and welcome to hannity. and tonight, we are broadcasting live just nortand we ating liv norh of ate in alpharetta, georgia, where in justta, wheret a moment, we'g to hear from the republican governor of florid a the democratic governor of the great state of california. what ie s the first ever red state blue state debate right here on the fox newswe wil channel? now, we will do our best to give equal time to each governor. our besequal to eachwe will lw seconds per question. we'll be a littlile as needed. let the debate breathe as needed along with a 32nd time for rebuttal. leh a 32ndt me start by introdug both florida governor ron desantis, governor gavin newsom. governors, thank you both for being here. really appreciate it. great to be on. i knowi know both of you person, i've known you both for a long time. i know you're very bustime. y. i also know this.t i know that both of yobou loveth individual states. i know you both have a deep and abiding love for our country as i do. bu are in the country . we've never been this divide in a long time. there are cleasme.r and, deep and profound differences in your approach to governance n . and before we begin, one quick note to all of you that arce e ew th watching home. okay. i'm now the longest running primetime cable host in, the history of cable news. i'm now and i feel blessed in mssedy eighth year at fox. f it's kind of widely known that i am a conservativeit. derg however, tonight i will be moderating this debate. i will noti will be part of the debate. our questions tonight will be coming from well-sourced fact centered perspectives. and you will see and hear mostl of tonight's questions will deal with the most fundamental issuesfu, the ones that impact the lives of the y, le ithat make this countr the people in florida, the people in california, and in mania, any ways every ste in the country. we'll discuss taxes, economy, immigration, crime, guns, homelessness, educatio cn right, abortion, gas prices. in other words, the things, that impact you every single day. in the end, you will get to decide the end, you o which govg philosophy you believe is better. the governors will explain their governing philosophy and again, facint basedquesti questions. well, let's get started. everybody ready? on d.all right. e is aphenom speak, ther phenomenon. it is playinenong out across the entire country. americans, they are leaving blue stateericans s, droves in e of red states. you can see numbers on the screen right from the year 2021 and 2022. stese particular are stark. in the state that you lead, in the casart you ree of, you, governor newsom, according to the us census, this is where the numbers come from. censuse numbin 2021, 2022, calis lost 750,000 residents to other states. 750,residentgovernor desantis, g that same two year period, you gained45 454,000 residents from other states. so governors, desantis, we hadat a coin toss. i was not part of it. i missed i t. r ne but apparently, governor newsom, you won the coin tos s and you chose to let governor desantis have the first question. desa the last word tonight. w so i begin with you. you know for governor newsom, i will ask, you know, what your responseask, yous this as well. what do you it's a simple question. it isimple qhow do you explain e phenomenon? governor, what's goingrnor, whaa >> when i was in the navy,s i got orders to go to a naval amphibious base in southernnadoi california. i was a lifelong floridian, but n i went there and i was like, man, this is one of the most beautiful places on earth. st beautand think california has more natural advantages than any state in the countrymo advat you almost have to try to mess california up. yeah that's what gavin newsom has done since he's been governor. governohe's the first governorr lose population. >> they actually at one point ran out of you halls in the state of california because soe many people were leaving. of course, he's imposed restrictions on hiimionss people while exempting himself from those restrictions and going to the french laundry while his people were suffering. he led people the country in schoolbloi closures, locking kids out of school whilngschool we he han kids in private school in person. now he's very good at spinning these these tales. s. slicktell a bng and slippery hills. >> he'll tell a blizzard of lies to be able to tris y maskthe real the failures. but the reality is they have failedity isy have, because of t ideology and the choice for america is this what biden and harris and newsom want to do is take the california do model and do that nationally. in florida, wethat showednciple that conservative principles work. this country must freedom over failure. >> governor newsom,reacti your reaction? >> well, it's good to be with you, shawn. to b youe in a tie eon>> gover as well. good to be with you. ron anad i dressed up for the occasion, governor. i no, i'm impressed. and i'm gratefule . look, it's an important occasion and this is important conversation, and ion.d i thinky it's important the folks watching, they're probably wondering what are we actually doing w, whactually he? and i want to answer that very direct. i will tel. u why i'm here i'm here to tell the truth the t about the biden-harrisru record and also compare and contrast ron desantis, his record and thed republican party's record as a point of contrast that is ofdifferent as daylight and darkness. you want to bring us back to a.- pre 1960s world america in reverse. t you want to roll back hard earned national rights on votink hard nationag rights,l rights and lgbtq rights, on women's rights, notrights jut access to abortion, but also access to contraceptioion, butn you want to weaponize grievance, you are focusinonizg on false separateness. >> you in particular, ron,ss. are on a banning binge, a cultural purge, intimidating and humiliating people you disagree with yo yu and trump mk are really trying to light democracy on fire. found so, sean, there are profound differences tonight. and i look forwardfference engan but there's one thing in closing that we have thineof in common is neither of us will be the nominee for our partwiy in 2024. >> governor. great opening statement, but it did not address the issue. can you explain migration outifi of california and going to remain, you mean hold it. >> you mean the last two years more floridians are going to california than californians going to florida? chect up on a platform, by the way, that's going to be fun to fact check. so we'll just start right there. california has peers.fornia california d dominates sizable 21 state populations combined, the fifth largest economy in the world. we dominate, number one, manufacturin g state. we dominate in two way tradech d in research and development, nt, access to innovation, more scientists, more researchers, more engineers oearchers re, more laureates in the state of california than any other statatee in. the nation, the finest system of higher education. it's the birthplacighee of life science and biotech and nanotechnology. we dominate in green tech, we dominate in high tech, we dominate in artificial intelligence. soificia with respect, i think it's an interesting campaign strategy for ron desanti ints te bashing the state of 40 million americans when california's simply has no peers. >> and that's a pretty slickf no way of not answering your question. he went on a binge of putting out a lot of left wingtanswerhe platitudes. here's what i would say. i talked to a lot of the people that have moved froitudem to florida, and we never used to get people from california to florida or really anywhere on these because why would you leave california? >> it's got the best weatheres.h great natural place. excuse me, our glasto. but one of the things that i atidid, i had a gentleman, a couple of guys i'm not elected to. >> i'm going to let the debate breathe. but it's his turn. let's take let's turns. so i was talking to a fella. who had made the move from californiais: i wa to florida ae was telling me that florida is much better goveroridn saferr better budget, lower taxes, all this stuff. and he's really happy with the quality of life. and then he paused and he said, you know, by the way, i'm gavin newsom's father in law. la in-lawsount gavin's as some of the people that have fled california and come to the state of florida. and why are we why are we getting people to come? we to comewe have a 50 year low. and the crime rate you don't see in the last ten years, we've had a 45% decline in homelessness california, has had a 45% increase in homelessness. we back the blue, i was walkingofn the streets of san francisco a couple of months ago and i i had some of the cops in san francisco do a beeline to come over to me, and i didn't know what they were going to say. and we want to thank you forsayf standing for law enforcement because we don't get that support in the state of californiorbecause eta. so people understand the quality of life matters. they understand that florida'slm it right. and i can tell you the numbers speak for themselves. speae goinge moe peopl to this state than leaving. gavin can't say the opposite. more are leaving california than are moving in north. let me let me bring up coming to california the other way, l.a. last two years. >> let's talk about crime. when we talk the governor. how old? i think the governor. wait a minute. i think hold on a second. you said a lot of things>> that are factually untrue, includin goverid ag that year c, which is on law enforcement, 28 should not be using. >> you have ye t to address t the issue. i asked you twice. you don't want to answer. but the issue of why the migratioe issun of red statm sorry, out of blue states, we just established more floridians comingping spe to california in the last year than the overall had a net loss. it's a third of it. it's a fact. it's not a effect. it is. moving on. let's go. your states have vastly differen t income tax rates.what i okay. so it is what it is.t these are the facts. s. california's highest rate for top earners,lifornia 13% married couple, for example, in california, earning median income of 84,000. 00, theythey have a 6% income tt in the state of california, florida's incomee rate is 0% across all salaries, but it goes s income taxes.ty tax property taxes are loweres in california, but everything else is higher. let's take a look at the numbers. these are the fact a look t these s. the average property tax in california, 8.75%. floridrniaa .91 percent.sales sales tax. californiata, 7.25%. florida 6%. s tafox, california, $0.77x a gallon. that i s a low estimate. it's up to a dollar when you include mandatory. it is and in florida, it's $0.35. corporate income tax. california5 cents., 8.84%. florida, 5.5%. governor newsom, is your question. let me ask you, obviously, obviouslyou support a different philosophy, which is higher taxes. yeics. this i >> well, no, no,s no. hold on. we have a tax question. this is this is a veryoach different a different approach. and i agree with you completely . he has one of the mostmo regressive tax rates in the united states. america's numberstregresthe , most regressive state in america. and what that means is simply this who does he tax? he taxes low income workers more than we tax millionairesna and billionairesires a in the se of california. the question is a simple one. who, ron are you for? cali a factual lieu that the state of california's high tax has the highest tax rate. but fo hr whom?founda and it's a foundational and fundamental difference. you look at statestifundamen li, overwhelming majority of texans pay more tax texan in taxes than the state of california. so, again, it's you're for and i think those values matter and i appreciate you bringing uppreciate the issue of taxes. how many people leave florida t to go to california because they pay less taxes. i've not seen that people goinga to from florida to new york because they pay less taxes. of course not. ofnot.e to florida because they pay lower taxes. we don't even have an income tas.x. >> and yet california has a higher sales tax than we do. o and that's one of the thingshe that we do. but here's the thing, and i'll give i'lre'shing.e gel give gav. he did at least admit in his first answer, he's joined at the j t hip with biden andar harris. he thinks biden and harris have done a great job. he thinkhave greats the economy is working because of their policies for americans anduse ot they are not. and so what california represents is the biden-harris on steroids. they would lov would le nothingo more than to get four more years to be able to take the california model nationallry that will be disastrous for working people. >> and oh, let's talk about working people. >> gov can talthey more in yourn the state of california. charges for billionaires you - and millionaires. and it's just a value proposition. it's a fact. >> goveris: it i make you have six or seven year or a gallon gas. >> how do they how do they afford that? >> these are folks that are blue collar people talking about a persone areue-colla evy an electric vehicle. how are they going to be able as iford electric vehicle you're working class people? and i think the thing about california, they have one of the highest inequality rates because, yeah, they've got silicon valley has o, they't a lot of very wealthy people. they've got a lot of people that arethey on assistance, t as but they've hollowed out their middle class. that's who's have ho been california. they've been living in other places. they go to arizonaher they go to nevada, and then you go to all these times. let me just tell you, i think hollowing this i d fo have a follow up on california. >> i'm happy that yoquesu contio to talk. let's talk a little bit about biodynamics, because i'm happy to take that olet's tw as well. >> and i think it's a fair point of it. that's i appreciat governontis:e you acknowledged 14 million >>ns, ten times more thath the last three republican presidents because he had 115er because and because their jobs th being 9%. e yo are you kidding? 3.9% unemployment. as it continues to talk over me, i'll talk to the thas itover me,e. 3.9% unemployment, the lowest black unemployment in americane history, the lowest unemployment for in spanish in american history, the lowest unemployment. west une. th women in 70 years, the lowestym black poverty rates in historyem . that's this administration's agenda. and by the waytration's , as you smile and smirk over there. you should know this. the american t people.bideno here's a guy who celebrated biodynamics just this week celebratinmi just thg, $28 milln that came into your state your staience, chips and science act, one of the most significant economic plans since, fdr. >> i'm proud of the workwo biden and harris have done woulrk d. spond? you like to respond. and i do have a follow up.foll ow-uthe 6% rate on people, families, a couple in california, they pay 6%y income tax on 84,000 low wage workers in the state of florida pay more than about thebout - governor 30. but here let me as- k and may i ask you to what let me ask you question to me. >> i do cover first, ron, about my answer and then i'll answer your question. >> okay. california has lower taxes more lower than 32 states for working families in the middle class, significantly states f lower in places like texas, you support a 6% income tax for a couple of immigrants for the rest of taxes that advantaged billionaires and millionaires over working familie>> govses. in working poor people in his state pay more taxes in thae low end than we tax people all higher. that's paying $7 gallon gas help working people. that doesn't help working people at all. how does paying anho 8% sales tp help working people? thgt doesn't help workineo at all. >> they have the highest taxes in the natioe n. le t people flee to be able to save money to get out of californiao . and you have working class people that moved to these other states. sth further. is thucthr but here's the thing. they want to take thise biodynamics and want to double down on this for the next four years. how many people able to afford groceries now compared to what you werein doing three or four years ago? >> i talked to people, you know, i talked to a womaedna who had had a car fullll of groceries going in, of and they'rgre it up and it gotee to be so expensive. >> she has to take a lot she h the stuff out that didn't usedle to be the case. people used to be able is to tok hard and get ahead. >> that is not true under joe biden. and you know u and yo what, sean, one more final thing. >> california's unemploymentfiny rate is 60% higher than florida's unemployment rate ise unemployment rate is 2.8%. that was off my next question, governor, because it's a command and control economy, they have a politica>> gover: ia that they're pursuing. >> let me ask that question, people. thatn. the questio >> jobs.nor ne i think it's important. you know what that affects. that's the way that affects everybodwsy in administration. >> the last three years it's been joe biden paying here tonight, 3.9%. i thought this was state versuse state. >> but it's about the united states of america. i thought this guy was running for president of the unite>> go. >> you are running. you just wanted you're running for office. won'mit it. itu just won'tdesans he will not admit it. >> but i know, guys, gentlemen, rmen.g on,e onnin all right? we can't talk. we can't talk. i'm going to move on to the next question. the unemployment rattieon. th is just right now 2.8%, as you stated. and california. t in and you ranked second worst cout in the countryry at 4.8% enjoyes hold on. this question goes to governor disanto, and then you'll have a chance to respond, governor desantis. >> well, right. i mean respond. , they tax too much,g to they regulate too much. they have a political agenda. o muit's not a good climate fora business. they've lost a lot of companies, a lot of companies lot ofies. companid to texas. we have had some to florida, but they've lost a lot of companiesthey h to texas becj they're not doing a good job looking out for folks and not creatingoblks and a good busins environment. and, you know, when i have people that come to florid comet they tell me, you know, you guys actually want us to succeeuay wantd in florida.likew and they feel like whenhe they're in california, they don't want businessifornia, succeed. what did all that say in the tampa bay rays? well, actually, yeah, i thinki n that's an interesting point with disney, becauseks an int iy open during covid and we made them a fortune. we savedthem a a lot of jobs. you had disney closed inexplicably for a year. you a you were not following science. you were a locked downre governor. you did a lot of damage to your people. you had more locked out lon of school for a longer period of time in california thanger pi anywhere in the country. it was the working class kids. it was the middle income kids. >> his kids were in private school. they were in class. and the know you love it. union >> let me let me. tell me the teachers union you're going to ibys by the teachers union. you will never cross. the teachers use a lot of locke stock and they ask about covid. >> let's talk about your record on covide d you passed an cover emergency declaration before the state of californirta. you close down your beaches, your bars, your restaurants. tot you hadu larat quarantines, quarantines, yet stats all over the state of florida. by the way, i didn't saylo that donalrida.d trump you out on this day. right. you did that. heu followed sciencethat you followed factually wrong. he followed science. he followe.owd support. >> you were why nobody want to leave. hold on. tas. ere promoting vaccine >> we were open. you were promoting vaccines. you even wore a mask in september. u were c >> you were closed. if it's if it's okay with you, we'll do that. i you why don't we do this in a way where we both can have an opportunity so long. ouu brough t that close. gover you let it breathe. septembenor 2020.l he >> he did all of that until he decided to fall prey to theht fringe of his party. >>an and as a consequence of that, ron, tens of thousands of people lost lives. >> the equivalent if i had to your policies, the the equivalent of ten 9/11, tens of thousands of people their lives. >> and for what, ron? those are more lies. in fact, the lancenor desat did a study. florida had a lower standardized covide ha rate than california did. that's alarming. let mea mor let me add one more thing. one more thing. the other thing we hadthe otrnia the other thing, california had your healthcare when you had higher mortality had. >> all right, gentlemen, gentlemen, let me talk about that real quick. >> honestly, the hold on a second is others i want to askuo if iboth if slow down, i want everyone to be heard. if i can ask you, i really can t us to breathe. i want this debate to breathe. towant it to organically develop. d to do that, i need both your cooperation. i don't want to be bot a home monitor. it's not my style. all right. you mentioned covid. t myme go to covid and i plano to bring this up later.a very but you both took veryt different approaches as it comes to covidapproa. d th governor newsom, you issued the nation's first stay at home ordee omr on march 19th of 2020. governor desantis, you took a lot of heat for reopening schools. you open schools in florida in august 2020.he dat all right. so here's the data, which i think is important. thisa is where the facts comeyor in. your state's death rates were almost identical, just factually untrue. >> all true. .newsom: okay. and by the way, bothr st your states with such different approaches, which is pretty fascinating, were both lower, significan bt only lower thane b the national average. these numbers come straight from the cdcer. so, governor newsom, how do you how do you explain that facts per capita death rates, what that in the state of florida were 29%, 29% per capita, higher, 20 9%, ten not what the state they write their people, tens of thousands of peopldesantis e unnecessarily about. you put the graphic up there, don't lie about it necessarilyae to lie about it becauseed your policy is you're lying about about it. noe abouw. >> not we're a lockdown guy. you lie one at a time. gavin newsom, finish your thought, his bars and restaurant, that's just a fact. >> he's running away fronewsom:s m this record. >> he's running away from the fact tens of thousands of people diedtens o. >> sara lee, the cdc saved the 29% higher death rate, thes the state of florida versus the state of californitaa. forna >> response. governor, you at this the stats, that's a very clear one. and it's on a per capita adjusted basis. california and florida basically the same. now, why is that important? because gavin newsom did huge damag be huge to peoplea in california. >> he ruined livelihoods. we reope cal ruinen the state vy quickly. >> we saved thousands of job sof job we saved hundreds of thousands of jobs, thousands of businesses. >> we has. ousands of busind our kids in s. he had the kids locked out of school because of the teachers union. s havi that is having a generational impact. californiangimpact , one of the lowestuntry literacy rates in the country and the most recent nape exam, florida came in number three for fourth grade reading. >> california wafourths far,. far behind. >> so you should apologize for not gettinsonog your kids t in school. why didn't you get the kidss in in schoothe sul in the summer o0 >>ke we did only pass it to the teacher person do the job.r de you shouldsant only quitt a only person. >> one apologetic answer is rutn the desantis for the tens of thousands of lives that died unnecessarrons ofy. surly because you played like played to the fringe of his party. we got>> to take a break and i'l finish your thought. no. and when it comes to thea brea of schools, you better be careful. you had more learning loss d more than the national average in the state of california. we out. it's a fac the s t more learning lossyour your economy contracted more inn 2020 break spanish slower than california in 2021 more to come on this topic more to come on this on this debate.>> gov another i know it started offerm next segment i guessen it's been rather dull at the start but r anyway we'veather got a lot tot to coming up. many important topics that we're going to be talking t about, including one issue where might we might finabout id some agreement actually, as we continue the blue state red state debate . we we are live. a we are in alpharetta, georgia. thank you for being withrethank. the time is now. okay. here we go. we're giving fox nation's once a year sale just in time for the holidays. get lowest price of the year to start streaming our biggest shows. i'm rob lowe. and this is liberty or death. boston tea party with the biggest stars as perfect. just perfect. and your favorite fox personalities. start streaming nation today for just 1999, a year our lowest price of the for a limited time only. sign up today do you have too much body fat. >> it tends to accumulate your stomach, hips and thighs. are you struggling to lose weight? 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>> i think they're being lied to. the biden administrationernor nt a comprehensive plan, day one when he gothe t sworn intopn office three years ago and the republican party didn't touch it. toit.they moved on it.will b they play politics with us. and i'll be honest with you,e i there's probably one person i wouldn't listen to on this topic more than the gu n't listy that i'm standing next to ron desantis. he is absolutely he lack ts credibility on the issue of immigration. hemigratios, n congres he supported amnesty when he was in congress. you supportes ind john boehner'i bill to fact when you were in congress, you supportedll.noa kill bombers. you supported obama's efforts to advance comprehensive reform. the last guy you want to talk on the issue of immigration, your immigration policy can best be described as ae of governor from the state of florida going flori into anof state, the state of texas, lying to migrants, promisingem them jobs and housing, sending them to an island martha's vineyard, and then send him to a parking lotsendin in calif. . i met with those migrants that youi lied to under false pretense. >> that kind of gamesmanshipthan ship using human beings as pawns, i think, is just qualified. so, again, a guy who stands here who's been ouy who sttage,s the republican debate stage saying, well, he's going to be th and he's going to shootay people backpacks, and that he has a strategy to potentially even invade. our second largest trading partner, mexic seco, that hasa o a record of supporting amnestytm and, supporting reforms under the obama administration is the last guys we standing on stage talking about the issue of immigration reform tonight. well, i'll tell you what, it's deja vu all over again >> g. that's try of lies this is a guy that says the biden administration is not ad is noc about theto go border. they go to the white house briefing room every day. toteingthey the border secure. they are lying to you. we know that that's not true. gavin newsom is lying to you when supportedomehow these things, which i didn't do. he's also lying to you he isolve about what it's going to take to solve this problem. california is a sanctuar probley state. they thumbed their nose at federal immigration law and this federal real consequences. there was an illegal alien,s an herbert nixon flores, who was in l.a. in custody, was. a repeat criminal. ice wanted to take him into ico e they woulde be able to deport him. l.a. refuses to work with,eleasg and so they wouldn't turn him over. >> they end up releasing him on the street. street.he ends up murdering thee of a three-year-old little girl. that those policies are deadly. they do not work.wo and i will telull you this. 's the martha's vineyard transport, martha's vineyard said it was a sanctuarort, vined jurisdiction. kind of reminds me about gavin newsom when he restricted californians, then he went to the french laundry. >> these liberal elitet to theso they like to impose burdens on you. they don't want to have to face the consequence of their. actions. so we've got a lot of elites weo want open borders, who everybody else about it. and the minute they have to deal with any of the thatwith any, oh, man, all hell breaks loose. >> how about a question of what are we moving on, roland? i mean, we'd be much better on the same topic or the case on the on the same topic. this is important is it's a very important question. whilquice migrants i know want r to come to america for a better life for themselves, mpathi their family find the american dream. i totally sympathize with themze many good people fleeing very bad situations abroad, t othe but others are abusing the asylum processrs and in the process in search of where they're coming from. we're not learning that many are coming frothat manm some ofa geopolitical foes, countriesin with little to no vetting or people that are coming in. they're not being vetted. look at thesng intothey are inv. between october 20, 21, october 2023, border agents 6386 nationals from 3153 from egypt, 659 from iran. the number one state sponsor of terror. 538 from syria. 12,605 from russia.. and a whopping 26,113 from china. now, my question, the next question goes to you, governor newso, m. the o what are the odds that biden's open borders allowed terrorists and terror cells unvetted thispn country? is that a clear and present danger to evero every american? the odds are 100%. of course, our enemies are going take advantage of this. he opened the border. he's not a vet. takehe's violating his oath of office to take care that the laws are faithfully executed. he's knowingly having 8 million come in. and yes, there's criminal aliensonlying 8 mi. >> there are terrorists. there's a lot of fence and all that. we've had tens of thousands of fentanyl deaths. i've had the i've me -t lot of angel parents who have lost kids to fentanyl overdose. the problem is you have a college kid that may takhavee some not knowing that there's fentanyl in it and then fent fatal. that can they're poisoning our people. and joe biden is sitting on his hands. he refuses to take care of the bordertake car. o hold he refuses to hold the drug cartels accountable. carte vision of biden. harris knew some open borders americans suffer and americans continue. to die because of fentanyl overdose. there will be, unfortunately, a terrorist attackyl at some our point that will be able to trace back to our southern cities just a bit, by the way.rk do you see that risk, governor newsom? hold, governor, i mean, do you see the risk do yha? >> joe biden put out not only ap comprehensive plan, he consistently putsrehensan. u. >> hold on, but there is a risk. i'm an american. i'm going to answer your question. i support border security. i think the asylum system is brokeeople? governor newsomt n. i believe that we i understand that i'm the one i'm the only guy here. it's border state governor. you're trolling folks and trying to find migrants to plavernor. folksy political try to get some news and attention so you can outrun trump. and by way, how's that going? for you, ron? you're down 41 points in your own home state on the issuegrato of immigration. joe biden pun, t a $14 billion immigration package up in front of congress, 2300 border agents, as well as customs officials, 1000 new law enforcement officers to deal with a federal issue. and the way that's a major issue in your state, 41% highera overdose rates than the state of california. and here'steth i haven't heard t a peep from ron desantis. they want to demagoguea peep ths issue. you want to play politics with issues. you don't want to solve this issue. whdon't wa issue.y don't you lead your pary and support that? >> 14. hold on. i have a follow up. newsom, m, i appreciate your answer. you have mentioned comprehensive immigration reformyou have many times since that happened under joe biden. >> i don't think it's going to happen. a detailed plaink itn. republicans in congress refuse to act on it. let me finish. >> my congress to work with westminister. peth all of these millions and millions of people coming into this country, unvetted question was and remains, is this a clear and presen co punger from the countries i put up on the screen? is that t clear and presentyou danger to america? and what do you do in the end? that'sdoe why the president ofe united states put a $14 billion package in front of congress they can act on todae iny? n: wa what would they haven't done anything that packages this congress? what do you really want? a single in support of globalization. i support sdo youupport at thee package president has put forward. that includes 2300 borderudes agents and customs officers, by the way, also 230 includes $o million in new technology for border security. e technodeyou hear nothing fromr ron desantis. you hear nothing. shon, respectfully nothing, your nothing from the republican party. they play politics party. almost'm alm that president put forward the plan up to address. >> doesn't worryose.. >> let me ask the question another way. does it worry you that. is i our geopolitical foes and the number one state sponsor of terrork r, china, russia,a, the afghanistan, syria, that they're at our southern border tha. u at you're a border state governor. does that does that concern you at all this? >> why? i've put the answer's yes. why else would i national guard, why would i just increase it by 50% on the largest poronal largestte western hemisphere in my state? i mean, this guy hassphere. no p there's no i mean, the fact that you supported amnesty, am you supported obama'sa reforms. those are fact s. forms. >> just a fact.r the fact that your greatestdesa contributionnt to this debate is. well, and here's the thing i don't mind so inhumane. i don't mind him lying to me. i don't mind gavin lying to me. but i do mind him lying to you. he is sitting there sayingsaying that joe biden is willin tgbodyo to solve this problem. is there anybody out there that actually believesut supposeden crea i have created this sort of he's willing to lie to yo. u about that. you know, he's lying to you about all these other facts and figureu know he s about, ali other stuff. he's just throwing stuff out to see what sticks against the wall. thisng so see a slick, slipperyy politician who state is failing . >> people are leaving his state and he's trying to run interference for his failureg .: to take our question, you got to take our side. not goondbreak.t to take our sed break. we're going to when we come back, we have a lot more ground to covere wi. quick break. we have a lot of ground to cover. more with governor have a s dess and 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life of its ow n, but let each other breathe. i don't want to be the hallhe monito.i dor. please don't turn me into that. anyway, let's let's look at thea issue of. crime. fbi numbers. violent crime. nationallyers, vio for each of s states. keep in mind, this statistic shows what is the combin e rate of homicide,, robbery, aggravated assault. the year 2022 on the national levedational l, the rate was 387 offenses per 100,000 people.uc in california, meanwhile, the rate was much higher, 499.5. offenses per 100,000. in florida, lower. 258.9 offenses per 100,000. governor newsom, let me you. start with you. your numbers are way higher ther than the national average. how do you explain that whenwh safety and securiteny i wouldfo argue is a prerequisite for the pursuit of happiness? >> well, i couldn't agree with more. we're near 50 year lows, down 55%. violent crimes in the stat thee california from the 1990s. and i want to compare and contrasti wantrast that wit. the issue in florida that you didn't mention, and that's the murder ratot menti is the eh and let's broaden it more broadly. the issue is seven out of ten numbers were part of the murder >>, seven of the top ten murder rates in the united states of america, red states. r ratehe has a 66% higher gun d rateth than the state of california has a higher murder rate. go to places lik pe go to place. like orlando. go to places like tampa. go tthe murder rates off the chs compared compared to cities liketo san francisco. and you know what?t? even more egregiously, sean, and i thin reck is important. the american people deserve an answer from you, ron. you are one of the worst mass shootings in american history. parkland 17 kids were gunned17 down. lives lost. were gund 17 others lives torn . >> you had a young by the name of jamie guttenberg, whose father pleadedie you to doow wh something about it. and you know what you did? they did the exact opposite. mad you made it easier for felons to get guns without checks, without any training. these people pleadedks, with wie parents and the families to get tough on gun safety. and agai gunn, you made it easio for felons. he said of you, ron and i agrens e them. after after you signed that concealed carry bill, a - which increases the likelihood, brad guttenberg said of more jamie's their lives and more parkland. he called you weak, pathetic and small. so with respect, i appreciate you're talking to police aliforni officers in the state of california. you may want to spend a little bit more time, noend mt on the ohio trail and other places across this country may othe d a little more time back in your home state and address the murder and gunsn in your own back up. >> shis is this is the slick politician. put up the rates. he has 500, 400,000. florida is 250. so that's almost twice as much . he's trying to spin that to say california is doing good. people areo spenlifornia califoa in droves, largely because public safety has collapsed. they have i meanhas co you go wn californians come to florida, one of the things they'll say it's almost like an out of bod y experience. they can go to the store, get toothpaste off the shelf, inpaste ofr and leave, because a lot of these places in california, everything's under lock and key calif because they've basically legalized retail theft. they have chosen californiae ine to put the interests of the criminals over, public safety. t >> they treat they're easier on offenders. they're easier on all these crimes that are leading to a collapse in the quality of life. and if you just walk around san franciscou just o, you wille and i think it's interesting. frann newsom wass , mayor of san francisco. so he took the san francisco cisco. framodel, turn that into a template for california's collapse. now, the leffornia'st wants to a the california model and use that as a template for america's collapse. >> well, we cannot let our.ollo- no, no, i got to follow.up you brought up anvil forvernor competitor. >> cisco is 126% higher.-- governor, let me bring up north. it is it's 84% in dovetails eff. it's 75% higher. >> what let me also sayg abou what are you talking about when it's happening? i know you're like china, by the way. those are not?t. i know how you like to lie. you're uncomfortably put. you put the statistics up there. >> these are all your your crime is highe: he jusr doing i. >> we know your crime rate, gentlemen. we know. gentlemen. what are you doing to move. >> sean:emen, wet th on gun murder rate in your state? let the audience let the audience lootk the numbers, the fbi numbers, and decide. according to the gun control group everytown for gun safetycn . california has the most, as you support i know, governor, restrictive gun laws in the la ss. state florida has the 19th mosts th restrictive. th yet if you look at then ea year 2019 when each of you took office, california has of yo had 21 mass shootings. florida has had nine.ng to now that is according to a usaa today ap northeastern university database data.e is keep in mind, a mass killing is defined as the intentional killing of four or more victimne ,excluding the deaths of unborn children and the offenders by any means within a 24 hour period of time. i governor desantis, you get this. >> what california wants to do ,they want to make it harder for law abiding citizens to defend themselves. e crimin then they go easy on the criminals who are perpetrating the crime . men they don't stand up for the men and women of law enforcement. that's why a lot of people enfo left the state, because they don't get the support from the communities that they needgr . and, you know, gavin told another lie. he said, we made it easier d we felons to do. felons are not allowedo dofelo to possess firearmns as. >> federal law. that's been long background. >> g is an absolute lie that he's saying, like the background that has nothing tho with buying or purchasing a weapons. so that's just the lie. thatg up.ie that's comin or purc but here's the thing. people are leaving california in droves because he has failed to stand up for public safety. they are on an ideological joyride to let people out of priso ideologn early to go em on them. inck, your buddy gavin's buddy. ,los angeles gascon, he doesn't even prosecute when,n you. when i was in southern california for the reagan debate th, a lot of the women tell me they have to take off all their jewelry just to be abler je to go shopping, becausg otherwise they're going to get mugged. that is the reality that peoplee are facing in california. gavin can trary to lipstick on that pig. but the fact of the matter is he has failedn try people of california. governor newsom, i love this guy talking about backing the blue. when you dangledt for january , insurrectionist, 85 of them that were literally were charge d with attacking law enforcement. you talk a big game about backinw g the blue. with all due respect to the crime rate, again, he's not answering the fact nerin that hi a higher murder rate than the state of california. 66% higher gun death rate thanhh the state of california. and i can easily answer this point. gun safety saves lives. i don't think it.. i know it. and the data bears that out in the state of california. california probably does leadese in terms of common sense gun safety, common sensedelete gun y saves lives. you had the chance to do something meaningful. you had a chance d the cho do do something on behalf of those parkland families. you did the exac. t opposite. you moved in the exact opposite direction. with all due respect, look your own backyard. ron johnson in your backyard, on this issue will do that because we have some ofthal the we had two radical left, soros district attorneys like your buddy gascos tampe yon in l.a., one in tampa, one in orlando. they were endangering the public and i remove themst. from their posts. gavin newsom is not lifted a fingergavilifted rein in gasc. that that city has that counties collapse. he's not enforcing the lawy. aggressively. >> and here's the thing, americans, this is what's whatg. nthis i >> that's just a matter of time in philadelphia for 15 seconds. >> we've got to go break. come on. i mean, you're running for president, t united.wsom: yo you're talking down the great state of california, talking unit one of the great los american cities, los angeles. that's insulting. and you're doingangelethat i ben you're trying to obfuscate the facts that you have a higher murdedicate tr rate ina state of florida, in the state of california. we've got to tackle this crimekk we've had in 50 years. wil >> well, we'll have more with governor desantis. governor gavin newsom on the other side as we continue the great state debate. ntinued e greaatblue versus red. there's hardly any differences. a lot of ground to cover. thanrences.k you for being with. we are in beautiful alpharetta, georgia. thank you for joining georhannity" saturday. the big 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radio on sirius xm america is. >> listening. >> welcome back to hannity, the great red state blue state debate. we continue with governor ron desantis of florid a, a, g governor gavin newsom of the state of california. gentlemen, let's turn newsomn te issue of parental rights. now, in march of last't year,noi governor desantis, as you know, you signed the parental rightsrl in bill. bil and let me read from it.l it sayoms classroom instruction by school personnel or third part or gender identity may not occur in kindergartenn through grade three or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students. and accordinentallg with state standards, critics have called the bill, quote, homophobic. this is ththe one they branded the don't say bill. i you governor desantis in especially the lower. should schools and maybe all great should schoolson't sa. be focusing on reading writing math science history computers and maybe leaving valuest ha considering parents might have different values and teachers at schoove diffel. to the parents., to religious institution s? schoo >> or is it the role of the school? what is the role of thl?e role?a >> the schools to educate kids, not indoctrinate kids? it's notntchools is to impose o it's to do the basics. and what we'vecs and w said in a is it's inappropriate to tell a kindergartneergartner that thd gender is a choice. it's inappropriate to tell a second grader that they may have been born g hav in the wrong. body. now, california has that. they want to hav catheye that intool the elementary school. my wife and i have a seven, five and a three year old. we don't think that that's appropriate. i know mosree-year don't think t think it's appropriate. it's also importanhinkt to respt parental rights, to know what curriculum is being used eing and everything should be age appropriate. i actually have something that i broughtsomething that the parents have objected to. so this is a book that's in some of the schools that isin california, florida.n this is not consistent with our standards called genderqueer. sistndards, it's of it's blacke. you would not probably be able to put this on air. this is . it's cartoons. it's aimed at children and it's wrong. so this shoulds po not be in bohools when people like on left say that somehow you're banning books by removing this frookinm a you. kids classroom? no, this is not age appropriate. and so we're going to stanthis and so wd forparent the rights of parents. i think we need to do that nationwide. i don't think you cas.n have a situation where some states trample on the rights of parents, parent think ys, educat a fundamental right to direct the education and upbringing of their kids. >> by the waioupbringiy you've a burning bed, 1406 books have been banned. just last year under p. desantis leadershi i love that he keeps pulling this out. i've seen this. he's been doing this all of the campaignas been g this a tours. s wr what's wrong with toni morrison's books? it's not banned. what's wrong? it's not truon e. what's wrong with amanda gorman's? not in the poetry. gorm narratives. 1006 book. >> also, there have been banned on your bench in the state of florida as it relates . , it is l rights come on. california. in our constitution, parental engagement. cod the lcf process.in we actually require parental engagement on curriculum development. and we don't complete lie. we don't require k through third grade education. >> that doesn't happen tillcatin middle school. what you're doing is using yoe n as a sword for your cultural purge. and you know what? with all due respectpurge. , you know,70s, i remember in the 1970s, in the 1970s, we had a bill, tiativ the briggs initiative, and there was a guy by the name of ronald reagan. e and th the namso offended by c issue which was the original don't say bill. in thawas tht case it was not allowing teachers that happened to be to teach and reagan the courage to stand up. and he said, you can't catcho te like you caacn measles. i don't like the way you demean people. n don't like the way you demea the lgbtq community. i don't like the way you demeanm and humiliateammunity.e people. disagree with ron. i really find this fundamentally offensive. a core valueh that distinguishes the values diof my state and frankly, the vast majority of americans against the weaponizatiomajorin of education. >> and the reason i haven. a follow s up question for you, though. and by the way, first, governor. yes or no, is are the book banning issues? knowhat not a statnot e >> here is the question i have for you, governor newsom. some books, one called "gender queer, a memoir," explicit book showing sex acts and "flamer," about sex acts at summer camp and a book on ins and outs of sexual. let me finish. contains graphic description how to masturbate. those books, do you believe that is appropriate for school districts to teach kids, yes or no? >> that is not part of the curriculum. >> those are books -- >> hold on. bottom line, you are on a book banning binge, your state, books. >> what about those books? >> we don't provide for k-3rd grade education that kind of curriculum, it is made up temperature is part of cultural purge, made-up. but what i find offensive sean and ron, the very significant number of these books happen to be lgbtq books. significant number of books. >> do you think it is appropriate in school? do you think it is appropriate in school? >> we don't teach that, we have sex education in middle school and high school where it is appropriate. this is a ginned up, made-up issue trying to divide this country. this is weaponization of grievance, using education, we are focusing on math and science. we will get to education next. >> california -- they use the schools to impose a liberal agenda, social justice, ethnic study dividing people. let me say something about parent rights. this is rich. he's been telling a lot of whoppers tonight, this may be the biggest. if you are a parent in south carolina, your minor child can go to california without your knowledge or consent and get hormone therapy, puberty blockers and sex change operation without you knowing or consenting, how in the heck is that honoring parent rights when you bring people from out of state to go around their parent's backs and getting life-altering surnlryes. that is radical and extreme. >> these kids just want to -- >> not for you to decide, it is for patterns to decide and parents do not want kids going to -- >> follow-up -- stay on follow-up and turn to the issue of education. >> where is your decency and humanity and grace -- >> gentlemen, please, nobody can hear you. >> that is wrong. >> that is wrong. >> americans not -- >> let us turn, gentlemen, if i may to the issue of education. here is public school upon spending per k-12 students according to the education data initiative from the u.s. census bureau and national center for education, florida spends nearly 12,000 per student and california spends 16,000. florida ranked number one by u.s. news and world report in terms of state rankings and california ranks 20th. governor newsom, what is your explanation? i spend more money and they have better results in florida, why? >> we create brand new pre-k for all, summer school for all. reimagining the school day, not just the school year. we provided 3.4 million students for child savings accounts and opportunity to start businesses when they graduate. we have one of the best records during covid and you didn't answer to the fact, you had more learning loss, ron desantis had more learning loss during covid, fourth grade reading, eighth grade math, we outperformed you, it is a fact during covid in every category. i can't wait all the politi-facts to not. you keep denying health, wealth and education, we outperformed you during covid. you should apologize for your covid record. you were with dr. fauci until you didn't and tens of thousands of people -- >> turn our focus to education. twh we opened schools we bucked all of people 2020. he kept schools closed for a long time and had a devastating impact. kowtow to the teachers union, he does. he will never bock the teachers unions, that is why schools were out of school so long. joe biden and kamala harris are in the pockets of education. >> it is kamala harris, madam vice president to you. stop insulting. try to keep the schools closed, the democratic party, are owned lock, stock and barrel. . i -- get the schools open during covid. also to do universal school choice. every parent in florida has the right to send their kids to school of their choice. we are winning these fights. california is betting that need to that unit because they controlled the politicians. >> sean: let's move on. a topic that will seemingly play a very large role in the future elections and it is the issue of abortion. i have a question for both of you. i will ask you to please respect the individuals' right to answer uninterrupted. and that is, governor desanti desantis, i think it is actually your turn, governor newsom, if you don't mind, the most medical professionals believe the baby is viable outside of a mother's womb by those between 24 and 26 weeks. that is the general scientific consensus. it changes. there are some variations on it. abortion is legal in your state, up to the viability. that is my understanding, unless the mother's house is in danger. i would like to get you on the record, you have been unwilling to answer this question. do you, should there be any restrictions on the issue of abortion that you support at all because funding in california, you have allocated in your budget 265 million for abortion last year alone. my question, very specific, do you support any restrictions at all on abortion, especially among seven, eight, and nine pass viability? >> governor newsom: let me answer that question. let's talk about the issue of abortion. >> sean: can you answer that? >> governor newsom: i will answer the question. but i think this is important and it bears repeating. ron desantis has signed the most extreme antiabortion bills in america. he signed a bill banning any exceptions for rape and insist -- incest. before women can even access to a doctor's point. so extreme is your ban that criminalizes women and criminalizes doctors that even donald trump said it was too extreme. on the issue of the extreme exception that you highlight as it relates to the issue of later term abortion, it is always always because of a fetal anomaly, the life of the mother. and in those rare cases, i trust and answer your question, i trust the mother and her doctor to make that decision. >> sean: i want to be clear on this. if the woman and her doctor for any reason -- know, i'm asking -- >> governor newsom: it is extremely rare. >> sean: i'm asking —-dash. >> governor newsom: this is where you have to go. >> sean: should -- [overlapping speakers] >> sean: it should there be -- would you support a ban on abortion in seven, eight, and ninth month, if the doors if the mother's life is not in jeopardy? >> governor newsom: extreme, extreme exception. we are not going on and having of the -- >> sean: should it be illegal? if it is rare, should it be illegal. >> governor newsom: it should be up to the mother and her doctor and her conscience. >> no restriction? >> governor newsom: already answered. to cover, again, hold on. for the most extreme abortion -- i have a simple question. this is important. >> sean: no, no, no, i'm asking -- >> governor newsom: will you or will you not sign a six-week ban? >> sean: governor desantis, let's talk about people of the state, you had 15 weeks, you had a 15-week rule in california. you reduced it to six. my question is this, what was your thinking behind it? was it for religious reasons? was it for scientific reasons? what was the reason for you from going through a 15 weeks to six weeks? >> sean: i believe in a culture of life. i think we are better off when everyone has an opportunity to do well and that bill attaches when there is a detectable heartbeat for the child. and some states have done that. some states have done others. some states have done it later and obviously they have a right to do that. but i think about one of our floridians. she actually survived a late-term abortion back in the day and they left her on the table there, basically to wither away. her grandmother came to save her. brought her to a hospital. brought her, saved her, and she ended up living a good life. so she counts and she matters. and i think that what the position that we have from the modern left including in california is that they will take your tax dollars and they will fund abortion all the way to the moment of birth. he is wrong when he says the leader terms are all because of this. 88% past 15 weeks are in fact the elective from the for the data. he does not give data there. but that is really extreme to take your tax dollars and to do this all the way up to the moment of birth. he did not answer your question about any type of protections at all for a baby that has a beating heart, i can feel pain. >> sean: all right. hold on. >> governor newsom: this is an important conversation, will you or will you not support -- >> governor desantis: why didn't you -- >> governor newsom: will you not support a national ban if it lands on your desk? >> sean: gentlemen, we are moving onto the next issue. >> governor newsom: the american people should know this. he can't answer it. he will sign that extreme -- term of let me move on. >> governor newsom: the american people should know that. >> sean: i will call this the lightning round. it would be great if you guys cooperated. a want to ask you, we know that federal policy does have a huge impact on the states. i'm going to ask you three simple questions and i just want one word answers. >> governor desantis: we will do our best. >> sean: we are coming up on break. joe biden is president. so i would like both of you to give a grade to joe biden overall as president, governor newsom, i will -- >> governor newsom: letter a. >> sean: governor desantis? >> governor newsom: failed. >> sean: f, failure. number two, are his policies helping or hurting your individual states? is it helping the state of florida? >> governor desantis: the inflation is hurting our state big time. >> sean: is it helping the state of california? >> governor newsom: thank you, joe biden. it is absolutely accelerating our dominance in manufacturing and accelerating eric -- >> sean: that was a simple answer. >> governor newsom: absolutely yes. >> sean: i will ask you, governor desantis, i have played over and over again, and governor newsom, you have seen over and over again, joe biden's experience what i believe to be significant cognitive decline. and in other words, it is the toughest job in the world. is joe biden experiencing this cognitive decline, is it a danger to the country? do you find what he speaks what is your reaction to it? >> governor desantis: yes, he is in decline. yes, it is a danger to the country. he has no business running for president. and gavin newsom agrees with that. he won't say that. that is why he is running his shadow campaign. he should not be running. he is not up to the job. and it is dangerous for this country. >> governor newsom: i will take joe biden in 100 versus ron desantis any day of the week at any age. >> governor desantis: you think he is up to the job? you think he is 100%? 100%? >> governor newsom: by the way, results matter. inflation now is down to 3.2%. wages are up to 4.4%. the economy is booming. 5.2%. gdp growth in the last quarter. those are facts you don't hear on fox news. 14 million jobs, 10 times those. >> sean: let me move on. i was the lightning round. on march 31st, 1968, president lyndon b. johnson, famously said, i shall not seek and i will not accept the nomination of my party for another term as your proposed intact now, despite being an incumbent president who was eligible to run for reelection, governor newsom, i have interviewed you twice on this issue. you say you are not running for president in 2024. in fact, you recently said, quote, you think that vice president harris is the one lined up to run for president if joe biden were to bow out. governor newsom, i ask you, will you make an lbj-like statement and governor desantis, you say he is running a shadow campaign. in your response, i would like you to answer that. really say unequivocally, i don't know circumstances are you running -- >> governor newsom: correct. i don't know how many times i can say this. you are making this stuff up about a shadow campaign. >> sean: if at the dnc campaign they ask you to run -- >> governor newsom: joe biden will be our nominee in a matter of weeks. in a matter of weeks, sean, we will be endorsing -- he will be endorsing donald trump. trouble if they come to you and joe is incapable of asking, are you a hard know? >> governor newsom: he is doing fantastically. i appreciate and respect the work the president is doing in the vice president, biden/harris campaign and team so absolutely unequivocally. >> sean: harris would be the next question? >> governor newsom: president biden will be reelected. donald trump will be rejected. >> governor desantis: i think what he is saying should color every single thing. he says joe biden is 100% up to the job. you know that is not true. anybody that can look, he wants you to believe him over your own lying eyes. when he says the economy is so great, how great is it when you are going to the grocery store now? how great is it when you are trying to avoid a home? how are those interest rates doing? what about affording a new car? we have to get real here. we have to understand that biden does here is i think the probl problem. what biden would do, the people around him, they would look to california for the model to go forward in the next four years. that would accelerate the decline of this country. freedom is what works. the failures need to be left in the dustbin. >> governor newsom: till that to the women you are trying to criminalize in your state. >> sean: we are creating to hold ground. and gentlemen -- >> governor newsom: it is not a state of freedom. >> i to accomplish the policies that have the impact on the citizens. for years, a gallon of gasoline, governor newsom, in california, has been notably higher. in your state, then in the state of florida. here are the numbers. was the numbers. the average cost of a gallon of gas nationwide just over $3.24. in florida, three dollars, 17 cents and california, it is a whopping $4.85. so governor newsom, i ask you, you have also sued big oil companies alleging executives have deceived the public about the health of our planet, knowing that it is a polluter. your lawsuit is successful, that would likely mean a higher gas prices, even higher gas prices for everybody. here is my question. can you name right now one source of energy that you could bring online in the next three to six months that would be as inexpensive for the people in this country as fossil fuels. >> governor newsom: let me -- >> sean: can you think of that answer? >> governor newsom: i'm going to get to your question. the first part of the question, you are absolutely right. since the 1980s, a republican and restrictions, democratic administration's have experienced under their stewardship, experience higher gas prices in the state of california. we have been ripped off by big oil. we continue to be ripped off by big oil. big oil now is met a new foe and that is the state of california. the most aggressive anti-gouging law in america for transparency and being required in america and yes, we are suing. we are suing the industry responsible for this climate crisis. the same climate crisis that ron desantis celebrated as human cost, campaign for a fracking ban, who campaign to oppose offshore oil drilling and then two days after he got elected side an accident of order executive order the way nikki haley, signed an executive order doubling down saying you are adamantly opposed to fracking, adamantly opposed offshore oil drilling. you were celebrated by the sierra club for that action. until you were not. it shows the hypocrisy of ron desantis. now you are running away from climate change as things have gotten worse. hurricanes, wild fires, droughts, and floods. $179 billion of weather-related disasters and he has no response except talking points for big oil. >> governor desantis: that was a mouthful. here's the thing. california is the only one that all companies are gouging? why aren't they doing that for georgia or florida? it is because of their policies? that is why people are paying more there. but gavin newsom wants to do, what he is doing in california, his government dictated green energy policies. they want to kneecap fossil fuels and reliable energy. we have seen what is happening in california. they have rolling blackouts. he actually implemented a mandate to buy electric vehicles. so pretty soon in california, you are not going to be able to buy a normal car. only electric vehicles and they celebrate that as a great thing. a couple days later, there was a notice from the state government telling all ev owners, do not plug in your tv because they don't have enough great capacity. so he is walking his people into a big-time disaster. what biden wants to do is he wants to take the california model. he wants to impose that nationally. he wants to take away your ability to purchase the car that you want. he wants to kneecap reliable energy and he wants to bring these rolling blackouts all across the united states of america. it does not work. it is going to cause huge problems. we have more energy here we can be the dominant energy -- >> governor newsom: apparently not in florida. you opposed fracking. [overlapping speakers] >> governor desantis: we have all of that. so let's do that. no forcing electric vehicles. >> sean: we got to take a break. when we come back to we will continue the great red state/blue state debate. more with governor ron desantis, more with governor gavin newsom as we continue. thank you for being with us from alpharetta, georgia. ♪ ♪ attention hearing loss sufferers! do you have trouble keeping up with conversations? do you listen to tv on max volume? start hearing better today with rca's micro hearing aids. through rca's hearing america program, you can get these ultra discrete hearing aids at a special, introductory price of just $299. or pay as little as $29 a month... with free shipping these aren't cheap amplifiers... they're rechargeable and have easy to use volume controls, and pre-sets for better hearing in different environments. order now, and we'll ship your pair of nearly invisible fda registered hearing aids for only $299 or pay as low as $29 a month. you get a 45 day risk free money back guarantee, free 24/7 us based support, a portable charging case, and free shipping. order yours now. call this number or go to rcahearingaids.com israel is under attack. the war against israel began with the murder of hundreds of precious children. countless israelis are enduring the devastating anguish of lost loved ones. the jewish people have become refugees in their own homeland. i simply can't stress enough the urgency of this situation. it's more dire than ever before. your gift of $45 will make sure that the people of israel have mobile bomb shelters, emergency supplies, and the hot nutritious meals that they so desperately need. this would be an incredibly important time for all of the friends of the international fellowship of christians and jews to stand with our friends in israel because we believe it's what god would have us do. please don't hesitate. call, scan, or visit our website now to make your life-saving donation. ♪ ♪ >> sean: welcome back to "hannity." the great red state/blue state debate. weekend in with governor gavin newsom, governor ron desantis. according to departments of housing and urban development, these are the numbers for the home is the population in each of your states. in the state of california, it is 172,000. in florida, it is 26,000. now, the per capita numbers are pretty much the same. for california, it is 4 44 -- while florida has -- so governor desantis, i ask you, why the disparity? what are the policies you are implementing that is different from that of california? >> governor desantis: california is adopting leftist policies. governor newsom put out a 10-year plan 20 years. he was going to end homelessness and then he had another plan and he says he is -- and it has only gotten worse. the homeless has gone up. but it has caused a huge problem with quality of life in california, the people that we always bring up this. they have really empowered lawlessness and drug use and you know, gavin newsom at point try to see that california was the freedom state. i had to last. and then i thought about thought about it. california does have freedoms that some people don't -- that other states don't. you have the freedom to defecate in public in california. you have the freedom to have an open-air drug market and use drugs. you have a freedom if you are an illegal alien to get all of these tax-free benefits. those are freedoms. they are not the freedoms our founding fathers envisioned. they have contributed to the destruction of the quality of life in california and the results speak for themselves. people are leaving the state because they have failed in addressing the homeless population. >> governor newsom: i love the i love they went on freedom. this is a guy that is criminalizing teachers, librarians, and women that seek their reproductive care. air making it harder to vote. they are banning books. spare me this notion of freedom. ask the folks at disney. ask the folks at the special olympics that you threaten to fine with 27 -- >> governor desantis: you say -- you wanted those athletes to be out there. that is wrong. that is being a liberal bully. >> governor newsom: really? >> governor desantis: you wanted to discriminate against them. they were discriminating against because they were discriminating against the athletes. they wanted to marginalize the athletes and you wanted the athletes marginalize. that was wrong with you that. these are kids with down syndrome that just wanted to compete and you wanted them —-dash. >> governor newsom: working with -- >> governor desantis: you wanted them to be -- [overlapping speakers] >> governor desantis: you should talk to isabella from florida. she got to participate. we stood up for her rights. >> sean: it is your turn. >> governor newsom: i can handle that. i can handle it. i'm used to it. you know what? your attacks on the trans community -- you attacked vulnerable communities. relax. i can handle it. i'm used to bullies. you are nothing but a bully. i understand that. intimidating and humiliate people. that is your calling card. [overlapping speakers] >> governor newsom: how well is this campaign going if he is not going to let me talk? i will remind you —-dash. >> governor desantis: he wanted them to be excluded. >> sean: gentlemen -- let's go back -- >> governor newsom: as you try to get to about trump. >> sean: let's go back to homelessness. >> governor newsom: it has been an issue for decades in the state of california ever since we started shutting down our mental health institutions, back in the day and ron regan' as they. the difference is on the first governor -- on the first governor in california history to take this had on. we are investing unprecedented resources. we have gotten 68,000 people off the streets, close to 6,000 encampments. we have also invested unprecedented resources in reforming our behavioral health system that ron has literally the worst mental health system in america. forgive me outside of mississippi and texas and so with all due respect of being lectured on some of these topics, ron desantis is not the one i'm going to be listening to. >> sean: 32nd response. -- 30-second response. >> governor desantis: this is a map of san francisco. this is an app where they plot the human feces found on the streets of san francisco. it is covered because that is what has happened in one of the previous greatest cities this country has ever had. human feces is now a fact of life, except when a communist dictator comes to town. then they cleaned of the streets. they lined the streets with chinese flags. they did not put american flags there. to clean everything up. they are willing to do it for a communist dictator, but they are not willing to do it for their own people. >> sean: i want to get to two very important issues. after the hamas terror attacks, on october the seventh, we have seen what is nothing short of a disturbing outbreak of virulent hatred, anti-semitism around the world, in the halls of our congress, on american streets, on college campuses, last month, outside sydney opera house in australia, we have seen it all over europe but in australia, anti-israeli protesters chanting ga

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