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healthy cultures don t create people like that. somethingng wrong. that s it for us tonight. tune in every night at 8:00 to the show that s the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. the five s next from new york. we will see you tomorrow. good night. jesse: hello, everybody. i am jesse watters. along with kennedy, juan williams, greg gutfeld and dana perino. it is 9:00 in new york city and this is the five. this is a fox news weather alert. hurricane irma, the strongest hurricane ever recorded in the atlantic, currently wreaking havoc in the caribbean, with the storm forecasted to hit the united states mainland in the coming days. we are monitoring the storm and will have a full update later in the hour. now for our top story. yesterday, we told you about president trump s announcement that he s ending president obama s controversial daca program which helped flat out discrimination coming from this white house. jesse: this is racist, repealing oba ....
Exploring issues that affect leaders in the U.S. and around the globe. howard fineman, an nbc news analyst who spent his tuesday in judge ellis courtroom marveling at paul manafort s wardrobe. anyway, mimi, let me start with you. define obstruction of justice and is it something that has to be done in secret for it to be a crime? sure, chuck. i want to answer the second part first. it does not have to be done in secret. the definition of obstruction of justice, there are different prongs of it, depending on whether you re trying to interfere with witnesses or tamper with evidence. it s basically trying to impede an investigation corruptly, with corrupt intent, which simply could mean you re trying to stop an investigation because you don t like that that investigation is zeroing in on you or your close friends, so it can t be it has to be for a bad purpose and those would be bad purposes. and that s why this tweet right now looks so incriminating because what s happening ....
Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. jury to buy. it most certainly is and prosecutors will hammer one concept, follow the money. in these fraud trials, if you follow the money trail, that will lead you to the conclusion that you will finding when in the prosecution s mind is guilt. they ll see readily paul manafort made exponentially bigger amounts. he set up the business and the shell companies. so it s a very tough sell for the defense team to say it s the lower level, the subordinate who s in position to take orders from the man above that s the true mastermind. follow the money and that will lead you to the promised land for the prosecution. if i were rick gates, i would have taken a larger cut for myself, which he apparently did. joining us now, ken dilanian. ken, we were just speculating about this last night about when this might happen and it sounds like it s a little quicker than we might have thought and that we are going to h ....
Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. asking you questions about this criminal matter, you don t have to be sworn under oath. the second that you talk to them and that you lie to them and they can prove that you lied to them, in other words, that you knew what you were telling them was in fact a lie, then they can charge you with that. so that s something that s also been included here in this case. overall, a 30-page indictment, this is a pretty significant step forward in a criminal prosecution. tom winter, always on top of these developments with the fbi for us. thanks very much. to help me break down the charges, i m joined by liz holtzman, a long-time congresswoman who voted to impeach president nixon. i m also joined by barbara mcquade who s also a legal contributor for us an is outside the alexandria courthouse because she has been following very closely the paul manafort trial which we are going to get to here in a few minutes. so ....
fiance and her father. all told, the congressman and his family avoided over $768,000 in losses according to the document. and the big question we are asking today is, what does the arrest of congressman collins mean for the midterms? joining me nbc news political director and moderator of meet the press, chuck todd. nbc news investigations reporter tom winter, new york times chief metro political correspondent shane gold macher and former s.e.c. enforcement attorney seth waxman. tom, you have been following this. you were downtown a little bit earlier today. here is a statement from collins lawyer saying we will answer the charges filed in court and will mount a defense to clear his good name. it is notable the government does not allege that congressman collins traded a single chair of innate immunotherapeutics s stock. we are confident he will be Katy Tur hosts coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. but they seem to certainly come ....