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find the defendant not guilty. as to the third count, not guilty. as to the fourth count, not guilty, as to the fifth count, not guilty. >> >> now he's really crying. rittenhouse who faced live in prison broke down in court after the verdict was read. his attorney said rittenhouse would like to get on with his life but the judge heavily criticized for bias towards the defense was fair and then discussed the larger implications of the verdict. >> when you want to talk about implications and precedent and things like that, is it ever going to happen again? you know, is there ever going to be a total unrest in kenosha or some other city and that is going to happen? you know, i just don't see that. it was a case about self-defense. the right to protect one's self. >> president biden told reporters that we have to respect the jury's decision. and the parents of anthony huber, rittenhouse's second verdict released this statement. today's verdict means there is no accountability for the person that murdered our son. it sends the unacceptable message that armed civilians can show up in any town, incite violence and use the danger that he cr created to justify shooting people. those to hold those responsible for anthony's death continues in full force. the lawyers for the other two victims,said while today's verdict means justice delayed, it doesn't mean justice denied. we will uncover the truth of the night and hold those responsible to account. people outside the courthouse has a range of reactions to the verdict. >> that's the law. that's what though chose. we accept it. >> i feel like they made the right choice, you know, it was simple self-defense. that kid was attacked out here. >> this argument that he killed them because of what they did and it's okay, no, it's not right. >> the demonstrations at the heart of the trial were in response to the police shooting of jacob blake shot seven times by a white kenosha police officer and paralyzed from the waste down -- waist down. his uncle joseph blake was unsparing. >> self-defense is when you're protecting your home, you're protecting your family, he in a very bastardly way used the law to work for him. there was absolutely no self-defense. >> while it is shocking rittenhouse is not found guilty, it's not surprising at all. in fact, it's a return to normal for america after the conviction of former minnesota police officer derek chauvin for the murder of george floyd. joy reid the host of this show reverend al sharpton, host of msnbc "politics nation" and paul butler, former federal prosecutor and georgetown law professor and elie join us now. i cannot imaine a better panel of people i would rather be talking to or texting with tonight. joy, since it's your show and i'm blessed to be sitting here, start us off. what was your first thought when you heard the verdict that rittenhouse would get free? >> well, i want to first thank you, jjason, for holding down te fort tonight. i was on a flight because i took today off on a plane. i was watching it on the flight. i was not at all surprised. we've talked about this. i mean, this is what we expected to happen because i think we have to keep in mind when we're watching the criminal justice system at work, that it was designed to do exactly what it did today. gun laws helped to enhance the design to allow this verdict to happen today. this country was built on the idea of white men had a particular kind of freedom and a particular kind of citizen ship that only they have. that gives, you know, from the slave catchers on the right to inflict violence in the name of protecting property. that's like the foundational creation of the united states. so it would have been shocking. the real -- i'm glad you mentioned the derek chauvin verdict. that was a surprising verdict. this should have been unsurprising but what we have to think about is not only the families of the two men who died and the family, they should be in our minds now because they suffered and there are a lot of white people who have defended black lives and paid for it with their lives. that goes back to john brown and the civil rights movement but what i am concerned about is the precedent this sets for what people will believe that they can do under law when black lives matter protests happen in the future and people may use this as an excuse to go out of state and do what he did and get away with it. >> i want to keep on that point, joy. paul, that's the first thing that occurred to me after this ruling is oh, well, okay, now it's open season. like, if i'm walking around and i'm a white nationalist coward little kid with an r-15 and i see someone drive by i'll open fire and a youth group chanting black lives matter and i feel threatened, i can open fire. paul, is the ruling today really a precedent or is this the kind of thing that was always going to end up happening and we shouldn't see this as a real watershed moment? >> it's not a formal ego precedent but make no mistake, rittenhouse will be the pollster child for reactionry white men that want to take the law into their hands and bring assault weapons to black lives matter protests and think that violence is a legitimate form of political discourse. in the eyes of the law, rittenhouse is now actually the victim of the three men he shot but evidence says rittenhouse went to kenosha spoiling for a fight and brought an assault weapon and bulletproof visit. it doesn't mean the jury brought the boy scott image but they had reasonable doubt they weren't 95% certain but jason, i can't imagine they're happy about an immature and reckless 17-year-old bringing a semi assault rifle to patrol their streets and i agree with joy, i think we should be troubled that other people who want to take the law into their own hands might view this verdict as an invitation. >> rev, so earlier this year, you know, i saw you on the air and you talked about hey, part of why derek chauvin was convicted is because you had just massive nationwide global multi cultural protests about george floyd. the issue a lot of people have, especially my students and young people who aren't actively involved in politics are like darn, it took a year's worth of protest to get one cop convicted but now we're right back to what we had before whether it's ahmaud arbery being killed or kylen rittenhouse. what is the activist response when there is a ruling like this because i can't imagine a lot of people don't feel despondant? >> what you must also factor in is even when the george floyd murder happened, it's come out some of the violence in minneapolis was done by right wingers who pretended to be burning down places in minneapolis that they were part of the movement and they were not, which means that now we can see people baiting violence to have a reaction to justify doing what rittenhouse got away with today. this is a very, very serious problem for activism because now we're being told that someone can cross state lines with a semiautomatic rifle and kill people and say itself defense and they have this case to cite saying i'm like rittenhouse. let's remember, rittenhouse is being offered internships by members of congress like he's a hero. in the frame of one week ministers go to brunswick, georgia with bibles in their hand and we're condemned and he goes with an automatic weapon given offers of congressional internship. this is where we are now and it is startling and brings a threat to the white and black that want to stand up against systemic racism in this country. >> to think i tell my students for internship is being moral and to be truthful i, you have to go murder people. i feel like you were in the courtroom, elie, part of what the national story is from kenosha, the degree of empathy african americans had for the victims in contrast to how many white americans are trying to explain what happened to george floyd or what happened to walter scott. why do you think that is? why do you think this case, even not the victims are white, why do you think it resonates so much with african-americans and why so many people are passionate and disturbed about this? >> that's a great question. black people don't care about race, they care about justice. he armed himself with a weapon and shot two people. people during a protest for police brutality. we care. it doesn't matter the victims are white. not to black people. it doesn't matter the victims were white. it means justice was not done and that is something that honestly i do not understand why so many white people can't see that. it's like they're telling on themselves, right? the whole point here is that -- and this is where, you know, i'm going to bring up i think there is a theory about it that asks you to critically think how systems work in this country, right? like there is a per miss sieveness against white violence and black people regard wills of the victim of any white instance of violence, black people know overall white people aren't with guns patrolling the streets being able to shoot whatever they want to doesn't work out well for us. so there is a concern about justice and fairness and there is some self-preservation, there is -- i know that doesn't work out for me. the people that can't see that are like people who are chewing on rosemary like a cow saying it tastes bitter. it's like you idiot, it's supposed to go in the soup. there is a whole soup of racism and if you only pull out one bit or another bit like you might miss the whole meal here and black people like the meal. >> i like your chant of yes, we care. that's a key part of this. i as much as this is a black political cliche, i watched the ruling in the barbershop this afternoon. no one was surprised. everyone said we're surprised the judge didn't give him a gold star and medal when he was done. speaking of which. paul one of the most galling things about you, what did shock a lot of people is the behavior is just the judge. i want to play a clip and get your thoughts on the other side as to what this does to our legal system when you see somebody behave like this in a trial that's so important. >> the word victim is a loaded, loaded word. i will tell you this, i'll think long and hard about live television at trial again next time. i don't know. i've always been a firm believer in it because i think the people should be able to believe what's going on but when i see what is going on is quite frightening. i was astonished when you began your examination by commenting on the defendant's post arrest silence. that's basic law. it's been basic law in this country for 40 years, 50 years. i have no idea why you would do something like that. >> you know, paul, i saw that and i want to make this clear to anyone out there, you know, legal twitter or legal commentary. there is not a prosecutor on the planet, okay, johnny cochran mixed with mccoy from "law and order" couldn't win a case when you have a judge behaving in this particular way. paul, my question for you is what does this do to people observing this case? is this judge that common and if he is that common, what hope is there for future cases that have to do with black lives matter and criminal justice if you have guys like this planted throughout the country able to basically completely put their thumb on the scale of justice when it comes to a case? >> unfortunately, jason, this are many judges in this country who tip the scales of justice in favor of the cause or side they like. and when there is a verdict of not guilty, those concerns don't go away but not resolved in legal form. the verdict is final. the prosecution cannot appeal. i want to say, though, that the defense gets a lot of the credit or a lot of the blame. mr. rittenhouse had the best defense money can buy. his $2 million legal defense fund enabled his lawyers to use o.j. simpson's jury consultant and before the trial, they held two practice jury trials that paid off well with mr. rittenhouse's well rehearsed testimony when he took the stand. most criminal defendants don't have those resources. rittenhouse wouldn't either but for people like donald trump and matt gaetz acting as cheerleaders for a man that gunned down three people. >> whenever we have a case like this, it has a larger sort of political resonance. i want to play vice president harris' comments after this and joy, i want your thoughts after it. what tone did she hit and is it right? >> the verdict speaks for itself. as many of you know, i spent the ma jorty of my career to make the criminal system more equatable and clearly, there is a lot more work to do. >> that left me a little cold. joy, what was your thought when you heard that from the vice president? [ laughter ] >> right. i mean, listen, she's a former prosecutor and so, you know, as somebody who worked in the criminal justice system herself, she has a sort of foundational l respect for the system so, you know, i wasn't expecting her to necessarily emote about the case. barack obama didn't do it as president. joe biden isn't going to do it. one important thing to remember, this is a woman as a senator tried to get an anti lynching law enacted and we haven't had one enacted in this country that had more lynchings than any other country. we can't get anti lynching law here. people don't want to legislate in that area. she trieded to do things to push criminal justice reform and police reform. she and cory booker supported it. that is dead. i want to remind you we talked about this judge. he's elected. he's a politician. he's an elected official until the state of wisconsin so this has to do with another piece she's attempting to work on is the vote. can people get access by the means you can replace this man and do you bother? he ran unopposed the last time he was put in that office and the last thing i'll say is we want to zoom out. we want kamala harris to be all things to all people. she has to represent everything black. but she's not the only person responsible to do that. this system is not on her shoulders. she didn't create it. she's a victim as much as everybody else. they have to look inward and don't look for a black lady to come zooming in on her white horse to fix it and fix your feelings about it. because the problem is there is an "l.a. timtimes" reporter tha talked about the far right groups from the proud boys on who are absolutely licking their chops today acting like they won the super bowl according to this reporter. what we need to worry about is we have nothing in place legally. we have nothing in place culturally or socially to stop the next group of white nationalists, proud boys, maga people, whoever they want to take from this verdict when they want and use it as permission to attack black lives matter and black lives matter ain't just black people as we just saw. mr. huber and rosenbaum are white. they are jewish. they are also victims and easily made victims because anyone who supports black lives matter should be very afraid tonight. >> she was only president for a couple hours today. we can't expect her to fix everything. joy reid thank you for letting me sit in this seat and thank you to my other guests. don't miss "politics nation" tomorrow. wanda cooper-jones and jacob blake senior. up next on "the reidout" why the rittenhouse verdict is so ominous. what it could mean for fruit tour of domestic terrorism in america. the build back better bill but the fight for the president's agenda is just beginning and democratic legislators are doing things like legislating, they are legislating. and tonight's absolute worst. you don't want to miss it. 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>> well, let me confirm for you that they are high fiving. they view this as a major victory for some time, you know, the free kyle t-shirts and kyle did nothing wrong types of t-shirts have been going on for, you know, have been inside the movement and main streamed itself into the republican party world and by doing that, what they have done is steeped kyle rittenhouse in the tee of white supremacy whether he wanted to be there or not. what he did by his very action of going out, going to a protest across state lines, being within a group of armed men performing what they call the korean on the rooftop, defending a position whether it's a business or other where they were not invited and then getting into this fight where he killed two men and wounded a third that is now the template on how to protest against antifa or black lives matter or any other person they consider race traitors. you have to understand for sometime these thoughts have been completely underground. they were not main streamed but now they are and worst yet, at some point, someone is going to weaponize the self-defense and when i say weaponize it, i mean, they're going to have a designated kyle rittenhouse and when you can anticipate or per -- per sip tate an attack, they can say it was in defense of another person. >> malcolm talked about this getting main stream. the thing that concerns me is not just violence and democracy but members of congress, republican members of congress doing whole tweet threads offering this kid everything from internships to an opportunity to hang out with them at the house. you literally have members of congress saying forget an application, forget being a candy striper, who cares about your grades, go out and kill people in the name of white supremacy and you can get an internship in my office, unpaid, of course. dean, what the heck do we do about that? >> this is part of the culture we're living in in the gop. you know, the gop, this gop has main stream white nationalism. look at jason days ago the same members of congress were defending paul gosar who put out a video where he is literally murdering aoc and over 200 republicans voted to defend paul gosar. this is a party led by donald trump, a man that incited the january 6th terror attack which a poll in july showed 55% of trump supporters don't view january 6th as an act of terrorism. i would submit they view it as defending what rittenhouse did. our criminal justice system is punish and detour. you punish someone from wrongdoing to detour them and this is the opposite. this emboldens. if there is a black lives matter movement, get your a.r. go on the stand and cry on queue and you walk and everyone should be concerned there is a gathering violence storm. the gop is seeding and naturing right in front of us. red flags are going off. this is a scary time. >> malcolm, we only have a couple seconds left. the fbi is saying islamic terror and domestic terror are equal in the united states now. the president, everybody in congress, whoever is watching now, malcolm, what do you think this country needs to do from a national security standpoint and the face of this kind of ruling and against this rising white nationalist terror in general? >> the fbi actually did a very good job back in the 1980s infiltrating and breaking down the groups but even though we have a tendency to believe this is law enforcement's job, there are things that can be done in the community. the ku klux klan was bankrupted by a little old lady taking away their resources even though they're handing out millions of dollars to people like kyle rittenhouse, civil suits are also another way of doing this. what you can't do is cannot concede this ground to the people who are extremists. >> that will be the greatest danger there we face. thank you for joining us this evening. democrats declare victory as the house votes to approve biden's signature build back better package. stay with us. we're talking about that, next. e stay with us we're talking about that, next ♪ you can get it if you really want it, by jimmy cliff ♪ [suitcase closing] [gusts of wind] [ding] to be a thriver with metastatic breast cancer means asking for what we want. and need. and we need more time. so, we want kisqali. women are living longer than ever before with kisqali when taken with an aromatase inhibitor or fulvestrant in postmenopausal women with hr+, her2- metastatic breast cancer. kisqali is a pill that's significantly more effective at delaying disease progression versus an aromatase inhibitor or fulvestrant alone. kisqali can cause lung problems, or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. avoid grapefruit during treatment. ask your doctor about living longer with kisqali. 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tell me you're happy. what specifically is passing this bill right now if this bill gets passed and we'll get that process later. what does it do for your constituents right here right now if this bill becomes law? >> jason, it's hard to describe how happy i am. this is transformative life changing legislation. we are creating millions of good paying jobs every year for the next decade. we are saving the planet from climate catastrophe. we are making child care high quality and affordable for literally every child in america. you already talked about universal prek for 3 and 4-year-olds and making health care affordable by expanding medicare to include hearing. this is beneficial to hundreds of thousands of my constituents. in fact, all of my constituents when you think about climate change and how it impacts everybody on the planet. this is something democrats did by unifying and of course, i got to give house progressives credit through insisting that we pass both the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the larger build back better act we're able to get this done and it goes to the senate where democrats in the senate have got to do the right thing. >> so congressman jones, this is where this is key, right? this is where we got to go all schoolhouse rock for people because a lot of folks are seeing this news now yes, it passed. got through the house. everyone is dancing and singing. now it's at the senate. what has to happen? break it down like we're 6. what has to happen in the senate for this bill to end up at the desk of president joe biden and signed? >> yeah, so one of two things can happen. the senate can pass the house version of the build back better act or it can make changes, which is itsprerogative. that will be a process that results in a senate version also acceptable to the house and we'll have to vote to pass it again and then it will go to the president's desk for his signature. i'm so confident this will get done. i'm ptimistic we'll do it this year. we got a bunch of other things to deal with including the debt ceiling in a few weeks but by all accounts, this is something that even joe mansion understands the importance of. >> so one of the critiques that the democratic party faces, sometimes fairly, sometimes frankly unfairly is y'all don't always know how to sell good things that you do, right? you should still be getting credit for the cares act and covid relief and everything else like that and the american public is like what have you done for me lately other than put shots in arms? did the democratic party need to do to sell this to america? the midterms from a political standpoint start sometime in january. what's the message that democrats need to have everywhere across the country from arizona to montana to michigan to new york to say hey, the build back better plan makes a difference for you and you need to keep us in our jobs? what's the message? >> we've got to be talking about it non-stop and specifically how it will cut costs for most americans in this country. i mean, this is a huge middle class tax cut and of course, it does also make the wealthiest in our society pay their fair share that so everyone can live in dignity. this will reduce the cost of health care, also the cost of child care and of course, it makes prek universal. it extends the child tax credit. and this is something that keep quit -- creates millions of good paying union jobs over the course of the next decade. we have to talk about this and so much more nonstop and of course, we cannot forget that we passed just two weeks ago the by -- bipartisan inrastructure bill. our roads, our bridges and our highways are in need of repair for more than a generation and people will see the results of that once in a lifetime investment in their local communities. >> congressman jones, thank you so very much for your time. i think this is a great bill. you need to get pharrell to come up with a song. i think you guys can make this work. thank you for joining us this evening. republicans ramp up their assault on elections with a new push to get rid of a bipartisans election agency and send members to jail. be back with that after this break on "the reidout." t after s break on "the reidout. some nail polish, a bottle of champagne, and a box of chocolates. 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>> i'm deeply concerned about the form, how the bill was passed. folks had 24 hours to review it but i'm very concerned about the content. we're talking about nearly 50 changes to georgia's election law. it added five new crimes, right? that criminalized voting behavior much -- there are echoes in the wisconsin proposal to what has already passed the senate bill 202 in georgia. we're talking about cutting the number of days of early voting. we're talking about punishing county election officials and state election officials who send absentee ballot applications to voters unlat l -- unilaterally. a lot that lead to voter increased participation, there is a white lash against those now that we're witnessing in georgia in addition to criminalizing voting and voting behavior. so i'm deeply concerned because 400 anti voting bills have been introduced in what 48 out of these 50 united states, that this is a fundamental, like, blow to our democracy and democratic process. the republicans are playing for keeps so the horse race people need to understand this. in the past redistricting was usually about protecting incumbents. regardless of party. sp make the new guys fight it out. we have had a democratic seat for 15 years. republicans are now out to completely eliminate any sort of competition. i want to highlight something. your thoughts on this. in virginia, where they made voting easier after 2020, republicans won the governor ship. so these antivoting laws passed right now are not pasing them because they are concerned about their chances to win. when voting is easier republicans still win. the motivation is to steal, right? >> 100%. it's become clear that as fewer and fewer americans are aligning with their platform, that the way for republicans to hold onto power in this moment, this version of the republican party is attacking elections. as way to hold onto power. and adds we can see it is effecting so many other policy areas. row vs. wade on the chopping block. and could be gone. the judge in the rittenhouse case is an elected official. on and on and on. so, yeah, it worked in their favor. in virginia. this is a larger broader, well funded, national imperative on the part of the gop. and i'll point out that for those who are sort of marking and tracking xs and os and figuring out where the parties are, there's the 2024 wing of the gop. and the never trumpers. and they don't agree on much. except for making it more difficult for americans to vote. and saying no to everything that is contained within the biden harris agenda. so it's a party of no. and it's the party of let's break the election. let's make it more difficult for people to vote. because we're losing. because we have -- we have lost creditability. as a party. and that we have basically descended into what i can only describe as a republican crime family. >> i have to tell you, you are absolutely correct. thank you for joining us on the "the reidout." >> joy returns in a moment with tonight's absolute worst. as the right wing unleashes hate upon some cuddly mup ets. ♪ my songs know what you did in the dark ♪ ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ i'm on fire ♪ ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em... ♪ do i need to pretreat my laundry? 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find the defendant not guilty. as to the third count, not guilty. as to the fourth count, not guilty, as to the fifth count, not guilty. >> >> now he's really crying. rittenhouse who faced live in prison broke down in court after the verdict was read. his attorney said rittenhouse would like to get on with his life but the judge heavily criticized for bias towards the defense was fair and then discussed the larger implications of the verdict. >> when you want to talk about implications and precedent and things like that, is it ever going to happen again? you know, is there ever going to be a total unrest in kenosha or some other city and that is going to happen? you know, i just don't see that. it was a case about self-defense. the right to protect one's self. >> president biden told reporters that we have to respect the jury's decision. and the parents of anthony huber, rittenhouse's second verdict released this statement. today's verdict means there is no accountability for the person that murdered our son. it sends the unacceptable message that armed civilians can show up in any town, incite violence and use the danger that he cr created to justify shooting people. those to hold those responsible for anthony's death continues in full force. the lawyers for the other two victims,said while today's verdict means justice delayed, it doesn't mean justice denied. we will uncover the truth of the night and hold those responsible to account. people outside the courthouse has a range of reactions to the verdict. >> that's the law. that's what though chose. we accept it. >> i feel like they made the right choice, you know, it was simple self-defense. that kid was attacked out here. >> this argument that he killed them because of what they did and it's okay, no, it's not right. >> the demonstrations at the heart of the trial were in response to the police shooting of jacob blake shot seven times by a white kenosha police officer and paralyzed from the waste down -- waist down. his uncle joseph blake was unsparing. >> self-defense is when you're protecting your home, you're protecting your family, he in a very bastardly way used the law to work for him. there was absolutely no self-defense. >> while it is shocking rittenhouse is not found guilty, it's not surprising at all. in fact, it's a return to normal for america after the conviction of former minnesota police officer derek chauvin for the murder of george floyd. joy reid the host of this show reverend al sharpton, host of msnbc "politics nation" and paul butler, former federal prosecutor and georgetown law professor and elie join us now. i cannot imaine a better panel of people i would rather be talking to or texting with tonight. joy, since it's your show and i'm blessed to be sitting here, start us off. what was your first thought when you heard the verdict that rittenhouse would get free? >> well, i want to first thank you, jjason, for holding down te fort tonight. i was on a flight because i took today off on a plane. i was watching it on the flight. i was not at all surprised. we've talked about this. i mean, this is what we expected to happen because i think we have to keep in mind when we're watching the criminal justice system at work, that it was designed to do exactly what it did today. gun laws helped to enhance the design to allow this verdict to happen today. this country was built on the idea of white men had a particular kind of freedom and a particular kind of citizen ship that only they have. that gives, you know, from the slave catchers on the right to inflict violence in the name of protecting property. that's like the foundational creation of the united states. so it would have been shocking. the real -- i'm glad you mentioned the derek chauvin verdict. that was a surprising verdict. this should have been unsurprising but what we have to think about is not only the families of the two men who died and the family, they should be in our minds now because they suffered and there are a lot of white people who have defended black lives and paid for it with their lives. that goes back to john brown and the civil rights movement but what i am concerned about is the precedent this sets for what people will believe that they can do under law when black lives matter protests happen in the future and people may use this as an excuse to go out of state and do what he did and get away with it. >> i want to keep on that point, joy. paul, that's the first thing that occurred to me after this ruling is oh, well, okay, now it's open season. like, if i'm walking around and i'm a white nationalist coward little kid with an r-15 and i see someone drive by i'll open fire and a youth group chanting black lives matter and i feel threatened, i can open fire. paul, is the ruling today really a precedent or is this the kind of thing that was always going to end up happening and we shouldn't see this as a real watershed moment? >> it's not a formal ego precedent but make no mistake, rittenhouse will be the pollster child for reactionry white men that want to take the law into their hands and bring assault weapons to black lives matter protests and think that violence is a legitimate form of political discourse. in the eyes of the law, rittenhouse is now actually the victim of the three men he shot but evidence says rittenhouse went to kenosha spoiling for a fight and brought an assault weapon and bulletproof visit. it doesn't mean the jury brought the boy scott image but they had reasonable doubt they weren't 95% certain but jason, i can't imagine they're happy about an immature and reckless 17-year-old bringing a semi assault rifle to patrol their streets and i agree with joy, i think we should be troubled that other people who want to take the law into their own hands might view this verdict as an invitation. >> rev, so earlier this year, you know, i saw you on the air and you talked about hey, part of why derek chauvin was convicted is because you had just massive nationwide global multi cultural protests about george floyd. the issue a lot of people have, especially my students and young people who aren't actively involved in politics are like darn, it took a year's worth of protest to get one cop convicted but now we're right back to what we had before whether it's ahmaud arbery being killed or kylen rittenhouse. what is the activist response when there is a ruling like this because i can't imagine a lot of people don't feel despondant? >> what you must also factor in is even when the george floyd murder happened, it's come out some of the violence in minneapolis was done by right wingers who pretended to be burning down places in minneapolis that they were part of the movement and they were not, which means that now we can see people baiting violence to have a reaction to justify doing what rittenhouse got away with today. this is a very, very serious problem for activism because now we're being told that someone can cross state lines with a semiautomatic rifle and kill people and say itself defense and they have this case to cite saying i'm like rittenhouse. let's remember, rittenhouse is being offered internships by members of congress like he's a hero. in the frame of one week ministers go to brunswick, georgia with bibles in their hand and we're condemned and he goes with an automatic weapon given offers of congressional internship. this is where we are now and it is startling and brings a threat to the white and black that want to stand up against systemic racism in this country. >> to think i tell my students for internship is being moral and to be truthful i, you have to go murder people. i feel like you were in the courtroom, elie, part of what the national story is from kenosha, the degree of empathy african americans had for the victims in contrast to how many white americans are trying to explain what happened to george floyd or what happened to walter scott. why do you think that is? why do you think this case, even not the victims are white, why do you think it resonates so much with african-americans and why so many people are passionate and disturbed about this? >> that's a great question. black people don't care about race, they care about justice. he armed himself with a weapon and shot two people. people during a protest for police brutality. we care. it doesn't matter the victims are white. not to black people. it doesn't matter the victims were white. it means justice was not done and that is something that honestly i do not understand why so many white people can't see that. it's like they're telling on themselves, right? the whole point here is that -- and this is where, you know, i'm going to bring up i think there is a theory about it that asks you to critically think how systems work in this country, right? like there is a per miss sieveness against white violence and black people regard wills of the victim of any white instance of violence, black people know overall white people aren't with guns patrolling the streets being able to shoot whatever they want to doesn't work out well for us. so there is a concern about justice and fairness and there is some self-preservation, there is -- i know that doesn't work out for me. the people that can't see that are like people who are chewing on rosemary like a cow saying it tastes bitter. it's like you idiot, it's supposed to go in the soup. there is a whole soup of racism and if you only pull out one bit or another bit like you might miss the whole meal here and black people like the meal. >> i like your chant of yes, we care. that's a key part of this. i as much as this is a black political cliche, i watched the ruling in the barbershop this afternoon. no one was surprised. everyone said we're surprised the judge didn't give him a gold star and medal when he was done. speaking of which. paul one of the most galling things about you, what did shock a lot of people is the behavior is just the judge. i want to play a clip and get your thoughts on the other side as to what this does to our legal system when you see somebody behave like this in a trial that's so important. >> the word victim is a loaded, loaded word. i will tell you this, i'll think long and hard about live television at trial again next time. i don't know. i've always been a firm believer in it because i think the people should be able to believe what's going on but when i see what is going on is quite frightening. i was astonished when you began your examination by commenting on the defendant's post arrest silence. that's basic law. it's been basic law in this country for 40 years, 50 years. i have no idea why you would do something like that. >> you know, paul, i saw that and i want to make this clear to anyone out there, you know, legal twitter or legal commentary. there is not a prosecutor on the planet, okay, johnny cochran mixed with mccoy from "law and order" couldn't win a case when you have a judge behaving in this particular way. paul, my question for you is what does this do to people observing this case? is this judge that common and if he is that common, what hope is there for future cases that have to do with black lives matter and criminal justice if you have guys like this planted throughout the country able to basically completely put their thumb on the scale of justice when it comes to a case? >> unfortunately, jason, this are many judges in this country who tip the scales of justice in favor of the cause or side they like. and when there is a verdict of not guilty, those concerns don't go away but not resolved in legal form. the verdict is final. the prosecution cannot appeal. i want to say, though, that the defense gets a lot of the credit or a lot of the blame. mr. rittenhouse had the best defense money can buy. his $2 million legal defense fund enabled his lawyers to use o.j. simpson's jury consultant and before the trial, they held two practice jury trials that paid off well with mr. rittenhouse's well rehearsed testimony when he took the stand. most criminal defendants don't have those resources. rittenhouse wouldn't either but for people like donald trump and matt gaetz acting as cheerleaders for a man that gunned down three people. >> whenever we have a case like this, it has a larger sort of political resonance. i want to play vice president harris' comments after this and joy, i want your thoughts after it. what tone did she hit and is it right? >> the verdict speaks for itself. as many of you know, i spent the ma jorty of my career to make the criminal system more equatable and clearly, there is a lot more work to do. >> that left me a little cold. joy, what was your thought when you heard that from the vice president? [ laughter ] >> right. i mean, listen, she's a former prosecutor and so, you know, as somebody who worked in the criminal justice system herself, she has a sort of foundational l respect for the system so, you know, i wasn't expecting her to necessarily emote about the case. barack obama didn't do it as president. joe biden isn't going to do it. one important thing to remember, this is a woman as a senator tried to get an anti lynching law enacted and we haven't had one enacted in this country that had more lynchings than any other country. we can't get anti lynching law here. people don't want to legislate in that area. she trieded to do things to push criminal justice reform and police reform. she and cory booker supported it. that is dead. i want to remind you we talked about this judge. he's elected. he's a politician. he's an elected official until the state of wisconsin so this has to do with another piece she's attempting to work on is the vote. can people get access by the means you can replace this man and do you bother? he ran unopposed the last time he was put in that office and the last thing i'll say is we want to zoom out. we want kamala harris to be all things to all people. she has to represent everything black. but she's not the only person responsible to do that. this system is not on her shoulders. she didn't create it. she's a victim as much as everybody else. they have to look inward and don't look for a black lady to come zooming in on her white horse to fix it and fix your feelings about it. because the problem is there is an "l.a. timtimes" reporter tha talked about the far right groups from the proud boys on who are absolutely licking their chops today acting like they won the super bowl according to this reporter. what we need to worry about is we have nothing in place legally. we have nothing in place culturally or socially to stop the next group of white nationalists, proud boys, maga people, whoever they want to take from this verdict when they want and use it as permission to attack black lives matter and black lives matter ain't just black people as we just saw. mr. huber and rosenbaum are white. they are jewish. they are also victims and easily made victims because anyone who supports black lives matter should be very afraid tonight. >> she was only president for a couple hours today. we can't expect her to fix everything. joy reid thank you for letting me sit in this seat and thank you to my other guests. don't miss "politics nation" tomorrow. wanda cooper-jones and jacob blake senior. up next on "the reidout" why the rittenhouse verdict is so ominous. what it could mean for fruit tour of domestic terrorism in america. the build back better bill but the fight for the president's agenda is just beginning and democratic legislators are doing things like legislating, they are legislating. and tonight's absolute worst. you don't want to miss it. 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>> well, let me confirm for you that they are high fiving. they view this as a major victory for some time, you know, the free kyle t-shirts and kyle did nothing wrong types of t-shirts have been going on for, you know, have been inside the movement and main streamed itself into the republican party world and by doing that, what they have done is steeped kyle rittenhouse in the tee of white supremacy whether he wanted to be there or not. what he did by his very action of going out, going to a protest across state lines, being within a group of armed men performing what they call the korean on the rooftop, defending a position whether it's a business or other where they were not invited and then getting into this fight where he killed two men and wounded a third that is now the template on how to protest against antifa or black lives matter or any other person they consider race traitors. you have to understand for sometime these thoughts have been completely underground. they were not main streamed but now they are and worst yet, at some point, someone is going to weaponize the self-defense and when i say weaponize it, i mean, they're going to have a designated kyle rittenhouse and when you can anticipate or per -- per sip tate an attack, they can say it was in defense of another person. >> malcolm talked about this getting main stream. the thing that concerns me is not just violence and democracy but members of congress, republican members of congress doing whole tweet threads offering this kid everything from internships to an opportunity to hang out with them at the house. you literally have members of congress saying forget an application, forget being a candy striper, who cares about your grades, go out and kill people in the name of white supremacy and you can get an internship in my office, unpaid, of course. dean, what the heck do we do about that? >> this is part of the culture we're living in in the gop. you know, the gop, this gop has main stream white nationalism. look at jason days ago the same members of congress were defending paul gosar who put out a video where he is literally murdering aoc and over 200 republicans voted to defend paul gosar. this is a party led by donald trump, a man that incited the january 6th terror attack which a poll in july showed 55% of trump supporters don't view january 6th as an act of terrorism. i would submit they view it as defending what rittenhouse did. our criminal justice system is punish and detour. you punish someone from wrongdoing to detour them and this is the opposite. this emboldens. if there is a black lives matter movement, get your a.r. go on the stand and cry on queue and you walk and everyone should be concerned there is a gathering violence storm. the gop is seeding and naturing right in front of us. red flags are going off. this is a scary time. >> malcolm, we only have a couple seconds left. the fbi is saying islamic terror and domestic terror are equal in the united states now. the president, everybody in congress, whoever is watching now, malcolm, what do you think this country needs to do from a national security standpoint and the face of this kind of ruling and against this rising white nationalist terror in general? >> the fbi actually did a very good job back in the 1980s infiltrating and breaking down the groups but even though we have a tendency to believe this is law enforcement's job, there are things that can be done in the community. the ku klux klan was bankrupted by a little old lady taking away their resources even though they're handing out millions of dollars to people like kyle rittenhouse, civil suits are also another way of doing this. what you can't do is cannot concede this ground to the people who are extremists. >> that will be the greatest danger there we face. thank you for joining us this evening. democrats declare victory as the house votes to approve biden's signature build back better package. stay with us. we're talking about that, next. e stay with us we're talking about that, next ♪ you can get it if you really want it, by jimmy cliff ♪ [suitcase closing] [gusts of wind] [ding] to be a thriver with metastatic breast cancer means asking for what we want. and need. and we need more time. so, we want kisqali. women are living longer than ever before with kisqali when taken with an aromatase inhibitor or fulvestrant in postmenopausal women with hr+, her2- metastatic breast cancer. kisqali is a pill that's significantly more effective at delaying disease progression versus an aromatase inhibitor or fulvestrant alone. kisqali can cause lung problems, or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. avoid grapefruit during treatment. ask your doctor about living longer with kisqali. 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tell me you're happy. what specifically is passing this bill right now if this bill gets passed and we'll get that process later. what does it do for your constituents right here right now if this bill becomes law? >> jason, it's hard to describe how happy i am. this is transformative life changing legislation. we are creating millions of good paying jobs every year for the next decade. we are saving the planet from climate catastrophe. we are making child care high quality and affordable for literally every child in america. you already talked about universal prek for 3 and 4-year-olds and making health care affordable by expanding medicare to include hearing. this is beneficial to hundreds of thousands of my constituents. in fact, all of my constituents when you think about climate change and how it impacts everybody on the planet. this is something democrats did by unifying and of course, i got to give house progressives credit through insisting that we pass both the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the larger build back better act we're able to get this done and it goes to the senate where democrats in the senate have got to do the right thing. >> so congressman jones, this is where this is key, right? this is where we got to go all schoolhouse rock for people because a lot of folks are seeing this news now yes, it passed. got through the house. everyone is dancing and singing. now it's at the senate. what has to happen? break it down like we're 6. what has to happen in the senate for this bill to end up at the desk of president joe biden and signed? >> yeah, so one of two things can happen. the senate can pass the house version of the build back better act or it can make changes, which is itsprerogative. that will be a process that results in a senate version also acceptable to the house and we'll have to vote to pass it again and then it will go to the president's desk for his signature. i'm so confident this will get done. i'm ptimistic we'll do it this year. we got a bunch of other things to deal with including the debt ceiling in a few weeks but by all accounts, this is something that even joe mansion understands the importance of. >> so one of the critiques that the democratic party faces, sometimes fairly, sometimes frankly unfairly is y'all don't always know how to sell good things that you do, right? you should still be getting credit for the cares act and covid relief and everything else like that and the american public is like what have you done for me lately other than put shots in arms? did the democratic party need to do to sell this to america? the midterms from a political standpoint start sometime in january. what's the message that democrats need to have everywhere across the country from arizona to montana to michigan to new york to say hey, the build back better plan makes a difference for you and you need to keep us in our jobs? what's the message? >> we've got to be talking about it non-stop and specifically how it will cut costs for most americans in this country. i mean, this is a huge middle class tax cut and of course, it does also make the wealthiest in our society pay their fair share that so everyone can live in dignity. this will reduce the cost of health care, also the cost of child care and of course, it makes prek universal. it extends the child tax credit. and this is something that keep quit -- creates millions of good paying union jobs over the course of the next decade. we have to talk about this and so much more nonstop and of course, we cannot forget that we passed just two weeks ago the by -- bipartisan inrastructure bill. our roads, our bridges and our highways are in need of repair for more than a generation and people will see the results of that once in a lifetime investment in their local communities. >> congressman jones, thank you so very much for your time. i think this is a great bill. you need to get pharrell to come up with a song. i think you guys can make this work. thank you for joining us this evening. republicans ramp up their assault on elections with a new push to get rid of a bipartisans election agency and send members to jail. be back with that after this break on "the reidout." t after s break on "the reidout. some nail polish, a bottle of champagne, and a box of chocolates. 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>> i'm deeply concerned about the form, how the bill was passed. folks had 24 hours to review it but i'm very concerned about the content. we're talking about nearly 50 changes to georgia's election law. it added five new crimes, right? that criminalized voting behavior much -- there are echoes in the wisconsin proposal to what has already passed the senate bill 202 in georgia. we're talking about cutting the number of days of early voting. we're talking about punishing county election officials and state election officials who send absentee ballot applications to voters unlat l -- unilaterally. a lot that lead to voter increased participation, there is a white lash against those now that we're witnessing in georgia in addition to criminalizing voting and voting behavior. so i'm deeply concerned because 400 anti voting bills have been introduced in what 48 out of these 50 united states, that this is a fundamental, like, blow to our democracy and democratic process. the republicans are playing for keeps so the horse race people need to understand this. in the past redistricting was usually about protecting incumbents. regardless of party. sp make the new guys fight it out. we have had a democratic seat for 15 years. republicans are now out to completely eliminate any sort of competition. i want to highlight something. your thoughts on this. in virginia, where they made voting easier after 2020, republicans won the governor ship. so these antivoting laws passed right now are not pasing them because they are concerned about their chances to win. when voting is easier republicans still win. the motivation is to steal, right? >> 100%. it's become clear that as fewer and fewer americans are aligning with their platform, that the way for republicans to hold onto power in this moment, this version of the republican party is attacking elections. as way to hold onto power. and adds we can see it is effecting so many other policy areas. row vs. wade on the chopping block. and could be gone. the judge in the rittenhouse case is an elected official. on and on and on. so, yeah, it worked in their favor. in virginia. this is a larger broader, well funded, national imperative on the part of the gop. and i'll point out that for those who are sort of marking and tracking xs and os and figuring out where the parties are, there's the 2024 wing of the gop. and the never trumpers. and they don't agree on much. except for making it more difficult for americans to vote. and saying no to everything that is contained within the biden harris agenda. so it's a party of no. and it's the party of let's break the election. let's make it more difficult for people to vote. because we're losing. because we have -- we have lost creditability. as a party. and that we have basically descended into what i can only describe as a republican crime family. >> i have to tell you, you are absolutely correct. thank you for joining us on the "the reidout." >> joy returns in a moment with tonight's absolute worst. as the right wing unleashes hate upon some cuddly mup ets. ♪ my songs know what you did in the dark ♪ ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ light 'em up, up, up ♪ ♪ i'm on fire ♪ ♪ so light 'em up, up, up light 'em... ♪ do i need to pretreat my laundry? 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