extremely powerful witness against mr. trump. assuming that he appears credible. anytime there s a co-operator who has something themselves to gain, that means they have a bias. they re trying to gain the favor of the government. that is the jury gets instructed about that, and instructed the jury should weigh them, the fact that the person has a personal interest in their own bias towards benefiting themselves, that should be weighed in assessing the credibility of the witness. right now, or maybe prior to right now, that is part of what the prosecutors themselves are figuring out. because mark meadows but come off credible when he testifies? will the jury believe him? what about rudy giuliani? we ve had this sort of probable position that he s taken on ruby freeman and sheamus. maybe complaining the baseless claims were baseless. does his position on that have any potential effect on jack smith and the sort of halting
gentlemen surreptitiously passing around usb ports as if there were vials of heroin or cocaine. i mean, it s obvious, anyone with a criminal investigator prosecutor they re engaged in surreptitious illegal activity. again, that day. vials of heroin. what was your mom actually handing you on that video? a ginger mint. rudolph giuliani received a target letter from georges fulton county district attorney fani willis. rudolph giuliani is very likely going to be indicted for what he said and in georgia. and a georgia jury is very likely to find that video proof beyond a reasonable doubt. and so tonight, israel giuliani clings to the wreckage of his life, we will consider what he might be doing to save himself. is he now a co-operator in special prosecutor jack smith s
know who is in there? yesterday, we were talking about who, from his inner circle, has testified in the grand jury, what did they say, and what is the difference between telling the truth and being a co-operator. the differences, if you re going to be charged with something, take somebody from that list we just said. is there a sealed, guilty plea with someone who has testified, pled guilty to something in return for leniency after the fact, who i mean, this is what the trump this is what the trump inner circle needs to know. is there somebody out there? what did mark meadows do? that s intriguing! thank you, both, very much, appreciate your expertise and all of. this here with us night, donald trump s former attorney, michael cohen. he is the author of revenge, how donald trump weaponized the u.s. department of justice against his critics, and michael is the host of the mea culpa polk principle of crisis axed. michael, good to see you. good to see, alison. you heard what
of testimony? this one is tying my brain in a bit of a. not and i ll tell you. why ordinarily, as doj you would not bring someone in for a voluntary interview if you saw that person as a target. that would be bad faith by the prosecutor. nor would rudy giuliani, a former prosecutor himself, or his lawyer bob costello also former federal prosecutor, no way on earth they bring him for that kind of interview. unless they believe that there s any chance bacillus them, i m not gonna bring rudy in if they might charge him. i ll start with that. but i also don t think that there s any way rudy giuliani would become a co-operator in the proper sense of the term. i could not see east an area where a federal prosecutor for the united states stands up in court and says, our next witness is rudolph june the omni. whatever people may think. he has zero credibility so if they don t seem as a target and they don t seem as a witness what is it the best i could do is this. they re doing their dilig
and contradicting what was on the tape, it became apparent that he was either a witness or a defendant. now, he had an opportunity to have a co-operator, back before the indictment was filed, that s going to be the time to maximize his valley. but since this time, the government has been able to maintain an indictment with donald trump, and it s riddled with lots of references to other witnesses. so, i think this is an opportunity to get a good deal, diminishes by the, day though i would say as a prosecutor, you can never have too many evidence. if you were to go forward and say, i would like to plead guilty, is apparently evidence against him is very, very strong, at least for that false statements claim. we claim not to have any information about the boxes, even though he was seen the day before moving them around at mar-a-lago. i would suspect that he may get less value in exchange at this point but, if you want to come forward, plead guilty, and cooperate, i think the government wo