lawrence >> i'd like you to take a look at something that happened exactly 11 years ago tonight at this very minute, the very first words that were ever spoken on the last word, let's take a look at this. now here's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell, tonight lawrence interviews joe biden. lawrence, hi. >> ready to go on the first. so >> we are all pulling for you, and very excited. >> i can have a better lead. and >> it's very kind of view, sort of. >> thanks. rachel >> could you tell how nervous i was? >> you actually looked fine he looked totally in control, i look like i had no idea how to do this kind of thing. also, what was that shirt? it's like i borrowed it from someone who is never me? you look, you look yourself. you're totally in control. i was a mess. >> the network was actually re-running a show at 10 pm. so you never had somebody to hand off to, suddenly there was a live show at 10 pm and you had a little drop to do at the end -- rachel, because you say good evening to me in the show every night, you have kept the show here for 11 years because we wouldn't be here without the strongest, greatest lead and we could possibly have. >> that is very kind of you to, say it's also crazy. top you have been here for 11 years because you are freaking fantastic. and, listen, getting to three years on cable news means that you are senior citizen, getting to 11 years on cable, news it means you are in institution and an icon. you and the last word deserve it, you, and the 11 after. this i want you to stay exactly where. you are >> as the video shows, there's this one thing, but you have forgotten to do. the aging process. that the rest of us have been subject. to the dorian gray here -- great thing going on here is incredible. >> it's nice of you to say that. but isn't that an era where held -- herridge haired sold was an? but it was like a budget died on my head. you are just your beautiful self, this cut glass profile like you always have been. the passage of time, it's a troubling thing. >> i think the audiences had just nuts of us and is back and forth. thank you. rachel >> congratulations. lawrence >> thank. you well, today's the day, september 27th, that house speaker nancy pelosi promised would be the day that the house votes would be past -- the vote did not happen. today and, today speaker pelosi explain why. >> i'm never bringing a bill to the floor that doesn't have the votes. >> doesn't have the votes, yet. speaker pelosi has negotiated a delay in that vote with the ten or so met moderate democrats in the house who are demanding that vote. the vote will probably take place on. thursday in the, meantime -- the 3.5 trillion-dollar budget reconciliation bill, today two of the house moderates who are pushing for the vote on the bipartisan senate bill have said they will now support the 3.5 trillion dollar bill. speaker pelosi has a few more days to get the support of the rest of the green. this is what the speaker said today after a meeting of all house democrats to discuss the next step in passing both bills. >> either members are so idealistic, strategic and we interested in getting results. it was beautiful. meeting and proud of. them >> the house and senate are very different worlds. speaker pelosi says she will never bring up a bill to the floor if she doesn't have the votes to pass it. today, chuck schumer brought a bill to the floor knowing he didn't have the votes, knowing he didn't have the 60 votes necessary to clear the procedural threshold that would then allow a vote on the actual bill itself. chuck schumer knew that he would need and not get ten republicans to cast what used to be a routine vote in the senate can simply continue government funding levels for a couple of months and raise the debt ceiling to cover the increase in the debt already incurred by the government, in this case, and kurd by the tax cuts of donald trump and the covid relief package is signed by trump and joe biden, knowing that all republicans would vote against the bill and kill it. chuck schumer brought it to a vote so that he could make a speech telling the country just how irresponsible senate republicans are. >> but the republicans in the senate did tonight was not normal, this is not your typical washington practice, it should be treated as such, it has more severe consequences than the typical political catfight. republicans know the consequences of their obstruction. they know the default will likely create a recession. they know that middle class families will suffer immensely. they have heard the same warnings that we have. the republicans that fault will raise the deficit at more than the american rescue plan and yet republicans still obstructed it tonight. >> chuck schumer is surely hoping that joe manchin is watching how unreasonable and reckless the republicans are as senator manchin continues to resist changes in the senate rules to change the 60 vote threshold, the rule that empowers republican irresponsibility, and empowers republican attacks on voting rights in this country. senator manchin is one of the few moderate democrats in the senate who has been negotiating for unspecified reductions in the size of the 3.5 trillion dollar reconciliation bill. today, senator manchin said this -- >> nothing is going to pass -- i believe it's will pass. i believe it's gonna. pass i think basically, we can get something out of, it we have to work together. >> leading off our discussion tonight's democratic congresswoman susie lee of nevada. thank you very much for joining us. you are in the meeting with the speaker today, where do you think this state of play, as where they are be of out on the bipartisan bill by say thursday, and how soon after that, or around that time, will the reconciliation bill go? >> listen, thank you, for, us thank you for having me on. and today, during the caucus meeting, i think there was a lot of recognition that we can't. fail and that we need to come together, again, this was a compromise, we were planning on voting this bipartisan bill, at least that was what was requested of the speaker. to vote on it. today so there was obviously a -- obviously a compromise to move into thursday i believe we will vote on it on thursday. we will pass it and then have a general framework of what's the build back better act will be and pass it in the next few weeks after. that >> so it sounds like there is compromise now from both sides of this discussion within the house, which is the smaller group that was really hoping for the monday -- demanding the monday for today. they did not. get it they will get a vote on thursday. the much larger progressive group in the house that once the reconciliation vote to go first before this bipartisan vote, from the bipartisan bill in the senate, they are going to go along, it sounds like you are, saying they're gonna go along with a thursday vote, they will go along with voting for that bill before they have a chance to vote on reconciliation. >> listen, thursday is the scheduled vote, i think we will come together and have a general agreement of what will be in the build back better act and be able to get the progressives who are threatened to not vote for the bipartisan bill, get them to agree -- listened, we have to come together and work within our own caucus. these are both large, large bills. we know what is at stake and we need to work together and get a compromise, and get something done for the american people. >> let's listen to what president biden said today about this today -- >> i'm an optimist. i think things are going to go. well i think we're gonna get it done. we tonight, tomorrow, and for the next little bit. >> what it sounds like wet is going to happen in tuesday, wednesday, is a very intense work on getting an agreement on what's the 3.5 trillion dollar bill is gonna look like, what's gonna be inside that real number, and once that is understood, and agreed to, by all of the democrats in the house, at least agree, to not voted, on battery to, then you will vote for the bipartisan bill that has already been written. >> that's the plan. that's what i think will transpire here in the next few. days, again i think we have all come to recognition that, number, one we need to pass this bipartisan bill. as you, know i am a member of the problem solvers caucus, it was instrumental in helping crap the framework of on which it was based. so it's important to get that based, everyone across the country needs to have investment in infrastructure in their state. but then there's also recognition that we need this investment in the families. again, it's a big bill, four and a half trillion dollars, there's a lot of work to be done. to make sure that what's included in this bill meets the rules of reconciliation. so we have a lot of work to do in the next few days. but i think we will have a general understanding of what that will look like, to get enough progressives onboard to support the bipartisan bill on thursday. >> do you expect that to be a 3.5 trillion dollar bill at the end of this negotiation? >> and now, i -- i haven't been in discussions on the inner workings of exactly what is going into the bill in terms of that cast, but there is understanding, given sinema and manchin that it is going to be less than three and a half trillion. i think it's up to us to decide what it is we want to accomplish and work on getting those key pieces into the bill. then coming to a compromise on how we're gonna pay for. it >> congresswoman susie lee, thank you so much for starting off our discussion tonight. >> thank you lawrence, good to see. you >> appreciated. joining us now david plouffe, he is an msnbc political opinion just a -- host of the sunday show with aj kept part right here on msnbc. david plouffe, you have been through this sort of thing, and the white house. now, let's put you in the white house tonight. where do you see as the state of play? t. >> you have been through. to these things always look like all hope is lost until it's. not you have faith and nancy pelosi, this is so essential for joe biden's agenda, i think the democrats chances in 2022, and most importantly, democrats control senate majority in that white house. you have to exercise that influence as much as you can. so this is gonna get done. it's gonna get done soon. a, because, the more it drags out, the more this thing looks uglier than it should, and be, you want to get out there to start touting what's in the bill. i think that it's mostly about how much it costs, where's mansion, where cinema, and what is being lost is the actual benefits to the american people. so the sooner this gets, done the soon you can spend the next 14 months getting who -- >> jonathan kaye part, as we get closer and closer to the reality of legislating, i'm hearing more, and -- the rhetoric is just softer on all sides. it softens, that is the way it sounds as people are moving forward toward an agreement. congresswoman lead just sounded like this agreement is really beginning to gel in the house. >> yes. i've been calling it, what we've been seeing for the last week or, so the storm before the calm. it's always crazy, the red, lines and. everything and i'm listening to the red lines being drawn, but the tone is much softer now and then it was, say, in the spring and early summer when the progressives and the moderates were at each other's throats. but now i also find interesting, when it comes to talking about the 3.5 trillion dollar reconciliation bill, we don't know what's in it! we don't know what's going to go in. and that is why i love the question that you asked the congresswoman lee about the price tag. because i think the conversation now is going to be less on the price tag, and more on, what exactly is in the bill that is of benefit to the american people, but david was just talking about. and if you can get a child income tax credit permanent, get a bunch of stuff in there about climate, get a bunch of other stuff in there about, say, human -- i'm sorry, home health care, and things like. that things that would have immediate impact for the american people. and it comes in at a price tag of, oh, two trillion dollars. you think that folks aren't gonna vote for it if they can go back to their districts and say, look, this is what we've done for you? so the next few days are gonna be very fascinating to watch to see if the rhetoric goes from soft calm and soft to, well we were always gonna get here all along! >> you know i always take notes when jonathan capehart speaks, especially sunday morning on his show, but right here, i have written the storm before the calm which, i think, jonathan, i'm going to steal for the title of my memoirs. it's too perfect. >> excellent. >> david, let's listen to what joe manchin's former aide said, he has been on this program. he says, don't assume he's gonna vote anyway until he actually cast his vote. jonathan kott said in an interview, i went with him to almost every vote and there were times when he made up his decision when he walked onto the floor. that is true of every senator, a certain amount of the time. but it might be true of joe manchin more than others. if that's true, in this situation,, david that makes this a highly suspenseful situation. >> yeah, but i think that might be true for a lot of -- you've been there are lawrence when this. happen i think one of the reasons why you're starting to see more confidence, people laying down their swords a little bit is because, i think there is a sense that we are heading to an agreement here both -- in both packages. so at the end of the, day there's gonna be no suspense. chuck schumer's gonna have his. votes nancy pelosi will ever votes. she is skilled as anyone we have ever seen a sin in that country in the country says. so there's a lot of choreography going, on a lot of discussions. but i'm gonna go with, jonathan and the price tag, whether it's three point, five or, three what's important is what's in. it i hope this isn't, true but this could be a once in a decade opportunity. once the next time the democratic parties gonna have the ability to get this many people with the power they have? but have to get in people's homes, talking about the child, credit you have to be meeting with health care, workers have to be talking about people who can't work more hours because of childcare assistance, we want to talk about broadband and climate. let's not think -- forget the thing that is most popular, how you're paying for it! which is asking the wealthiest in this country, and companies, to pay their fair share. so the politics of this should take care of themselves. if you really spend the next 14 months really, really pounding the sun, and then making the republicans pay a price for being opposed to this rather than gleefully try to ruin our democracy and ruined the whole economy. >> and, jonathan, whatever they vote for, here anything that has been discussed, is the biggest ever. even if you are to compromise it, down to shave a trillion off, it it is still the biggest vote ever cast in this kind of arena? >> still the biggest. vote arena? votes being cast for things that this nation needs. we're not talking about bridges to nowhere. we're we're not talking about no-show projects. we're talking about putting in programs that make it possible for the american people to go to work or get where or take care of their children or save the planet. so, you know, i was talking to a member of congress earlier today where the point being made was why, don't we do a few things really well. as opposed to showering money on a whole host of projects that, great, folks get to go to and get this pass, but you gotta go back and fix it because it wasn't done well, and i think if we can look and see in the reconciliation package a few big things being done really well then it will be a home run, no matter what the price tag. is thank you for joining us tonight, i really appreciate it. >> coming, up and tonight's episode of defendant trump, the suspected criminal returning to the scene of the crime in georgia where he attacked the star witness against him. that is next. s next this may look like a regular movie night. but if you're a kid with diabetes, it's more. it's the simple act of enjoying time with friends, knowing you understand your glucose levels. ♪♪ you need an ecolab scientific clean here. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean now helps the places you go too. look for the ecolab science certified seal. when we found out our son had autism, his future became my focus. lavender baths calmed him. so we made a plan to turn bath time into a business. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor at nm.com this is... ♪♪ this is iowa. we just haven't been properly introduced. say hello to the place where rolling hills meets low bills. where our fields, inside and out, are always growing. and where the fun is just getting started. this is iowa. so, when are you coming to see us? 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these charges potentially include criminal solicitation to commit election fraud, intentional interference with performance of election duties, conspiracy to commit election fraud, criminal solipsist a shan, and state rico violation. >> here's what donald trump said in georgia on saturday about georgia's secretary of state brad's recorded phone call that could be the smoking gun evidence that makes donald trump a convicted felon in georgia. >> something wrong with this guy, you are secretary of state. raffensperger. i'm telling you i think there's something wrong with him and we give him so much, can you look at this, can you look at that. election integrity and sometimes you're just gonna look like tina raffensperger's something very strange with him, joining us now is joshua coauthor of the booking institution on georgia's case against donald trump, he also was consul to the house judiciary committee in both impeachment trials of donald trump. thank you very much for joining us tonight i really appreciated. what we just saw tonight in that video seems to be part of this tremendous surge to maybe his belief. that maybe if he does it in public it can't be a crime, he seems to be kind of doing an impression of his phone calls with the secretary of state. asking him to do things. and if he's talking about it in public it can possibly be a crime, that seems to be the way he approached his previous high crimes in office. >> well that's absolutely right, and thank you for having me. when the impeachment proceedings one forward, obviously earlier this year that too was based on president trump acts and public, they're the incitement insurrection. but whether or not he thinks that carrying out some kind of realtime life stage parity is going to immunize him from criminal liability, the reality as we concluded in our report, is that president trump repeated interference with the election administration in georgia, his effort to solicit and threaten senior state officials to certify the election for him falsely, and to find exactly enough votes to rig the election for him, that was a crime. and whatever he wants to say on stage, whatever much you might want to make fun of secretary raffensperger. i'm confident that the facts will come out, and that the fulton county district eternity whose investigating will lead wherever the facts and the law require. >> you identify a possible felony in the list of offenses, and that is, and this is a georgia statue that makes the felony if you will fully temper with any electors list, voter certificate, numbered list of voters, ballot box, voting machine, direct recording electronic equipment, electronic about lip marker, or tabulating machine. anyone who doesn't shall be guilty of a felony, and served with possible sentence of not less than one year, not more than ten years, i find not to exceed $100,000 or both. audio prince sentence and fined. how do you apply that statute to the evidence as we know? >> that's a fantastic question, this is a case where it wasn't as president trump was going to get on a plane, flight to georgia and start messing around with the ballots, although god only knows what he would've done if that could've been a possibility. this was a case where he was calling senior state officials. most noticeably secretary of state raffensperger, and chief investigator in his office watson. and urging them from very state election, and in raffensperger case to find 1180 ballots. the exact number to alter the election outcome. looking at effect pattern like that, there's a strong case that president trump committed the georgia crime, of solicitation of election fraud. that what he was doing hair was soliciting secretary raffensperger with the intent that raffensperger performed a certain act. and that act was itself a crime that you just described, a crime of tampering with ballots. tampering with the vote tabulation in the state. so i think looking at that you probably see a charge as a solicitation offense, maybe a conspiracy offense, and maybe it can help support a charge of intentional interference with the carrying out of public duties by a public officer, again in this case secretary raffensperger. so there's numerous avenues from where president trump's conduct could give rise to criminal liability here. >> as soon as this phone call became public and raffensperger side, released to the media. we brought georgia lord years on to the show to outline all of the statues that they knew about. that we don't know about. within georgia law. and they were rattling off these things that don't exist, some of these statutes are different from state to say. and obviously as you know, we kept hearing about them, and kept looking at them, we kept saying while these laws in georgia are very solid protective lines around the voting process. >> well that's exactly right, and there's a reason why it's so important that there are state level laws like this. obviously in our federal system of government, the federal law is what it is. there are powerful bases, compelling bases, for the justice department to investigate a significant amount of what happened surrounding the 2020 presidential election, and obviously there's a select committee in the house that's doing that to. but under our constitutional system, states actually have the primary role. in carrying out presidential elections. the federal government hardly has much of a role at all. and it's really congress, not the president that has a role. mainly certifying the electoral ballots. that occurred this past election on january six. and that sort of an obvious point. you wouldn't want the president who might be a candidate, or who might have very strong feelings on who replaces him or her, to have a big role on the presidential election. so states are the key player here. and states like georgia have put in place powerful laws to protect the integrity of their electoral process. and those oils i think apply would full force here. a circumstance where you have a candidate calling up and threatening senior state officials if they do not falsely altered the final count of votes to altered the outcome of the election in the state. frankly if that weren't a crime, you would think that we need to go rewrite the criminal laws to make sure that it is. and in this case we don't need to do that, just laws are solid. i think the public record publicly supports criminal charges. and that's why think it'll crucially important that the district attorney in fulton county is investigating this. her office in georgia is the only investigating office that didn't have a witness to the crimes here. >> joshua matz, like you so much for joining us here we appreciate. it >> thank. you >> coming up secretary of state we jena griswold, will discuss the attack with us. the colorado is under violation for the integrity voting system -- that is up next. people everywhere living with type 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>> good evening, we discovered this activity when it was posted online. not only did the clerk lie to my office saying that someone was an employee of her office, but she helped facilitate the copying of images of the hard drive. but also sensitive passwords that are specific to her county election equipment. so when those password were uploaded on to the internet by qanon leader. we discovered the breach and immediately acted investigated the voting equipment. >> when you discovered this, how long did it take to track responsibility for it? >> a matter of days. i became aware of the situation on a thursday evening, by monday i issued one of the first of the three election order, ordering the clerk to allow my simple service to inspect the voting equipment. and we quickly realized through working with the mesa county, that there was indeed a breach of security, and that we could not verify the security of the voting equipment. so lawrence, i ended up having to decertify the voting equipment in mason county, the county replaced the voting equipment. and i also placed a supervisor on top of the election. the former republican county clerk who served prior to the current county clerk. we >> and what are you hoping will be the outcome at the end of the story? where would be the end of the story if pursued through to the end? >> i think we need to take some bold actions to protect democracy. i hope that we win the litigation that we are currently into completely remove the clip from all election activity. and put in place a former county clerk, and actually my predecessor republican clerk to oversee the election, this election. but it's more than just one county. we are seeing an unprecedented attack on democracy. from elected officials who are willingly, knowingly, lying to the american public about 2020. to the 500 pieces of voter suppression, legislation, that are all across the state in 47 states being considered passing in many states, to threats against the lives of election official. we need to take drastic actions to disincentivize these bad actors from destroying democracy for their own personal game. >> the washington post is reporting that the pillow guide, mike lindell is saying that he has paid for peters lodging, security and lawyers. he hopes that other election officials will come forward to join the fight. we want to get more teen us. he said recently on his show, we need more tina's out there. martinez seems to be exactly what you fear. >> that's right. and before getting in that, lawrence, we cannot allow the my pillow guy to destroy democracy. i know it sounds funny, but he is a leader and this information trying to tip away, not only at 2020, but all confidence. so every election can be contested. and one of the other big things the nation has to brace itself for is more extreme election officials, county clerks, secretary of state's who are there to not serve voters, to not protect democracy. but to gain power. help their own party and lie. so we have a major situation in fact, in every swing state where there is a secretary of state race in 2022, there is some one who is lying about to 2020, running to be the chief election official. the person who oversees a state election, needs to respect the will of the voters, establish great election, and certify those elections whether they like the outcome or not. and that very ideal has worked for many decades, so long in our country is under threat. colorado secretary of state jena griswold, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you so much. >> coming up, today in the white house joe biden got his covid-19 booster shot. and pfizer is preparing to submit its data on vaccines for elementary school age kids very soon. that's next. that's next. knows everyone's unique. that's why they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. oh, yeah. that's the spot. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ (jackie) i've made progress with my mental health. so when i started having unintentional body movements called tardive dyskinesia... i ignored them. but when the twitching and jerking in my face and hands affected my day to day... i finally had to say, 'it's not ok.' it was time to talk to my doctor about austedo. she said that austedo helps reduce td movements in adults... while i continue with most of my mental health medications. 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>> we are healthy, we are doing more than every nation in the world combined. we are going to have well over a billion 100 million shots, in order to continue going. we are going to do our part. we also gave them a great deal of which -- is a vehicle that does this. so we have plenty of opportunities to make sure that we get everyone in the world, the largest part in the world, vaccinated. >> joining us now is doctor vedda patel. and former white house policy director in the obama admission. kavita patel thank you so much for joining us tonight. and i imagine with someone who worked in the administration watching that moment today of the president getting the booster, and the message that sense to people, especially people his age, 78 years old to get the booster is a very strong message. >> yes lawrence, literally in minutes he probably did more to get americans to act and talk to the doctor, and hopefully get people get vaccinated for the first time, than many of us have tried to do over the last 19 months. it's incredibly effective, and he used it the way he should. raised his sleeve, and kind of modeled good behavior. so i was really happy to see him come up publicly, really excited when we could have the regency j&j recipient do the same thing. hopefully we could see that soon. >> what do we know about side effects about the third shot? >> great question. side effects of the third shot closely mimic side effects of the first and second shot. you heard the president even say, i really didn't have any side effects with my first and second shots, and i'm hoping i don't for my third shot. but if you did experience that kind of localized pain, soreness, aches, and kind of flu like symptoms for a couple of days. then that might occur with the third shot of wealth. we did not see, i want to stress something, we did not see an excess of some of those cases of minor night'tis, or inflammation of the hard, or anything around clocks, or anything around death or anaphylaxis allergic reactions, above what we would've affected with the first and second doses. so safe and effective from its profile. >> i want to show a moment of mitch monoclonal on the senate floor today. >> i'm glad to share that in a few minutes ago i received a booster vaccination, for covid-19. mountains of them didn't tell us the shots are safe, effective, and dramatically strengthen the odd of severe disease or death from covid, all americans should speak with their doctors and give vaccinated >> doctor patel, there's a 79 year old, he's just gotten his shot, and that means presumably he is set for about 15 minutes after the shot to make sure that there was no immediate reaction to it. and this is not a test of what the side effects are for him, or what they might be over the next few 24 hours. but there he is able to go out and about his business after that third shot. >> and lawrence that is generally what we would expect. but i will say this, i don't think it's a bad idea to schedule, i tell my patient this, schedule that booster shot when you know you might be able to take it easy, or not have to do anything strenuous for the next 36 hours. because all of the reactions we would expect typically, we would see kind of within that 36, to 48 hour period after the third shot. and the second shot as well. and hopefully people shut shop. >> do you have a sense of what the timetable is for approval for younger elementary school aged children? yes we are waiting on pfizer to actually file the beginning of the emergency use also right station for ages 5 to 11 literally any day now. i'm sure that will also make news that once that's filed the agency will echo this, they are ready to get the data packet, they are ready to do things as quickly as possible. but oversee the safety. but typically when the agency has done things, in sort of a priority manner, three or four weeks of a turnaround, an fda emergency offer is follow from some of those advisory committees that we witnessed last, week around the boosters on. so we could be looking at first shot may be as early as halloween. but i have high optimism certainly before thanksgiving if all of the safety and efficacy show up to be what the pfizer press release states. >> doctor kavita patel, thank you so much for joining us again today. >> thank you. >> and coming up a look back at the first words spoken here on the last word, 11 years ago by our first guest, and tonight's episode of the more things change, the more they stay the same. ay the same paul loves food. but his diabetes made food a mystery. everything felt like a “no.” but then paul went from no to know. with freestyle libre 14 day, now he knows how food affects his glucose. and he knows when to make different choices. take the mystery out of your glucose levels - and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free. visit freestylelibre.us ♪♪ try it for free. visit freestylelibre.us you need an ecolab scientific clean here. and you need it here. and here. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean is now helping the places you go every day too. seek a commitment to clean. look for the ecolab science certified seal. ♪ ♪ mom! mom! every day can be extraordinary with rich, creamy, delicious fage total yogurt. working at recology is more than a job for jesus. it's a family tradition. every day can be extraordinary with rich, jesus took over his dad's roue when he retired after 47 year. now he's showing a new generation what recology is all about. as an employee-owned company, recology provides good-paying local jobs for san franciscans. we're proud to have built the city's recycling system from the ground up, helping to make san francisco the greenest big city in america. at this hour exactly 11 years let's keep making a differene together. ago, when the show premiered, our first guest was the vice president of the united states joe biden. >> and our republican friends i find them kind of fascinating, they keep lecturing us about the debt they created, and now they're talking about wanting to extend a tax cut that cost 700 billion dollars for the very wealthiest among us without paying for it. >> nothing has changed about republicans irresponsibility, concerning the dead, republicans are currently refusing to raise the debt limit to cover even the portion of the debt that republicans created on their own. never mind the portion of the debt that was created by republicans and democratic. 's 11-year cycle joe biden was complaining about republicans forcing a 60 vote threshold on every vote in the senate. >> the president has done a remarkable job given the fact that we unite a mutual friend. when pat more than ham was running a show, and i was his colleague, a majority of the senate used to need 31 votes, since we've gotten elected barack obama and joe biden, there's a new majority in the senate, 60 votes. >> an 11 years ago vice president biden knew that the republican were no longer the republicans with whom he would sometimes able to reach a compromise agreement when he was senator biden. i asked president biden about a statement he made that republicans now are not your grandfather's republican party. >> the fact that the matter is, what i really said was this is not even your father's republican party. these folks don't want to talk these the folks don't want to come up with practical solutions, i know what they're against. when i don't know is what they're four >> in 1855 john but this little line in french that has been a mortal in many languages that has explained what you just heard joe biden say. that line is the more things change the more they stay the same. thank you very much for supporting this hour of television for the last 11 years, and i want to think the last word staff led first by easy polevich, then by greg, and now by melissa reyerson. and i want to thank phil griffin for deciding that this show was something this network should do. i want to thank richard jones for deciding that this is something the network should keep going. thank you all for supporting this hour. we really appreciated. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. >> and good evening once again day 251 up the biden administration, indeed this back to work monday heralds the start of a critical week for joe biden. and a presidency let's not forget not yet a year old. tonight senate republican led by mitch mcconnell, blocked a bill that would keep government from shutting down in three days. and allow it to keep bothering to avoid default. raising the debt ceiling, used to be automatic in this country, now it's a mega related matter. senate republicans all of them to be exact fear donald trump way more than throwing the country into default. meanwhile house democrats are locked in the stalemate over th

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