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the select committee to investigate the january 6th attack on the united states capitol will be in order. without objection, the chair is authorized to declare the committee in recess -- pursuant the house deposition authority regulation ten, the chair announces the committee's approval to release the deposition material presented during today's hearing. good afternoon and may god bless the united states of america. four months ago, this committee started to present our findings to you, the american people. from the beginning, we understood that some people watching those proceedings would wrongly assume that the committee's investigation was a partisan exercise. that's why i asked those who are skeptical of our work to simply listen. to listen to the evidence, to hear the testimony with an open mind. and to let the facts speak for themselves before reaching a judgment. over the course of these hearings, the evidence has proven that there were a multi part plan led by former president, donald trump, to overturn the 2020 election. donald trump lost his bid for reelection, as shown from the testimony of some of the presidents closest allies and advisers. donald trump knew he lost. despite this knowledge, donald trump went to court to contest the 2020 election, and he lost in court. the electoral college met and declared joe biden the winner and donald trump continued to pull out all the stops in his attempt to stay in power. donald trump proceeded to do after the 2020 election is something no president has done before in our country. in a staggering betrayal of his oath, donald trump attempted a plan that led to an attack on a pillar of our democracy. it's still hard to believe. but the facts and testimony are clear, consistent, and undisputed. how do we know this? how have we've been able to present such a clear picture of what took place? because of the testimony we've heard and that we've presented to you through these proceedings. because of the documentary evidence we've gathered, and also made available directly to you, the american people,. when you look back at what has come out through this committee's work, the most striking fact is that all this evidence comes almost untie early from republicans. the evidence that has emerged did not come from democrats or opponents of donald trump. instead, look at who has written and testified and produced evidence. who has that been? aides who have worked loyally for donald trump four years. republican state officials and legislators, republican electors, the chairwoman of the republican national committee, political professionals who worked at the highest levels of the trump campaign. trump appointees who served in the most senior positions in the justice department. president trump's staff and closest advisors in the white house. members of the president trump's family. his own white house counsel. i've served in congress a long time. i can tell you it's tough for any congressional investigation to obtain evidence like what we received. least of all, such a detailed view into a presidents inner circle. i want to be clear, not all these witnesses were -- to talk to us. some put up quite a fight, but ultimately the vast majority cooperated with our investigation. and what we've shown you over the last four months has been centered on the evidence, evidence that has come overwhelmingly from republican witnesses. so i say to you again, as i did in june, this investigation is not about politics. it's not about party. it's about the facts, plain and simple. and it's about making sure our government functions under the rule of law as our constitution demands. today, as in previous proceedings, my colleagues and i will present new evidence that includes new testimony from additional republicans, who served in the trump administration never before seen footage of congressional leaders on january 6th working to coordinate the response to the violence and ensure that people's business went forward. new materials produced committed by the secret service, details about the ongoing threat to american democracy. today's proceeding will also be grounded in the facts. but it won't look exactly like all our other hearings. we will also take a step back and look at the evidence in a broader context, providing a summary of key facts we've uncovered. facts relevant to former president trump's state of mind, about his motivation, and about his intent. what did president trump know? what was he told? what was his personal and substantial role in the multi part plan to overturn the election? for those of you who watched our prior hearings, some of this evidence will look familiar. for those of you tuning in for the first time, we will summarize some of the most important facts and we urge you to go online and watch our hearing in full. there's one more difference about today pursuant to the notice circulated prior to today's proceedings. we convene today not as a hearing, but as a formal committee business meeting, so that in addition to presenting evidence, we can potentially hold a committed vote on further investigative action, based upon that evidence. before we get to that evidence, i recognize our distinguished vice chair, miss cheney of wyoming, for any opening statements she cares to offer. >> thank you very much, mister chairman. much has happened since our last public hearing on july 21st. as the chairman mentioned, we've received new and voluminous documentation from the secret service, which we continue to analyze. we've received new witness testimony, including about efforts to obstruct our investigation and conceal key facts. according to public reporting, the department of justice has been very active in pursuing many of the issues identified in our prior hearings. our committee may ultimately decide to make a series of criminal referrals to the department of justice. but we recognize that this rule is not make decisions regarding prostitute prosecution. the preamble to our constitution recites, among its purposes, to quote, establish justice. our nations judiciary and our u.s. department of justice have that responsibility. a key element of this committee's responsibility is to propose reforms to prevent january 6th from ever happening again. we've already proposed and the house has now passed a bill to amend the electoral count act, to help ensure that no other future plots to overturn an election can succeed. and we will make further specific recommendations in our final report. , based, in part, on the evidence you will hear today. our hearings last summer began with an outline, of president trump's multi part plan to overturn the 2020 presidential election. we then proceeded to demonstrate each of these elements in detail, with more than 20 hours of evidence. today, we will see new evidence. but as the chairman said, we will also synthesize evidence you've seen before. the vast weight of evidence presented so far has shown us that the central cause of january 6th was one man, donald trump. who many others followed. none of this would've happened without him. he was personally and substantially involved in all of it. exactly how did one man cause all of this? today, we will focus on president trump's state of mind, his intent, his motivations, and how he spurred others to do his bidding. and how another january 6th could happen again if we do not take necessary action to prevent it. as you view our evidence today, i would suggest a focus on the following points. first, as you will see, president trump had a premeditated plan to declare that the election was fraudulent and stolen before election day, before he knew the election results. he made his stolen election claims on election night against the advice of his campaign without any evidence in hand. then, over the next two months, he sought to find those who would help him invent and spread lies about the widespread fraud. many of those who stepped forward to help, including rudy giuliani, knew they never had real evidence sufficient to change the election results. and on the evening of january 5th, they admitted they were still trying to find that phantom evidence. of course, as a result of making intentionally false claims of election fraud, mr. giuliani's license to practice law has been suspended. second, please recognize that president donald trump was in a unique position. better informed about the absence of widespread election fraud that almost any other american. president trump's own campaign experts told him that there was no evidence to support his claims. his own justice department appointees investigated the election fraud claims and told him, point blank, they were false. in mid december 2020, president trump's senior advisers told him, the time had come to concede the election. donald trump knew the courts had ruled against him. he had all of this information, but still, he made the conscious choice to claim fraudulently that the election was stolen. the pressure state officials to change election results, to manufacture fake electoral slates, to attempt to corrupt our department of justice, to cement tens of thousands of supporters to washington, knowing that they were angry, knowing that some of them were armed. he sent them to the capitol. then, as the riot was underway, he incited his supporters to further violence, by publicly condemning his vice president. and then he refused for hours to disband his writing supporters and instruct them to leave the capitol. even when he was begged repeatedly to do so. none of this is normal or acceptable, or lawful in our republic. third, please consider today who had a hand in defeating president trump's efforts to overturn the election. vice president pence, bill barr, jeff rosen, and others from the department of justice. state republican officials, white house staff, who blocked proposals to mobilize the military to, seize voting machines to run new elections, our capital police, aided by the metropolitan police, a, other federal law enforcement, and our national guard who arrive later in the afternoon. all of these people had a hand in stopping donald trump. this leads us to a key question. why would americans assume that our constitution and our institutions in our republic are in vulnerable to another attack? why would we assume that those institutions will not falter next time? a key lesson of this investigation is this. our institutions only hold when men and women of good faith make them hold. regardless of the political cost. we have no guarantee that these men and women will be in place next time. any future president inclined to attempt what donald trump did in 2020 is now learned not to install people who could stand in the way. and also, please consider this. the rulings of our courts are respected and obeyed, because we, as citizens, pledge to accept and honor them. most importantly, our president, who has a constitutional obligation to faithfully execute the laws, swears to accept them. , swears t accept them. what happens when the president describes the courts rulings and the rule of law that [laughs] i felicitations [laughs] breaks the republic ... finally [laughs] as you review the evidence today [laughs] also consider this president trump knew from unassailable sources that his election fraud claims were false ... he admitted that he had lost the election ... he took actions consistent with the belief ... claims that president trump actually thought the election was stolen are not supported by fact and are not a defense ... there is no defense that donald trump was duped or irrational [speaking french] to preserve our constitution and preserve our union [laughs] instead of the constitution that he was trying to subvert ... mister chairman [laughs] the violence and lawlessness of january six was on [speaking french] what i violated both federal and state laws and also disenfranchise millions of voters who lawfully cast their vote ... he called for that action anyway ... this is a fraud on the american public ... ... ... again, this plan to declare victory was in place before any of the results have been determined. >> msnbc's coverage of the january six hearing will continue after the short break. hort break create something new? 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>> on advice from counsel, i respectfully declined to answer your question on the basis of the fifth amendment. >> mr. stone did you have any role in planning for the violence on january six? >> once again, i will assert my fifth amendment right to climb to answer your question. >> although we don't yet have all the relevant records of roger stone's communications, even stones on social media posts acknowledge that he as spoke with donald trump on december 27th as preparations for january six were underway. and this posts you can see how roger stone's talked about conversations with president trump. he wrote i also told the president exactly how he can appoint a special counsel with full subpoena power to ensure those who are attempting to steal the 2020 election through voter fraud are charged and convicted and to ensure donald trump continues as our president. as we know by now, the idea of a special counsel was not just an aisle suggestion. it was something president trump actually tried to do earlier that month. we know that roger stone was at the willard hotel on january 5th and sixth. and we know from other witness testimony that president trump asked his chief of staff, mark meadows, to speak with roger stone and general michael flynn that night. in addition to his connection to president trump. roger stone maintained extensive direct connections to two groups responsible for violently attacking the capitol. the oath keepers and the proud boys. individuals from both of these organizations have been charged with a crime of seditious conspiracy. what is seditious conspiracy? it is a conspiracy to use violent force against the united states. to oppose the lawful authority of the united states. multiple associates of roger stone from both the oh keepers and the proud boys have been charged with this crime. closest associates of roger stone including joshua james have pled guilty to this crime., we know that at least seven oath keepers who have been criminally charged provided personal security -- were seen with him on january six or in the weeks leading up to january 6th. for example, joshua james, the leader of the alabama eight keepers provided security for roger stone and it was with him on january 5th. this is the picture of the two together on january 5th. james entered the capital on january six, assaulted a police officer. earlier this year, he pled guilty to seditious conspiracy and obstruction of congress. another example is the married couple kelly and connie megs. kelly was the leader of the florida chapter of the oath keepers. both he and his wife provided security for roger stone and both are charged with leading a military style stack attack of oath keepers. attacking the capitol on january 6th. perhaps even more disturbing is roger stone's close association with enrique tarrio, the national chairman of the proud boys. roger stone's connection with enrique tarrio and the proud boys is well documented. by video evidence with phone records and select committee has obtained tarrio along with other proud boys has been charged with multiple crimes. concerning the attack on january six including seditious conspiracy. during the attack, tarrio sent a message to other proud boys claiming we did that. he also visited the white house on december 12th. later that day, he posted a disturbing video. claiming credit for the attack. this video posted on january 6th was apparently created prior to the attack. this big lie, president trump's effort to convince americans that he had won at the 2020 election began before the election results even came in. it was intentional, it was premeditated, it was not based on election results or any of evidence of actual fraud affecting the results or any actual problems with voting machines. it was a planned concocted in advance. to convince his supporters that he won. and the people who seemingly knew about that plan in advance would ultimately play a significant role in the events of january 6th. mister chairman, i yield back. >> chairwoman eels back. chair recognizes gentleman from illinois, mr. kinzinger for an opening statement. >> thank, you mister chairman. very shortly after the election, the trump campaign recognize that they had likely lost the election and they informed on trump of that fact. even before the networks called the race for president biden november 7th, his chances of pulling out a victory virtually nonexistent. and president trump knew it. >> do you know if anybody ever told the president that he had lost? and that there wasn't a chance of him winning? >> i know that the president -- when the networks called, it he was informed about the network decision. that afternoon at some point, myself and a handful of other folks on over and said i'm with the president and he communicated that the odds of us prevailing in legal challenges were very small. >> after the election, as of november 7th, in your judgment, what were the chances of president trump winning the election? >> after that point? none. and times, president trump acknowledge the reality of his loss. although he publicly claim that he had won the election, privately he admitted that joe biden will take over as president. there was a few examples of that. >> there's a discussion going on. and the president says i think -- he says words to the effect of we lost, we need to let that issue go to the next guy. meaning president biden. >> i remember maybe a week after the election was called, i popped into the oval just to give the president the headlines to see how he was doing. he was looking at the tv and he said can you believe i lost to the sky? >> he was with me on the 18. -- driving back to the white house and i said does the president really think that he lost? and he said yes. a lot of times he'll tell me that he lost. but he wants to keep fighting it. he thinks that there might be enough -- to overturn the election but he pretty much acknowledge that he has lost. >> knowing that he had lost and that he had only weeks left in office, president trump rush to complete his unfinished business. one key example is this. president trump issued an order for large-scale u.s. troop withdrawals. he disregarded concerns about the consequences for fragile governments on the front lines of the fight against isis and al-qaeda terrorists. knowing he was leaving office, he acted immediately. and signed this order on november 11th which would require the immediate withdrawal of troops from somalia and afghanistan all to be complete before the biden inauguration on january 20th. as you watch these clips, recall the general keith kellogg was the national security adviser to the vice president and has served as chief of staff to the national security council for president trump. general milley was the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff at the pentagon. >> are you familiar with a memo that the president reportedly signed on november 11th, 2020, ordering that troops be withdrawn from afghanistan and somalia? >> yeah. >> so i think you might have seen some things where there is a memo or something from -- johnny mac of eta douglass mcgregor. it says here is your task get u.s. forces out of their. out of somalia, forces out of afghanistan. >> when you first interviewed and met colonel douglas mcgregor, is it fair to say you discussed this decision of withdrawing from somalia and afghanistan, correct? >> yeah, i'm sure that was part of it, yeah. >> the position that he was taking over there was senior adviser to the secretary of defense, is that correct? >> yes. >> so on that same day, just so i'm clear, he responded back to you that they, meaning d. o. d. leadership was not going to do any of those steps without the order. >> without a directive, yeah. >> i explained in language that should be in the order when i was in a meeting with -- this was my answer to him. if you want this to happen or the president wants this to happen, he's got to write in order. >> so you never wrote this down? in any capacity. >> i sketched on a piece of paper for him some key statements. the president directs. this is what's the, rightward boiler plate language. >> who is in his office drafting the order? >> there was myself and one of my assistants. >> he duly types of, bring stunning to the president. president finds it. emailed, scanned over -- >> was it by auto pan or was that the president himself signing it? >> it was the president. >> and who obtained that signature? >> i did. >> it is odd. it is not standard. it is potentially dangerous. i personally thought it was militarily not feasible nor wise. >> i proceeded to tell -- proceeded to tell mcgregor some that if i ever saw anything like that, i would do something physical. because i thought what that was doing was a tremendous disservice to the nation. by the way, that was a very contested issue. there were people who -- did not agree with getting out of afghanistan. i appreciate the concern. an immediate departure that memo said it would've been a catastrophic. it's the same thing with president biden went through. it would've been a debacle. >> keep in mind, the order was for an immediate withdrawal. it would have then -- been catastrophic. and yet, president trump signed the order. these are the highly consequential actions of a president who knows his term will surely end. at the same time the president trump was acknowledging privately that he had lost the election, he was hearing that there was no evidence of fraud or irregularities sufficient to change the outcome. >> i remember a call with mr. meadows where mr. meadows was asking me what i was finding a nurse i was finding anything. i remember sharing with him that we weren't finding anything that would be sufficient to change the results in any of the key states. >> when was that conversation? >> probably in november. mid to late november. i think it was more for my child was born. >> what was mr. meadows's reaction to that information? >> i believe the words he used to were so there is no there, there. it would be our job to track it down and come out drive because the allegation did not prove to be true. and weed have to relay the news that yeah, that tip that someone told you about those votes or that fraud nothing came of it. it would be our job -- the truth telling squad and not a fun job. it's an easier job telling the president about allegations. it's harder to tell him on the back and that's wasn't true. >> what was generally discussed on that topic was whether the fraud abuse or irregularities -- would that be outcome determinative? and i think everyone's assessment in the room. at least among the staff marc short, myself and greg j. pope, was that it was not sufficient to be outcome determinant. >> it's the right of any candidate to litigate genuine election disputes. nobody argues that. but president trump's litigation was completely unsuccessful. our past hearings, we told you that the committee has filed a total of 62 election lawsuits filed by the trump campaign and its allies between a november 4th and january six of 2021. those cases resulted in the 61 losses. and only a single victory which did not affect the outcome for any candidate. the claims were not supported by any evidence of fraud or irregularities. in fact, they were baseless as judges repeatedly recognized and none of these 62 cases was president trump able to establish any viable claims of election fraud sufficient to overturn the results of the election. in those hearings, we shared with you the words used by judges around the country in rejecting the trump campaign's claims. it's strong language, criticizing the lack of evidence to re-support for the claims of election fraud in those lawsuits. for example, the federal appeals court in pennsylvania wrote, quote, charges require specific allegations and proof. we have neither here. a federal judge in wisconsin wrote, quote, the court has allowed the former president the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits. another judge in michigan claims, quote, nothing but speculation and conjecture that votes for president trump were either destroyed, discarded, or switched to votes for vice president biden. a federal judge in michigan sanctioned nine attorneys including sydney powell, for making frivolous allegations and an election fraud case. describing the case as a historic and profound abuse of the judicial process. recently, a group of distinguished a republican election lawyers, former judges and elected officials, issued a report findings the rules of the courts. in their report entitled lost, not stolen, these prominent republicans analyze each election challenge and concluded this. donald trump and his supporters failed to present evidence of fraud or inaccurate results significant enough to invalidate the results of the 2020 presidential election. on december 11th, trump's allies lost a lawsuit in the u.s. supreme court that he regarded as his last chance at success in the courts. a newly obtained secret service message from that day shows how angry president trump was about the outcome. quote, just fyi, potus it is pissed. break a news, supreme court denied his lawsuit. he's livid now. cassidy hutchinson, an aide to the chief of staff, mark meadows, was present for that conversation and described it in this way. >> this is the day the supreme court had rejected that case. mr. meadows and i were in the white house residence at a christmas reception. and as we were walking back from the christmas reception that evening, the president was walking out of the oval office. we crossed paths in the rose garden colony. president was fired up about the supreme court decision and so i was sitting next to mr. meadows, i stepped back so i was probably two, three feet -- diagonal from him. the president just raging about the decision, how it's wrong, and why there weren't calls and, you know, just these typical anger outbursts at this decision. the president said, so, he had said something to the effect of, i don't want people to know we lost, mark. this is embarrassing. figure it out, we need to figure it out. i don't want people to know we lost. >> our country is a country of laws where every person, including the president, has to follow the law and respect the judgment of our courts. president trump's closest advisers held that view both then and now. >> well, do you believe the president should abide by the ruling to the courts? >> oh yes, we should all comply with the law at all times to the best of our ability. everyone. >> once the courts had ruled in the electoral college had met, the election was over in your view? >> he has, i think i've said previously that when the vice president made the certification and the litigation was complete it was complete. >> when the electoral college met on the 14th, -- >> yes, as of december 14th, is that right? that's the right date. yes. >> i assume, pat, that you would agree the president is obligated to abide by the rulings of the courts. >> of course. >> and i assume you also -- >> everybody is obligated to abide by the rules of the courts. >> and i assume you also would agree the president has a particular obligation to take care of the laws, be faithfully executed. >> that is one of the presidents obligations, correct. >> ivanka, do you believe the president is obligated to abide by the rulings in courts? >> i do. >> by mid december of 2020, president trump senior staff or attempting to persuade him to concede the election outcome. >> but if you're questioned is that i believe he should concede the election at a point in time, yes, i did. >> december 14th was the day that the state certified the votes and sent them to congress. and in my view, that was the end of the matter. i didn't see, you know, i thought that this would lead inexorably to a new administration. i told him that my personal viewpoint was that the electoral college had met, which is the system that our country is set under to elect a president and vice president, and i believed at that point that the means for him to pursue litigation was probably closed. >> and you recall what his response, if any, was. >> he disagreed. secretary of labor, jean scalia, the son of late justice scalia, explain to trump in mid december the situation clearly. >> so, i put a call into the president. i made a call on the 13th, we spoke, i believe, on the 14th. in which i conveyed to him that i thought that it was time for him to acknowledge that president biden had prevailed in the election. but i communicated to president -- when that legal process it's exhausted and when the electors have voted, that that is the point in which that outcome needs to be expected. i told him that i did believe, yes, that once those legal processes were run, if fraud had not been established, that had affected the outcome of the election, unfortunately i believe what had to be done was concede the outcome. >> not only to the courts reject president trump's fraud and other allegations, his department of justice appointees, including bill barr, jeffrey rosen, and richard donahue, did as well. president trump knew the truth. he heard what all his experts and senior staff were telling him. he knew he had lost the election, but he made the deliberate choice to ignore the courts, to ignore the justice department, to ignore his campaign leadership, to ignore senior advisers, and to pursue a completely unlawful effort to overturn the election. his intent was plain, ignore the rule of law and stay in power. mister chairman, i yield back. >>. if you're loud, be louder. if you stand out, stand strong. and if you got the devil on your shoulder... take him for a ride. research shows that people remember ads with young people having a good time. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a pool party. look what i brought! liberty mutual! they customize your home insurance... so you only pay for what you need! ♪young people having a good time with insurance.♪ ♪young people.♪ ♪good times.♪ ♪insurance!♪ only pay for what you need. ♪liberty liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. fasenra is not a rescue medication or for other eosinophilic conditions. fasenra may cause allergic reactions. get help right away if you have swelling of your face, mouth and tongue, or trouble breathing. don't stop your asthma treatments unless your doctor tells you to. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection or your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. ask your doctor about fasenra. we really had our hands full with our two-year-old. so naturally, we doubled down with a new puppy. thankfully, we also have new tide ultra-oxi with odor eliminators. between stains and odors, it can handle double trouble. for the #1 stain fighter and odor remover, it's got to be tide. 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he was personally and directly involved. of course, a key element of the plan was continuing to convince tens of millions of americans that he did not, in fact, lose. again, he did this even though his own campaign advisers and his justice department officials told him, his claims of fraud were wrong. in this video, you will see that even one top lot enforcement officials told the president his election fraud claims were false, he still repeated the claims in the days and weeks that followed. sometimes, even the very next they. >> i specifically raised the the minion voting machines, which i found to me the most disturbing allegations, disturbing in the sense that i saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations. i told him that it was crazy stuff and they were wasting their time. and he was doing a great, grave disservice to the country. >> we have a company that's very suspect. its name is dominion with a turn of a dial, with the change of a chip, you can press a button for trump and the vote goes to biden. what kind of a system is this? >> we definitely talked about -- again, that was sort of done at that point. because the hand recount had been done and all that. we cited back that to say, you know, this is example of what people are telling you on what's being filed in some of these court filings, that are just not supported by the evidence and this is the problem, the problem is people keep telling you these things and they turn out not to be true. >> in addition, there is the highly troubling matter of dominion voting systems. in one michigan county alone, 6000 votes were switched from trump to biden. the same systems are used in the majority of states in our country. >> i went into this and would, you know, tell him how crazy some of these allegations were. how ridiculous some of them were. i'm talking about some of the things like, you know, more votes, more absentee votes were cast in pennsylvania than there were absentee ballots requested. you know, stuff like that. it was easy to blow up. there was never an indication of interest in what the actual facts were. >> there were more votes than there were voters. think of that. you had more votes than you had voters. that's an easy one to figure. and it's by the thousands. >> then he raised the big vote dump, as he called, it in detroit. and that, you know, he said people saw boxes coming into the counting station in all hours of the morning. i said, mister president, there are 630 precincts and detroit, and unlike elsewhere in the state, they centralize the counting process so they are not counting in each precinct. they were moved to counting stations, and so the normal process would involve boxes coming in and all different hours. >> this is michigan. that's 6:31 in the morning. a vote dump of 149, 000, 772 votes came in. unexpectedly. >> with regard to georgia, we looked at the tape, we interviewed the witnesses, there is no suitcase. the president kept fixating on this suitcase that supposedly had fraudulent balance and the suitcase was rolled out from under the table. and i said, no sir, there is no suitcase. you can watch that video over and over, there is no suitcase. there's a wheel in, where they carry the ballots, and that's just how they move ballots around that facility. there's nothing suspicious about that at all. >> election officials pulled boxes democrats and suitcases of ballots out from under a table. you all side on television. totally fraudulent. >> this happened over and over again, and our committees report will document it. purposeful lies made it public directly at odds with what donald trump knew from unassailable sources. the justice department's own investigations and his own campaign. donald trump maliciously repeated this nonsense to a wide audience over and over again. his intent was to deceive. president trump's plan also involved trying to course government officials to change the election outcome in the states he lost. he personally reached out to numerous state officials and pressured them to take unlawful steps to alter the election results in those states. these actions, taken directly by the president himself, made it clear what his intentions were. to prevent the orderly transfer of power. we all recall, for example, president trump's tape recorder call with georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger. at the time this call occurred, president trump had already been told repeatedly by the u. s. justice department, by his campaign, and by his advisors, that is allegations of fraud in georgia or false. >> so look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. look, we need only 11,000 votes. we have far more than that as it stands now. we will have more and more, so what are we going to do here, folks? i only need 11,000 votes, fellas, i need 11,000 votes. give me a break. >> i just want to find 11,780 votes. that's an extraordinary demand by the president, especially since he already knew from the justice department there was no genuine basis with this request. no one could think it would be legal for the secretary of state to simply find the votes the president needed, in order to win. secretary raffensperger told the president the truth, that he lost the election in georgia. but president trump did not accept that answer. instead, he suggested that secretary raffensperger himself might be prosecuted. >> that's the thing, you know, that's a criminal offense. and, you know, you can't let that happen. that's a big risk to you and to ryan. your lawyer, that's a big risk. >> we know that president trump's white house advisers reacted negatively. immediately after the call, cassidy hutchinson had a conversation with chief of staff, mark meadows. >> i'm broken hearted. mark, you can't possibly think we are going to pull this off. that call was crazy and -- shaking his head he's like no,, -- he knows it's over. he knows he lost. but we are going to keep trying, there are some good options out there still. we are going to keep trying. >> this call and other related activity is now the focus of an ongoing criminal investigation in fulton county, georgia. georgia is not the only state where president trump tried to pressure state officials to change the results. he also attempted to pressure state officials in arizona, pennsylvania, and michigan, to change the results in those states as well. while president trump was pressuring state officials, he was also trying to use the department of justice to change the election results. his top officials told him that there was no evidence to support his claims of fraud, but he did not care. as he told them, just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congress. when these officials would not do what he said, president trump embarked on an effort to install jeff clark as acting attorney general. solely because he would do what others in the department would not do. we know that trump was doing so for a specific purpose. so, clark could corruptly employ the justice department's authority to help persuade the states to flip electoral votes. for example, richard donahue and jeff rosen both appointed by president trump learned of mr. clark's proposal. here's why they said they forcefully rejected it. >> i recall towards the end saying, what you are proposing is nothing less than the united states justice department meddling in the outcome of the presidential election. more importantly, this was not based on fact. this was actually contrary to the facts as developed by the department of investigations over the last several weeks and months. our response to that, and for the department to insert itself into the political process this way, i think, would have had grave consequences for the country. it may very well have spiraled us into a constitutional crisis. >> we know from our investigation that president trump offered jeff clark the position of acting attorney general. and that jeff clark had decided to accept it. the only reason this ultimately did not happen is that the white house counsel, and a number of justice department officials, confronted the president in the oval office and threatened mass resignation. >> and then can i say something to the effect of, you are going to have a huge personal blowout within hours. because you will have all kinds of problems with resignations and other issues, and that's not good for anyone's interests. >> the president ultimately relented, only because the entire leadership of the department of justice, as well as his white house counsel, threatened to resign. mister chairman, i yield back. >> gentlewoman yields back. the chair recognizes the gentlewoman from florida, mrs. murphy, on the opening statement. >> thank you, mister chairman. president trump's efforts to unlawfully overturn the results of the 2020 election were not limited to the big lie, and pressuring state officials in the department of justice officials. another key part of the presidents effort was a scheme to assemble fake electors to cast false electoral votes in the states that president trump lost. this was something done not only with the president's knowledge, but also with his direct participation. ronna mcdaniel, chair of the republican national committee, testified before this committee that president trump and his attorney, dr. john eastman, called her and asked her to arrange for the fake electors to meet and rehearse the process of casting their fake votes. >> when i received the call, again, i don't remember the exact date. it was from the white house wish board and it was president trump who had contacted me. >> and did president trump have anyone else on the line with him? >> he introduced me to a gentleman named john eastman. so, i vaguely remember him mentioning that he was a professor and then essentially, he turned the call over to mr. eastman, who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gather these contingent electors, in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing change the result of any of the dates. >> these fake electors were ultimately part of the presidents plan to replace genuine biden electors with trump electors on january 6th. as part of this plan, the false electoral slates were sent to the national archives and to the capitol. the fix electors plan was also tied to another plan, the coercive pressure campaign to make vice president, mike pence, reject or refuse to count certain biden electoral votes, so that president donald trump would, quote, win reelection instead. here is what vice president pence has said about the statement. >> president trump said i have the right to overturn the election. but president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. the presidency belongs to the american people, and the american people alone. frankly, there is no idea more un-american than the notion that any one person could choose the american president. >> make no mistake, president trump knew that what he was demanding vice president pence do was illegal. he was informed of this repeatedly and specifically on january 4th. even his lawyer, john eastman, admitted in front of president trump, that this plan would break the law by violating the electoral count act. >> did john eastman ever admit, or as you know, in front of the president, that his proposal would violate the electoral count act? >> i believe he did on the fourth. >> >> and doctor eastman confirmed this in writing. recall this email written on january 6th, and which vice president pence's counsel asked doctor eastman, did you advise the president that, in your professional judgment, vice president does not have power to decide things unilaterally? doctor eastman replied, he's been so advised. of course, president trump's own white house counsel had, pat cipollone, also recognize that this plan was on lawful. here's mr. cipollone's testimony. >> gentlewoman yields back. the chair recognizes the gentleman from california, mr. schiff, for an opening statement. >> thank you, mister chairman. in our past hearings, you've seen direct evidence that president trump said to a crowd of his supporters to the capitol on january six, knowing they were armed and angry. this was the last, most desperate, and dangerous prong that was planned to disrupt the joint session and prevent the orderly transition of power. on the morning of the sixth, the secret service was at the ellipse screening the members of the crowd as they entered the rally site. and they notice something significant of the crowd. tens of thousands of people were outside the rally site, but did not want to go through the magnetometer's, metal detectors that were used to screen for dangerous weapons. since our last hearings, the select committee has received greater cooperation from the secret service. nevertheless, secret service text messages from this period were erased in the days and months following the attack on the capitol. even though documents and materials related to january six had already been requested by the department of justice and congress. but we were able to obtain nearly 1 million emails recordings, and other electronic records, from the secret service. over the month of august, the select committee began its review of hundreds of thousands of pages. multiple hours of that material, providing substantial new evidence about what happened on january 6th and the days leading up to it. that review continues,. what you are about here is just a sample of the new and relevant evidence that we have received. mounting evidence before january 6th predicted violence and not just violence genuinely generally, but violence directed at the capitol. intelligence about this risk was directly available to the u.s. secret service and others of the white house. in advance, the ellipse speech, in advance of the march to the capital. the committee has shown evidence that president trump was aware of the risks of violence. the fbi, u.s. capitol police, metropolitan police, and other agencies, all gathered and disseminated intelligence suggesting the possibility of violence at the capitol prior to the riot. we are now going to show you just a sample of the evidence we have received. days before january 6th, the president's senior advisers at the department of and fbi, for example, received an intelligence summary that included material indicating that certain people traveling to washington were making plans to attack the capitol. this summer, he noted online calls to occupy federal buildings. rhetoric about invading the capitol building, and plans to arm themselves in and to engage in political violence at the event. other agencies were also hearing predictions suggesting possible violence at the capitol. on the call with president trump's white house national security staff in early january, 2021, deputy secretary defense, david norquist, had warned about the potential that the capital would be the target of the attack. here's general mark milley, who was also present for this call, describing deputy secretary norquist's warning. so, during these calls, i only remember -- because he was always so clairvoyant. norquist says during one of these calls, the greatest threat is the direct assault on the capitol. -- >> this email, for example, was an alert that the secret service received on december 24th, with the heading, armed and ready, mister president. according to the intelligence, multiple users online were targeting members of congress, instructing others to march into the chambers on january 6th and make sure they know who to fear. in this report received on december 26th, the secret service field office related a tip that had been received by the fbi. according to the source of the tip, the proud boys planned to march, armed, into d. c.. they think that they will have a large enough group to march into d. c., armed, the source reported, and will outnumber the police, so they can't be stopped. the source went on to say, their plan is to literally kill people. please, please take this tip seriously and investigate further. the source also made clear that the proud boys had detailed their plans on multiple websites, like the donald dot net. let's pause here. the secret service had advanced information, more than ten days beforehand, regarding the proud boys plans for january 6th. we know now, of course, that the proud boys and others did leave the assault on our capitol building. on december 31st, agents circulated intelligence reports that president trump supporters have proposed a movement to occupy capitol hill. in particular, they flag spikes in violent hashtags like, we are the storm, 1776 rebel, and occupy the capitals. on january 5th, the secret service opened source units like the social media account from the donald dot win. that threatened to bring a sniper rifle to a rally on january 6th. the user also posted a picture of a handgun and rifle with the caption, sunday gun day, relating overwatch january six will be wild. later, on the evening of january 5th, the secret service learned during an fbi brief that right wing groups were establishing armed q r f's, or quick reaction forces, readying to deploy for january 6th. groups like the oath keepers were standing by at the ready, should potus request assistance. by invoking the interaction pack, agents were informed. as we all know now, the oath keepers did play a specific role in january six. and had such weapons in virginia before the violence of the evening. also on that day, the secret service was riding its security precautions for the presidents speech at the ellipse the next day. the secret service deputy chief instructed agents to add certain objects to the list of items that would be prohibited at the rally site. including ballistic vests, tactical vests, armored or not, and ballistic helmets. by the morning of january 6th, it was clear that the secret service anticipated violence. it felt like the calm before the storm, one agent predicted in a protective intelligence division chat group. another remarked how agents were watching the crazies on livestream. by 909 that morning, the secret service could also see that many rally goers were assembled outside the security perimeter. one agent emailed, possibly because they have stuff they couldn't come through, but probably be an issue with this crowd. just a thought. by 9:30 that morning, agents reported more than 25,000 people outside the rally site. an hour later, the secret service reported that the crowd was on them all watching, but not in line. the head of the president secret service protective detail, robert engel, was specifically aware of the large crowds -- the magnetometer's. pass that information along to tony ornato, who worked for mark meadows and the chief of staff's office. the documents we obtained from the secret service make clear that the crowd outside the magnetometer's were armed and the agents knew it. take a look at what they were seeing in the hearing on the ground. one report from the rally site at 7:58 am said, some members of the crowd are wearing ballistic helmets, body armor, carrying a radio equipment and military grade backpacks. another from 9:30 am said, that there were possibly oh c-spray, meaning pepper spray, and or plastic riot shields. at 11:23 am, agents also reported possible armed individuals. one with a glock, one with a rifle. over the next hour, agents reported possible man with a gun report, confirmed pistol on hip located in a tree, and one detained at 14th and high street northwest, individual had an assault rifle on his person. minutes before president trump began his speech, members of the federal protective service, and agency tasked with protecting federal buildings, were alerted about an arrest of a protester with a gun on his waist. during the speech, the weapons related arrests continued. at 12:13 pm, united states park police arrested a man with a rifle in front of the world war ii memorial. these agents remarked on the number of weapons that had been seized that they, speculating that the situation could get worse. with so many weapons found so far, you wonder how many are unknown, one agent wrote at 12:36 am. could be sporty after dark. at 12:47 pm, another agent responded, no doubt. the people at the ellipse saw that they are moving to the capitol after the potus speech. as the documents we received made clear, the secret service was aware the weapons possessed by those gathered at rallies in d. c., as early as the evening before. take this document, for instance, which details multiple arrests in the crowds demonstrating on january 5th. those arrests were -- handguns, high capacity feeding devices, ammunition. what the secret service saw on the sixth was entirely consistent with the violent rhetoric circulating in the days before the -- on pro-trump websites. at times, amplified by the presidents own advisers. when one of these sites, as you've heard, one of those was called the donald dot win. the subcommittee has obtained a text message that jason miller, a senior communications adviser, sent to mark meadows less than a week before january 6th. i got the basement fired up, he wrote, in all caps. he sent a link to this page on the donald dot win. the linked web page had comments about the joint session of congress on january 6th. take a look at some of those comments. gallows, don't require electricity. if the filthy cami maggots tried to push their fraud through, there will be to pay. how are lawmakers and congress will leave one of two ways. one, in a body bag, two, after rightfully certifying trump the winner. mr. miller claimed that he had no idea of the hundreds of comments like these and the link they sent to mark meadows. >> if i had seen something like that, i probably would've looked into someone at the, if i had seen some of that nature, i would've seen we have to flag this for secret service or something of that nature. >> the trump administration was aware of this type of violent rhetoric prior to january 6th. in fact, as we have seen, the secret service and other agencies knew of the prospect of violence well in advance of the presidents speech at the ellipse. despite this, certain white house and secret service witnesses previously testified that they had received no intelligence about violence that could have potentially threatened any of the protectees on january 6th, including the vice president. evidence strongly suggests that this testimony is not credible, and the committee is reviewing additional material from secret service, their sources. secret service was monitoring this kind of online activity, and was sharing and receiving -- they worked closely with other agencies, sharing intelligence from the joint session of congress -- social media and other sources. the same day, jason miller sent his text message, agents received reports about a spike in activity on another board platform called parlor. this was december 30th. in this email, an agent received rubber report noting, a lot of violent rhetoric on parliament directed at government people and entities. including secret service protectees. one of these protectees was vice president pence. perhaps the primary target of president trump's pressure campaign in the days leading up to january 6th. the day before the joint session, on january -- secret service was aware of increased chatter focused on vice president pence. in particular, whether he would do what president trump wanted him to do, reverse the results of the election in an open session the next day on january 6th. on the morning of the sixth, the agents received reports of online threats that vice president pence would be, quote, a dead man walking if he doesn't do the right thing. another agent reported, quote, i sought several other alerts saying they will storm the capitol if he doesn't do the right thing. the anger reflected in these postings was obvious the man at the center of storm on january 6th, president trump. on the evening of january 5th, president trump gathered a few of his communication staffers in the oval office. the door was open, allowing the president and others assembled there too hear the sound of the crowd gathered at freedom plaza, just a few blocks from the white house. president trump could tell that his supporters were riled up. here again is -- the white house press secretary, describing the presidents reaction. >> he fairly quickly moved to how fired up the crowd is. or it was going to be. >> what did he say about it? >> just that they were fired up, they were angry, they feel like the election was stolen, that the election was rigged, that he went on and on about that. >> yes, the president knew the crowd was angry because he had stoked that anger. he knew that they believed that the election had been rigged and stolen, because he had told them falsely that it handed rigged and stolen. and by the time he cited that angry mob to march on the capitol, he knew they were armed and dangerous. all the better to stop the peaceful transfer of power. mister chairman, i yield back. >> gentleman yields back. at this point, in our meeting, we >> gentleman yields back. at this point, in our meeting, we will take a brief recess. near that the crowd with. angry that they were armed and dangerous. and they knew that they were going to the capitol. it's important to understand the length that the president was willing to go to physically be at the capitol because it was a part of his strategy to disrupt congress into stay in power. is that the time for the ellipse rally approached, any male was circulated among intelligence officials, including secret service intelligence officials attaching communications among rally goers that's pacifica contemplated violence. trump has given us marching orders one post on the donald dot wind wrote basically for east of the mississippi, you can and should be there. advance on the capitol and keep reagan said in don't mess around, full case, 180 rounds minimum. for the main rifle, another mainly for sidearm and foreperson. what is clear, from this record is at the white house had more than enough warning to warrant stopping any plans for an ellipse rally and certainly, for stopping any march to the capitol. and as evidence from our prior hearings that suggested, president was there where of this situation. but despite awareness of the potential for violence and weapons among the crowd, phillips event nevertheless went forward. and donald trump instructed, the angry crowd, some of whom were armed to march to the capitol. as my colleague mr. shift described, this secret service reported that thousands in the crowd, near the washington monument would not enter the raleigh area because magnetometer shoes and screening attendees would detect any prohibited i'll dims that carry. mr. trump knew this, his secret service had told him about it that morning. >> even in spite of these warnings, cassidy hutchinson overheard the president say this, shortly before he took stage. >> he wanted it full and he was angry that we were not letting through the magnet departments. what the secret service teams as weapons, and what our weapons i was in the vicinity of a conversations where the president say among five times, and i don't think they have weapons. they are not here to hurt, may take the mags away let my people, in they can march the capitol from here. let the people in, take the effing mags away. >> and when he went on stage, president trump, himself, asked law enforcement to lead his supporters in the rally site. -- >> i would love to have, if those tens of thousands of people would be allowed the military, secret service, and we want to thank you, and the police and law enforcement, great, you are doing a great job. but i would love it if they could be allowed to come up here with us. is that possible? can you just let him come up, please? >> president trump then told his supporters to march to the capital. let's pause at this point to consider president trump's state of mind. his motivation at this moment. by that point, it was known to secret service that members of the crowd were armed. president trump had been told, and there was no doubt that president trump knew what he was going to do. sending an angry mob, a number of whom are clad in tactical gear and military garb, armed with various weapons, to the capitol. there is no scenario where that action is benign. there's no scenario where an american president should've engaged in that conduct. it did not matter whether president trump believed the election had been stolen or not, this could not be justified on any basis for any reason. you may also recall testimony from our summer hearings regarding mr. trump's efforts to lead the mob to the capitol himself. in his angry altercation won the presidential suv, when the secret service told him it was far too dangerous for him to go. as we detailed in testimony from the metropolitan police, and white house personnel during our july 21st hearing, information about altercation was widely known. so widely known that one former white house employee with national security responsibilities, explained that this information was, in fact, water cooler talk in the white house complex. that professional told us, they remember hearing in the days after january 6th, how angry the president was. when he was in a limo that afternoon. that professional also testified they were specifically informed of the presidents irate behavior in the suv by mr. ornato. and mr. ornato's office. it was mr. angle, with mr. ornado in that office,. they had expressed to me that the president was irate, you know? on the drive up. mr. engle did not deny the fact that the president was irate. that, of course, corresponds closely with the testimony you saw it this summer. cassidy hutchinson, metropolitan police officer, who was in the motorcade and from multiple sources. additionally, after concluding its review of the voluminous additional secret service communications from january 5th and january 6th, committee will be recalling witnesses and conducting further investigative depositions based on that material. following that activity, we will provide even greater detail in our final report. and i will also note this. the committee is reviewing testimony regarding potential obstruction on this issue, including testimony about advice given not to tell the committee about the specific topic. we will address this matter in our report. we also want to remind you now of how security professionals working in the white house complex, and who reported to national security officials, responded when they learned that mr. trump intended to lead the mob to the capitol. >> to be completely honest, we were all under -- [inaudible] president trump, still considering traveling to the capital, even after returning to the white house. he knew well before 2 pm that a violent riot was underway at the capitol. he was aware of the ongoing lawlessness. his motorcade was held with west executive avenue outside the white house, because he still wanted to join the crowd. presidential basilica traveling to the capitol even after returning to the white house. you know i'll before tweet, pm violent riot was underway at the capitol. he was aware of the ongoing lawlessness. as motorcade was held on west executive avenue, outside of the white house because he still wanted to join the crowd. here is kayleigh mcenany, the white house press secretary describing in exchange she had with the president as soon as he arrived back at the white house. >> so it's the best of my recollection, i recall him being, wanting to saying that he wanted to physically walk and be a part of the march. and then saying that he would ride the beast if he needed. to ride in the presidential limo. >> from the secret service, the select committee is also obtained important new evidence on this issue. it shows how frantic this hour must have been for the secret service, scrambling to get the president of the united states to back down from a dangerous and reckless decision. a put people in harm's way. take a look at the secret service email from 1:19 pm, on january 6th. the minute that president trump got out of the presidential vehicle, back at the white house. as soon as the president left his motorcade, leadership from the secret service contacted bobby engle. the lead agent for the presidential detail. and warned that there were quote, concerned about and otr, an off-the-record movement to the capitol. the people sworn to protect the safety of the president of the united states and who routinely put themselves in harm's way, where convinced that this was a bad idea. secret service documents also revealed how agents were poised to take president trump to the capitol later that afternoon. agents were instructed to non protective gear, and prepare for a movement. a few minutes later, they were told that the president would leaf or capital into hours. was not until 1:55 pm, the president lead secret service agent told them to stand down. we are not doing it out er to the capitol. by, then riders have breached the capitol and were violently attacking the efforts of the brave men and women in lawson forsman trying to resist the mob. president trump may not have known to the capitol on january 6th, but what he did from the white house could not be justified. while congressional leaders, both democrats and republicans, worked with vice president pence to try and address the violence, president trump refused urgent pleas for help from nearly everyone around him. what he did do only made the situation worse. mister chairman, i yield back. >> the gentleman yields back. the chair recognizes the gentleman from maryland. mister raskin, for an opening statement. >> thank you, mister chairman. the president was still -- his supporters at the ellipse to go fight like heck at 12:50, around the time that the first wave of riders first breached barricades defending the capitol. the secret service documents we recently received, give a timeline of precisely what the white house knew and when. at 1:19, the presidents emergency operation center sent an email to secret service national security and military advisers, the president and vice president, informing them that, quote, hundreds of trump supporters stormed through metal barricades at the back of the capital building about 1 pm wednesday, running past security guards and breaking fences. the president returned to the white house around 1:20, he entered the oval office and was told right then about the onset of violence at the capitol. from that point until approximately 4 pm, over the next two hours and 40 minutes, the white house -- president state -- and watched this unprecedented assault take place at the capitol. we have testimony from several members of the presidents white house staff, establishing that president trump refused entreaties from his closest advisers and family members, to tell his supporters to stand down and leave the capitol. here's the testimony of president trump's white house counsel, pat cipollone. mr. cipollone's testimony is corroborated my mother white -- a public announcement that they need to leave the capitol. >> and could you let us, how approximately when did he say that? >> approximately? when almost immediately when i found out people were getting into the capital, we're approaching the capitol in a way that was was violent. >> you on the staff who did not want people to leave the capitol. >> on the staff? >> i cannot think of anybody, on that they did want people to get out of the capital once the violent started. no. what about the president? >> well she said the staff. so i answer that. >> no i said in the white house. >> oh i am sorry, i apologize that you said who else on the staff. >> yeah i can't reveal the communications but obviously i think, you know. yeah. >> mr. cipollone's testimony cooperated by other staff members, including cassidy hutchinson. . here is miss hutchinson describing what she heard from mark meadows >> he had said something to the effect of, you heard him, pat. he doesn't want to do anything more, he doesn't think they are doing anything wrong. >> a former white house employee with national security duties similarly recalled an exchange between mr. cipollone and eric herschmann about president trump's inaction against the mob assault underway at the capitol. >> mr. herschmann said something to mr. cipollone, he seemed to relay that, you know, the president didn't want anything done. throughout this period, something the presidents most important political allies, family members, and senior staff, all begged him to tell his supporters to disperse and go home. they included sean hannity, laura ingraham, and other allies at fox news. his son, don trump jr., that is minority leader, kevin mccarthy, others in congress and officials in the cabinet and executive branch. all of them made appeals to donald trump, which he rejected, and he ignored. the select committee interviewed several people who are in the dining room with donald trump that afternoon, and every single one of these witnesses told us that he was watching the violent battles rage on television. we did not call it secretary of defense with the national guard, the chief of the capitol police, or the chief of the metropolitan police department. >> to your knowledge, was the president in that private dining room the whole time that the attack on the capitol was going on? or did he ever, go to your knowledge, to the oval office? to the white house situation room? anywhere else? >> to the best of my recollection, he was always in the dining room. >> whether they say? mr. presidents and i'll during that brief encounter what do you recall? >> he was watching tv. >> do you know what their is watching to be in the dining room when you talk to him while dinner at six? >> that's my understanding that he was watching television. >> when you are in the dining room, and these discussions, was the violent capital principle on the screen on the television? >> yes. as the president watched the bloody attack unfold on fox news, -- stepped into the gigantic leadership void -- what you are about to seize previously unseen footage of congressional leaders, both republicans and democrats, as they were taken to a secure location during the riot. you'll see how everyone involved was working actively to stop the violence, to get a federal law enforcement deployed to the scene to put down the violence and secure the capital complex. not just democrats like speedster nancy pelosi and house majority leader -- but vice president pence, mitch mcconnell, jody whip john thumb and countless across the ministration, all of them did what president trump was not doing, what he simply refuse to do. take a listen. >> they're taking that not a snap folding. unless we're getting -- >> a door has been breached, and people are getting access into the capital. >> we have got to finish the proceedings >> usa! >> senator schumer is a secure location -- >> there has to be some way we can maintain the sense that people have that there is some security, some confidence that government can function and that we can elect the president of the united states. can we go back into session? >> we go back into session but now apparently everybody on the floor is putting on gas mask to prepare for a breach. >> they're putting on their? >> tear gas mask. >> do you believe this? do you believe this? >> i can't. >> we need an area for the house members -- >> [inaudible] >> and when a call up the acting secretary at the d.o.d., we have senators stored -- massive personal now. can you get the national guard to come to? >> i have something to say, mister secretary, i am going to call the mayor of washington, d.c. right now and see what other the police departments have set, that the lawyer as mentioned. in i governor, this is nancy. governor, i don't know if you had been approached about the national guard. mr. hoyer connectedness of mayor hogan, but i suspect you need the okay at the federal government and older to come into another jurisdiction? thank you. oh my gosh, they are just breaking windows, doing all kinds of -- they said somebody was shot. it is horrendous. all at the instigation of the president of the united states. okay thank you, governor appreciate what you are doing. if you don't mind, i'd like to stay in touch. thank you. >> the virginia guard has been colten. >> i just spoke to the governor, and what he said is that they said 200 of the state police and a unit of the national guard, they're breaking windows and going in, obviously, ransacking our offices and all that, that's nothing. the concern we have about personal safety is that it transcends everything, but the fact is, on any given day, they're breaking the law in many different ways. quite frankly, much of it at the instigation of the president of the united states. now, if he could -- >> why don't you get the president to tell them to leave the capital, mister attorney general, in your law forsman responsibility? the public statement that they should all leave. >> [inaudible] >> this cannot be that we are waiting for so and so, we need them there now, whoever you got. >> this is benny hoyer, also have troops there. air force base, other military bases, we need activity national guard. >> houston in the future kenya have the place evacuated? you know cleaned out? >> i don't want to speak for the leadership that's going to be, that's responsible for executing the operation. so i'm not going to say that. >> we'll just pretend, just pretend for a moment that it went to the pentagon or the white house or some other entity that was under siege and let me say you can logistically get people there as you make the plan. >> [inaudible] >> but trying to figure out how we can get this job done today. we talked to mitch about earlier. he's not in the room right now, but he was with us earlier. and set, yeah, we want to expedite this and hopefully they can confine it to just one complaint, arizona, and then we can vote, and that would be, you know, just move forward with the rest of the state. the overriding wishes to do it at the capitol. what we are being told very directly is it's gonna take days for the capitol to be okay again. we've gotten a very bad report about the condition of the house floor. there is deprecation and all that kind of thing, as well. i don't think that's that hard to clean up, but i do think is more from a security standpoint and making sure that everybody is out of the building and how long will that take? i just got off with the vice president. >> and i got off with the vice president elect. >> okay, but what we left the conversation with, because he said he had the impression from mitch that they want everybody back to do it there. i set we are getting a counter point that it could take time to clean up the pooh-pooh that they're making all over the, literally and figuratively, in the capital and that it may take days to get back. >> and so i'm at the capitol building. i'm literally standing with the chief of police of the u.s. capitol police. he just inform it that you will hear through official channels paul irving, you're sergeant arms, will inform you that their latest information is that they believed that the house and the senate will be able to reconvene in roughly an hour. >> good news. >> the sergeant at arms will be in touch about about the process for getting members back into the building. >> thank you very much, mister vice president. good news. >> in this video that you just saw, senator chuck schumer urging jefferson to get trump to call off the rioters. of course, acting ag rosa did take action to defend the government, as the many other officials. but congressional leadership recognized on a bipartisan basis that president trump was the only person that could get them up to and it's file siege of the congress, leave the capitol and go home. he was senator mcconnell speaking after january six about how president trump abandon his duties and failed to do his job. >> it was obvious. the only president trump could end this. he was the only one. who could. former aides publicly begged him to do so. royal allies are in the cold administration. the president did not act swiftly. he did not do his job. he did not take steps so that federal law could be faithfully executed and order restored. no. >> in the midst of the violent chaos, kevin mccarthy implored donald trump to tell his supporters and the mob to leave the capitol, and when that the network, mccarthy called trump's adult children to try to get them to deceit with trump to call off the insurrection violence. at our prior hearings, we showed you a description of what mccarthy told republican congresswoman jaime herrera butler, about his conversation with trump during the violence. another witness, rick mulvaney, trump's former chief of staff, has also come forward and corroborated her shocking account. >> i asked kevin mccarthy, the republican leader, about this. he finally got through to donald trump and said, you've got to get on tv, you've got to get on twitter, got to call these people off. you know the president said to him? this is not what is happening. he said kevin, these are my people. these are antifa. kevin responded, no, these are your people. they literally came through my windows, and my staff are running for their lives. you need to call them off. the president's response to kevin was revealing. he said, well, kevin, i think they are more upset about the election than you are. you've seen widespread reports of kevin mccarthy and the president having a swearing conversation, that's where the swearing starts because the president is basically saying, i am okay with this. >> i had a conversation somewhere in the day or week after -- >> it was very similar -- we've told about how he called and asked the president -- along the lines of, or more angry about this than you are, more upset. i had a conversation so much the quid kevin in the days and weeks after biden. >> we know how kevin mccarthy described president trump's conduct both in public and in private. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action for president trump, except his share of responsibility, quell the brewing unrest and ensure that president biden elect is able to successfully begin his term. >> that may be clear to all of you, and i have been very clear to the president, he bears responsibility for his words and actions, no ifs, ands or buts. i asked him personally today, does he hold responsibility for what happened, does he feel bad about what happened? he told me he does have some responsibility for's weapon. he need to acknowledge that. >> 2:24 pm, knowing the deadly riot was bearing down on his own vice president, president trump composed and sent a tweet attacking vice president pence, accusing him of cowardice for not unilaterally rejecting electoral college votes for joe biden and simply ending trump the presidency. the impact of that tweet was foreseeable and predictable. if further inflamed the mob, which was chanting, hang mike pence and provoke them to even greater violence. this deliberately decision to further enraged the mob against vice president pence cannot be justified by anything that president trump might have thought about the election. the tweet came precisely at the time pesticide service detail was most seriously concerned for the vice president's physical safety. we've obtained new documents from the secret service, we are time chats that underscore the threat that they knew that the vice president would be facing because of the presidents escalation of the mob. after trump's tweet, one agent in the secret service intelligence division immediately warned, potus just tweeted about pence, probably not going to be good for pence. another agent reported the dramatic impact of trump's anti pence tweet on his followers. potus said he lacked courage. over 24,000 likes in under two minutes. employees at twitter were nervously monitoring the situation. they knew that twitter users were riding at the capitol and tweeting about it at the same time. as the afternoon progressed, the company detected the surge in violent hashtags in platform, including lines of lethal incitement like execute mike pence. listen to this former twitter employee. -- who first came to the committee anonymously but is now bravely agreeing to be named because you want to speak about the magnitude of the threat facing our people. >> you are also seeing -- that was driven by the ex president -- >> literally calling for assassination. and response to this tweet to because as many of donald trump's tweets did, it was individuals who were already constructing gallows, a ready willing, able, wanting to execute someone, looking for someone to be killed no, the individual has called upon them and a coup is not pointing a finger at another individual, while they're ready to do this. >> here's a small sample of the reactions that president trump 's fan of flames tweet provoked among capitol rioters in realtime. >> what percentage of the crowd is going to the capitol? >> 100%. it is spread like wildfire that pence has betrayed us, and everybody is marching on the capitol, all million of us. it's insane. >> mike pence will not stick up for donald trump. mike pence, trader! trader! >> mike pence has screwed us. in case you haven't heard yet. >> what happened? what happened? >> i keep hearing that mike pence got us. that's the word. i keep hearing reports that mike pence has screwed us. >> between 2:30 and to 35, within ten minutes of president trump's tweet, thousands of rioters over randy line that the metropolitan police force civil disturbance unit was holding on the west side of the capitol. this was the first time in the history of the metropolitan police department that a security line like that had ever been broken. president trump's conduct that day was so shameful and is so outrageous that it prompted numerous members of the white house staff and other trump appointees to resign. prior hearings you heard deputy national security adviser met pottinger and deputy white house secretary sarah matthews, explain why they felt compelled to resign on that day. since then, we spoken to more high-ranking officials, like president trump's envoy to northern ireland and former chief of staff, big mulvaney, and trump are station secretary, elaine chao, who resigned after the 16 purpose of trump's misconduct in and to dissociate themselves from his role in the violence. take a listen to what they had to say. >> i was stunned by the violence and was stunned by the presidents apparent indifference to the violence. -- i thought he felt at doing it. >> failed -- >> failed at a critical time to be the sort of leader the initial needed. >> i think the offense at the capitol, however they occurred, were shocking. it was something that, as i mentioned in my statement, that i could not put aside. and at a particular point, the events are such that it was impossible for me to continue, given my personal values and my philosophy. i came as an immigrant to this country. i believe in this country. i believe in a peaceful transfer of power. i believe in democracy. so, it was a decision i made on my own. >> what security assistance began to arrive at the capitol, and the tide turned against the insurrection. president trump finally gave his painfully belated instruction at 4:17 pm. so after multiple hours of riding and more than 100 serious issues suffered by our along -- the crowd finally begin to disperse. listen carefully to what they said, as they decided to leave the capitol. glenn >> are you delivering the presidents message? donald trump was asked everybody to go home. adults are order. [inaudible] >> he says to go home. >> finally, at 601, president trump tweeted again not to condemn the mass violence in any way but rather to excuse and glorify it. significantly, he made it clear that he considered the violence perfectly foreseeable and predictable. check it out. these are the things and events that happened when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously, viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long. these are the things that happened, he said, given the whole game away. trump was telling us that the vice president, the congress and all the injured and wounded cops, some of us with us today, got what they were coming to us. according to trump, january 6th should not be a day that lives and shame and infamy in our history but rather inquiry. remember this day forever, he wrote probably, as if he were talking about the day or the battle of yorktown. trump did nothing to stop the deadly violence for obvious reasons. he thought it was all justified. he incited it, and he supported it. >> would it have been possible for any moment for the president to walk down to the podium in the briefing room and talk to the nation anytime between -- 4:17 when the video statement, with that have been possible? >> what have been possible? yes it's possible. >> the president had wanted to make a statement and addressed the american people, he could've been on camera almost instantly. conversely, the white house press corps has offices that are located directly behind the briefing room and so if he had wanted to make an address from the oval office, we could have assembled at the white house press corps, probably in a matter of minutes to get them into the oval for him to do an on camera dress. >> mister chairman, nothing in law can justify the president's failure to act. >> nice to me you also knew that the president at a particular obligation to take care of the law that he be faithfully executed. >> that is one of the presidents obligations, correct. >> mister chairman, in numerous places, our constitution strongly opposes insurrection and a billion. article one gives congress the power to call forth the militia to suppress insurrections. section three of the 14th amendment disqualified from holding federal and state office, anyone who has sworn an oath to defend the constitution but pitchers it by engaging in insurrection or rebellion, who's president lincoln, at the start of the civil war in 1861, who best explained why democracy rejects insurrection. insurrection, he said, is a war upon the first principle of popular government, the rights of the people. american democracy belongs to all the american people, not to a single man. thank you, mister chairman, i yield back. >> the gentleman yields back. doing this committees first hearing in july of last year, our witnesses were fork police officers who helped repel the riots of january six. we asked them what they hope to see the committee accomplish. over the course of our investigation. officer gonell wanted to know why the rioters were made to believe that the election process was rigged. officer fanone asked us to look into the actions and activities that resulted in the days of events. officer hodges was concerned about more than anyone in power head or over, officer dunn put it simply, get to the bottom of what happened. we've worked for more than a year to get those answers. we've conducted more than a dozen use its devices at. we received interviewed hundreds of thousands of pages of documents. thank you for the dallas work of our members and investigators. we have left no doubt, none led an effort to obtain an american democracy that directly resulted in the violence of january six. he tried to take away a voice of the american people in choosing their president and replace the will of the voters with his will to remain in power. he is the one person at the center of the story of what happened on january six. so we want to hear from him. the committee needs to do everything in our power to tell the most complete story possible and provide recommendation to help and ensure nothing 19 or six ever happened again. we need to be fair and thorough and get full context for the evidence that we have obtained, but the need for this committee to hear from donald trump goes beyond our fact finding. this is a question about accountability to the american people. he must be accountable. he is required to answer for his actions. he is required to answer to those police officers who put their lives and bodies on the line to defend our democracy. he's required to answer to those millions of americans who votes he wanted to throw out as part of his scheme to remain in power. whatever is on the way to ensure this accountability on the law, this committee will demand a full accounting to every american, person of the events of january six. so,, it is our obligation to seek donald trump's testimony. there is precedent in american history, of congress to compel the testimony of a president -- that's also precedent for presidents to provide testimony and documentary evidence to congressional investigators. we also recognize that a subpoena to a former president is a serious and extraordinary action. that's why we want to take this step in full view of the american people, especially because the subject matter issue is so important to american people and the stakes are so high for our future and our democracy. and so, i recognize the vice chair, miss cheney of wyoming, to offer a motion. >> mister chairman, pursuant to today's notice, i sent to the desk of committee resolution and asked for its immediate consideration. >> the clerk will report the resolution. >> committee resolution one resolved that the chairman be and is hereby directed to subpoena donald j trump for documents and testimony in connection with the january 6th attack on the united states capitol, pursuant to section five c four of house resolution 503 and clause 2 am of rule 11 of the rules of the house of representatives. >> gentlewoman from wyoming has recognized the resolution. >> thank you, mister chairman. mister chairman, our committee now has sufficient information to answer many other critical questions posed by congress at the outset. we have sufficient information to consider criminal referrals for multiple individuals and to recommend a range of legislative proposals to guard against another january six. but a key task remains, we must seek the testimony under oath of january six central player. more than 30 witnesses in our investigation have invoked their fifth amendment right against self incrimination. several of those did so specifically in response to questions about their dealings with donald trump, directly. here are a few examples. this is roger stone with oath keepers at the willard hotel on the morning of january six. and here is mr. stone testifying before our committee. >> did you speak to president trump on his private cell phone on either january 5th or january six? >> once again, by advice of counsel, i assert my fifth amendment right to respectfully declined to answer your question. >> this is general michael flynn walking with oath keepers on december 12th, 2020. and here is general flynn's testimony before our committee. >> did you, general flynn, talk to president trump at any point on january six, 2021? >> the fifth. >> here is john eastman, fraudulently instructing tens of thousands of angry protesters that the vice president could change the election outcome on january six. later on in the same day, dr. eastman acknowledged in writing that donald trump knew what he was attempting was illegal. here is john eastman testifying before our committee. >> president trump authorize you to discuss publicly on january 4th, 2021 a conversation with him? >> fifth. so is your position -- there are conversations you had with the president of the united states, that you will not discuss those same conversations with this committee? >> fifth. >> here is jeff clark, who conspired with donald trump to corrupt the department of justice. president trump wanted to appoint jeff clark as acting attorney general, and as you can see in his colleague, that we've obtained from the national archives, he did so. and here is mr. clark testifying before a committee. >> mr. clark, what did you first talk directly with president trump? >> fifth. >> mr. clark, did you discuss with president trump allegations of fraud in the 2020 election? >> fifth. >> other witnesses have also gone to enormous lengths to avoid testifying about their dealings with don trump. steve bannon has been tried and convicted by a jury of his peers for contempt of congress. he is scheduled to be sentence for this crime later this month. criminal proceedings regarding peter navarro continue and mark meadows, donald trump's former chief of staff, has refused to testify, based upon executive privilege. the committees litigation with him continues. mister chairman, at some point, the department of justice may well unearth the facts that these and other witnesses are currently concealing. but our duty today is to our country and our children and our constitution. we are obligated to seek answers directly from the man who set this all emotion, and every american is entitled to those answers, so that we can act now to protect our republic. so this afternoon, i am offering this resolution that the committee direct the chairman to issue a subpoena for relevant documents and testimony under oath from donald john trump in connection with the january six attack on the united states capitol. thank you mister chairman. i yield back. >> the gentle lady yields back. if there are no further debate, the question is on agreeing to a resolution. those in favor will say i -- >> i --

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