this sunday, we're continuing to follow the breaking news surrounding the catastrophic tornados that swept across six states friday night, destroying virtually everything in their path. this morning, the governor of kentucky said there have been more than 80 fataliies in his state. he joins us next hour with the latest. and nbc news has confirmed 40 deaths in kentucky, tennessee, arkansas, illinois and missouri. a federal emergency has been declared in kentucky. hundreds of thousands have been left without power and rescue missions are under way. joining me now is my colleague ali velshi who is in mayfield, kentucky, who has been there for the last two hours doing your show, ali. thank you very much for coming -- staying and coming on "the sunday show." what is the situation like where you are now? >> reporter: well, i'm looking forward to your conversation with the governor because he has said that the death toll is higher than we believe it to be in kentucky. the sun is up, it was very, very cold overnight. so friday night to saturday the temperatures were actually okay. then there was about a 15 or 20 degree drop yesterday morning. and through the course of the day and night we got down to the low 20s. this is the problem. there are people unaccounted for. the increase in the death toll of what the governor is going to talk to you about is that there are unaccounted for people. the candle factory is about eight minutes from here. 110 people in that candle factory. they believe. 40 have been rescued. they think there are 70 people unaccounted for there. they are trying to -- in kentucky they have not made the decision yet that this is moving from a recovery -- from a rescue to recovery. that means they are still looking for live people who may be trapped or reported missing and that's where we are right now. meanwhile, cleanups have begun. you see crews all around here now, vehicles have moved in, but this is the kind of stuff that has to be done. everywhere you go in this town there is cars like this, completely, completely destroyed. look at this structure behind me. there is a foundation here. this is concrete over here. this was an entire house. this was a desk. this was a calculator on the ground there. somebody's chair. so this is the kind of thing we're looking at. entire houses have collapsed. you can see the entryways, you see the walls that have collapsed. and, jonathan, everywhere i look, i look around, there is no end to it. it is kind of fascinating. this tornado may have been a mile wide, which is unheard of for tornadoes. a mile wide, and tornados that went on for more than 200 miles. there are people -- this is tornado country. there are people saying they have never seen anything like this. they don't know -- they don't know how this happened. there is still a lot to be done. the big issues here for your conversation, jonathan, the electricity is still out. it is really cold. we're not sure what the water and gas supply is going to be. there is a lot of work to be done and this isn't going to end anytime soon. that's the situation here at least in western kentucky, jonathan. >> and, ali, let me get you on one more question before we have to go. am i wrong in thinking that tornados in december are not a common thing? >> reporter: that is correct. it is not a common thing. it was a very strange confluence of weather patterns that occurred to cause the jet stream which usually goes at very, very high altitude to plummet to earth and hit up against a warm front. and that's what caused these -- what were initially thunderstorms that became tornadoes, and went on for a long time. this is very, very unusual for this to have happened. but it has been very, very serious and devastating. >> ali velshi, thank you very much for coming to us from mayfield, kentucky. stay safe out there. >> reporter: thanks. now, we turn to new details in the january 6th investigation. the house select committee will vote tomorrow on whether to advance contempt of congress charges against mark meadows after he decided to stop cooperating with the committee. according to the washington post, a retired army colonel who circulated a power point proposal on how to challenge the 2020 election says he met with meadows who was then donald trump's chief of staff about, quote, eight to ten times, and that he briefed several other members of congress the day before the insurrection. meadows has turned over a version of the power point presentation to the investigating committee. joining me now is house impeachment manager and trump's second impeachment, david cicilline of rhode island and former acting solicitor general and msnbc contributor neal katyal. thank you for coming back to "the sunday show." congressman cicilline, let me start with you, in terms of the -- all the news that we have been hearing -- that has been coming out this past week, including the -- yesterday's news about this army lieutenant colonel and his presentation to mark meadows, given that you're -- you were an impeachment manager, is any of this new to you? >> well, certainly the power point is new to me. but, look, i think there were a lot of people that argue that what happened on january 6th was some sort of organic event where people got carried away. what the select committee is revealing is there was a lot of plan, finance, strategizing and it involved people at the highest levels of government. mark meadows provided thousands of documents. he refused to answer questions about those documents and he will be the subject of a subpoena -- sorry, a vote on monday to recommend prosecution of him. they will -- they have subpoena on friday 6th witnesses who were involved in the planning, financing of the stop the steal rally. this is very disturbing. this really undermines any claim that this was a group of people just got carried away. this was an effort led by the president -- former president of the united states to overthrow the results of a presidential election to stay in power to undermine and defeat our democracy. this is the most serious kind of constitutional offense a president could ever engage in, and the select committee has a responsibility to get to the bottom of it. that's exactly what they're doing. >> you know, neal, the congressman just mentioned the six other people who were subpoenaed. i want to put up on the screen who these folks are. but i also want to note something else. the committee has granted more time to these other individuals who have also been subpoenaed, kali mcenany, nick luna and bobby flynn, does this suggest they are cooperating with the committee in. >> it may suggest they're cooperating. i think more time is a natural result when you're seeking that. it also might be, you know, this committee and i absolutely agree with the congressman, the committee has done an admirable job in moving forward and trying to get to the truth in the face of unprecedented stone walling. but the committee has taken a while. we're already past 11 -- more than 11 months after the january 6th attack and the committee has been treating this, i think, a little bit like an ordinary government investigation when you're dealing with honorable people on the other side. and that is, you know, the opposite of what has happened here. there has been so much stone walling in fear of telling the truth, it is not just mark meadows, it is steve bannon who the house voted in contempt and the justice department indicted for contempt, jeffrey clark, john eastman, roger stone, all these people are asserting privileges and trying to delay this investigation out. so i think i'm concerned every time the january 6th committee, you know, grants another extension. >> congressman, is neal katyal right to feel concerned about the way this select committee is operating? he calls it -- says the committee is operating seemingly like they're doing an ordinary investigation. is that how you see it? >> no, i don't see it -- i understand the concern and, of course, it would be a speedier investigation if all of the people involved were honorable in turning over documents and complying with subpoenas. that's not the investigation we have. but they have heard from over 200 witnesses, they have collected more than 30,000 documents, they're making real progress in a bipartisan way, which is important here. and they are making it clear that witnesses who do not comply with lawfully issued congressional subpoenas will suffer consequences. we have one indictment already. i suspect others will follow if they don't comply. they're moving expeditiously. the chairman has said that this work will be done by early spring. i take him at his word. they're working in a very serious way. but, of course, the obstruction and the delay and distraction that the former president taught so many of his underlings is impacting the investigation, but it is not going to impact the search for the truth. this committee is going to get to the truth. american people will know all the facts and circumstances leading up to an attempt to overthrow our democracy on january 6th. >> neal, also, about getting to the truth, you know, president -- former president trump, excuse me, was dealt another setback this week when a federal appeals court threw out his attempt to block documents from being handed over to the january 6th panel. what do we know about the documents he's trying to keep concealed and where does the legal battle go from here? what are these documents he's trying to withhold. >> i think the court was very careful to not tell us much except that they were very important and integral they said to the january 6th investigation. so i think, you know, we don't actually know. we're still behind the veil of ignorance. but that court of appeals decision through our nation's second highest court, 68 pages long, it took them nine days or so to write it after trump's lawyers appeared in court trying to assert this privilege, and to have it about a former president of the united states, it is really quite remarkable. and, you know in particular, what the court of appeals said is that trump would lose not just for one or two, but for five different reasons, the most important of which is that they contrasted president trump's views to president biden's on executive privilege. they called biden's carefully reasoned and cabin decision and they said the reverse about donald trump's. >> real fast, neal. last question to you. the letter from chairman thompson to mark meadows' attorney saying, you know, you got to come in, was so detailed and specific about what they had, am i right from the reading of that letter that the committee is -- has so much more information and knowledge of what happened than we in the public do? >> yes. that was an extraordinary letter. it was tantalizing in the types of teases it told us that they had in terms of information and documents. and i think it is extraordinary what is going on. tomorrow, the -- the committee of congress is going to vote to hold the former president's chief of staff, in criminal contempt, because he's afraid to go and tell the truth before congress. that kind of thing just doesn't happen in -- normally a government official feels duty bound to go and tell investigators in congress anything important. let alone something as important as january 6th. you know, watch this tomorrow. >> right, what makes it even more interesting is that meadows is a former member of congress. congressman david cicilline, neal katyal, thank you for coming to "the sunday show." coming up, finally, an american president gets tough with vladimir putin. i discuss the biden/putin meeting and much more with senator chris murphy. d much morh senator chris murphy 50% more l, puffs bring soothing relief. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. america's #1 lotion tissue. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list event. ♪ limu emu... & doug ♪ ♪ superpowers from a spider bite? 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>> so i think it was essential because there is an existential threat posed to democracies around the world. we need to start planning with our partners. but you're right. it has been difficult to get back on the same page, especially with our european allies, after four years of trump there are a lot of democracies around the world that are very reluctant to get back into bed with the united states because they say, we'll make plans with you, president biden, but what is to say donald trump isn't coming back or somebody from his wing of the republican party who will blow up the relationships once again? but, especially now, as china and russia are on the march, it is important for them to see the united states linked together with democracies so that they see us planning in a meaningful way to try to counteract their moves to cede autocracy. >> switching gears. tuesday will be the ninth anniversary of the sandy hook elementary shooting. you gave an impassioned speech on the floor of the senate in the wake of the school shooting in oxford, michigan. why is it seemingly impossible for congress, but the senate in particular, to do something, to do common sense gun control, gun safety measures? >> the short answer is the rules of the senate. right now we have a majority of the house and the senate that will pass universal background checks and a president that will sign it. in almost every other democracy in the world that would be enough to save liveslives, in t united states it is not. if 60 votes is going to be the rule for next few years, then we have to continue to get stronger and stronger and eventually we'll be bigger and bader than the gun lobby. that takes work. we had success. there is all sorts of states that passed stronger laws, private companies passed changes, we passed smaller bills. we have to get 60 votes, we have to build a movement, we have to be committed to continuing to build the anti-gun violence movement. our kids lives, my kids' lives are at stake. >> senator chris murphy of kentucky. thank you for coming to "the sunday show." >> thank you. coming up, a sit-down with the woman vying to become the first black female mayor of los angeles. my exclusive interview with congresswoman karen bass is next. erview with congresswoman karen bass is next mm. 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why leave congress? >> i made a very difficult decision to not run for re-election because of the crisis in my hometown. the fact that there is three or more people who die a day on our streets because they are unhoused. so in our city, to have 40,000 people unhoused, living in tents all around the city, and people dying because of that was enough to bring me home. >> but homelessness has been an issue in los angeles, in america, for decades. what is it about this time that makes it a crisis, really? >> over the last couple of years it really metastasized. i remember homelessness really becoming a problem, actually 30 years ago, but the numbers were so much smaller. to have 40,000 people on the streets and then what is even scarier are the number of people who any day could become homeless, especially once the covid safety net is gone. and then the thing that is frightening to me is that there is a level of anger in our city, people are tired. they're upset with local elected officials who they feel haven't done enough, maybe that's fair, maybe it's not, but they are angry and some people are now beginning to feel like they just want to see these people out of their neighborhood and don't really care what happens to them. and so that is my concern because from my point of view, this was a public health crisis, it is a humanitarian crisis. and it is because of social and economic problems that in our city, where our city has become virtually unaffordable. >> why is it that people are going, you just said a moment ago, any second people could become unhoused. what is driving that? >> well, a few things. and i do think some people describe the population that is unhoused as though it is a monolith. and it is not. because the price of housing is so expensive here, a lot of people are living multiple families in one house, and so we have to deal with affordability. we have to deal with profound income inequality, but then you have to look at the population that is unhoused differently. >> all right, so then the big question now, hanging over all this, is what are you going to do about it? how are you going to solve the homelessness crisis, humanitarian crisis, while at the same time addressing the anger that is out there? >> i think the best way to resolve the anger is to show people that there is actually a solution. but also to get everybody involved. so, in other words, if you view this problem is going to be solved by a mayor, 15 members of the city council, five members of the board of supervisors, it is not the case. it is going to take everybody in the city being invested in their neighbors, their neighbors who live inside and their neighbors who live outside. >> do you have a plan? >> yes. we do have a plan. one of the aspects of the plan is really looking at this as a crisis and declaring an emergency. so, for, in other words, one of the things that has been done by our city council and board of supervisors is they passed bond measures, billions of dollars to build houses, but they weren't able to build it fast enough. why? because there are so many bureaucratic hurdles and i believe that those bureaucratic hurdles can be overcome and i think viewing it as an emergency is one way to do that. so i want to look for the red tape and cut it and it is an interesting thing because the county of los angeles has 88 cities. it is so easy to build in other cities, but when it comes to the city of los angeles, it is difficult to build and developers complain about it all the time. so what is it about another city that is a few blocks away where you can build and los angeles where you can't. it is red tape that is crying out to be cut. >> what about the notion of other cities within l.a. county pushing the homeless out of their towns and pushing them into here, into greater los angeles. is there anything you can do about that? >> one of the myths about the unhoused population is that they come from elsewhere, but you will find in many neighborhoods people who are living in alleys are living outside and actually lived on the street before inside. and so there is certainly an element of people who are coming from different cities and different states, but it is a pretty small minority of folks. but i think, again, it is important to look at the different categories of people that are unhoused, so you have people that are unhoused for economic reasons. people that go to school full time and living in cars and in tents. you have people who have problems with mental illness, substance abuse, people who were formerly incarcerated, but our harsh sentencing laws locked people up for extreme amounts of time and then passed laws that continue to punish them once they got out. they can't get a job. they can't get a place to live. they can't get a car because of laws that were passed. those need to be changed. you have former foster youth. i think it is really important for people to understand who the unhoused population is, and that there is a solution and i think that's the best way to deal with the anger. >> you're leaving congress, you're leaving congress to run for mayor of los angeles. and some would say it is coming conveniently in a moment when it is looking like the democrats are going to be out of the majority after the 2022 midterm elections. should anyone read that as the overriding issue of why you're leaving congress? >> no. honestly not. you know, i think people -- people view elected officials like there is always some agenda that is not the one that is actually being stated. but it really isn't true. what is bringing me home is the crisis. and, frankly, you know, it was a hard decision to decide to leave congress. because i get to work on issues that are very important to me. and frankly the way i've been trying to address the homeless situation while i'm in d.c. is from a prevention point of view. so that is why i focus on foster youth. it is why i focus on people who have been incarcerated, because if i can provide services for them when they leave those systems, then that will help reduce the population that is unhoused. >> when you were speaker of the california assembly, you were first black woman to head a state legislature in the country. but if you become mayor of los angeles, you'll be the first black woman mayor of los angeles, but you won't be the first black woman mayor of a u.s. city. you'll join a whole list of black women who are currently serving including mayor london breed in san francisco. what would that mean to you if you become mayor? >> first of all, i will be glad i will not be the first black woman mayor in the united states. but i would be so honored to join that club and believe me, i'll be on the phone to all of them. >> your daughter, amelia wright and her husband, michael wright, were killed in a car crash in 2006. you don't talk about them much publicly. but i know that they are never apart from you. >> never. >> what do you think she -- she, amelia and michael, would be saying to you right now as you're undertaking this race? >> i think that they would both be very excited and be on the campaign trail right with me. like their siblings are. i think they would be very excited. >> congresswoman karen bass, former chair of the congressional black caucus, former speaker of the california assembly, former seriously vetted candidate for vice president of the united states and current candidate for mayor of los angeles, thank you very, very much for coming back to "the sunday show." >> absolutely. and thank you, again, to congresswoman karen bass. coming up, the death toll continues to grow following catastrophic tornadoes in the midwest. we can now report that eight people have died in a candle factory that collapsed in mayfield, kentucky. rescue efforts are still under way and two workers were found in the rubble on saturday and hospitalized. 36 people are still missing. kentucky governor andy beshear joins us in the next hour with an update. first, the new ceo of the obama foundation, valerie jarrett. keep it right here. obama foundation, valerie jarrett. ke iept right here ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ introducing the biggest advancement in the history of small business bookkeeping. having someone else do your books for you. i'm linda, your quickbooks live bookkeeper. let's do this linda! sounds good! a live expert bookkeeper who understands your business. felipe, i've categorized last month's hair gel expenses. steve, i just closed your books. great, how are we looking? 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>> no, it's not. you're right. we're building a 19.3 acre site at the heart of the south side, a stone's throw away from where i grew up. so it is such an important amenity and anchor and generator for the economy on the south side, also have programs that are currently up and running, but will be focused at the center. we have programs right now in asia, africa, europe, at the university of chicago, and columbia, all designed to train the next generation of leaders. and then as you know, president obama launched -- while still in the white house and that is focusing on improving the trajectory of the lives of boys and young women of color and mrs. obama has her alliance designed to keep adolescent girls in school across the world an also in the united states. we'll go deep in chicago, but we want to develop the best practices there that can be taken globally. it is an exciting opportunity for me, given my relationship with both the obamas and the south side of chicago, and my commitment to the issues that we will be addressing and to leadership. we need to have a generation ready to tackle the challenges of today and tomorrow. >> right. and, you know, your title before was interim, but i saw this coming. i saw you taking this big leadership role in the foundation. speaking of mrs. obama, michelle obama, she also created an organization called when we all vote, which is, correct me if i'm wrong, under the umbrella of civic nation, an organization you are also the chair of. but why is when we all vote so important given where we are right now in this country? >> well, one of the fundamental principles to have a healthy democracy is engagement of our citizens. and what michelle obama noted after her husband left office was that voter participation was waning. this is a nonpartisan issue. if we want to strengthen our democracy, we need to have people from both parties, all parties voting and the good news is in the last presidential election, we saw more people vote than the history of our country. that's good and healthy for the democracy. so when we all vote is designed to inform people, so they are educated voters and get engaged not just in presidential elections, but all elections because people at all level of governments have a dramatic impact on our daily lives. and so it was launched back in 2018 and to see the record number of people turning out to vote is exactly what we want, but the problem we have, which, of course, your audience is acutely aware, is not only do you have people, you need to have people who participate in the election, but the elections have to have integrity. people believe in the outcomes. and we have seen a concerted effort over the last year to question the integrity of the elections. and that's in place of people, senior people from the trump administration certifying that this was one of the fairest elections in our nation's history. so we have to debunk this myth of voter fraud. we need to ensure that we are pushing back against the states that are trying to pass laws to suppress the vote, and to intimidate through criminal penalties people who are trying to just follow the law and they have to stop politicizing the people who are actually responsible for certifying the elections or we -- >> valerie jarrett, we have to go. i want to thank you very much for coming back to "the sunday show." i was also going to say, valerie jarrett -- >> thank you, jonathan. >> thank you. coming up, filmmaker and activist rob reiner is here and ready to tell us the way he sees it. stay with us. nurse mariyam sabo knows a moment this pure... ...demands a lotion this pure. new gold bond pure moisture lotion. 24-hour hydration. no parabens, dyes, or fragrances. gold bond. champion your skin. healthy habits come in all sizes. like little walks. and, getting screened for colon cancer. that's big because when caught in early stages, it's more treatable. hey, cologuard! hi. i'm noninvasive and i detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers, even in early stages. early stages! yep, it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you. count me in! me too! 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and they need public hearings now. >> yes. >> not next year but right now. >> well, i mean, people are not going to be paying attention between now and the end of the year, but i agree they do need public hearings. i had a conversation with jamie raskin just yesterday about this. he said they will -- starting at the beginning of the year they will have public hearings. it will be -- all of the information, you know, they've interviewed hundreds of people. they've subpoenaed tons of people and that will all come out, but it's not going to matter unless the doj and merrick garland is willing to prosecute what we all know is true. there was an insurrection. there was an attempt to overthrow the government. now to put it in context, let's say, for instance, a guy goes in to rob a bank and he fails. you're still breaking the law. you're trying to rob a bank. that's what happened. they tried to rob this country of its due process and the election. they went and tried to steal an election and they tried to overthrow the government. that's against the law. that breaks federal law. we need the doj to prosecute that. unless they prosecute that, we're giving the rights for people to just do it again and they will. so we need two things. we need to prosecute the people responsible and we need to pass voting rights. >> okay. so i want to go back to something that you said at the top of that answer of yours, quote, i talked to jamie raskin yesterday. so what else did congressman raskin tell you in that phone conversation? >> that's -- that's -- that's essentially what he did tell me. he told me that they were going to be holding public hearings and that everything that they've accumulated over the past number of months will become public. but we already know. we already know what's out there. we know about the powerpoint presentation. we know about easton's memo how to overthrow the government. it's all out there. you know, it's not just a smoking gun. there's a smoking arsenal out there. it's very prosecutable. it should be done and if it's not done, then we basically are handing our democracy over. now think about this, there's never been a sitting president of the united states that has attempted to overthrow the government. that's what we have. it's all out there in plain view. and we better pay attention because many people have said, this is a dress rehearsal and trump is still, you know, stirring things up and getting all his followers, you know, engaged, and these people are not hesitant to use guns. we've seen that in the past. and they'll continue to do it. so we have to stop them now. >> you know, we're going to be talking more about the, you know, dress rehearsal for the coup or the ongoing insurrection that is happening in this country. rob ryan ner, i want to thank you very much for coming back to the sunday show. i forgot to tell you something one of the last times you were on. loved your performance in "hollywood." >> thank you. >> thank you very much. rob reiner for telling us the way you see it. coming up, kentucky governor andy beshear joins us to discuss the latest on the deadly tornadoes that ripped through his state. and my discussion with eric holder and as always an all-star panel that are ready to sound off to the week's biggest stories. don't want to miss this. seriously? 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>> well, i know from reports that i get that we've lost over 80, but i am positive in the end we'll have lost more than 100 of our kentucky citizens, each one a child of god irreplaceable to their family and to their communities. this thing is like something we've just never seen before, the level of devastation. when it hit a house, it didn't tear the roof off, it destroyed every single bit of those homes. you've gotten tire towns wiped out. douglas, you showed this video. that's my dad's hometown and half of it is just gone. >> you know, i asked this question of my colleague ali velshi who is on the ground in mayfield, kentucky, how rare it is to have tornadoes in kentucky. you are a born and bred kentucky an -- kentuckian. have you seen them in december? >> we have tornadoes but this is unlike anybody has ever seen. it's going to end up being the longest, continuous tornado touchdown i think in history. more than 227 miles. at least our folks have confirmed. over 200 of those miles are in kentucky. and the level of damage, catastrophic. the candle factory in mayfield. 110 people work there. we've been able to rescue 40. it's been 27 hours since we've rescued a live person. so very tough days as people go out and try to find so many people unaccounted for. you know, our focus is solely on our families, on finding people, on getting them shelter, making sure everybody is fed and i want to thank people from so many towns outside of kentucky for their help and love. we will take every prayer we can because we need a few miracles whether it's in the factory or a few other places as we look for people. >> governor, let me have you listen to what president biden said yesterday when talking about the tornadoes. have a listen. >> they lost their homes. they lost their businesses and it's a tragedy. it's a tragedy and we still don't know how many lives are lost from the damage. i want to emphasize what i told all the governors, the federal government will do everything, everything it can possibly do to help. >> and, governor, i know you talked to the president yesterday. can you give us some insight into what he told you beyond what he has said in that sound bite there. >> the president called me tliems yesterday, near the beginning of the day and then checking in at the end. he had the secretary for homeland security and the administrator for fema. i've exchanged messages today. senator mcconnell and i talked and we agree that the federal government is absolutely 100% with us. we will be making asks because we need the help, but pleased with the response we're getting and i'm going to see the secretary and the administrator here in about four hours. within 48 hours of this thing hitting they'll be on the ground and we're grateful. >> governor, in the minute that we have left, i want to make an observation. i mentioned before that you are born and bred kentuckian, but in your responses i'm picking up a kind of emotion from you that this is not just a tragedy that has hit your commonwealth, that this is personal so i'm wondering how are you doing in dealing with the tragedy that is facing your state? >> i think i'm like everybody. i try to put my head down and push through and get done what needs to be done. i spent eight hours yesterday trying to get in touch with a cousin to see if she was alive and i saw her yesterday and i'm really grateful for that. just heard from one of my uncles, lost two cousins in bulenberg county. so you go from shock and disbelief to grief to being focused and ready to push forward and you cycle through all of it multiple times a day. this is personal and when you see it, there's no lens big enough to capture just how awful this is but, again, we are tough people. we're going to make it. >> governor andy beshear of kentucky, thank you for coming to "the sunday show." i and everyone who are watching are thinking and praying for you and the people of the kentucky. >> we thank you and we'll take every single prayer we can get. >> thanks again. turning now to the fight for voting rights ahead of next year's mid terms. a vicious partisan and legal fight is already underway over redistricting. these are headlines about redistricting lawsuits from just last week regarding suits filed in five states including texas where the justice department accuses gop lawmakers of violating the voting rights act with their new proposed map. joining me now, eric holder who served as attorney general of the united states during the obama administration. he's now chairman of the national democratic redistricting committee. welcome back to "the sunday show." >> good to see you, jonathan. you brought witt and wisdom to sunday mornings. good to see you. >> thank you. thank you very, very much. so the last time we were here we didn't have maps to talk about. we knew redistricting was going to be an issue and was going to be a challenge. is what you've seen so far in terms of the maps that have come out, is it worse than you had anticipated? >> it's about what i anticipated, but i anticipated something that was going to be totally awful and unbelievably antidemocratic. what we have seen in texas, in georgia, in north carolina, in ohio, we have seen republicans taking advantage of the juryman -- gerrymandered maps and draw even more gerrymandered maps in 2021 and that's why we have been filing lawsuits around the country. that's why we have been trying to bring public attention to this issue so that people understand what is actually at stake. we talk about redistricting and gerrymandering, it sounds opaque. if you care about a woman's right to choose, if you care about health care, if you care about criminal justice reform, protection of voting rights, climate, all of these things are directly connected to the problem of gerrymandering and the need for a fair redistricting process. >> and a fair -- speak more about a fair redistricting process. is that a redistricting commission? nonpartisan or bipartisan commission where not the legislators get involved but this commission gets involved in drawing the maps? >> yeah. i think that's the gold standard. if you can come up with a good redistricting commission, that's the best way to draw the maps. take the responsibility for drawing the lines out of self-interested politicians and put it in the hands of people who are neutral, who are non-partisan. you know, some commissions have done their jobs i think extremely well. others have not done it as well. i think that's something that we should aspire to. but i think the real answer is making sure that the freedom to vote act, which is presently before the senate, that that actually gets put into law. what we're dealing with now is kind of a state by state fight. what we need to do is have national standards, and the freedom to vote act has a number of good provisions in it, not the least of which it bans, it simply bans partisan gerrymandering. if you put that in place that alleviates the problem around the country. >> so, attorney general holder, i asked you that question because i want to show you a tweet from dave wasserman that he put out last week on redistricting and he tweeted out, by our estimate neutral/commission maps in the blue states of california, colorado, new jersey, virginia and washington, 93 seats total, will end up costing democrats 10 to 15 house seats they could have seized by gerrymandering making republicans even stronger favorites for house control. so i bet when, you know, democrats take a look at that tweet, i can see some of them doing a face palm like how could we do this to ourselves. your reaction to what dave wasser man says? >> i have great respect for dave but i tend to disz agree with his numbers. those are a little exaggerated numbers. understabbed what i said. where the commissions are properly structured and peopled with -- people who are going to do their jobs in a nonpartisan, good way, i think you get good results. virginia commission, for instance, was as we indicated way back when, was positioned to put itself into a deadlock situation, which it did. and now the supreme court in virginia will be actually drawing the lines. the commission in california historically has done a good job. republicans have attacked these commissions. they've gone after the commission in utah. they've gone after the commission in arizona. and so you've got to look at the way in which the commissions are structured and the way in which republicans have gone after them. what i said was if you have good commissions and if you allow them to do their jobs, that's the best way in which to do redistricting. >> former attorney general of the united states eric holder, thank you as always for coming to "the sunday show." >> right. thanks for having me. coming up, we're just weeks away from the one-year anniversary of the january 6th insurrection, but that doesn't mean it's over. we'll discuss next. es designed to help you keep more of what you earn. this is the planning effect. the airport can be a real challenge for new homeowners who have become their parents... okay, everybody, let's do a ticket check. paper tickets. we're off to a horrible start. ...but we can overcome it. we're not gonna point out our houses, landmarks, or major highways during takeoff. don't buy anything. i packed so many delicious snacks. -they're -- -nope. would you say, ballpark, when group two is gonna get boarded? 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>> it absolutely is out of the authoritarian playbook, and i'm really worried about what's happening to election administration in the united states. when you think about what normally exists in election administration in america, it's normal, decent people who are often volunteering for posts that come with authority but no real power. they're not trying to influence elections. that's changing and that's going to change the people who are going to go for those positions. one of the things i write about in my book is that magnetic -- power is magnetic to corruptible people. when you have a system that is becoming rotten, rotten corruptible people are going to gravitate towards it. what we're going to have is decent, normal people who are threatened like this bowing out and we already have evidence that people who attended january 6th rallies and events and stormed the capitol are angling to become the next set of officials. it's one of the major milestones in the breakdown of democracy and it's happening now. >> i want to put up an element we have here, element seven. brian, you brought up the makeup of folks at the insurrection. the average age of a capitol rioter is 41.8 years old, so they're young. the bigger number, the more interesting number is the one at the bottom. more than 50% of the rioters have white collar jobs or are business owners. max, where did sort of -- we're sort of fooling ourselves if we think that folks who were part of the insurrection and the votes who were pushing this authoritarian bent within the republican party is sort of like a forgotten or unemployed voter. we need to rethink that. >> absolutely. i think there's been a lot of myths about the basis of the trump insurgency and it's not coming from devastated, you know, steel workers who have lost their jobs as those numbers show. it's a lot of middle class white people. in fact, "the atlantic" story made the point that this is the first large scale insurgency in this country on middle class white people since the rebirth of the ku klux klan in the 1920s. that's how we need to think about this. this is fundamentally triggered by changes. one of the fascinating points is what united the rioters who attacked the capitol. the number one thing that unite the them was they were all from counties where the white share of the population has declined in the last decade. that's what they're reacting to is the loss of white power. you hear donald trump and his acolytes like tucker carlson appealing to this white theory. >> we have a couple of minutes left and we're going to go over time but i want to play this sound bite from president trump. max, we'll get to this and, brian, we'll talk about it on the other side. >> just remember this, you're stronger, you're smarter, you've got more going than anybody and they try and demean everybody having to do with us and you're the real people. you're the people that built this nation. you're not the people that tore down our nation. and we fight. we fight like hell. if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. >> brian gel man in that atlantic piece it quotes robert paque. he is a 1989 post doc fellow. he was writing about milosevic and he says that what we just listened to there is basically what milosevic did. he said trump had scaled and deployed three classes of mobilization violence, one, the survival of a way of life is at stake. two, the fate of the nation is being determined now. three, only genuine brave patriots can save the country. milosevic used that in the former yugoslavia and trump is using it now or was using it then. >> i'd add a fourth one to that, which is it's only legitimate if you win because you are the real americans, right? 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>> it makes no sense. so he finds himself now in this situation where he's given over all of these documents, and this is -- i know a lot of people are anxious about the january 6th committee, but give it time, folks because they're sitting on a treasure trove of information and they are making the moves they're making because they know what they know. >> exactly. >> and everybody else doesn't know what they know because they turned -- they don't know what mark's turned over versus what this group over here's turned over. so mark realizes he's getting pinched right now in a way he's following the loyalty to trump but outside the halls people are saying, hang him. >> right. and, donna, you're a former member of congress. and i don't remember if you and then congressman meadows served at the same time, but just -- i should have asked steel this question but i'm going to ask you this question. given mark meadows, what he's done over the last couple of weeks, first cooperating and not cooperating, is he trying to have it both ways? >> well, i don't even know that he's trying to have it both ways. what he's tlieg to do is get out of the hole that he dug for himself. turning over these documents i think as michael said means that the committee has those documents, they have him on film on his book tour, his book launch and they've got 250 witnesses and others who have also turned over documents. so what the committee is doing is putting together that proverbial holiday puzzle where eventually they're going to find that last piece that fits in the puzzle and so i think the committee is diligently just kind of doing their work and mark meadows, i did serve with him, he's proving himself to be not a really smart lawyer for one and not to be very smart in terms of his handling of his dealings with the committee because he's essentially sold himself out. >> right. right. i want to switch gears a little bit. still talk about donald trump, but, connie and joan, have a listen to what hillary clinton said on sunday "today" about whether she thinks donald trump will run for president and will -- again, in 2024. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> if i were a betting person right now, i'd say trump is going to run again but i want people to understand that this is a make or break point. >> i mean, no alliance detected, right, connie? >> this is exactly right. this is the time. we can speculate all we want about what's going to happen down the road. look at the ones who are citing donald trump as the reason they don't want to cooperate with the january 6th committee right now. i am really grateful for the committee's transparency as much as it can be right now. 20 years ago -- when i was 20 years younger two years ago, i feel so much older now, i used to think people know better and they would behave better. what i've come to understand after the trump administration and after january 6th, we are not going to change any minds of the people who think this election was a fraud. we are not going to change any minds of people who think that shouldn't have happened to our capitol on january 6th. what we are doing is fighting for our democracy. that is not hyperbole. this is what former secretary hillary clinton is talking about. we have to keep our focus. we have to move forward with the work. we have to engage as many of our young voters as we possibly can. i think we can make a difference in that way. >> joan? 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>> i think it is because by and large chris has been a port in the storm, if you will, in the political storms that we've engaged in. he has been that source of speaking truth to power, keeping the journalism honest to the best of his abilities. i would suspect that while the statement he made was true, that they, quote, didn't interfere with or let him book or ask questions the way he want, that there was growing pressure on that and, you know, being the guy that he is, he wasn't having any of it. the abruptness of it. we watched our good friend brian williams step down this week after announcing over a month ago that this was his plan and so forth, and that's typically how that's done. if you want to come pair and contrast how one leaves a network they've been associated with for 18 years, you get a sense of how you do it when brian left. we woke up this morning and were like, excuse me, what? it speaks to a lot about people with credibility inside the republican party and inside journalism having to deal with the sort of trump faction going, i'm done. >> joan, am i -- am i unduly hyperventilating over this abrupt resignation? >> no. >> of chris wallace. >> i was shocked. i was shocked. look, i'm not going to pretend that we're soul mates or we agreed on anything, but chris wallace played an important role. he got people who would never come on your show or many shows over here, jonathan, and he grilled them. he put them on the hot seat. i remember most recently when he grilled kevin mccarthy who had changed his tune so, again, abruptly and thoroughly from holding donald trump accountable for january 6th to oh, you know it was fine. he did what we asked him to. he put out that video immediately, no, it wasn't immediate, he told the rioters he loved them so it wasn't exactly what you had supposedly asked him for. you know, things -- journalism did go on there in a way that it, you know -- the other 24/7 doesn't really happen. so i think he will be missed. >> connie, love to get your view. >> i think fox has become the network of white supremacy and i just -- just this past week i did a column, it was a fun thing we thought, a time line because this new survey had come out and the majority of republicans were longing for the 1950s and i thought i would point out some of the things that weren't so good in the 1950s, including some of their early civil rights battles. it's been the worst hate mail i've gotten in two months at "usa today." this figure stands out. at the end i mentioned in the '50s we didn't have fox, right? we had joseph mccarthy but we didn't have fox. in the survey, 89% of fox viewers, 98% of people who follow right wing media said that our country is in danger of losing its culture and its identity, and i include that had in the piece. that's all you need to know about fox, and that -- chris wallace, probably the only way he could announce this for sure was not to give a heads up. we don't know the backstory, right? it would strike me with one of those moments if i'm going to say about why i'm leaving or that i'm leaving, i better do it right now because i'm not going to get the opportunity if too many people know about it. i don't know. sure struck me as that. >> i saw a picture from the 1950s of ella fitzgerald and another singer sitting on a bench after they had been arrested for singing before an integrated audience. that was in the 1950s. how great the 1950s were back then. yeah. segregation. congresswoman edwards, your perspective on all of this? >> before i had a relationship with nbc, i appeared regularly on fox news sunday since i was in congress. my experience of chris wlals -- wallace was always fair, even handed, never cutting me off. i enjoyed his journalism. i think he is one of the soul surviving journalists at fox news. i think it is a loss because as others have said, he did hold the feet to the fire of republicans and republican leadership for their almost psychotic adoration of donald trump. and so, you know, i think of my friend chris wallace, i wish him well but i think it is a loss of the one space on fox news where there is real journalism going on. >> you know, i'm sorry. i forgot that i was on camera. i was looking over at my cell phone to double check something. there are reports, i don't know if they are confirmed yet, that chris wallace is leaving fox news to go to cnn plus, which would be very, very interesting that, you know, he's leaving but his journalism and his voice won't be leaving. we've got a whole bunch of other sound bites from a whole bunch of other people who were on a bunch of the other sunday shows but we've got like a minute left so let me just play senator graham on with chris wlals on fox news, what he had to say about whether it's hypocrisy, what is this about, tax cuts versus build back better. just watch. >> what chris psaki is saying and other democrats are saying is when president trump and you -- >> what's that got to do with anything. >> let me just finish, passed the 2017 trump tax cut, that wasn't a lie. >> no, what happens is you can't go beyond ten years in terms of the budget window. we voted knowing that cutting taxes we believed was good. joe manchin if you were watching, you were right, joe. you got this right. it is a lie. it's 4.9 trillion not 1.75 trillion. so joe manchin was right. >> and with that, we are done. joan walsh, michael steel, connie schultz and donna edwards "the sunday show" tried and true and faithful. thank you for coming to the sunday show and for he can here all year. >> happy anniversary. >> yeah! >> thank you. go on. coming up, in the words of billy porter, i am never not grateful for my angels. i remember one of those angels in my bye line next. firefighter maggie gronewald knows how to handle dry weather... ...and dry, cracked skin. new gold bond advanced healing ointment. restore healthy skin, with no sticky feeling. gold bond. champion your skin. hi, my name is cherrie. i'm 76 and i live on the oregon coast. with no sticky feeling. my husband, sam, we've been married 53 years. we love to walk on the beach. i have two daughters and then two granddaughters. i noticed that memories were not there like they were when i was much younger. since taking prevagen, my memory has gotten better and it's like the puzzle pieces have all been [click] put together. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. >> yeah! eved 90% cleaskin at 4 months, after just 2 doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms such as fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches, or coughs or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. ♪nothing is everything♪ talk to your dermatologist about skyrizi. learn how abbvie could help you save. are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? 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i wouldn't want to be responsible for the break-up of a marriage, fred said, with the utmost sincerity. that comment instantly marked fred as someone special. remember, this was 16 years before same-sex marriage became legal. a time when most of the nation still viewed my seven-year relationship with my then-long term partner with skepticism if not outright hostility, yet there i was, an out gay man sitting before a major american newspaper editor who was not only worried about breaking up my relationship but he also called it a marriage. no offer formally came as fred never believed i would leave new york, even though i said i would. when i was desperately looking to make a change in 2003, i dropped fred an email inquiring if he had any openings. his response was to the point, and i'm paraphrasing. nice to hear from you. we're in good shape. good luck. so i left journalism for corporate pr. mistake. every day for two years, i longed to get my career back on track as it receded further from view. everything went into my permanently having to live with the consequences of taking a job solely for money. that is until january 4th, 2007, when my assistant sent me a message, call fred hiatt. that phone call lasted about an hour. he had a position, but again, wondered if i would leave new york for washington. hell yes. the following week, i was sitting in the editorial board room of "the washington post" for what i soon realized was a final kick the tires series of interviews with members of the board and publisher. i got the job. and it's been a dream come true ever since. fred hiatt passed away on tuesday after suffering sudden cardiac arrest the day before thanksgiving. he was just 66. for 14 of his 21 years as editorial page editor, i learned from that kind, exacting, caring, and brilliant man. fred nurtured me, pushed me, and gave me the freedom to explore not just in reporting and writing about what was newsworthy but also in how i presented it at "the washington post." throughout his new book, unprotected, a memoir, the great billy porter names the people who helped him achieve his dreams. he writes, not a day goes by in which i'm not grateful for my angels. without question, fred hiatt was one of my angels. to the hyatt family, especially his wife margaret and their children, alexandra, joseph, and nathaniel, my deepest condolences. what an honor it was to call your husband and father my friend. i'm jonathan capehart, and this has been the sunday show. that's why progressive car insurance covers your pets for up to $1,000 if they're ever in a car accident with you. this mini majorette's gonna march her way right into your heart. -i'm sorry. can we stop? 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