long-range way about accountability from the country for everything that happened it must include these folks. so this is the first one that will. and the second one, harry before you go to that second, point let me lead into the second on the idea of mark meadows and rudy giuliani. perhaps many thought that rudy giuliani, many, the thought that the reason he was not on the indictment from jack smith was because he was a co-operator. and providing information of some kind. and, therefore was able to achieve some level of special immunity. he is in this. one so he said he did not cooperate with fani willis. it s a very important puzzle. and when it came out at first, what a genius. and i don t, know maybe not so much. because if he doesn t cooperate and if he had struck a deal and in the january six case you think
a co-operator. he s had his own federal exposure, his own state exposure. what s going on? whereas mark meadows? hey, katie, you know the first thing i read was the actual coconspirator the i didn t read any description of mark meadows. i believe that he is probably, i think he s a massive part of this investigation. especially if he gave up his emails, which we saw a lot of, that also. i think people need to go back and read, it wasn t over 200-page violent by the january six committee concerning mark meadows. if you re talking about emails from individuals conducting the cyber investigations. you, know in this county, and also some of the people with this 80, geo people of that up. meadows was involved in every single facet of this. from follow the money, to the fake cyber vessel geisha, and to use a national assets, or task gain in order to look a foreign interference that was completely faked. it s interesting. i think mark meadows has a lot to say about every single person tha
person trump leaned on to hear a legal advice from. and labeling meadows as a, quote, ringleader, adding his response from, meadows calling it useless, uninformed by facts, speculation. so, katie, where is mark meadows in this latest indictment? is he a co-operator? do we know? i ve always said he is cooperating with the government. and part of this he s been laying so low, like completely low profile, he has not been out there. he s been parroting trump talking points that the trump acolytes and the sycophants to. number one, number two, we call that meadows has his own exposure on the state level for some voter fraud issues. he also has his own exposure through the january 6th investigation, as well as some other potential, you know, culpability based upon what we have seen through these various investigations. if i am mark meadows, and i like the central, you know, hub of this will, with all the
that superseding indictment is that trump employee for. for those of us who have been closing covering this closely, it s the i t employee in charge of all of that. he was the one that carlos de oliveira allegedly went to after had to ask about to leading a server for the boss. is it clear to you that he is gotten a target letters we are told, part of the new charges are based on what he was told by the investigators. do you think he s cooperating with them? yes or he is just testifying as he supposed to. but it s such a good point you make and people of large leanest. he gets the target letter and now he does what people should be doing, what de oliveira should ve done, he gets a new lawyer, the guy had before stan woodward represents a dozen witnesses. including walt nauta yes and the lawyer says excuse me you have got a way to have no jeopardy, a way to have jeopardy. why don t you actually tell the truth? he does, he goes forward and is he a co-operator? he s out of trouble
into this case will be catastrophic in terms of the delay that it s going to bring. there will be some, but it seems manageable to me. all right, carol, talk to us about this mar-a-lago i.t. manager, right? the other person in the indictment. what do you know about him? i think that this person is really critical, actually, steph, because this feels like the person that breaks, like, when they get the target letter, what we have learned based on looking at the timeline of everything jack smith did, everybody he question, and what he learned, according to what he s revealed in his bleeding so far, is that once yuscil taveras got this target letter, saying, you know, you are now the subject, a key subject of our investigation, you are in our crosshairs, that target letter basically communicates one of two things, either we think you could be a co-operator who hasn t cooperated yet, or we are giving you a final count down