, if you will? i think there might be some signs. obviously, if a plea is entered, or a conditional plea is, that is something that would happen have to happen in open court. obviously, we talk a lot about how georgia allows cameras, unless the d.a. intense you asked that the court be closed for some reason. usually, the plea is entered and the sentence is held until testimony is given and the witnesses witness has demonstrated the cooperation that they promised. so, there might be some outward