listen here. >> don't have very much hope. >> you don't have hope? why not? >> trying to. but the same thing keeps happening. there's just no justice. >> if i'm being honest, i feel nervous because something in me tells me he's going to go away free or with a lesser sentence. that's why we're having these protests. >> while maybe the process works for me, someone who looks like me, it doesn't work for everybody. >> is that a concern for you as we start this trial? >> absolutely, absolutely. yes, i have concerns that he's going to be acquitted, like many other officers have been. >> reporter: now, alex, what do we expect to see tomorrow? we expect court to come into session at 8:00 a.m. the judge will hear at least an hour of motions. then at 9:00 a.m. that is when jury selection is slated to begin. that process is going to be pretty slow. you're going to have eight potential jurors questioned over the course of about three weeks. they're going four in the morning, four in the afternoon and that process will continue until a jury of 12 and four alternates is officially impanelled. that's something they have scheduled for about three weeks of time. we know that opening arguments for the trial will begin on march 29th. alex. >> shaq, thank you for keeping a close eye on all of that for us. we appreciate it. we're going to bring in legal analyst paul henderson. paul, welcome to you. we have the former officer, derek chauvin, he's going to be tried on second-degree mulderer, second-degree manslaughter. we have the minneapolis court of appeals saying the judge was wrong when he refused to reinstate a third-degree murder charge so how does that play into this case? >> well, it's a legal issue that when you send a ruling like that back down to the trial judge, he can re-evaluate it very quickly, but he could take his time to use the standards asdemanded from the appellate court to go through a lengthy process. i think the issue will be in the analysis and the decision no matter which way he goes, one, for the prosecution to use that information and amend the charges to include this third-degree charge that actually only exists in three other states, or to make a decision not to use it. now, it's a powerful tool for prosecution, but that powerful tool has been challenged by advocates saying that third-degree homicide charges are not enough because it's limited in what the sentencing can be and that doesn't speak to the weight or the significance of this case. so that's a real challenge. the length -- >> no, so a question i would have would be is there one that would be easier for the prosecution to prove? does that play into this at all? >> well, it's already charged as a second-degree homicide. third-degree lowers the mental intent dealing with the issue, and so that's a powerful tool for prosecutors that make it a little bit easier. it lowers the bar in terms of how they can hold him accountable. but as it lowers the bar for what he can be held accountable for, it also has a limited sentence. so the maximum for a third-degree is -- i believe it's ten years, if i'm not mistaken in that challenge. >> again, and all of this is popping up as i'm listening to you. when you say they're combining both second and third-degree charges, can you combine them and be convicted only on one? >> well, that's exactly how it happens. >> okay. >> so you can be charged with the whole spectrum, but when you present to a jury as a trial attorney, you have to explain the different levels of culpability and you try to get the jury to hold for the highest level of culpability but you have a catch-all with lesser included charges. >> gotcha. >> and so that's essentially what this is. the bigger issue to your first question is how is this going to affect the length of the trial because if and when that charge gets added, the defense now has the bar to say we were unprepared for that charge. we were unprepared to defend him and this is going to change our preparation and delivery, and you don't want them to be able to raise the argument that they were unprepared and then that gives you a back door to appeal the charge if there's a conviction in this case. >> wait a minute, would that allow them just to delay the process? >> correct. >> could they even start the process and then say, oh, now we need a time-out? >> they could make the argument, but i would expect that what their strongest card to play is that they need a delay to prepare for this charge in particular because it may shift, and it could shift the witnesses that the prosecution provides, the evidence that the prosecution is going to put in and certainly the arguments that the prosecution is going to make, and they may ask for an additional time or short amount of time or long amount of time given the nature of the case to delay it. that's an issue. >> two questions on difficulty. one, how difficult it's going to be to find guilt in this case, and secondly, how difficult is it going to be to find jurors, impartial jurors in this case, given global publicity? >> yeah. well, homicide trials are always difficult, and you're always concerned as a trial lawyer of how you're going to select the right attorneys to put into that courtroom to follow your direction and make the decision that you need made. in a case like this, the stakes are that much higher. this is essentially the biggest case that that state has had, and it's obviously one that the entire country is looking for or watching. in part what we see happening in the background are these issues coming to light in the form of legislation, and so every one in this country is talking about this case and rightly so. that's a lot of pressure for both sides of advocates that will be on display trying to address what defines justice specifically with race disparities in our criminal justice system for holding officers accountable. that's a hot topic, a hot button and has to be at the forefront of every juror's mind and every advocate's mind that's in that courtroom. >> so how hard is it going to be to find a conviction in this case? >> i think it's -- i think it's going to be hard because what is on trial is more than just the act of the murder itself. what is on trial are the subjective and often biased beliefs that we all carry with us about police misconduct. what we call carry into the courtroom about race and accountability. all of those things have to be unpacked and proven. from my perspective, these are some of the difficulties that we've had with police accountability cases in the past, like with trayvon martin that you and i both talked about at length when it was happening. one of the criticisms that i had ad nauseam was the fact that the advocates in that courtroom shied away from dealing with race directly and having presented that to the audience of the jurors. so i'm curious to see what that's going to look like. >> even with the video, it's going to be that hard you think? >> well, the standards are still what would a reasonable officer do under those circumstances. and as we have had videos in the past without accountability, as we have had testimony in the past without accountability, as we've had evidence in the past without accountability for police officers, there is a bias and a preference that is given to police officers when they are in a courtroom, especially when they are executing their job, no pun intended. and so in this case while the judgment seems clear to us, we've been down this road before. we've seen this judgment. we've held these opinions. and we've been surprised or not surprised by the outcomes of many of the trials. >> even with derek chauvin -- last question. even with derek chauvin's history on the job, allegations of brutality as well on the job, even with all that? >> oh, you're raising great issues, but the real issue is whether or not we're going to be able to hear and see all of that misconduct. how much of that will be presented to the jury and how much of that will be determined as cumulative or biased and prevented to be used as tools from the prosecution when they got in that courtroom. remember, they're looking for jurors that don't have familiarity with this case, that don't have familiarity with this officer, that have not been focused on the outcome of this trial in particular, so they may not know what we know from reading the news and watching the paper about what his misconduct acts are and how it directly relates to their interpretation of his likelihood to perform in a way that's inappropriate because of his past acts. that's why so much of it is restricted out in the first place. >> okay. this was a great chat, paul henderson. thank you for ironing out and answering all my questions just firing away. thank you. now we'll take a look at today's other big headlines for you, including president biden's covid relief bill. the $1.9 trillion is headed to the house, not the white house just yet. there will be a final vote in the house on tuesday, which means much-needed relief is on the horizon for millions of americans. >> this piece of legislation has far reaching, i think, assets for the american public. we're helping everybody. there's no one missed in this piece of legislation, and i'm proud of it. >> but at the white house, the fight for that minimum wage increase is just getting started. this morning, the white house says president biden is not giving up on his demand for $15 an hour. >> there's been lots of reports out there but i can assure you and your viewers there's no negotiations right now about lowering that threshold, that the president is involved in or anyone in the administration is involved in. he is committed to raising it to $15. he's going to work with members of congress to find the right path forward and find the right vehicle to do that. >> and new polling shows a steady approval rating for president biden's handling of the pandemic. 68% including 9% of democrats and 35% of republicans. the president will sign a new executive as we mark 56 years from the historic bloody sunday march. even half a century later, the fight for voting rights is just as crucial as ever. >> the legacy of the march in selma is that while nothing can stop free people from exercising their most sacred power as a citizen, there are those who will do anything they can to take that power away. >> let's go now to nbc's ali vitali who's joining me live from capitol hill. ali, a big welcome to you. what's next for this covid relief bill? what happens tuesday? >> reporter: you mentioned it. on tuesday it goes to the house before going to the white house, because this bill, while similar in a lot of the themes that it's had from the very beginning, from price tag to the goals that it hopes to accomplish with those direct stimulus checks as well as efforts to aid vaccine distribution, the bill is different than the one that the house initially passed a few weeks ago. the senate made some changes on things like jobless benefits. also that $15 minimum wage is no longer in this package. it was when the house passed it out before it went to the senate. so we're going to see the house vote on this one more time and that vote is happening on tuesday. while democrats and progressives are frustrated by some of the things that are no longer in this bill, democratic house leadership still feels that this is going to pass. listen to how congressman clyburn put it to you just a few hours ago. >> i think that the votes are there to pass what the senate has done. it doesn't mean that we're in complete agreement with everything they have done. certainly we wanted the $15 an hour raise in the minimum wage. we didn't get it. we're going to keep working for it. hopefully we can find a pathway forward in the not too distant future. >> reporter: we already have a sense of how this vote broke down. the margins are similarly thin here for democrats in the house but they only lost two democrats on this last vote who voted against the covid relief package. if those margins hold, it should pass the house. that's what democrats expect on bode sides of pennsylvania avenue or likely we wouldn't have seen president joe biden come out and say hope is on the way because the senate passed this latest version of the bill. we expect tuesday it will pass and then head to the white house. i think what's so striking, alex, as someone who has covered this from the very beginning, the days when joe biden unveiled this in wilmington before he was even president, is how little it has changed. yes, there have been those tweaks which kept all versions of democrats on board across the spectrum from moderate to progressive, but the price tag is the same bill that they passed and frankly a lot of the pillars that are in there as the important pieces, those are still in there as well. >> i agree, thank you so much. joining me now is ohio congressman tim ryan, chair of the house legislative branch appropriationing subcommittee, which oversees the capitol police. we'll get to specifics of that, my friend, but let's start with the covid relief package. after the changes made in the >> oh, yeah, no question. this is a home run for the american people. again, the old adage the two things you don't want to watch being made are laws and sausage. and so you finally -- you finally get to the end when the sausage is made and it's a great package for the american people. a lot of relief. the unemployment benefits, the $1,400 rent and utility assistance, help for state and local governments, vaccines, testing, all of that is in there. and that's the crux of it. that's the most important part. we're going to pass it on tuesday and the american people will know that the promise was made by the president and the democrats and we delivered on our commitments. >> yeah. the democrats did it, as you were outlining a lot of the details in the american rescue plan. give me a sense of how the zero republican senators who voted for this bill, actually did not vote for the bill, how are they going to sell this, not voting for the american relief plan to their constituents? >> you know, i think they're more worried about what job they're going to get when they get out of congress and they want to make sure that that republican network is in place and that they can pass muster with donald trump and others who will then hire them. i can't think of any other reason. these people who are retiring, this package is just a straightforward shot for the american people who are suffering, who could get evicted, who are damaging their credit, who can't make ends meet, who go to food banks to get their food for the first time in their lives and you completely turn your back on them? and this is where we are right now, though, alex. the republican amplification apparatus, they want to talk about dr. seuss and things like that and put catnip out there for the american people. meanwhile, a bill that has 70% to 75% approval by the american people, they don't even vote for. this is all about culture wars and everything else. the democrats are starting to step in. i think this is a great opportunity for us politically to hilt the reset button. they're watching us deliver. they're watching president biden lead the democratic party and deliver for the american people and doing the right thing. i think this could really be a turning point in how people view the two major parties in the country. >> let's take a look at governor mike d tew capitol building, in one in idaho as mike dewine is facing pressures to lift the mask mandate. this is happening in boise. at least 100 people making a statement against wearing masks. listen again to this video. oh, i guess we don't have any more sound on that one. but here's what we're seeing, congressman. parents teaching their children by example go ahead and burn your face masks, kids. do you have any thoughts on that? i have some. i can use some pretty choice words but i won't because i might not have a job. but i mean really? would you expect ohioans to do the same? >> i would hope not. i mean this is -- there's so much science behind the masks. you look at the flu rates this year, how they're almost nonexistent because of the masks were being worn. yeah, we're on lockdown and all the rest, but i think we need to start using this pandemic really as a learning opportunity knowing that we are learning about how to handle the flu, how to handle viruses, you know, in addition to telework, telemedicine, the need for broadband. we're learning a lot. if we approach this challenging time with that as leaders, we can learn, let's try to educate the american people. that's somebody who -- that's a cry for help and a lot of attention people want to get for themselves. that's fine. we're a big country and they're free to do what they want. but clearly the vast majority of the american people understand that it's time to be responsible and our leaders in place now are encouraging that responsibility. but you're always going to have these one-offs here. >> okay. let's get to the threats surrounding the capitol. you have the acting capitol police chief who's asked the dod to extending the national guard's presence because of the threats to lawmakers. do you want to see the national guard on duty at the capitol? if so, for how long? >> well, do i want to? no. should we? absolutely. we are not in a position to ask them to leave. we're not in a position to take the fence down. i know that's not necessarily a popular position, but the only position less popular is taking the fence down without the adequate protections in place, without the hardening of the capitol, without a quick response team, without beefing up capitol police and adding to their numbers. all of the recommendations that general honore has so smartly put forward with he and his team, i agree with almost everything he's recommending to us and we can't take down the fence and can't allow the national guard to leave until we have the security in place. we just had a big threat last week. if we had the fence down, we'd have been in much different posture than we were now. >> you know what is in that report that's going to be released tomorrow? perhaps you would because of your position there as the house legislative branch appropriations subcommittee and the you're the chair of that, so do you know what he's going to say? >> yes. and we're going to get a briefing on it tomorrow. >> a little more. >> some of the stuff i said, and it's been reported out a lot of the stuff. you know, beefing up the capitol police, really adding to the numbers, making sure we have some way to utilize a perimeter to quickly put up a fence if we need to where we don't have to go order a fence and then pay through the nose for it. a couple million bucks a week or whatever the number is because everybody needs a fence now around the country for state capitols as well, we'll have one already. those kind of things just being really, really smart, hardening the capitol. some of this stuff we have to continue to study too. i tell people all the time, we spent over $700 billion on our military to protect our interests around the world, to protect bases around the world. we need to spend a little bit of money here at home to make sure that the civilian side of our government can function properly without an insurgent mob shutting things down for hours. that's got to be in place. it's going t y think there is g to have to be some sort of permanent fencing around the people's house? ultimately that's going to be among the recommendations? >> i don't think it has to be permanent, no. i think it has to be readily accessible. and so if something starts to brew that our intelligence folks are telling us and that's another thing we need to beef up is our intelligence side of this, make sure we're coordinating better with the fbi, the park police, local law enforcement, all of that. that communication needs to be improved so we need better trained intelligence officers there. it's just got to be readily accessible. >> can i ask you if communication with the dod will be readily improved, because it won't be the trump department of defense, they won't have to worry so much with the optics of things? >> yeah, i think -- yes, that will get fixed. i think there's a quick answer as to empower during an emergency the d.c. national guard. so it's almost like a preapproval or an emergency situation where you don't have to go through that garbage that we went through on january 6 where you literally have the secretary of the army running down the hall to talk to the secretary of defense to get approval while the capitol is getting stormed. so that's going to get fixed as well. it's very comprehensive. i think the american people should be very proud of the work product that general honore is putting forward for us. >> i'm having to pick between ohioans right now. my cleveland based executive producers say we've got to go. sorry, i've got to go. you next time, i promise. thank you so much. well, surviving covid, prayers answered. a woman who pleaded for help on our air last year will join us again with an important survivor. join us again with an important survivor try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients if you're 55 and up, t-mobile has plans built just for you. get 2 unlimited lines for only $70. and now get netflix on us with your plan. and this rate is fixed, you'll pay exactly $70 total. this month and every month. plus, switch today and get a free smartphone for each line. the best value and award-winning customer service. only at t-mobile. it only takes a second for an everyday item to become dangerous. tide pods child-guard pack helps keep your laundry pacs in a safe place and your child safer. to close, twist until it clicks. tide pods child-guard packaging. four, five, turn, kick. we got chased by these wild coyotes! they were following her because she had beef jerky in her pocket. 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what are you still experiencing? >> well, you know, when i was in the hospital, they had to take certain measures to help me get better. they did something to me called proning, where they were flipping me around. they were having me on my belly and on my side a lot. as a result i sustained an injury to my leg. you know, it was no fault of theirs honestly. i'm just happy to be here. i came out of the hospital and went into rehab for about six weeks. i had an inner ear issue when i was there, i couldn't sit up or stand up. we resolved that in the rehabilitation hospital. but i've had this drop foot for a year now and it's slowed me down. in addition to that, my lungs are not fully recovered. so, you know, it's kind of a catch-22 because it's not like i'm going to go out and go for a run. but, you know, having the bad wheel doesn't help the situation. you know, so my exercise these days involves walking around the block as best i can. it takes me a while to get through a supermarket. that's about as far as i can travel from the house without amy checking up on me. i can do that now and i come home a little winded, but that's okay. >> yeah, listening to you, i appreciate your approach. it's really gratifying to hear you and i can tell how grateful you are for what you do have. amy, when we spoke last year, you were angry. you wished you had been better prepared for what happened. do you wish that you knew then what you know now? is there anything that you could have known that would have prevented this very scary situation? >> yeah, you know, going through this past year and all of the information that came out that our government, our former president knew back in last january, that this was a very serious virus, could kill not only the elderly but younger people really made me extremely angry. and i do feel that if something had been done a few months earlier, that brett and millions of others may not have been subjected to the seriousness of this virus. you know, we've lost over half a million people have died just this past couple of weeks we've lost two people in our community. one age 49, one in their 50s. healthy people. you know, it's still here and it's frustrating when i see things like mask mandates being made fun of, being dropped in places throughout the country. the least that we can do for each other is to wear a mask, protect ourselves, protect each other, because you just don't know who this is going to affect and how it's going to affect them. you know, our family will never be the same because of this and neither will millions of others. >> i have a question, alex, for those governors out there who are dropping mask mandates. what's the return on that investment? what's the value to them? there's only a downside as far as i can tell until the cdc comes out and says it's a good idea to do this. but they're walking around politicizing wearing a mask. you just showed a video of parents and their children throwing their masks in an open fire. i can't tell you, that is a slap in the face to not only us who happen to have been very, very lucky and survived but is a slap in the face to all of those families who have been affected the way we have or have lost a loved one. we've lost pillars of our community here in south jersey. i'm sure that's the case throughout the country. >> of course. i wish i had a logical, reasonable answer for you on that, i don't. but you go ahead and keep asking those questions. amy and brett, i'm so glad to see you guys. i'm really glad to see you guys, so thank you so much for talking with us. >> thank you so much, alex. new york governor andrew cuomo is addressing new allegations against him and answering calls for him to step down. we are going to hear from him in just a moment. we are going to hear from him in just a moment. it sure can. really? 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>> reporter: yeah, and he says he feels that he must stay in office because not only is there much to do, but he also says he was elected by the people of new york, not by politicians. he doesn't want this to become a political decision. and he feels that to resign amongst these allegations would be fundamentally undemocratic. he feels people should wait for the attorney general's investigation to conclude before any decisions are made. he also had to field questions about the accusers, two of the accusers most recent stories. these stories of these women coming out, five accusers total, have similarities. he had to answer some questions on that at a press briefing phone call today. listen to what he said in part. >> one of the papers looked at 150 employees who worked for me over 40 years. you see the same pattern. i say to people in the office, how are you doing, how's everything, are you going out, are you dating, that's my way of doing friendly banter. >> reporter: all right. cuomo has denied intentionally making anyone feel uncomfortable and he has emphatically denied inappropriately sexually touching anyone, any of the five accusers. in addition, the latest on letitia james' investigation, she is seeking outside counsel to independently investigate this probe. there is no timeline on what that would look like but likely would take months. nbc news has reached out to governor cuomo's office as well as the two most recent accusers, karen hinton and anna liss. when we get those updates we'll bring them to you. let's go now to washington. as the president's first major legislation passes through the senate, though with zero republican votes, the white house says president biden will still reach across the aisle. >> his preference is not to end the filibuster. he wants to work with republicans, to work with independents. he believes that we're stronger when we build a broad coalition of support. and look, i would say look at what we've been able to do in the first six weeks we've been in office with the fill bustner -- fill bustner place. >> joining me now is jeff mason and hayes brown. hayes, what do you make of that, the turbulence passing this relief bill. democrats holding a razor-thin margin in the senate. is the president being too optimistic? can bipartisanship actually happen or might getting rid of the filibuster be the only way to get anything done? >> i think it's a bit of both. i'm not sure he's being too optimistic, i think he's being patient. he's trying to wait it out a little bit to let the republicans hang themselves with their own rope a little bit here. i think that the bet from the white house among some senate democrats is that if it seems like republicans are going to be getting in the way of bills moving forward, that there's just no way to work with them to get to democratic priorities, that then killing off the filibuster has to happen and make sense. you see that happening around hr-1/s-1, the new voting rights act that the house passed last right. if that gets blocked up in the senate, you're going to see i feel like more and more democrats coming out in favor of getting rid of the filibuster. at which point you'll start to see the biden administration's position start to shift a little bit more. we saw that from joe manchin earlier today when he gay a little bit of wiggle room for reforming the filibuster. he's saying i don't want to get rid of it entirely yet but he seems more open than he has been to reforming it, to changing the way that it works which right now is completely broken and completely frozen washington. >> to that point, jeff, this bill was supposed to be the easiest of biden's legislative agenda to pass. yes, it's $1.9 trillion, it's huge, but this bill is overwhelmingly popular with the american people and yet you have the senators voting straight down party lines. what does that suggest for what's going to happen the next two years of this congress? >> well, it's a good question and we'll have to see by continuing to see what kind of legislation the white house proposes, but i don't think it bodes well for the goal of having a bipartisan support for the president's legislative agenda. you're right that this particular piece of legislation is popular in the united states with both republicans and democrats, and that's something that the white house has been citing for weeks now in response to that criticism that the legislation was not going to be passed by a bipartisan vote, which in fact is what we saw. but it's going to depend, alex, on what other priorities the president puts into legislation, whether it's infrastructure, which we're all expecting, climate change, et cetera, appeared what kind of support he can gather. >> give me a sense, jeff, 47 days into this presidency, how much is this going to help shape the biden legacy? >> a lot. i mean certainly the priorities that he outlined in this bill and that democrats outlined in this bill are the priorities of this administration. president biden and his team know that at least in the short term and likely in the long term he will be judged on how he deals with the coronavirus pandemic and how he deals with the economy. and that's exactly what this bill was about. it will be the cornerstone of his legacy. there's more, and we'll see more of that in the next legislative push. i mentioned climate change, that's certainly going to be one of them and infrastructure, race relations as well. all of those things that he outlined in his inaugural address. but the two big things are the pandemic and the economy. that's what this bill was focused on. >> the two most watched senators, joe manchin, kyrsten sinema. senator sinema made some headlines particularly on twitter after giving a thumbs down on the senate floor on the minimum wage hike. he was one of seven democrats and one independent who voted against that. what do you make of that move, of that gesture? how much of that does that play into sentiments as people watch her do that sort of thing? >> politically it wasn't the best of ideas, let's put it that way. i think that it sort of evoked the image of john mccain voting against revoking obamacare a few years back so she kind of was making that comparison it feels like. i just don't think it was the right move for this. on the one hand it was a procedural vote. there was not enough support, period, to get this amendment into the bill once the parliamentarian said, no, you cannot have a $15 minimum wage in this reconciliation bill. but to make it into this gesture, to draw attention to the fact that she is voting against it, i don't think that that was the politically savvy move that she might have thought it was beforehand. so her office has said to attack her for this is sexist. i don't think that's the case. i think that she's being called out for a policy. i think that more people are angry about the fact that she is against the minimum wage than the fact that she did that little curtsy almost with her thumbs down when she was casting her vote. the tweet that got dragged up from her in 2014 is about raising the minimum wage and how important it is to raise the minimum wage. it didn't say $15 minimum wage but she's week called out for hypocrisy, for her policy, less so than the fact that she is a woman and cast her vote in that way. >> let me ask you real quickly about your call on msnbc daily titled "why dr. seuss books are fox news' focus and not the covid stimulus bill." what is this about? why are so many on the right wing of media so laser focused on the dr. seuss story? >> because to them it's an easy offensive move. a little skirmish in the culture war that is part of their grand strategy in my opinion. on the one hand you have these offensive attacks against what they see as the liberal culture that makes their base angry and riles them up and gets them motivated. but back in washington like we said no republicans voted for this stimulus bill, gnaw in the house and not in the senate. so their hope is by blocking what the democrats want to do and getting the base riled over things over things that don't really make sense. the dr. seuss things don't really make sense. it was the company who decided to cut off the six racist -- titles with racist images but somehow got tied into certain states and governments saying by the way we're separating it into one giant democrats hate the cat in the hat story line. that distraction from what's happening in washington is what's going on. >> hayes and jeff, thank you both. sorry for a couple of audio hiccups with hayes. thank you so much, guys. time is approaching for oprah winfrey's interview with harry and meg han. word is the queen won't watch it. will it help or hurt harry in his relationship with his family? 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(announcer) and offer the best in entertainment like disney+, hulu, and espn+, with a galaxy s21+ 5g when you buy one. only from verizon. how do you feel about the palace hearing you speak your truth today? >> i don't know how they could expect that after all of this time we would still just be silent if there is an active role that the firm is playing in perpetuating falsehoods about us. and if that comes with risk of losing things, i mean i've -- there's a lot that's been lost already. >> prince harry and meghan markle are breaking tradition by speaking candidly about life in the royal palace. tonight cbs will air their historic two-hour interview with oprah winfrey where they discuss the hardships they faced while serving as active members of the british royal family and why they decided to leave it all behind and start a new life here in the u.s. joining me now is julie montague, a royal expert, author and host of an american aristocrat's guide to great estates, a terrific broadcast. welcome, julie. what are the expectations from brits on the interview tonight, which by the way they're not going to see until tomorrow night in prime time? >> that's right. so we're not seeing it until tomorrow night. but i think americans obviously see it as sort of like this finding freedom, whereas the british definitely over here see it as a betrayal to this institution1,000 ye i mean huge different takes on either side of the ocean, absolutely. >> why do you think it is here in the u.s. that meghan has found a more sympathetic community is this what's that about? i mean you are an american. you understand both sides of the pond. >> exactly. i am an american that married into the british aristocracy. we do have the title. i married into a family that is rich of history. the earl of sandwich. but i think that as an american we are definitely -- we may speak the same language as obviously they do over here in britain but it is two completely different cultures. americans, we are very -- we are much more emotional. we wear our heart on our sleeves. but also we are i would say definitely much more public about how we feel, our opinions. you marry into the british, and in particular british aristocracy or the r i mean, the queen is a perfect example of that. so they are very, very private. they are not as emotional as we are. there is this saying that when you meet an american you will know their life life story within 24 hours. that's very true. so there is this cultural difference between britain and america. >> yeah. you know, multiple reports, julie suggested harry has changed. some suggest meghan americanized harry. why would that be perceived negatively? >> i don't think meghan has americanized harry at all. he was always known as the rule breaker. i think that's why he was so loved over here. he was always the rule breaker. we also saw him aged 12, having to walk behind the casket of his mother. we all remember these images. and right now, he's in that zone, to protect his wife and his family from the british tabloid press, which was quite scathing about meghan over here as well. but now we will soon find out, you know, why he feels he needed to protect her from, as meghan called it, the firm itself. >> yeah. >> so there was a lot going on i think behind the scenes that we didn't know about. i mean, personally for me, i thought this interview was going to be mostly about the british tabloid press and how meghan in particular was treated, pretty badly over here, but now we can see in the clips that she will be talking about the royal family and i think we just hope that she maybe sticks to it broadly rather than individually. >> let me ask you about the lead up though. because meghan certainly was an independent, self-made, a divorcee when they married into the royal family. and its time honored traditions that you are ironing out. also some restraints come with that. do you think it might have been helpful for her to speak with the two previous girlfriends of harry because there are reports they broke up in part because these women weren't willing to live their lives under royal rules? i mean was meghan fully aware of what she was getting into. and the criticism of prince william, was he wrong to slow down the relationship to allow meghan to better examine royal life. >> first, going back to cressida and chelsea davey, they have both spoken out saying we basically broke off the relationship with prince harry because this is not the life we wanted to lead. i think meghan went into it thinking, great, i am going to give this a go. i am going to give up my career in acting. you know, she was on "suits" we all know that. i am going to give this a go, step down from this and take on this new role. i think she did really give it a go herself. but i think first of all the british tabloid press was way too much. we hear them speaking openly about how it affected their mental health. also, of course, prince william, he's coming from it from a different i think standpoint in the sense that he did marry kate eight years after they were dating. >> right. >> and we saw the relationship explode between his father, prince charles, and princess diiana on screen. >> yeah. >> on that famous bbc interview. and i think william was just being very, very careful. and i think it's more possibly brotherly love just saying, just be sure, just be sure. >> yeah. >> i don't think there was anything, you know, angry. >> like malice. >> towards those words. exact three. >> jewel montague we have to wrap it up here. i want to remind our viewers you are the host of american aristocrats guide the grace. smithsonian dropped it, but find a home because i want to tune into it. we have a family here at nbc universal. >> i am looking now. >> thank you, julie, good to see you. in some parts of the country a pandemic may seem like just a rumor. the young and the maskless, next. the young and the maskless, next ♪ ♪let's make lots of money♪ ♪you've got the brawn♪ ♪i've got the brains♪ ♪let's make lots of♪ ♪oohhh there's a lot of opportunities♪ with allstate, drivers who switched saved over $700. saving is easy when you're in good hands. allstate click or call to switch today. did you know that 70% of the soils allstate on your clothes are invisible? 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