abbott are digging deeper. you can trace it all back to donald trump's lies and the insurrection they helped inspire. now the committee investigating that attack wants to know what the former president's top aides knew and when they know it. joe. gosh! >> wait, just delightful, is it? four employees of fox news who had to quit after calling arizona for joe biden. i mean how could he do that. to lie and say the elections stolen and coming up with all the bamboo stuff. at the end of the day, joe biden gets more votes. the cyber ninjas end up saying oh, wait a second, biden not only won but he gets more votes. this would be like somebody hiring a group of gnarly bank robbers to go in and do a heist of the bank. the bank officials walk in and the bank robbers are counting the money. we have done an audit. you are actually $10,000 short. we given you $10,000. it's the exact opposite of the scam that trump supporters are trying to set up. it really is -- seriously, can't make it up. >> you are right, it's unbelievable. this is a group the cyber ninjas florida base whatsoever revealing the elections. they have top conspiracy of what happened during the elections. we'll send them into arizona, they'll overturn the election for us. more votes for joe biden and fewer votes for donald trump. we'll dig into that in a few minutes. let's start with the house select committee investigating the january 6th insurrection issuing subpoenas yesterday to mark meadows and dan scavino and steve bannon and kash patel. the committee says the information about trump's actions leading up to during the riot and attack and demanding those four men to turnover documents by october 7th. meadows and scavino were in contact with the organizers of the riot. scavino met with trump on january 6th to persuade members of congress against certifying joe biden's victory. bannon told his broadcast all hell is going to break tomorrow. patel took part in discussions with senior pentagon officials regarding capitol security. bannon and scavino did not request in comments. in a statement former president trump says the requests were part of a partisan exercise and suggested he would have exert executive privilege in an attempt to block them. >> some of it is coming on woodward and costa's book. the attack at a hotel in washington talking about all hell breaking loose and how they're going to kill the biden presidency as he allegedly put it. >> some of these people have to try to prove how they could have known about this. as we are finding here all coming together with a lot of people leading up to that insurrection. this all could set up a legal show down between trump and the biden white house which is releasing more information to congress about what the former president and his aides were doing on january 6th. the house select committee says it had already received thousands of documents from all seven agencies, the national archives have sent documents to trump for review, a process for required by law before the information can be turned over to congress. joe, there are so many people involved with what led up to january 6th, i just wonder where accountability or what accountability looks like at some point. >> they all voted against a bipartisan and bicameral and sweeping investigation to get to the truth because they understand it some leaders were involved on january 6th. some of them had phone calls with donald trump that they bragged about to other members that they now don't want the american people to know the truth about. there are a lot of americans who would not know who around the president was guilty of committing treason that day. there are a lot of people who want to know who among the president's men and/or women were planning those riots to overturn an election. to overturn an election in america, we have the right to know. when the president is saying this is a partisan exercise, that's a 2018, it's kind of coup when donald trump says that. it's also a coup when he says there is executive privilege when you are dealing with sedition. donald, i have bad news for you, you are not going to find federal judges that are going to say you know what, we don't care he was sitting there and watching television and cheering on the rioters and refusing to stop the riot. his aides were talking about how all hell were going to break loose the next day. we are working and lawyers were working on theories which really have not talked about enough here on how to overturn a democratic election. and then how to stop the constitutional counting of the electoral votes on january 6th. there is no executive privilege for treason. there is no executive privilege for sedition or being apart in sedition or encouraging sedition, so we have to have the investigations and the documents. we have to know what the president knew and when he knew it and what bannon knew and when he knew it and what all the president's aides knew when they knew it. it's not that tough. we are going to look at phone records and talk to people who don't want to go to jail. we'll let the chips fall where they met. this is still is america. they fell. we still live in america. the law matters. your vote still counts. no one like donald trump has a right to actually throw away your vote when he does not win an election. that happens in other country. that does not happen here. now the investigations, the real investigation starts. let's bring in our national security analyst, michael schmidt and claire mckaskill and sam stein, michael schmidt, what can you tell us? >> what we are seeing here is obvious and important, that's the fact that donald trump is not president anymore makes it much more easy to investigate him. when he was scrutinized by mueller during the first impeachment and the second impeachment. he had the ability to stop documents and try to stop witnesses and he controls the justice department and because of that, it gives him enormous amount of power to make it difficult to get that information. and now that he's stripped of that power. what we see are these investigators moving in ways getting documents that looks like the biden white house is willing to turnover documents from the trump's white house. we may be able to see in that white house in ways we didn't before. my guess is that some where on january 6th in that white house were correspondes of documents of what was going on. at the end of the day, we know a lot about january 6th but we don't know a lot. we don't know a ton about is what trump was actually doing. there is been some reporting about his in action and how he was watching this. so how this process of document production and interviews that could be coming will get a. >> claire, these are boldfaces, meadows and bannon who have been persecuted here. what happens from here? they could challenge these subpoenas and they could say you don't have legal standing to subpoena me. what's the next step in this process and if they are called up and if their documents are taken and reviewed, what does it mean for mark meadows? >> a lot of this will depend on trump's pension for going to the court. i have a sneaky suspicion that donald trump will tell the national archives that no, you can't and i do not authorize you giving these documents out and you are going right into the courts. what he's banking on and what he's going to try to get them to agree on is the longer you take to ultimately allow these documents to be seen by the american public, more likely they are to lose interests. having subpoena things and having to go to court as a senator to get things from a company, we went all the way to the supreme court and literally it took years to get decisions to compel. one of our big weaknesses in our system right now is we do not have a prioritization in the court and their ability to get witnesses and documents. >> i am guessing it's going to take a while. . why don't we get our friends, talk about speaking of thuggery. he gave john pence's advice how to shred the constitution, thousand undermine 82 million people voted for joe biden and basically trash american democracy. >> what's really scary about that memo is that is man who was trusted to teach law students. i listen to the people on the right, oh, it's socialist teachers and it's all left-wing. this nut job was behind law school teaching students about the law and he has no respect for the law. i can't imagine how this guy can keep a law license. i think any court and i don't care how trumpian the court is and look at our founding documents and say, you don't belong in the law, buddy. this is not something you should be embraced in and nobody should respect this guy's opinion. i would like to find another professor who says john easman's memo is anything close to reality. >> the problem is he uses that memo as legal training at one of the most dangerous times in this country's recent history when there was a president actively working to overturn the results of a u.s. presidential election and that memo actually sought legal justification to overturn an election and throw out the results of the election and not count electoral votes on january 6th. it's breathtaking and i agree with claire. i can't imagine who would want their children to be taught by somebody that was actively working to try to undermine election results. >> no idea. the candidates certified as the winners did win. maricopa county tweeted last night. cyber ninjas leading in effort by republicans to audit the 2020 presidential election in arizona. in a statement maricopa county board of supervisor chairman jack sellers says this means the tabulation equipment counted the ballots as they were designed to do and results reflect the will of the voters. everything else is just noise. nbc affiliate says it obtains the copy and the review widens biden's victory. the findings are scheduled to be released later today in the state senate. willie. >> an unhappy president waking up to this news that the cyber ninjas, conspiracy group with no credibility finding more votes for joe biden and fewer for donald trump. >> it should be the final chapter when you have a group as official. >> what a waste of time and money. we know this is not the end of it. donald trump put out a statement calling for greg abbott to embrace the audit of the texas 2020 results that he won handedly. he tries to pursue a 50-state audit. he does not care so much about 2020. the idea that he would be reinstated in office was defensible. . what he cares about is having the levers in place and the powers at his hands to flip election results should he run again in 2024. some of these voting laws in the justification for these audits to create mechanisms for future runs to question legitimacy of election results. it's scary stuff. there is one common thread that ties everything together which is while these people were trying to overturn elections, form an insurrection, they were not the best and brightest behind this, right? no offense to dan scavino, he was out of his depth when he was trying to plan an insurrection. cyber news, what were they doing in arizona? it's crazy. what if they had more professionals trying to do this, you begin to wonder how much worse it could have been. >> the cyber ninjas are led by the guy who believed the cia threw the election for joe biden. >> can't rule it out. >> he could not overturn the results in maricopa county. president trump is supporting the audit election, he won by 621,000 votes but still wants a review of the votes there. he's flailing. he's taking aim at two senators who were among his most loyalists for not going along strong enough for his claims of election fraud. trump says mike lee and lindsey graham should be quote, "ashamed of themselves for not putting up the fight necessary to win." this came in response of woodward and costa who reported in their book "peril" that it was unconvinced. tie all of this together, we have the cyber ninjas and trump supporting the recount in texas that he won by 600,000 votes and he's going after lindsey graham who's been by his side and all the subpoenas coming from the house select committee, the former president is flailing again. >> this is what we have been warning the republican party about for four or five years that when you follow this guy. this republican party is dedicated to supporting with these crazy audits or candidates like the guy running for governor in nevada who used to be a u.s. senator who won't even say joe biden won the election. >> the truth that everybody knows. so just the absolute madness of it all, cyber ninjas in arizona bambooed and recounts in texas and states where donald trump won. every single person looking at this and the federal judiciary is saying there is nothing there. and, yet, there is still a something for donald trump. he could not. if you are the shrewdest operative ever born, you could not come up with a conspiracy that more audacious and more crushing than the plan that donald trump hatched when he went down that escalator back in june of 2015. he's destroying this party bit by bit and day by day and year by year, he lost in the white house and he lost the house of representatives. he lost in congress. and that's still is not enough. the conspiracy theory keeps going. people still keep bowing and scraping to really, let's face it, the biggest political loser in our lifetimes. i mean if you are around when hoover lost it is white house, the house and the senate. it's sad that these republicans are not strong enough to recognize american needs a conservative party. america needs an alternative. >> like liz cheney. >> america needs an alternative to policies that many believe are out of touch with middle america. they don't have that party with donald trump, michael schmidt, there were so many predictions the further we get away from the election, the further republicans would get from donald trump. you look at heller out and other candidates, greg abbott, he's a shadow of himself. nobody would have guessed that greg abbott would put on a dunst cap and play the idiot role that he's been playing. he's a mainstream republican and now he's just doing everything he can to make a fool of himself, dan desantis, a guy who is precovid and approval ratings in the 60s. he keeps doing his best to indicate donald trump. it's not serving them well. it's politically -- i can't imagine why they can't look at donald trump and see what happens to donald trump and see what happens to the senate and not see how this play ends for them. >> i am surprised too they have continued to go along as far as they have. what i am also surprised by is the fact that they don't appear to be anything standing from trump's way in terms of stopping any of this, right? so you have this adult on capitol hill that's investigating this. he does not have support from many republicans. it will be looked at and republicans will be able to characterize whatever he finds as partisan. the justice department is showing no indication or interests in looking at anything that happens at the trump's level in terms of january 6th or overturning the election. everything being done by this is at at capitol hill. even if they were to uncover nasty details end up in this report, they'll come out and we'll cover it but i can't imagine that republicans will give it any weight and all this time trump will have continued on doing things we were just talking about, trying to push people like lindsey graham back in line to supporting him, getting states to hold these recount or whatever that's going on in texas where they are looking at different counties and doing that across the country where you are so in the doubt at the local level and the local level system. by this wraps up, we'll be a year or two from now heading into the next election cycle where the president will have position himself and obviously 3.5 years is a long period of time. trump looks as well positioned today as i have seen. >> all right, michael schmidt, thank you so much for your reporting from the closet there. chuck schumer is plan to get senate republicans on record by setting up a vote on the short term government spending bill and debt limit extension, the house passed earlier this week. >> every single member of this chamber is going to go on record as to whether they support keeping the government open or overting a default will support shutting us down and careening our countdefault. if they vote no, they'll be solidifying themselves. joining us now is josh gottheimer. is the government going to be shutdown? >> we can't afford the government to shutdown so we have to get it done. this is one of those moments but it's going to happen. we'll get it done. >> what are the difference and on the different bill and legislation that democrats and republicans are working on, infrastructure, for example, what is going to end up left behind? is paid leave going to see the light of day? >> well, i certainly support it. what's going to happen at the end -- >> is it going to see the light of day. >> i believe so. first thing first on monday we are going to vote and begin consideration of infrastructures, roads and bridges and tunnels and climate resiliency and all things critical. 19 republicans in all 50 senate democrats, bernie from joe manchin and we'll vote on that next week and get it done and continue our work on reconciliation which will also pass. i am working on that and optimistic on that as well. the good news is we'll have a big win for the country earlier next week. >> okay, there are a lot of different moving parts. what are the gives that you can offer republicans that you can work in a bipartisan fashion. >> on the infrastructure bill that's coming out of the senate that's vote on. we got democrats, on the rec reconciliation package is still being worked on and close to getting something agreed upon and we move to consider that legislation. >> congressman, good morning, it's willie geist. there is no trillion dollars infrastructure package without the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. what do you make of that strategy and could that group of congresswomen and men holdup the entire process? >> i hope they would not holdup the president's agenda and 2 million jobs a year. that's historic and out of the senate and sitting here and waying for us to consider in the house. that's horrific obviously for the country. you know just in jersey where i know you know well, hurricane ida hits us so hard in my district. there are resources that'll help in crisis like that and obviously the gateway tunnel, that's 113 years old right now and needs to be replaced. we have so many things on the line here and not to mention the hardworking men and women and all those jobs. we have to get it done. i don't know why any small fraction of the democratic caucus would hold it up. we agreed in august to bring it to the floor in september. we have been holding this thing to vote on it at the end of september. and we are also by the way needs to make sure we get reconciliation done. there are things like reinstating of tax deductions and all of these energy put behind a very, very important issue like climate change which we got to fight. i am looking forward to making sure we do everything we can on that front. i believe we got a great plan to get the president's agenda moving and we can do it next week. i am just hoping everyone is there for it. >> the fact the matter is you will need every vote. if that group of progressive says we want $3.5 trillion, we don't want to come down on that number. we think all of these stuff in that bill is as important as the $1 trillion infrastructure package so you can't have one without the other. what kind of conversations do you have with your progressive colleagues, i see your 3.5, here is what i need you to do for me. where are you on that? >> i am sort of where the speaker is, she publicly said last month that we should vote on the house, whatever we can get 51 in the senate. that's what has to be worked on. we all agree every single democrat in the caucus voted last month. i don't want anyone to go home and say by the way, we decided to not move forward to fix your jobs or roads and tunnels and transits and climate change. that does not make any sense to me and by the way, speaker pelosi who's better than anybody else bringing votes in. she's fully behind this. she publicly said she will get the vote. i know we'll be there and we'll get it done and reconciliation done as well. that's my colleagues and we'll have to keep working to agree on what the final package is. it's going to be historic. it starts next week on infrastructure. and we got democrats and republicans, too. i think we'll have and as i saw at least a dozen republicans in the house backing this. you got huge bipartisan win for the country as well which i think is a really big deal. >> sir congressman, i have another question about negotiations you but sort of stop me. the trains and tunnels that everybody uses to go point west is 113 years old? >> and it's literally crumbling. i have been in there. 20% of america runs in there. if you go to the tunnel, you will see pieces coming off in the building. it's so old. electricity is shutting down. that's why the corridor often gets slowed down. there is major infrastructure projects in the country that's considered unsafe. as a country we stop investing in infrastructure and the physical infrastructures. we have to do it and including all electric vehicle infrastructures which is the future and that's in this bill as well. the idea of any small fraction of the democratic caucus would block this important legislation makes no sense to me. that's why we got to work together to get everyone there. >> thank you for inviting me to go with me to the crumbling 113 years old tunnel. i will give you invitation to the new tunnel because it definitely needs to be put in. let me ask you about a "times" article that interviewed progressives and published and talking about the excruciaing choices they would have to make if the bill is less than $3.5 trillion. let's say it was at $2.5 trillion number that jim clyburn was talking about. seems like we are throwing around numbers here. what would be lost if -- i kind of think this is where it's going. but if that's where we all end up, what is lost according to progressives and that 3.5 to $2.5 trillion drop? >> you know there are so many important programs there on child care and we have talked about climate and healthcare. the way i look at this is time horizons, some of these programs maybe for a shorter period of time. the bottom line is this. it's hard to know exactly what the end product is now and it's hard to negotiate here. oh, that's exactly what we are doing now. we have to keep working on. the most important point is it will be an historic investment in our country and families and seniors. that to me in the climate, that's what matters most and we got to keep working on it and not leave the table. we are doing it right now and that meeting last night and getting all that package ready. first and for most, monday, let's all get behind this great bipartisan bill that we all agree to vote next week on infrastructure. get it done. huge win for the country. also, get done separately of this package. i am optimistic about both and we'll get there. >> congressman josh gottheimer, thank you so much for being on the show. still ahead on "morning joe," jen psaki joins me here to wrap up a busy week in washington and discuss what's next on the president's agenda. also, ahead, u.s. gymnast aly raisman is our guest this morning. plus, what do john meacham and doc rivers have in common? a documentary. be sure to check out the latest episode of joe's podcast. they 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found dead from what authority say believed to be a self-inflicted gunman wound. police were transported to the hospital. officers seen searching an apartment near the shooting scene but have not confirmed if it's the home of the suspect's. new development in the fight against coronavirus. rochelle wallensky endorsed a third dose for center at-risk group for pfizer. wallensky also went further recommending a third dose for workers in high-risk and institutional settings. the advisers have voted against a recommendation a day earlier. wallensky says recommending a booster for those of at-risk workers mirrors the fda's authorization. people of 65 years or older and residents in long-term care residents should get a booster and so as people of 50 or 60 years old with underlying conditions and those 18 to 64 who are at an increase risk of occupational or institutional setting may get a shot. that's a wide concept there, willie. >> it is. there is a lot in there. let's comb through with the professor in the medical school at the university of minnesota, dr. michael ohstrol. help us walk through what the cdc says last night basically aligns with what the panel says with one addition if you work in a high-risk location that you would gate booster. >> when we first developed it, we rushed through to get it out with the guarantee that was safe. that was the most important thing. we have been working on how to best use it. what are the dosages we should use. the first two doses did a great job and with waning and immunity we'll need a third dose. what you will see not as a booster but a three-dose prime vaccine. i think what we have prepared now is consistent with the emerging science. >> if efficacy is waning, why not open it up to everyone and why not just say yeah, these things don't last forever and everyone is going to need shot. is it that they don't think we need it yet or unsafe, what's the distinction there? >> well, there is no reason to think it's unsafe. that's important to put it aside. what we are trying to do is figure how to best use it. early data shows that those who are older were more likely to see waning immunity, that coincides with the fact that the first people vaccinated, healthcare workers, older population, they had the most months of experience with the vaccine two dose approach. and now what we are seeing if they in fact are seeing a waning immunity, it's possible that over the course of the next few months as we get more people who are 50 or 40 or 30 or 20, we'll get to the six to seven months, and i think the important thing to understand is when we look at third doses for the mrna vaccine with the pfizer and moderna, they pack a punch with a third dose, that's going to take us to a new level protection that we can potentially expect to last for quite some time and be effective. >> doctor, we have grown to expect lies and conspiracy theories on forces on the internet and qanon and from chinese religious cults that have websites that are fronts for them for the united states. i do wonder how concerned you are when a doctor of the united states senate is going on right-wing talk shows and lying to americans saying 18 years old faced little to no risk from covid-19 but faced a great risk by taking a vaccine. >> joe, this is a challenge that obviously we have been doing since the beginning of this pandemic. first of all, i would say that doctor hopefully does not have his medical license. it should be revolted because of the danger of those kinds of discussions. many cases is not enough. right now i am very concerned. we are at the lowest level of new people getting vaccinated in the last four months. if you look at last week of less than half a percent of new people getting vaccinated. and so we have to keep pushing and pushing and as i have said before with you, this virus will find you if you don't get vaccinated. it will basically do what it's going to do. that's not the outcome we want for anyone. >> yeah. >> let's talk numbers. if you can give us a look at the number for these vaccines because we hear of breakthrough cases. we heard the pfizer vaccine of 95% effective and moderna at 88% and j&j 80%. i saw studies that says moderna is holding up quite well, 92% and pfizer a little less. can you give us the number for americans that have gotten the first and second shot but they are wondering six months later how effective their shots still are and whether they need to get that booster? >> let's take the pfizer data and that information comes from not just the united states but israel and from other locations around the world. we are seeing a reduction in the production against hospitalizations and real illness from the 90% down to 70% level. that's still good protection overall but what we are looking for now is gold standard we have set and we set 95% protection. we'll see that again when we give this third dose. i keep coming back to the point that we are still trying to understand how to best use this vaccine. what are the doses, what does the spaces? sometimes its got to be weeks apart or months apart. we'll get back with the 90% with pfizer. moderna held up rather well. they put more, you may say ump into the vaccine. that was phased out further. j&j we are still herding for good public information. you saw them announced this past week that in fact they could with the second dose booster protection backup in the 90% level. with these additional shots, all vaccines we have backup in the 90 something percent against infection and more importantly against severe illness and death. >> all right, dr. michael, thank you as always for being on the show this morning. the u.s. special envoy to haiti has resigns. what he calls inhumane to deport haitian migrants. that news was broke during our show yesterday morning as the white house now says there will be no longer be border patrol agents on horse back. morgan chesky has more from del rio, texas. >> reporter: migrants are still packed under this bridge. back in haiti, some deported speaking out. one of them, apologizing to the american people but saying he and his family hope to make the journey again. the rise in deportation sparking the u.s. special envoy to resign a protest. the white house under fires under these images announces horses will no longer be used in del rio. the department of homeland security announcing 1400 migrants have been deported. 3200 are still in custody. dhs officials told nbc news that number is in the thousands. >> they have an idea that life is better for them in america. >> reporter: so many migrants coming to the nonprofit shelter. >> reporter: this time last year, how many people would you help a week? >> 25. >> reporter: today? >> the last three days is 3,000. >> the number will go down and the media attraction of it all will disappear and we'll be hit with another wave. >> reporter: this problem never goes away for you? >> right. >> all right, let's bring in the host of msnbc, reverend al sharpton who visited the border yesterday. rev, what did you see, what can you tell us? >> there are still hundreds of people there from haiti under the bridge. i organized the delegations from the network and other groups of faith to go have a chat with them. we had a former ambassador who speaks the language and interprets for us and to see the conditions. even though the conditions were better than initially. they are still very bad. they can't bathe and seeing children in their mother's arms being held with their eyes looking for some hope. as we talk to them through the interpreter, they said they were afraid to go back to haiti. they ran of what's happening in haiti in terms of the president being assassinated and with other terrorism going on there and with earthquake, some of them does not have a home to go to. they legitimately were looking for asylum. and we were outraged of the agents on horses and whether or not a whip was used. a homeland security told me it was a major concern. we felt we had an obligation to go and show moral support and outrage of their being any kind of potential double standard on what asylum's policies going to be. we can't talk about asylum for some and you have people in this condition all of a sudden is different. we knew there would be some did not like us coming. one of our press group was heckling. we have seen a badge of honor that people are standing up for people and looking for something that america claims to represent. >> with haitian americans, the most important thing tanked in the democratic party ecosystem. he put out a statement that was blistering of the biden administration saying stop deportations and stop the use of title toll to expel people from this country. it's rare to see something like that going after a sitting president of the party. do you share those concerns of how the biden administration is handling this? do you want them to stop deportation? >> i said that yesterday in the press briefing and we called on that fair. i talked to the security. they must stop immediately of deportation and define what is asylum policy? how do you decide to give asylum to some and when you get to people of color, there is a different asylum. this needs to be spelled out and expedited and brought forward. you can't deal with this in a one time or another time situation. you must have a policy that's under stood that works for everybody. the politics is you have the situation, if i am the president and i am looking at the last few days where you had the crumbling now of the negotiations of the george floyd police bill, you have the problems of voting rights bill and now you got pictures of haitians being chased by horse men. this is weakening your base politically if you don't have the compassion to stand up. it has been a bad few days. >> reverend al, thank you for being with us. what do you have on "politics nation" this weekend? we'll have senators and congressmen on that as well and why the george floyd is questioned and if it can go forward with the withdrawal of senators and congressmen on the democratic side. we have a lot to do this weekend. >> all right, thank you so much rev for being here and of course we all greatly appreciate your work and what you did yesterday. so claire, we are at the top of the hour, so it's time that we talk about certainly for you, the most important news of the day, a cardinal steen that reminded me so much of the 2016 which of course was historic and having the lowest winning percentage of anyone world's series champs. they had a couple of eight game losing streaks during this season. i will be darned if cardinals are not turning the page. >> the 2006 cardinals team did very well in september. i think we spend a lot of time in baseball talking about power hitters and pitchers that throw 104 miles per hour. we don't spend enough time talking about aggressive base running. that's why this team has been so fun to watch over the last month. they are tearing it up on defense. that really gives pitchers more room, right? as long as they can get the ball in place, they know defense is going to save them. >> it's so much fun to watch these guys. you don't score from second. this team is and the next month is going to be very fun for everybody. >> it was just pure strategy and madness between those two managers. baseball is not played like that enough anymore. it's all about the long ball, all about the pitcher that can throw 100 miles per hour. the cardinals play all time baseball. the type of baseball that actually for the purest is the most fun to watch. >> yeah, they won 12 games in a row now and they're not clinching yet, they get pretty close to it. as we said yesterday, as good as the los angeles dodgers are, they are way ahead. would you really want to run into cardinals in a one-game playoff right now? i definitely would not want to see them with one game to save your season the way the cardinals are playing right now. tonight, joe, weather permitting. the red sox are up two games now and the j's have fallen one game back. this is make or take time for my yankees. we have cole on the hill tonight. >> that's a question if the rain ever stops. i know cole had a rough outing last time. but, the team for the most part, you guys had big win streaks, fallen back, it looks like and you look at the standings and the last week or so, looks like the yankees and the red sox are going into the most important regular season series between these two historic rivalry, they both going into this weekend in strong position. >> yeah. >> they both been playing very well right now. you see the yankees, really i think it all will turn on what happens this weekend because the red sox obviously can create huge separations with the sweep and winning two out of three and the yankees can climb back if cole pitches well tonight. >> mika is very nervous, she knows this yankees/red sox week is a make or break weekend. she's hoping beyond hope that the sox continues to wear their bright, yellow jerseys. >> i think stick with the you uniform. >> i think their fans want them to keep wearing it until they lose. >> i hope they keep doing well. all right, let's get to the news. a republican commission review of the nearly 2.1 million ballots cast last year in arizona confirmed the accuracy of the results of president biden's win in maricopa county. the draft report from cyber ninjas confirmed that the county's canvas of the 2020 was accurate. maricopa county's board of supervisor says in part, this means the tabulation equipment counted the ballots as they were designed to do and the results reflect the will of the voters. that should be the end of the story. everything else is just noise. the review widens biden's victory. joining us now, peter baker, columnist, eugene robinson and or former chief of staff, adrian, it's great to have you all on board this morning. >> tell me jean robinson, what if you hire a group of bank robbers and go in and pull off a heist and you find out the next morning that they put $10,000 more of your money in the bank. that's basically what happens to donald trump. these cyber ninjas whose leader believed in conspiracy theory and we are talking about bamboo chips in the ballots of arizona. these cyber ninjas found out that donald trump lost arizona by an even wider margin than the first 43 recounts that were performed out there. >> i was driving down to the studio this morning when i heard the report and i swerved almost. i was laughing so hard, this is an example of it. it shows we already knew that the votes actually counted because of recounted multiple times. down in mar-a-lago, the former president is flailing and he'll flail about this and he'll have something to say about the cyber ninjas, maybe they did not fight hard enough for him. apparently nobody fought hard enough for him. if this were a tv series, we would say donald trump jumps the shark and unbelievably there are still millions of americans will believer him. he's a bigger loser than we even suspected. >> peter baker, you just go through this with the conspiracy theories that the 45th president of the united states continued to push of the election that's stolen. that's not true. the united states supreme court says no, that's not true. you have of course georgia officials said it was not true. you have arizona officials who said it's not true. you have cyber ninjas and people are saying it's not true. you had trump's own data people saying it was the cleanest and most well-run election ever run before. you can go down the list and now you have lindsey graham and mike lee and others coming out saying that it was a clean election that there was no widespread voter fraud and the biden was elected. let's see who else? and recounts going in texas. the insanity is trump won. it's pure insanity and madness and awfully a lot of republican leaders still feel the need to play along with this madness. >> the fact that there was a report the last few days which i thought was telling that shows even the trump campaign produced a memo last winter before this famous rudy giuliani press conference where they presented these fanciful allegations of the voting machine. what's remarkable not only it's still continuing and here we are in september, the year after the election that it has succeeded in convincing a large chair of the republican base and president trump was cheated of an election that he lost convincingly by 7 million votes. it was 70% of republicans believed that joe biden was not elected as president. that's a real consequence. it goes beyond this as the fact that the arizona audit was supposed to prove that he cheated proved the exact opposite. it's ironic to say least. there is a series consequence to a large share of american believing democracy is unfair and broken when it's not. >> that's an important point. cyber ninjas may be a joke and they may find more votes this time around but they were propped up by the state's senate. i want to get your take in this. the house committee issued their first subpoenas yesterday, they are mark meadows, dan scavino, steve bannon and kash patel. demanded four men to turnover related documents and submit to depositions the following week. subpoenas say meadows and scavino were in contact of the rally that proceeded the violence. meadows took a lot of steps to undermine the election results leading up to january 6th. scavino met with trump on january 6th discussing of not certifying joe biden's victory. bannon told listeners from his broadcast that all hell is going to break lose tomorrow. bannon and meadows and scavino did not respond for a request for comment while patel issued a statement, "i will continue to tell the truth to the american people of the event of january 6th." the request was part of a partisan exercise and suggested he'll exert executive privilege in an attempt to block them. they have begun that work this morning. >> these are four people you would want to hear from if you want to know some of the central questions we have in this outstanding event. one of the things we do not know as it's documented attack on the capitol was what was president trump doing in the hours leading up to it. during the attack itself and the after math. that was never explained by governmental agency and as much as there has been some good journalistic. there will be a fight over some of these subpoenas. the president can't exert executive privilege. kash patel did not work this the white house, he works at the pentagon. those are open subpoenas by congress. that's not usually a person covered by executive coverage. meadows and scavino is more of a fight because they work directly for the president of the united states. so we may or may not see depositions happen on schedule but we certainly want to hear from these four people if you are trying to investigate what happened that day. >> adrian, common sense, it seems that you don't have to be a lawyer to understand if the discussions were part of a conspiracy to commit sedition. if the discussions were between donald trump and people around him and they were trying to overturn the election results of i don't know about -- 140 million people voting, 150 million people voting. chances are good, most judges are going to say that's not what executive privilege was intended to protect. >> that's right, joe. we are seeing the beginning of why this committee is so important, why it's so important that this investigative committee have subpoena power to get to the bottom of what happened that day. there is a lot that we don't know. i think these four witnesses will see if steve bannon actually shows up. we have not heard from him in a while. it's important that we get a firm understanding of what happened that day so we can make sure it never happens again. we are seeing it play out realtime why republicans did not want the committee to investigate this because this is not the headline they want right now. they don't want to talk about that day anymore. they want to pretend like that day never happened. many looking at the evidence, and it's clear what happened that day and pretended these were peaceful protesters. we are seeing this process play out. it's important that the investigative committee to take all the time to get to the bottom of this. i still find it unfathomable that the events that happen on that day did happen. the insurrectionists were allowed to get into the capitol the way they did. we need understand truly everyday that happened and occurred to get to that point. so we can make sure this never happens again. >> all right, to all this is going on as the white house is dealing a lot on its plates from the southern border to booster shots and democratic party overpassing meaningful legislations. joining me now is jen psaki. >> it's a slow time here. >> preparing for a government shutdown. what's the plan and what about public health in lieu if the possibility if it happens. >> obviously we are doing everything to avoid a shutdown. most public health will be exempted if there is a shutdown. there is no question, it's not helpful to fight a pandemic or address all the challenges we have in the country if the government is shutdown. so we are going to be inching towards that and republicans kind of going down on democrats. >> they are. this is crazy what's happening right now. the house has passed a continuing resolution that'll keep the government open. everyone can be secured and the government stays open and all their services. that included raising debt senate. senate republicans are saying we should raise the debt limit, yet, they still do not want to raise the debt limit. they want to play games with our economy, with the full faith and credit with the united states. they can vote on that today. >> meanwhile there is a lot of talk about the infrastructure package, reconciliation and bottom line is it comes down to the amount of money being spent and what's going to have to go. what's not going to the light of die in the end here in order to get some something passed. obviously the american people are waiting for bridges and roads and things to be i am improved in this country. are those things going to see the light of day? >> they are in the light of day right now. >> it's true that right now the next couple of days are going to be a pivotal period of compromise and discussions. the president will have his sleeves rolled up and will be calling and meeting people. what's important for the president is lowering costs for the american people, child care and so many people, lowering the cost for college and universal pre-k. those are all important to the president. he also knows there has to be compromised and negotiations. the good news is most democrats agree we have to lower all those costs. child care and college and preschool and that's important to people in the country. the question is the size. that's what they are talking about now. some things are going to have to go. progressives and moderates are going to have to some how come together. what is it about a president biden that you think will be able to make it happen. is he going to be able to get those two sides to come together and agree to move forward? >> he's going to work hard. just two days ago, he had a group of moderates and progressives, yesterday there were a lot behind the scenes happening and we continue to make progress. we evaluate everyday and what he needs to do and who he needs to call and invite here to make progress. the next couple of days are going to be important. we are also in a middle of a process. he's a great listener. he's working to do that with this package. >> he plans to meet with anybody and move this forward? we'll see. maybe we'll meet with people at a staff level or maybe people will go to the hill. we make decisions hour by hour on how to move things forward. >> i still want to know if paid leave are going to see the light of day. not getting a complete yes. >> it's not necessarily true that something has to drop out. all of these pieces are in the package. they are in the package because the president felt it was important to women, families and lowering costs for people across the country and being competitive. now we have to figure out how we can get agreements to get enough votes and get it across. >> let's talk about booster shots. it seems like what came out yesterday was a wide array of potential for people to get them. there are a lot of booster shots available and they're not available to the american public. do you think it will happen at some point? >> this is a process. it's an important question. the fda and the cdc, there is a lot of lead-up to this week because the first time booster shots in some capacity will be approved. they're not closing upshots, they're looking at data and moderna data that's submitted for approval for boosters. they're looking at more data for people under the age of 65 and important to note what was announced last night, people and healthcare workers and doctors, they're at the brink here. they're at the edge. we want to make sure they know they can take the boosters to get protected as well. the cdc director wants to make sure they know that. that's an important piece, it's ongoing. there will be more that's coming as they look at data. joe got a question for you. >> how are you? quick question. let's start with the southern border, a problem right now with haitian refugees down there and trying to figure out how to sort through that humanitarian crisis. there is been an ongoing humanitarian crisis for some time. what can the biden administration do to have a global approach to this where we can get it fixed on the southern border and be assure two or three or four months from now that we are not going to be continue in this humanitarian crisis. >> you are right. this needs a longer term fix. that's why the president proposed an immigration bill on his first day in office. fundamentally what we need to do is pass a new immigration los law. we have not seen a plan proposed. that's what we need to do to address this over the long-term even as we are addressing the current situation in del rio and the border as we speak. >> let me ask you about something that the white house put out in the past couple of days, a report that the richest families and households in america, billionaires are paying about 8% in income taxes, a lot less of a percentage than their clerical workers are paying. probably the people who take care of their grounds and clean up their homes. for some reasons, the house democratic tax plan does not touch that capital. it goes after instead income earners. does the biden administration want to see the richest americans and multi national corporations like nike and amazon who regularly pay zero percent in taxes actually get taxed at fair rates. how are you going to do it? >> we do. >> one of the fundamentals of what the president proposed is of course making child care college, universal pre-k available. that's not a pay for, that's not something going to pay for his proposals. that's something we should be doing. some of the top companies in the world about 50 of the top companies paid zero in taxes. that'soutrageous. as you said according to this report, people of the highest income earners are paying a rate that's much lower than nurses. that's crazy and it's something we want to address. that's what we are working through and discussing now. the president is going to keep fighting for tax fairness beyond. this is essential priority for him. >> what makes it so hard to make sure that people makes tens of billions of dollars, the mark zuckerberg of the world or bill gates of the world, what makes it so hard to get them to pay at least 20% or 25% of their income in taxes. why is capital tax in such a lower rate than income and how high of a priority is it for the president to actually finally to do something about it? >> why is it so hard? politics which is crazy. how can anyone regardless of your party advocating for someone who's a billionaire paying a lower rate than a nurse or a teacher. there are a lot of people in the republican party and some in the democratic party who are worried this is bad politics. it's not. it's good politics and it's what morally right. we should make our tax system more fair. we have to keep fighting this to get things across the finish line. >> back here at the white house. i am just curious what the administrations' thoughts are and biden's thoughts moving forward. we have a lot of conversations about mark zuckerberg. even the company's internal study, one of their platforms devastatingly detrimental with young girls. are there plans to address these companies which basically facebook, there is no place in term of regulation or hold it accountable as something that creates a product. it appears this keeps going down the line. >> the president thinks a lot of these platforms have too much power and can do much more to address all of these issues you referenced. as a mother of a young girl, it makes me outraged that you see instagram affecting girls mental health, that's outrageous. >> they lie in bed and scrolling through and seeing what they are not. the impact i think is going -- this is going to be big tobacco at some point. >> we know there are more data of how misinformation is traveling on the internet. we know people are getting misinformation on the internet that's preventing them or prompting them not to get a vaccine. >> will there be action on this? >> we have to see. there has to be appetite in congress and desire to get things done and changed. elevating these issues as a number of reporters have and you have and as we try to do is as important. >> willie. >> hey jen, beginning of june, many people were being vaccinated and the president's approval rating was up 56%? a gallup poll. we see he's down at 43%, higher than donald trump bullougher t lower than others. why did he drop so much? is it because of covid? >> people were mentally ready to be through the pandemic a couple of months ago. the delta variant was 1% of cases across the country. now we know how transmissible it's. it's far and away more than 99% of cases in the country. that obviously had an impact. we have seen a rise in people getting vaccinated which we are encouraged over the last month, there is still a percentage of the population that's not. that's the way we get through this. people are tired, they are exhausted, people want to go back to normal life. we recognize that. that's one of the reasons it is president took full steps a couple of weeks ago and putting in place and mandates for businesses on certain sides. that's how we'll help the country heal. 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>> 6,000 members are not vaccinated. some of them are going through this medical and religious exemptions. it was obvious on the street a few weeks ago that there is going to be some shortages just like there is obvious there is going to be bus driver shortages and other places. you got to plan for it and why the principals came out yesterday and said deblasio did not plan. that's what i am talking about. you can't shift it to the teachers. 93% of teachers are vavaccinate. that's what deblasio did not do. >> what's your level of concern about and what are you hearing from your members who are in school districts that are not requiing masks are not taking the kind of precautions that i think are necessary in order to have a good school year. >> there is trepidation and i am a glass half full kind of girl. this is what i am hearing in texas, we are in dallas talking to a bunch of people. ate outside and talking to people and what they said is in the suburbs of texas and suburbs of dallas, you are seeing more and more kids wearing masks in less than two weeks. we know what works. there is some trepidation there. they're wearing masks and getting vaccinated and fighting for good ventilation. we need to have testing. i am concerned in ohio and now with deblasio in new york, that they are walking away from having a good outbreak control process. you got a lot of parents who want to know if somebody in a class is exposed or has covid or test covid positive. a parent has a right to know that. there has to be that kind of quarantine process particularly in elementary schools where we don't have the vaccines for kids yet. we need those child care provisions. we can't put parent in this bind if you work for a small business, you don't get leave pay. you need to have leave pay if your kids all of a sudden is quarantined. we have to have an all of society process here to get kids into school and get them back into school and do it safely because they need to have school. >> thank you so much for everything you do here to protect our teachers and kids. you know listen, you have been working in public education for a long time. you also pointed out the fact that a majority of american parents want their kids back in school. did you ever think you would see the day that you would have a battle over kids wearing masks to get back in the classrooms or teachers getting vaccinated or providing more education there. did you ever think you would see this day and this is something we may see in the future, and hopefully we don't see another pandemic but do you think is this something we have to contend with in the future? 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"a picture of the united states capitol on a beautiful morning in washington. 7:52 in the morning. gene, your new column in "the post" republicans prove they never really wanted police reform. they're on the wrong side of history. we had senator cory booker lamenting the breakdown of these negotiations going on for months in fits and starts. there were moments where everyone thought they were very close to getting something done to have federal oversight of policing and yet they evaporated and many said, yes, they believed they were operating in bad faith. >> it's hard to come to any other conclusion. look, i think senator tim scott tried to get republicans in the senate onboard a reasonable, meaningful police reform package. it's unclear he had to kind of straddle the fence, but in the end, he wasn't able to do it. he wasn't able to get any movement on important issues like qualified immunity and other provisions that essentially grant a blanket impunity to police officers that is just unjustified, is out of step. the republican position at-large is it's fine, the texas law, it's fine for any random individual to sue a doctor for performing a constitutionally protected abortion but it's not fine for the victim of an illegal assault by a police officer to sue that police officer. it makes no sense, yet that is the position the party has taken and, you know, i share senator booker's frustration. george floyd was murdered and we all saw it. the nation reacted. there was a consensus. there was a time, a moment for reckoning on issues of race and race in policing, and time for reform. and it's not happening, and that's just an abomination. it's just wrong. maybe at some point in the future we'll get there. it's a tremendous disappointment. >> and as you say, actually cory booker agrees with you, that tim scott was negotiating in good faith. he calls him a friend and thought he really wanted to get something done. if you look at the statement after the fact he referred to the defund the police. >> that was dishonest. that was just dishonest. it's not true. and that also was disappointing. >> yeah. well, some of these changes now coming out of the justice department in the meantime. gene, thank you. still ahead, the results of a months-long hand recount confirms what most people have known for a year, joe biden won the state of arizona. the cyber ninjas go bust for president trump. we'll talk about that. plus, a look at the new project that has historian and jon meacham teaming up with nba coach and legend doc rivers. we'll explain their partnership when "morning joe" comes right back. i've spent centuries evolving with the world. some changes made me stronger. others, weaker. that's the nature of being the economy. i've observed investors navigating the unexpected, choosing assets to balance risk and reward. and i've seen how one element has secured their portfolios, time after time. gold. an element so agile and liquid. a proven protector. 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happening today including some political news out of arizona. in fact, let's just roll the tape. breaking news overnight, nbc news projecting joe biden wins arizona. >> yes, the same thing joe reported last november. holds true today. a months long hand recount confirmed president joe biden won and the election was not stolen from former president donald trump. yet even now supporters of the ex-president including texas governor greg abbott are digging even deeper. the latest on that state's new push for an audit of the 2020 vote. you can trace it back to donald trump's lies and the insurrection they helped inspire. now the committee investigating that attack wants to know what the former president's top aides knew and when did they know it. joe, gosh -- >> well, it's delightful, isn't it? the poor employee of fox news who had to quit after calling arizona for joe biden, i mean, how could he do that? there have been, like, 87 recounts. he's still right, willie. what i love about this, the cyber ninja guys, the cyber ninja guys come in, in effect, to steal the election for donald trump and to lie and say the election was stolen, and they come up all bamboo stuff. but at the end of the day, joe biden actually gets more votes. the cyber ninjas say, oh, wait a second, yeah, biden not only won but he got more votes. this would be like somebody hiring a group of really gnarly bank robbers to go in and do a heist on a bank and then in the morning the bank officials walk in and the gnarly bank robbers are counting the money. you know, we've done an audit. you're actually like $10,000 short. so we've given you $10,000. it's the exact opposite of the scam that trump supporters were trying to set up. it really, seriously, can't make it up. >> actually, you're right. it's actually unbelievable. this is a group, the cyber ninjas, florida-based, no experience whatsoever in reviewing elections. they have conspiracy theories at the top of their organization about what happened during the election. so trump and his people find those guys. okay, we'll send them in to arizona. they'll overturn the election for us. as you say they come back with more votes for joe biden and fewer votes for donald trump. the margin actually grows. we're going to dig into that. let's start with the house select committee investigating the january 6th insurrection, issuing its first subpoenas yesterday to four of former president's allies. mark meadows, former deputy chief of staff for communications dan scavino, former white house adviser steve bannon, and former pentagon chief of staff kash patel. they are seeking information on trump's actions leading up to and during the attack and demanding those four men turn over documents by october 7th. they are also ordered to submit to depositions the following week. the subpoenas say meadows and scavino were in contact with the organizers of the rally and meadows took a number of steps to undermine the election results leading up to january 6. scavino, allegedly, met with trump on january 5th to discuss ways to persuade members of congress against certifying joe biden's victory. in bannon's case the committee said he attended a january 5th meeting at a d.c. hotel to discuss plans to overturn the election results. that same day he told listeners on his podcast, all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. that's steve bannon. patel, allegedly, was in contact constantly with meadows on january 6 and took part in discussions with pentagon officials involving capitol security. bannon, meadows and scavino did not immediately respond to request for comment while patel issued a statement that reads in part, i will continue to tell the truth to the american people about the events of january 6th. in a statement former president trump said they were part of a partisan exercise and suggested he would assert executive privilege in an attempt to block them, mika. some of this comes out, also, woodward and costa's book -- we had them on earlier this week -- and they have many details including steve bannon sitting in a war room on january the 5th, on the eve of january 6, talking about all hell breaking loose and they were going to kill the biden presidency in the crib, as he's alleged to have put it. >> some of these people are going to try to prove how they couldn't have known about this because it was, as we are finding here, just all coming together with a lot of people leading up to that insurrection. this all could set up a legal showdown between trump and the biden white house, which is reportedly leaning toward releasing more information to congress about what the former president and his aides were doing on january 6th. two people familiar with the discussions tell "the washington post" that given the gravity of the events on that day, president biden plans to err on the side of disclosure and grant requests from the house select committee. the house select committee says it has already received thousands of documents from all seven government agencies from which it requested information. the national archives has also sent documents to trump for review, a process required by law, before the information can be turned over to congress. joe, there are so many people involved with what led up to january 6. i just wonder where accountability or what accountability looks like at some point. >> well, we just need the information. >> mm-hmm. >> the republicans in the house and senate, almost every one of them, are trying to cover this up. they all voted against a bipartisan, bi-cameral sweeping investigation to get to the truth because they understand that some of their leaders were involved on january the 6th. some of them had phone calls with donald trump that they bragged about to other members that they now don't want the american people to know the truth about. and there are a lot of americans who want to know who around the president was guilty of committing treason. that day. there are a lot of people who want to know who among the president's men and/or women were planning those riots to overturn an election. to overturn a democratic election in america. we have a right to know. and when the president is saying this is a partisan exercise, that's 2018, it's kind of cute when donald trump says that. it's also even cuter when he says that there's executive privilege when you're dealing with sedition. no, donald, i've got very bad news for you. when you engage in sedition against the united states of america, you're not going to find federal judges that are going to say, you know what, we don't care that he was sitting there and watching the television and cheering on the rioters and refusing to stop the riot and his aides were talking behind the scenes, were talking about how all hell was going to break loose the next day, were working, and even the lawyers were working on theories which we really haven't talked about enough here. on how to overturn a democratic election. and then how to stop the constitutional counting of the electoral votes on january the 6th. there is no executive privilege for treason. there is no executive privilege for sedition. there is no executive privilege for being engaged in sedition or being a part of sedition or for encouraging sedition. so we have to have the investigation. we have to have the documents. we have to know what the president knew, when he knew it, what steve bannon knew, when he knew it, what all of the president's aides knew, when they knew it. and it's not really going to be that tough. just going to look at phone records. going to talk to people who don't want to go to jail. going to let the chips fall where they may. because this still is america. what you're seeing on tv here, they failed. we still live in america. so actually the law matters. your vote still counts. no one like donald trump has a right to actually throw away your vote when he doesn't win an election. that happens in other countries. that still doesn't happen here. still ahead, more on those not so sneaky cyber ninjas. how they not only failed to prove voter fraud but actually widened joe biden's victory in arizona. you're watching "morning joe." 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>> sam stein, there's a very unhappy former president waking up to this news that the cyber ninjas, a conspiracy group whose sole purpose was to overturn the election results in maricopa with no experience doing any of this, seizing machines, being allowed to dig through this, finding more votes for joe biden and fewer for donald trump. >> the irony is pretty rich. this should be the final chapter when you have a group as official as the cyber ninjas weighing in. that should be it. case closed. i mean, this is basically confirming what we've known for months, what a waste of time and money. a crack pot group from florida coming in to try to overturn a state is pretty rich. we all know this is not the end of it, right? yesterday donald trump put out a statement calling for greg abbott, the governor of texas, to embrace an audit of the texas 2020 results, a state that he won handedly. so he's trying to pursue a 50 state audit strategy. the reason he is, he doesn't care so much now about 2020. the idea that he would be reinstated into office was always fanciful. that was supposed to happen in august. we're way past august. he cares about having the levers in place, the powers at his hand to potentially flip election results should he run again in 2024. and some of these voting laws and the basic justifications for these audits is to question the legitimacy of election results. so it's pretty scary stuff. i will say there is one common thread that ties all of this stuff together, the audits, cyber ninjas, eastman, the insurrection. while these people were trying to overturn elections, form an insurrection, what we can step back and conclude they weren't the best and brightest behind this. no offense to dan scavino but he was the social media director of the white house. he was a little bit out of his depth when he was trying to plan an insurrection. john eastman, yes, he's a federal society lawyer. he clearly is out of his depth when he's trying to plan an insurrection. cyber ninjas, what were they doing in arizona? it's crazy. so you step back and wonder what if they had actual professionals trying to do this and you begin to wonder how much worse it could have been. coming up -- >> i also feel especially proud to be standing here where some years ago jackie robinson and roy campanella paved the way and made it possible for us in baseball. they proved to the world that a man's ability is limited only by his lack of opportunity. >> that was baseball great hank aaron during his 1982 induction into the hall of fame. it's among a handful of key speeches whose impact go far beyond the world of sports. "morning joe" is coming right back. in 2016, i was working at the amazon warehouse when my brother passed away. and a couple of years later, my mother passed away. after taking care of them, i knew that i really wanted to become a nurse. amazon helped me with training and tuition. today, i'm a medical assistant and i'm studying to become a registered nurse. in filipino: you'll always be in my heart. former president trump is supporting an audit of the texas election. he won the state of texas by 621,000 votes and 5 1/2 points but still wants a review of the votes there. he's flailing, taking aim at two senators who were among his most loyal republican allies when he was in office for not going along strongly enough with his claims of election fraud n. a statement on wednesday trump said utah senator mike lee and south carolina senator lindsey graham should be, quote, ashamed of themselves for not putting up the fight necessary to win. this came in response to journalist bob woodward and robert costa who reported in their new book "peril" the senators personally vetted trump's claims of 2020 election fraud and were unconvinced. so, joe, tie all this together, wife the cyber ninjas in arizona, trump supporting a big recount in the state of texas that he won by 621,000 votes. he's going after lindsey graham, of all people, who has been at his side through thick and thin, and all of these subpoenas coming from the house subcommittee. the president is flailing again. >> this is what we've been warning the republican party about for four or five years that when you follow this guy, he's going to take you into the sewer, and he's going to keep you in the sewer as long as it serves his purpose. this republican party is now dedicated to supporting with these crazy audits, with candidates like the guy running for governor in nevada, who used to be a u.s. senator, who won't even say that joe biden won the election. they're more dedicated to not offending conspiracy theorists than they are telling the truth that everybody knows. so just the absolute madness of it all, cyber ninjas in arizona, bamboo, recounts in texas and states where donald trump won. every single person looking at this in the federal judiciary saying there's nothing there and yet there still is a loyalty to donald trump. you could not, if you were the shrewdest democratic operative ever born, you could not come up with a conspiracy -- >> no. >> -- more audacious and more crushing than the plan that donald trump hatched when he went down that escalator back in june of 2015. he is destroying this party bit by bit, day by day, year by year. he lost them the white house. he lost them the house of representatives. he lost them congress. and that still is not enough. the conspiracy theories keep going. and people still keep bowing and scraping to really, let's just face it, the biggest political loser in our lifetimes. i mean, unless you were around when herbert hoover lost the white house, the house, and the senate. it's sad really. it's sad that these republicans aren't strong enough to recognize that america needs a conservative party. america needs an alternative to -- >> like liz cheney. >> america needs an alternative to policies that many believe are out of touch with middle america. but they don't have that party in donald trump. three-time olympic gold medalist aly raisman. we'll talk about her leadership on and off the gym floor. 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coach rivers joins us now. what a great honor to have you here with us. i'm a little concerned with you hanging out with the likes of meacham, but i guess you have to do what you have to do. talk about the project and why you got involved in it. >> well,-brainer for me, joe. if jon meacham calls you, i love his work, i love his writings and everything about him. so when a guy like jon meacham calls, first of all, you say yes. you take the call. and then the second part when he says he wants to do a podcast with you, you say yes. the toughest part for me was to read his stuff. you learn anybody can read a book, but reading and narrating is a completely different thing as you probably understand that. it was just a thrill. a really cool thing to do. >> so, coach, you have several episodes. i want to key in first on the episode that involves my hero -- my hero of heroes, hank aaron. i was born in '63, a white kid born in the suburbs. i had no idea what hank aaron was going through. throughout his life, throughout his career. first to milwaukee and then in atlanta, alm across the deep south and the country and even in '74 when he was chasing babe ruth. i just knew this guy, this legend, he had extraordinary dignity. and i have to say he's one hero i've had throughout my entire life where i never once said, yeah, all right, people are people. they make mistakes. i still love hank. no. hank aaron carried himself with dignity throughout his entire life. >> yeah, he was one of the classier individuals i ever had a chance to meet. i was lucky enough to play for the atlanta hawks and ted turner owned the braves and the hawks at that time, and so we got a chance as players to meet hank aaron, and you're right. i don't think because of his class and the way he carried himself, you read later how much he had to go through to break this record of babe ruth. and talking about this and talking to other people, a great chance to talk to the manager dusty baker who was his teammate, and you hear these stories about hank aaron as a man. forget the home run part. just how classy he was. how he took care of people. it's just amazing. also how strong he was. he did a lot of stuff, he said a lot of things. this whole episode was great for me as well. the vin scully call is one of the greatest calls and bravest calls at that time ever made. >> yeah. let me play a clip for everybody. one episode is on hank aaron's hall of fame acceptance speech. let's play a clip of that right now. >> i also feel especially proud to be standing here where some years ago jackie robinson and roy campanella proved the way and made it possible for frank and me and for other blacks hopeful in baseball. they proved to the world that a man's ability is limited only by his lack of opportunity. >> and you talk an awful lot about that, coach, about that speech. >> yeah. it was just so powerful that speech. and, you know, again, i think people remember hank aaron more for breaking babe ruth's record and that's what they should remember him for. the things he stood for and was brave enough to say is what really makes him stand out. >> coach, it's willie geist. what a great treat and podcast continuing the spirit of meacham's. you are coaching during a time of athlete protests talking about colin kaepernick a couple days ago and certainly it's right at the center of the nba when you have leaders around the league like lebron james stepping up and saying we're not going to shut up and dribble this is part of who we are, part of our experience and we're going to speak about it. you have an episode on one of the forefathers of that, muhammad ali. he made a speech in protest of the war. >> every time i enter the ring in a way i'm going to war. they say to me daily you are a prized fighter. what's the difference? and i would like to say to those critics and to others there is one hell of a lot of difference in fighting the rain and going to war in vietnam. >> muhammad ali in may of 1967. and so you can talk about that speech. we can start there if you want to and i'm so interested in what the last 18 months have been like since the murder of george floyd, to be a coach in the nba. >> well, just muhammad ali we can talk about. it's great to see you again, willie. it's been a long, long time since the olympics in london. >> yeah, back in london. >> we had some fun together. >> when you talk about muhammad ali, that glove behind me is one that he signed to me personally and i had the pleasure to meet him as well. he was just so powerful. how many people, not just athletes, would be willing to give up three years of their prime to take a stand? and that's what ali did. i don't think people remember that he was not very popular when he was boxing later in his career after the protests and not wanting to go to the war. but he died a hero because he stood for so many good things that i think at the end of it people realized how powerful it was. me, willie, the last 18 months watching our players, i don't think i can be more proud of them. they stood up, all of them, especially i'm an nba coach so guys like lebron james and chris paul and many others, and the girls of the wnba, the women of the wnba, have been powerful. maya moore walked away from her career to help someone who was unjustly put in prison to get out. so i love it. sports and politics have always been mixed. these guys have a chance to talk. i'm glad you're not shutting up and just dribbling. >> you had one of the most memorable moments in sports or all of culture in the last 18 months. it was just over a year ago last summer when you said through tears you said it's amazing we continue to love this country when a country that doesn't love us back. i think that was one of the most gripping moments, even the great doc rivers was so moved by all of this. what were you feeling and what is it like to be a prominent figure in the world of sports and to have that voice because i think for a generation or so you were expected to play basketball and make money for the team and for yourself and now there's just so much out there. athletes and coaches like yourself are stepping up into these roles. >> i don't know if it's our duty. i think it's our choice. athletes and i've always decided to be involved in politics and i don't even call it politics. i call it what's right and wrong. it shouldn't be a black man. it shouldn't be a white man. it should be americans just getting involved doing what's right. for me it was natural. >> we just passed the 20th anniversary of the attacks of september 11th. one of the episodes of your new podcast you look at jack buck. he wrote a poem called for america in the days following those attacks. let's listen. >> i don't know -- i don't know about you, but as for me the question has already been answered. should we be here? yes. should we show others how to demonstrate our resolve? yes. and we shall do it this evening. i would like to read a poem i have written for this occasion after which there will be a special 21 gunfire works salute. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ >> since this nation was founded under god, more than 200 years ago we have been the bastion of freedom, the light that keeps the free world aglow. >> still gives you chills, doesn't it, doc? that was six days after september 11th. >> he is the voice of the cardinals, obviously. and in that moment he was the voice of america and a great example. people don't realize he had parkinson's disease, was really struggling with his health. joe buck, his son, was more fearful he couldn't get through the speech than he could get through the speech. but another example of sports. when things like 9/11s happen, and let's hope it never happens again, we needed to show the world we were back to normal and that nothing was going to stop us living the american dream, the american life. i thought sports was really key into that by going back and playing. we stopped everything for a while. that was the first game and a game of memory because of jack buck's speech. >> coach, let's talk about another episode and for people that are younger than me, they won't remember billie jean king in the battle of the sexes. it looks like a cartoon, it was so overblown but actually it's shocking and it shows how far we've come it's shocking to actually look back and remember how important that moment was. >> oh, that moment was unbelievably important and you're like me. a lot of people a lot younger than me but for us it was huge. 90 million people watched on tv. talking to billie jean king about it, it's rare an athlete goes into an event knowing how big the event actually is. talking to billie jean king, the fact she really knew how big this was and she knew she had to win and then pulled it off. my brother was cheering for bobby rigs and i cheered for billie jean king because that's what brothers do. it was a great match. it was fun. bobby riggs wouldn't take his jacket off. he was such the great promoter and chauvinist. >> with you at the helm, i have to ask you before you go, you know i'm a hoops guy. ben simmons says he wants out of philly. have you talked to him? are you going to convince him to stay? >> there's times i think we're getting through and times that i think i'm talking to people who still believe trump won the election. i'm not sure but i'm going to keep trying. let me say that. >> well, let's hope you get him back. you'd like to take another crack at him. doc rivers, thanks so much for being with us. really great to see you. the six episode documentary podcast series is titled "it was said: sports." it is a must listen. doc, thanks so much. coming up, aly raisman has performed admirably on the biggest stages in all of sports, but the spotlight is equally bright in her public push for accountability. for those who abuse their power. three-time olympic gold medalist aly raisman next on "morning joe." nly imagine a comfortable night's sleep 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and it can cause violent uncontrollable coughing fits. ask your doctor or pharmacist about whooping cough vaccination because it's not just for kids. ♪♪ ask your docto♪♪or pharmacist about whooping cough vaccination ♪♪ adversaries by so many organizations and our abuse has been diminished, we've been victim shamed online over and over again, we've been gas lit, we've been made to feel that we don't matter and by these organizations and i never want another child to feel that way again. >> that was just part of the powerful testimony by aly raisman who along with three other american gymnasts told congress last week, federal law enforcement and gymnastics officials turned a blind eye to team dr. larry nassar's sexual abuse. the hearing was part of a congressional effort to hold the fbi accountable after multiple missteps in investigating the case, including the delays that allowed the now imprisoned nassar's abuse to continue for weeks, for months. all four witnesses say they knew the girls or women were abused by nassar after the fbi was made aware of the allegations against him. an internal investigation by the justice department released in july said the bureau made fundamental errors in the probe after usa gymnastics first reported the allegations in 2015. the fbi has acknowledged its own conduct was inexcusable and aly joins us right now. aly, thank you for coming on the show. i know you've got a really important project that we're going to talk about, but first i just want to ask how you're doing. i saw a post that you put out after your testimony. i watched all of your testimony and i was so impressed on so many levels and i also really just felt very deeply for you in terms of your own suffering and i just feel like it's always with you, talking about it, sharing it, reliving it, hearing others relive it, it almost feels like -- and i'm wondering if i'm correct -- if it's a battle for your own mental health every step of the way. how are you doing with this? because everyone saw such incredible composure. >> yeah, thank you so much for having me and thank you for asking that question because i think it's a really important one where you are right, where people see us speaking and maybe in that moment we look strong and, you know, put together, and i don't think people realize that it really does take everything i have to be strong in that moment. i know this is so much bigger than myself, so much bigger than the four of us giving that testimony. i know there are so many people out there that are struggling that are survivors of abuse that are unfortunately suffering in silence. so i put a lot of pressure on myself because i recognize that most survivors don't have the platform that i have and i feel very lucky to have that. but it is really hard, you know, i think anytime i speak out about it, you know, right now, for example, i am -- i am really nervous and sometimes, you know, before i go to sleep before these interviews i have had those butterflies in my stomach and sometimes it's hard to sleep because i want to make sure i'm saying the right thing, but it's also not only the pressure publicly but it's also so deeply personal where i'm trying to navigate healing in my private moments but then also navigating it publicly, too. so sometimes it can feel like taking step backwards in my own personal healing because i have to continually relive it. >> that's really hard. i will tell you in terms of your public persona and how you present all of this and step up for your fellow teammates and for young girls, you've got it. you're in the zone. so you can worry less about that. you're doing a great job. >> thank you. >> i will say your partnership with lifetime is another way in which you're trying to step up and help your team, help younger women and help get some spotlight on this problem. what is it that you're hoping to shine a light on with the lifetime special, which i guess airs september 24th, 8:00 p.m. on lifetime, it's called "darkness to light." >> yeah, it airs tonight and i am really proud of this project and just really grateful to lifetime for doing this with me. it's been an incredible journey to be able to meet so many survivors. you know, the inspiration behind doing this show was, you know, after sharing my story publicly i never imagined the support that i would get. i never realized how many people out there could relate, unfortunately, to my story. there's so many survivors out there. so i would be at the grocery store, i would be like, you know, in the milk aisle and a seven-year-old woman or even a six-year-old man would come up to me and say i'm a survivor of sexual abuse and you are the only person i have ever told or a 14-year-old girl would say you are the only person i've told or i told my father and they didn't believe me so i'm coming to you for validation. so i realize this need for support for survivors and validation for survivors and just more of a common understanding in our society of how common abuse is and that we really need to be making it a priority to prevent and educate people as much as possible to prevent this because it's horrible, but i'm just really grateful the survivors i have met along the way have helped me in my healing. tonight i hope it helps one person out there who is struggling to let them know that they are not alone and that we support them. >> i know you've really wanted to make it really clear to other survivors that they are not alone and this special with lifetime as you point out that's tonight, september 24th. everybody should watch. i notice another thing you're hoping to accomplish with this is to present some tools moving forward, things that can be done. can you share with us some ways to sort of curtail this problem, to catch it earlier on? what are the tools moving forward? >> yeah, thank you for asking that question. you know, i've been partnered with darkness to light for many years and that was part of the inspiration for naming this project darkness to light. one of them was for the organization, the other part is because i want people to know that there is a light at the end of the tunnel and if you are struggling out there no matter what you've been through you are going to get through it. darkness to light has a training that darkness to light and i provide for free and when i watch this training i couldn't help but think i wish i had watched this when i was younger because i would have known that i was being abused and i wish the adults around me had watched it, too, because i think that people would have hopefully been able to stop what happened to us, but, you know, there's many different red flags to an abuser, but i think that some of them would be, you know, an adult should never be alone with a child, grooming is something that's really important for people to understand, my abuser groomed myself and a lot of my teammates where if an adult -- and it's important to tell kids it's not just a creepy man in a van, you know, it could be anybody. unfortunately it's very common for it to happen in the family or it could be a really beautiful woman. it's not the stereotypical person that we think it is. these abusers gain people's trust and sometimes they also groom the people around the child. so it kind of can make the adult say there is no way this adult could do that because they are so nice. >> right. >> they do that on purpose with gift giving, taking photos of a child, having favorites, keeping them alone, but are all red flags, but i really encourage people to take the training because it really helps give a better understanding. >> if i can add to that, those red flags, sometimes, you know, a child can't understand the nuance of someone that who is in a position of power as an adult and if they're too nice and they're, you know, doing things that they don't understand that nuance, but guess who can, someone else who is seeing this going on. so it's important to keep your eyes open for the younger ones along the way, if you are an adult working on a team or if you are a team member, everybody is a part of watching this happen. if something doesn't seem right, say something, and, aly, i just want to thank you for saying a lot. and i know it hasn't been easy for you. the documentary aly raisman "darkness to light" airs tonight on lifetime and we all will be watching. we're very, very proud to know you. aly raisman, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. >> thank you so much. and that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle. it is friday, september 24th, and we've got a lot to get to. so let's get smarter. we've got breaking news overnight, the head of the cdc overruling her own advisory board and expanding who is eligible for booster shots. the president is expected to speak on this very subject later this hour. you don't want to go anywhere. down in tennessee yet another u.s. community is now reeling. one person dead and more than a dozen injured after a gunman opened fire inside a supermarket. we will have the latest from the scene. down at the border in texas removals are ramping up at the make shift migrant camp. haiti's former prime minister will be here to explain why they're fleeing their home country and how the united states should respond. and the prosecution is expected to rest today sending the r. kelly trial to the jury. the journalist who broke the story, are you ready for this, 20 years ago, that is how long we have been in this with r. kell