and match approach for covid booster shots as early as this week. as debates continue over which shots offer the best protection. this is the biggest news for johnson & johnson recipients. later, moderates and progressives are headed to the white house today to meet with president biden separately, amid a flurry of new talks inside the democratic caucus, as it continues to struggle over the size, scope, and urgency of the biden agenda. ♪♪ welcome to "meet the press daily," i'm chuck todd. we have another example of the republican party's willingness to overlook the former president's ongoing attacks on our democracy. this weekend, the former president publicly called for the 2020 election results to be de-certified in arizona and for him to be declared the winner. he said if that doesn't happen, there should be a new election. he is saying this on a constant daily basis, by the way. if social media existed, you'd probably hear about it more. there has been virtually no reaction to republican leaders. none, zilch, zip. the numbness to trump's attacks on our democracy is remarkable. a producer told me, it is numb and number. they try to let trump run out the clock over his role into the insurrection. trump has done to this committee what he's done in every lawsuit or investigation he's been involved with. he filed a lawsuit against the committee and the national archives, seeking to delay. in this case, the specific is to block access to his presidential records and documents. it is all about delay, delay, delay, delay. the white house, of course, responded to the suit this morning saying, quote, as president biden determined, the constitutional protections of executive privilege shouldn't be used to shield information that reflects a stance to subvert the constitution itself. be prepared, you know this, the late tactics are trump's lone do-to move. it's what he does. they've worked for him, sadly, so many times before. from bankruptcy filings to impeachment probes. they might work again here because of the clock issue. what clock am i referring to? the one on this congress. if republicans win back the house next year, they're likely to shut down the house investigation into the insurrection. there isn't a lot of time for the investigation to do its work. we have to go to a court fight to find out if they can get access to the president's records, that ain't going to take days. you're looking at weeks or months. this is why this afternoon the committee will try to make an example of steve bannon for defying the request for documents and testimony. they'll be voting to advance a criminal contempt charge, which after a full vote in the house will be referred to the justice department for potential prosecution. if the justice department takes it to a grand jury, which it appears more likely than not, bannon could be faced with a simple choice, start cooperating with the committee or go to jail. by the way, if he sits in jail for a year, he could avoid ever talking to the committee. so what is next? where does the road map for the january 6th committee's probe lead us as a political matter, a legal matter? as a national matter and as a democracy? more importantly, how long will it take us to get there, and can we get to the end of this investigation before the end of this congress? leigh ann caldwell is on capitol hill. also, professor of constitutional law at boston university law school. and "washington post"'s robert costa, author of oodward. we'll be joined by pete williams, justice correspondent, in a moment. let's go to capitol hill where the action is taking place today. we know bannon's folks tried to get a one-week delay. the committee said no. this vote is going to happen today. how quickly will the full house vote to send this referral to the justice department? >> reporter: speaker pelosi hasn't said when the house is going to vote, but everyone is under the impression it'll happen quickly. the reason is because the committee has moved very quickly toward this vote with steve bannon. this is -- we all know congress and we know how slowly things usually work around here. the fact that the committee is moving with such speed on this vote is a signal that that's how they're going to operate throughout this entire process. so we should expect a vote perhaps as early as this week. we also know the committee is going to vote to refer this steve bannon contempt issue tonight unanimously. that's what we expect to happen. the committee is united, even the two republicans on this committee. we expect chair cheney, co-chair, and bennie thompson to speak with one voice on this issue. they're trying to make an executive of steve bannon because, ultimately, they want people to comply. they want everyone to comply, including steve bannon. they remind me that these are high-profile people, but there's a lot of other people who they have subpoenaed as well, who are going to be just as important as people like steve bannon and mark meadows, chuck. >> so here's the question i have. they know what the trump tactics are, which is to delay all these things. given the clock is the calendar on this congress, it's the end of '22. you have to prepare for the possibility that this investigation isn't going to be able to -- we're on a finite timeline. does the committee start some subpoenas a little bit earlier than they may have otherwise planned, essentially in order to start the -- you know, these are all going to be taken to court. get the court filings started now so that you might be able to accelerate that part of the process here, so that you make the running out the clock strategy a bit harder to use? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. i mean, i'm not a lawyer so i can't talk about how long this is going to take in the courts. but the fact the committee only gave people who they have subpoenaed two weeks to comply is a relatively short amount of time. but also happening in the background of this public subpoena fight is the documents that this committee is also receiving from social media and tech companies, as well. thousands of pages of documents that they're going through. so there's these multi-faceted elements of this committee that are -- that they think are working in concert with each other. but the subpoena fight is the most public fight, and they also think that the timing of the trump lawsuit was an attempt to distract from this vote that's going to take place today. they're aware of trump's tactics. >> any update on scavino, meadows, and kash patel? let me separate out. meadows and patel were still apparently negotiating with the committee. do we know where that's standing? obviously, scavino, they gave him a little bit more time because he was -- he took a while to be found by his subpoena. we'll put it that way. >> reporter: yeah, i'm told there's no changes. patel and meadows are in the engagement phase. they haven't yet moved to the cooperation phase with the committee. like you said, scavino is still in the postponement phase of the committee. so those are still open questions. they're working with those three, and so there hasn't been many big developments publicly yet anyway, chuck. >> pete williams, the trump lawsuit here, where -- so the judge may not be a friendly judge to him, at least that seems to be some early coverage of that. but lay out a potential timeline here on the resolution of this. because, obviously, that matters in when or if the january 6th gets its hands on some of this material. >> it's about the documents so far, not about the testimony that you've been talking about up until this point. this is the two requests the committee made to archives in march and august, archives which is the custodian of all the former president's papers. the way it works under the federal law, if somebody asks and the archives goes to the white house and the former president and says, "what do you want us to do," as you know here, trump said, "i want to exert executiven says, "it's no legitimate. we think it is important to go to congress." that weakens the president's position but doesn't take it away. what he is suing is he is making two points about the committee. number one, he says it doesn't have the right to ask for these at all anyway because its only authority to gather information is for legislating, not for investigating. that's an argument trump used in the past and it hasn't been successful. the second is the executive privilege one, and that has to be worked out. that could take, you know, if it goes to the supreme court, it could take a year, two years. before we get the answer on whether president trump can exert executive wins or loses w determine what can beturned over to the committee. the executive privilege thing appears to have some legs, it could take that long. >> robert, i saw a quote from somebody else who shared your academic credentials. when it comes to the issue of executive privilege for former presidents, it is an empty legal road map. this hasn't been fully litigated. there are hints. >> i think that's right, chuck. you know, it's a sort of situation where i think the select committee is doing the smart thing by going after bannon. he's sort of the low-hanging fruit among the people who are acting in this way. he was not acting as a government official with respect to the documents, the testimony that they're seeking. you know, on top of that, the sort of subject they're investigating does not appear to have to do with any official functions that the president was involved in. so his, you know, position legally is the weakest of the bunch. so i guess what i would say is that he's got part of a leg to stand on, and it's very wobbly because there is a little bit of case law and some language that suggests that presidents have been successful at times, and they've certainly tried to claim privilege with respect to some conversations with people who are private parties at that point, in order to fulfill the public functions. but a lot of those questions have not yet been fully litigated. >> so, you know, one of the asks that the president's legal team has here, robert, is this idea that at a minimum, they want to go through everything they may be asking for and help decide whether it's worthy or not. the point being is that felt like a plan c for delay tactics. meaning, i could see a court saying, yeah, maybe there should be some sort of special legal team that decides what belongs in privilege and what doesn't. which, to me, sounds like it could also take a long time to decide that. which, of course, could successfully run out the clock on the democrats in this investigation. is that a likely scenario here? >> it certainly is. this is how most of these kinds of disputes are resolved, through some sort of negotiation. one of the things that will be different this time around is the political dimension. that is to say that the biden administration, as folks already pointed out, have indicated that at least with respect to most of the documents in the hands of the national archives, they are not going to assert some sort of blanket executive privilege. that's going to put pressure on bannon and certainly the others to try to come up with some sort of workable solution. so we don't know yet, of course, how committed he is in terms of wanting to spend time in prison, potentially, up to a year. >> right. >> if he sort of holds out and fights a judicial resolution on this. yes, most of the time these kinds of things get resolved. i would suggest that if they get a negative decision, that is to say, bannon loses in any of these judicial cases, then you'll see the others sort of roll over pretty fast and work out something. >> yeah. >> robert costa, let's talk about the political element here. we're in this weird place for this investigation because senate republicans refused to put their stamp on this investigation. they did not want to give this -- you know, they wanted to appease trump by not giving it a bipartisan stamp of approval. liz cheney and adam kissinger did their best to try to improve the prospects of that. that was the decision. i want you to listen to this exchange between one of our reporters, julie, and kevin cramer. the former president has been out there on the big lie in a more aggressive way in the last ten days than, frankly, we've seen in a long time. listen to the dismissively of kevin cramer after this being a serious issue. >> does that concern you, as somebody who could potentially be the nominee again in 2024. you voted for him. >> doesn't concern me. again, what concerns me more is when we cancel out people who have a different view than, you know, certain other people. i'm very concerned by the cancel culture going on in this country. by the shutting down of views that, you know, mark zuckerberg disagrees with or somebody else. the last time i checked, joe biden was sworn in. he is in the oval office screwing up this country in a massive way. there's plenty of things to criticize joe biden for because he won the election. so it's not an area i spend a lot of time hanging out. not an area many people do, honestly. i, frankly, find the media's obsession with donald trump to be unhealthy. >> the media's obsession. this is a new sort of trick by republicans now. they try to duck responsibility for what their party is not willing to do with the democracy and somehow blame the press. >> well, as a reporter, you go back to the facts here. republicans can have their opinion, but the facts are very clear. president trump was intimately involved with planning the effort and coordinating the effort to block biden's certification, to overturn the election. many players around him in his inner circle, dan scavino, steve bannon, were working with him to try to block biden's certification. our book, "peril," is cited in the subpoena document, detailing these scenes of bannon and trump on the phone, scavino in the oval office on january 5th. whether you're a republican or democrat, you might choose to look away, but the facts still exist. another point here, executive privilege is not a guarantee. it is a modern phenomena. when you look at u.s. versus nixon during watergate, presidents have been proven in the past to not have this kind of wholesale say over whether their documents or tapes are protected under the law. it's going to be really interesting to see what the supreme court does. as an insurrection at the u.s. capitol, considering criminal activity and documents that need to be shared. >> the phrase i used earlier from a producer, the gop is numb and number on this now. i thought it was brilliant. i'm curious, robert, do you think youngkin losing because of this issue, which i would argue if he loses by more than three or four points, it's going to be clear that invoking donald trump and the threat of him to the democracy does resonate with swing voters at least in virginia. if that is the case, is that going to break through? does that get mitch mcconnell? i know he doesn't ever have any regrets, but he single-handedly made sure this investigation got watered down by his decision to stand in the way of this. does this at all break the republican silence on trump? >> the issue here is that it is not just trump from the top down, putting pressure on the republican party. that's only one prism to see the reality in american politics. a lot of the pressure now is from the bottom up. bannon, his supporters, changing election laws. a lot of this outside of the control or even the fingerprints of donald trump. it's a trump-supporting phenomenon that's taking over the party, has immense political capital, and the players in washington, whether they want to acknowledge it or not, know that's the power source in the gop, not them. >> yeah. i had a republican source invoke to me, yeah, it's like fishing. when the fish gives up, and many of these republican leaders have simply given up, trying to fight trump and trumpism right now. pete williams, leigh ann caldwell kicking us off, robert tsai and robert costa. appreciate the expertise you bring to the issue. coming up, one of the most asked questions these days about the coronavirus. can booster shots be mixed and matched? can a j&j get a moderna? so forth. the fda is reportedly set to say yes, any day now. we're going to get into the details of what the mixing and matching means next. and later, the intensifying power struggle between the united states and china. cold war 2.0 is here. china denies testing a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile, sort of. you're watching "meet the press daily." this is... ♪ ♪ this is iowa. we just haven't been properly introduced. say hello to the place where rolling hills meets low bills. where our fields, inside and out, are always growing. and where the fun is just getting started. this is iowa. so, when are you coming to see us? ♪ ♪ welcome back. the fda's final decision on authorizing moderna and johnson & johnson boosters is expected any day now. it can clear the way for extra shots in arms for millions more american, within days, especially for folks that have immunocompromises, you know, how many more pieces of evidence do you need? if you're battling other ailments, two doses may not be enough. anyway, there is new reporting from the "new york times" which says the fda is planning to green light the mix and matching of some booster shots. this comes after an independent panel reviewed a report from the fda meeting. the data showed mix and matching booster shots, boosting fully vaccinated folks from a different shot than what they already received is safe and effective. whether it is a viral vector vaccine like johnson & johnson or an mrna vaccine like the moderna and pfizer. so joining me now to answer some of these questions is the former acting director of the cdc himself under president obama, dr. richard besser. currently the president and ceo of the robert woods johnson foundation. improving health inequity. let me ask this, is mixing and matching better or just an alternative to getting the booster shot? is this just another alternative, or could it actually be better? >> chuck, i'll be looking forward to what fda has to say about this. it is a limited amount of data they're looking at, but the data from nih that they looked at last week, what it suggests is that regardless of what you've got for your first round of vaccination, getting an mrna vaccine, so the moderna, mrna, is the way to go. we have stock in j&j, but it is clear individuals who got a moderna or pfizer booster after j&j got a much higher bump in their antibodies than those who got a booster with the j&j, following a j&j. so, you know, right now, it is really confusing. because you have improvements for only boosters for people who have had the pfizer vaccine or those who are immunocompromised. hopefully they'll come forward with something that makes it much easier for people to go and roll up their sleeve, regardless of what they got, and get their boosters. >> by the way, kudos to you, dr. besser, for explaining some potential conflicts or appeared appearances that you think some might say is a conflict there. kudos to you for doing that. i'm curious, you're a doctor. i'm coming to you. i'm going to get a booster. which one should i get? at the end of the day, do you think people should stick with what they've had? or does it really depend on whether they're immunocompromised or not? are there other factors you would consider before making your recommendation? >> yeah. well, it's important, i think, to not include in the conversations around boosters people who have immune disorders, who are immunocompromised. what it appears there is two doses are not enough to give you an initial high boost. for people who don't have immune disorders, you get a very high level of protection with your first round, whether it's the one dose or the two doses. when it comes to boosters, right now the recommendations aren't for everyone to get a booster. there is a recommendation that people who are 65 and older, people who have serious medical conditions that put them at greater risk, people who work in professions that put them at risk of increased exposure, that they go ahead and get boosters. but i expect we will get to the point where boosters are recommended for just about everybody at some point. since the data are showing that, over time, there is some drop-off in levels of protection. thankfully, most of that is in terms of mild infection. but over time, especially for those who are elderly, getting that booster shot is a good idea. but it shouldn't come at the expense, chuck, of increasing vaccine supply globally. because that will have a much greater impact in terms of saving lives. that will have a much greater impact in terms of getting the pandemic under control and reducing the emergence of new variants. >> look, general colin powell we lost tragically yesterday, and it was to a battle with covid. he was fully vaccinated. but he was also immunocompromised. he was battling cancer. he was battling parkinson's. and i wonder, do we need to have a better -- i mean, we've said immunocompromised people got to get the third shot. do you think there needs to be more than that? 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how close are we? >> reporter: well, the white house wants that to be very soon. they have indicated that the time for talk is winding down. it's time to actually get a deal. we have not seen the two groups in the room together, as you mentioned, at least not at the white house. press secretary jen psaki was asked about that a moment ago. she said there are conversations going on between moderates and progressives on the hill, outside the white house. you showed the image of manchin and sanders together. we know manchin and representative jayapal met together. there iscross-pollination. the white house isn't setting expectations about when we could get a deal. the goal today was not to reach a deal or settle on a number or bottom line, but just to make some progress. they're hopeful and optimistic that they are making progress. they are not committed to getting this done before the president leaves for his european trip. other than saying they want this soon, that's the best indication we've had. i would note, the president is going to be on the road tomorrow trying to sell this in his hometown of scranton. it is a question mark still, what he is exactly selling. because we have no idea right now what is on the table, what is off the table. the white house isn't giving any indication for that. that puts him in a difficult position and one i know white house officials don't want to be in very long. >> in connecticut last friday, shannon, he talked about free community college but prefaced it by saying, "i'm not sure it'll be in the bill." that was the definition of this awkwardness. >> reporter: yeah. prescription drugs have been one of the big things the white house is selling. now, you know, the indication is that that might -- the medicare negotiation might be kicked out. it is a hard sales pitch at the moment, it appears. >> hard to explain what's in the bill when they can't tell you yet what's in the bill. shannon pettypiece outside the white house, thank you. we're going to stick with the executive branch side of things. treasury secretary janet yellen will be a key part of the white house meetings with progressives at the top of the hour. she just wrapped up a sit-down with my colleague stephanie ruhle. we got the first look at their conversation up next. you're watch "meet the press daily." so, should all our it move to the cloud? 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>> there are many things that are very important. climate change is very high on my list. it's high on president biden's list. there are policies to address climate change in the infrastructure package and in reconciliation, and certainly a range of policies that will address the needs of families and children, to make sure that children have the investments and the opportunities that they need to thrive. this is a lot in this package. want to see an agreement reached that will take advantage of an opportunity we have to have healthier economic growth and healthier family life. >> anything you think we could wait on? >> you know, not going to negotiate about that here. this is for members of congress to sort through and see where they can get -- i feel very hopeful we'll get a good reconciliation package. >> this week? >> i don't know what the timetable is going to be. >> stephanie ruhle joins me now. you know, it is interesting, stephanie, to hear her say climate change. she's also apparently among the leading advocates for a carbon tax. a carbon tax was off the table, we thought, but it appears to be back on the table as they, a, look for different ways to pay for things, like kyrsten sinema to sign off on, and they need different climate ideas now that manchin shut it down. is that where we're headed? >> secretary yellen is at the white house right now. i was surprised that she put climate front and center. i was expecting she'd be pushing for making the expanded child tax credit permanent and devoted to child care. i was surprised by climate being first, but she's still saying everything should be in this thing. if the answer is everything is going to be in this, is it going to be really short term? if that's the case, we could end up losing most of it if, in the next election, republicans win. look at the expanded child tax credit. it was in the american rescue plan. unless this reconciliation bill goes through and the child tax credit is in it, it'll be gone by the end of the year. i thought that was interesting. the other thing i found interesting, we talked a lot about the labor shortage, the labor shift. she thinks it is a good thing that workers are now getting paid more. i said, what are you going to do about the fact that the amazons of the world can pay people a whole lot more and offer bonuses? she said, small businesses are just going to have to find a way to compete. i don't know how that's going to happen. >> stephanie, i know you probably did this because i'd be tempted to do it too. she's a former fed chair. i'm guessing she's going to be hesitant to give her advice. but if she were at the fed right now dealing with this -- look, we can all agree we have an inflation issue. we disagree about whether it is long term or short term, but the fed has the tools here. what would she want the fed to do? >> she argues it'll work out the next few months, that it is short term. what we went through, the major shock to the system because of the pandemic, of course we're going to have the inflationary environment that we're in right now. she thinks it is going to solve itself in the coming year. here's the thing i ask you, chuck, yes, prices are a lot higher and we don't like it. here is the dirty secret, we're paying it. consumer demand and spending is up. if you, chuck todd, ran a business, would you be incentivized to lower your prices? why would you? >> no. more importantly, you're looking for extra revenue to hire more people. >> that's the issue. >> you may raise prices even more. i mean, that, to me, is the danger here. i understand they claim it is temporary, but inflation is one of those sticky things. it can build on itself. >> absolutely. think about what this is like. i go back to small businesses. again, the president took action at the ports in california last week, and that's a good thing. remember, the biggest american businesses out there, they're going to work out their supply chain issues. i assure you. best buy and amazon, they can get their own cargo ships. they can figure this out. for tiny, small businesses, right? for a toy store in bethesda, maryland, right now, they're not getting the supplies they need for christmas. it's not just labor but it's also goods. i don't know how they solve it. she didn't have an answer. >> you name it, every recession or economic angst we've had, big gets bigger. your point on amazon, i think, is a very important one here. stephanie, can't wait to see the whole thing tomorrow morning. don't miss it. catch more of the interview at 9:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. meanwhile, we have some breaking news involving a name from the recent past, russian oligarch deripaska. he's been sanctioned by the united states for his financial ties to trump campaign manager paul manafort. they were scrutinized as manafort's trial and a big part of the mueller investigation. guess what? this morning, fbi agents swarmed deripaska's washington home to conduct what we're told is some kind of law enforcement activity, according to a spokesperson. spokesperson wouldn't provide the scope or target of the investigation, but two officials tell nbc news that these search warrants are the result of an investigation being led by federal investigators in new york city. okay. as we know, that in itself could also be something that is related to the larger, you know -- there's a lot going on in new york city with investigations involving giuliani and a lot of other people. with that, we'll be keeping our eyes out for more developments as we get them. we'll be right back. tv: mount everest, the tallest mountain on the face of the earth. keep dreaming. 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>> what you've captured is how do we compete with china? how do we push back if we have to, even militarily, but how do we protect selected areas of competition, say, on dealing with north korea or afghanistan which china borders on, or on climate change? that's the foreign policy challenge for the united states going forward. >> what is china up to right now? you know, xi is not leaving the country. they do seem to be wanting to send the message that they're a global superpower now. >> they're a global power. the world's second largest economy. by any measure, they are the world's second largest military in terms of spending. their model is out there for the world to see. their infrastructure is out there, they are now the largest emitter of greenhouse gases. i think the real question for them is how they use their growing power, and the challenge for that is to try and shape that. not to prevent china's rise, but to get them to act responsibly as we see it. >> how much of the sabre rattling is masking domestic problems? you have parts of the country can only get power a couple days of week. you have the issue of the housing giant with a real estate crisis that in our country could be worse. some look at sabre rattling and think this is about domestic policies, too. >> you may well be right. i don't know how to say wag the dog in mandarin, but you've got a slowing economy, you've got demographic problems, you've got environmental problems, you've got public health problems. the idea that xi jinping wants to abolish social problems will cause other problems. support will have to come from foreign policy rather than from economic growth. that's a dangerous possibility if it turns out to be real. >> well, look at how putin has operated that way now for over a decade and that has not improved u.s.-russia relations. let's just say that. richard haas, i wish we had more time, but it's great to get your expertise. thank you for visiting. >> thanks, my friend. thank you all for being with us this hour. we appreciate it. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." this newscast will continue this very moment with my friend jeff bennett. >> it is great to be with you. i am jeff bennett. you're looking live at the white house where behind closed doors, president biden is holding court with progressive house democrats. it's part of a whirlwind push to break the stalemate and put his build back better plan finally on the path to becoming law. first was kyrsten sinema. you see her entering her private office. the other democratic senator is requiring major cuts, senator joe manchin. manchin has put the kibosh on the president's initiatives to combat climate change. democrats floated an alternative over the weekend. but faster than you can say