it shows a specific count. by the border agents of the movements of migrants that cross illegally into texas and now in texas and it shows where they were sent, how many are under the bridge as you can see. they keep close track. why did we hear this? more than once from the man that oversees all of this. >> senator, i don't have that data. >> why not? why don't you have that basic information? >> senator, i want to be accurate. >> i would be pleased to provide you with specific data subsequent to this hearing. >> martha: still muddy on this. these are the numbers that they did release. shows 1,400 sent back to haiti and about 3,200 released somewhere into the united states. different points of arizona, texas. we know from history that they go all over the country. listen to this with the white house correspondent. as peter presses on why the numbers don't add up to how many we know are on the border. >> i have a question about the numbers that you gave in the map. so there's 15,000 migrants under the del rio bridge saturday. if you add up the ones that you say were expelled, it's less than 5,000. still 5,000 left. where is everybody else? >> i'm happy to get you a more fruitful run down for you if it is helpful from the department of homeland security. >> martha: that would be helpful. let's bring in former press secretary, kayleigh mcenany and president trump's former acting deputy homeland security secretary, ken cuccinelli. welcome to both of you. there's been a lot of questions about what has changed since the prior administration and how you guys handled it and what the situation is right now. here's a back and forth with representative pflueger of texas with secretary mayorkas about whether it is more secure now or then. watch this. >> the question is the border more secure now under your leadership? >> congressman, it's no less secure than it was previously. >> martha: ken, your reaction to that. >> oh, my gosh. look, mayorkas has proven that he's more willing to lie and twist the truth. you heard it there. no rationale human being including democrats that live along that border would ever say the border is more security today or even as secure as it was before this administration took over. we actually repatriated people. we stopped people from coming in the country. that has stopped. that is almost completely stopped. it's no wonder this invasion is occurring. it's because they're inviting it. >> martha: kayleigh, you've been in this position in that room. peter doocy was trying to get at what are the controls and how do you designate who goes where? as part of that question, he asked about covid testing, putting people on buses, sending them to other parts of texas, arizona, putting people on planes. he said they're allowing women who are pregnant and women that say they're pregnant and may not be obviously pregnant. they're not testing them to find out if they are because that's a cut-off for saying okay, you can go. there's this sort of bristly back and forth on why he was bringing up pregnant women when the larger context is how are you making decisions, how are you making definite assessments of these people? here they've exchange. >> if there's a big outrage about pregnant women, i'm not tracking it. >> the issue is not about pregnant women. the issue is the border open or is it closed? my understanding is that a lot of this is happening on this side. >> i think you know the answer to that question. i conveyed clearly that we're implementing our border restrictions including title 42, including making clear that people that are coming through regular migration, that this is not the time to come and they will be placed in removal proceeding. >> martha: kayleigh? >> yeah, at oxford university, i was taught that ad hoc taxes are the last defense when you don't have a factual source base answer. that's what she did to peter. she sought to turn it back on him to bring up pregnant women and make this bizarre response because she was feeling the heat and she couldn't take it. the real answer to why she did that is this. yesterday peter put her on the spot and said has joe biden ever been to the border? a brilliant question to which she looks flustered and had no answer and said check the history books. the last thing she wanted pete tore say today, have you checked the history books? the answer is biden has never been to the border. she used this to not get there and like-wise no to get to the answer. yesterday peter asked do you have the number of people released to the united states. she said i promise i'll have that answer by this afternoon. we still don't have this answer. promise made by jen psaki, promise broken. she deflected and that's what that was. >> martha: it was interesting. she said are you saying pregnant women are threatening us? it was strange. your assessment is interesting. you know, the question of the treatment of people at this border -- we'll get into this more with senator graham in just a moment, but ken cuccinelli, this is maxine waters on her assistment of what she sees in terms of the treatment of the people that are crossing into texas illegally. watch this. >> what the hell are we doing here? what we witnessed takes us back hundreds of years. what we witnessed was worse than what we witnessed in slavery. >> martha: ken cuccinelli? >> that's hyperbole without basis. the fact of the matter is, they have invited what amounts to a third world camp on the border of the united states without facilities, without care for these folks. they're illegal aliens. they shouldn't have come in the first place. every one of them should be returned to their home count trip. at the same time, this administration is letting this fester. letting it sit there. if you live in or near del rio, this is not good for you community. this is not the kind of security that you expect. that's why democrats all along the texas border are turning on this administration. because they're not being cared for. >> martha: very interesting. we're seeing some indications that latino voters are changing their minds about this administration, which is going to be interesting to watch in 2022. well, they have 25,000 more people expected to be coming up. i know they're working hard to clear out the areas. they have bulldozers to clean up the areas where people have left. i don't know what they're going to do when the rest of the people start walking across the river as we saw in this round. kayleigh, ken, great to see you. >> good to see you. >> martha: there's no more horseback border patrol because of this video and these images. the riders that you saw using their reins to hold back border crossers have been relegated to desk duty and they're under investigation despite the explanations that were given by brandon judd about the training and how -- those are divided reins and used for a specific reason in this environment. another side to the story. senator lindsey graham joins us with that next. veteran homeowners, mortgage rates are still near all time lows. and home values are at all time highs. that makes right now the best time in history to use your va refi benefit and get cash. you could take out $50,000 or more because the newday 100 va loan lets you borrow up to 100% of your home's value. use that cash to pay high rate credit card debt or plan for retirement. the newday 100 va loan. ♪♪ i thought i was managing my moderate to severe crohn's disease. then i realized something was missing... ...me. my symptoms were keeping me from being there for her. so, i talked to my doctor and learned humira is the #1 prescribed biologic for people with crohn's disease. the majority of people on humira saw significant symptom relief in as little as 4 weeks. and many achieved remission that can last. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections, including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. be there for you, and them. ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. ♪♪ liberty mutual customizes car insurance so you only pay for what you need. how much money can liberty mutual save you? 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federal law enforcement officers with a duty to protect the border. she sees them as the bad guys. so all i can say is what biden has done is he surrendered the border to drug cartels, coyotes and human smugglers, surrendered afghanistan to the terrorists and a major attack will come our way. because the combination of allowing afghanistans to fall back in terrorists hands and having an open and broken border here in the united states, it's a matter of time that the terrorists come through the border to kill us. here's what i want to say to the american people. the man on horseback is there to protect your family. the people rushing our border have put us all under siege. i think the most inhumane thing going on right now in america is the men and women of the border patrol have been completely abandoned, demagogued, scapegoated and treated like dirt by elected officials and the democratic party and this administration. i'm not unhappy. i'm pissed. secretary mayorkas needs to resign. he's incompetent. the border is not closed. it's been surrendered. >> martha: that's an interesting point. so with regard to mayorkas, i hear a lot of people say where is the accountability? what is going on? i'm wondering now that you see the poll numbers slipping at some point does he become expendable to the administration if they want to have someone to point the finger at in this situation? >> there's no way in hell we're going to fix this problem as long as he's in charge because he doesn't understand the nature of the problem. he couldn't tell you how many haitians are being sent back to haiti. i guarantee you for every one we sent back, five are being released into the united states. there's a run on our border because we have a policy that if you come to america, claim asylum, chances are you'll never leave. the culprit here is president biden. he's the one that turned down sound military advice to withdraw all of our forces from afghanistan. he's the one that changed the policies:president trump, remain in mexico. they took all of the trump policies that worked on the border, they repealed them, they canned them and now we're being under siege. so mayorkas needs to go. secretary mayorkas needs to do. he doesn't know his job and will never fix the border. dereliction of joe biden relies in two areas. he abandoned thousands after afghanistans and now surrendered our border to drug cartels and human smugglers. dereliction of duty on the border as well as afghanistan. >> martha: one other observation. they talk about human behavior. pointing the fingers at these border patrol folks on horseback. they knew the thousands of people were coming. they knew they were crossing. they were warned in june by the border patrol that they needed more people down there. then they have inhumane situation where people don't have water, don't have feed, living in squalor conditions. they have the -- should have sent fema down there to get ready for them and to make sure that they lad a good setup to take care of these people that now they're upset about in terms of an interaction with this person on a horse. it just boggles the mind. thanks, senator. good to see you. >> thank you. >> martha: retired fbi criminal profiler who went inside the mind of the unabomber and understood how his mind work is now taking a look at the things that we're now learning about brian laundrie in order to try to figure out what is going through his mind. where would he be, what kind of provisions would he have had in place and how is he evading the police after this bomb shell from our exclusive interview with his neighbors across the street who saw this. >> i saw them loading it up. so i assume that they were preparing for a camping trip with their new camper. >> they were gone for the weekend. e 2 diabetes are waking up to what's possible with rybelsus®. ♪ you are my sunshine ♪ ♪ my only sunshine... ♪ rybelsus® works differently than any other diabetes pill to lower blood sugar in all 3 of these ways... increases insulin when you need it... decreases sugar... and slows food. the majority of people taking rybelsus® lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than 7. people taking rybelsus® lost up to 8 pounds. rybelsus® isn't for peopl with type 1 diabetes. don't take rybelsus® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrin neoplasia syndrome type 2 or if allergic to it. stop rybelsus® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction. serious side effects may include pancreatitis. tell your provider about vision problems or changes taking rybelsus® with a sulfonylurea or insulin increases low blood sugar risk. side effects like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea may lead to dehydration, which may worsen kidney problems. wake up to what's possibl with rybelsus®. ♪ please don't take my sunshine away ♪ you may pay as little as $10 per prescription. ask your healthcare provider about rybelsus® today. we did it again. verizon has been named america's most reliable network by rootmetrics. and our customers rated us #1 for network quality in america according to j.d. power. number one in reliability, 16 times in a row. most awarded for network quality, 27 times in a row. proving once again that nobody builds networks like verizon. that's why we're building 5g right, that's why there's only one best network. riders, the lone wolves of the great highway. all they need is a bike and a full tank of gas. their only friend? 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his mom's ford mustang. this morning, roberta laundrie drove the car and parked it in the driveway apartment left with husband christopher in the pickup truck. police had taken the mustang for evidence. authorities continue to search the carlton reserve looking for brian still considered a person of interest in the death of his girlfriend, gabby petito. investigators continue to trace his steps through witnesses and tourists that said that they saw the couple in jackson hole, wyoming shortly before gabby disappeared. >> we were at this restaurant friday, august 27, 1:00 p.m. sitting right next to them. they got kicked out of the restaurant and were fighting with the hostess. >> gabby's stepfather jim schmidt visited the wyoming campground. he made a stone cross and laid flowers to mark the spot. the city of moab, utah launched an investigation into the police response to an august 12 argument that gabby and brian had heated enough to prompt a 911 call. the city says at this point there's no indication their officers did anything wrong, but given the gravity of this case, they want to see if there's any lessons that can be learned moving forward. martha? >> martha: thanks, jonathan. let's bring in candice delong, former fbi profiler known for her work on the unabomber case. she's the host of "killer psyche", a podcast. one of the things that we learned from his friends is that he has very strong according to this person survival abilities. that he liked to go camping, boasted about getting by on crackers for a long time while he was camping. what are your thoughts as you learn more about him and where he might be right now. >> well, that all may be true, that he is somewhat of a survivalist but he can't survive forever. he was never out there before with trained professionals, search teams looking for him, drone searches. so i don't think this is going to go on a long, long time. >> martha: knowing what you know, piecing together what you learned about him so far, do you suspect that he is out there and alive still? >> yes. at first when i heard that he was missing and went to this preserve, it occurred to me that perhaps he went there to take his own life. that wouldn't be unusual. i say that because it's my belief that -- everything is pointing to him as the killer. so it's not unusual in cases like this for somebody to feel terrible about what they did. they don't want to live anymore and they take their own life. now i'm leaning a different direction with the information they're getting. >> martha: this is the one thing that we know he did before he disappeared. listen to what they told me yesterday. >> i didn't think anything unusual. you know, they got a new camper. so they wanted to put their own touch inside of it. i saw them doing some work. then when they prepared for their trip, i saw them loading the camper. i saw them loading it up. i assumed that they were preparing for a new camping trip. >> they were gone for the weekend. >> 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afghanistan withdrawal at 19%. general dislike at 13%. what do you make of that? >> well, i make that the president and his party are in trouble, martha. independent voters constitute about 34, 35% of the electorate. that's higher than the registered number of democrats or republicans. the independents are crucially important to the outcome of the election in swing congressional districts and in presidential elections with close electoral votes. if they're dropping well below 40% of joe biden's policies, that means trouble for democrats. the incompetence thing is telling. the kabul evacuation looked like an exercise in competence for sure. the mess at the border is most certainly a reflection of the administration's incompetence. now we have this legislation in congress, build back better bill, that looks like it's really getting in to heavy weather trouble inside his own party. i think the trouble, martha, is that many moderate democrats, especially in the house, are looking at those 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the lab in wuhan that caused the death of more than 680,000 americans, the plot is thick whenning today. leaked documents reveal a plan to create a coronavirus in the wuhan lab that would be more infectious to humans. then release it to bad caves so that they could vaccinate them and see if they could make the bats better. they planned to inject the super charged viruses to what they called and worked with humanized mice. mice that have the internal organs that are more similar to humans so that they could see how sick it would make them. let's see if we can make them better with the vaccines that we're working on. a research group known as drastic reports that document show the u.s. defense department refused to fund the plan because of the risk. let's bring in david asher that looked into the role of the chinese government. he revealed there was a military aspect that was at work in the lab a presence in the lab. he's a senior fellow at the hudson institute. great to have you with us. what is the biggest take-away from these leaked documents? >> the biggest take away is that there's a smoking gun now that explains the specific features of the sequence that are so become. the sequence itself is like a fingerprint crime scene. it's genetically unusual piece and the sequence is a fur and cleavage site which allows the virus to spread from bat to humans and among humans in a pathogentic way. they were applying for funding to do gain of function research exclusively to endow a bat with a coronavirus related to sars so it could kill humans. that was a plan that they proposed to the dod in march of 2018 and thank god the advanced research agency turned it down because it was too dangerous for weapons of mass destruction concern and pure gain of function in their eyes, which contradicts fauci. >> martha: exactly. looks like they went ahead and did this anyway. >> yeah, look like -- >> martha: they did what you said the virus looked like. you suspected this is what had happened. >> yes. looks like the chinese got into a global viral project, which works with this eco health alliance. used china's own funding to conduct the research into advancing the pathogens of covid. now we have all of the pieces genetically that account for covid-19 being manufactured in that lab in wuhan, the wuhan institute by the bat lady. all the lies and the cover-up at the nih and the chinese have now been defeated. we know it didn't come out of a wet market. we know that they were working on the sites and we know that they have bats and humanized mice in the same lab. they were doing gain of function among them to create a super coronavirus. just something looks just like covid-19. >> martha: and we know peter daszek whos that this american company that was working with them. there's enormous frustration obviously. you have it. investigators in england have it as well. why haven't we been able to investigate him and question him to get him to share with us what he knows, the full extent of what he knows? >> that's -- this is now a matter of a criminal cover-up. i think that the fbi needs to be put to the test to do something. investigate the american citizens for things that may or may not have been material to their mission, this is 100% a criminal conspiracy and a cover-up on the eco health alliance. they refuse to accept -- answer any questions from any of the congress members that have asked them for their data. they were 98% funded according to their own declarations by u.s. taxpayers and they better start answering questions. i say this needs a substantial criminal investigation and a substantial investigation by congress which needs to get off its sort of butt and get to work. that means that the democrats have to cooperate for once. >> martha: it's unconscionable. i want to play this sound bite from my interview were dr. redfield. we see these variants happening and the hotspots. here's what he said why it was happening. he said it was created in the lab and super charged. >> it's replicating at a high capacity in humans. as a consequence, the risk for a variant is extremely high. we dealt with the u.k. variant. everyone thought that was bad. it was twice as infectious. now we have the delta variant and it's dominant in the united states. sadly i'm going to predict in two, three, four months we'll have another variant and 20 be more infectious than the delta variant. >> martha: a quick thought as we head out, david. >> i mean, this is what hans when frankenstein's monster gets out on the loose. the fact that the u.s. government has any relationship still to the wuhan institute is criminal in my mind. >> martha: david asher, thanks very much. we'll stay with you on this story until we get some attention in congress and the right kind of investigation underway. that's the goal. >> thank you for your support. >> martha: you bet. coming up, the charge of clinton campaign attorney michael sussmann is getting more intriguing by 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save. >> martha: so investigator john durham says sussmann lied to the fbi. he said there was a chip at the trump organization and at the alpha bank in russia. the feds say they never found any evidence that there was a connection with the trump server and the russian bank. the claim took on a life of its own. it was repeated by former clinton campaign adviser jake sullivan who is now president biden's national security adviser. this exteriorry as we know generated tons of headlines and then a huge investigation. headlines the clinton campaign sought to keep alive. more on that with congressman jim jordan. david spunt gets us started in washington. hi, david. >> this case is only a week old and a few twists and turns. the first being that potential classified information to be clear, we don't know exactly what the information is. but we may find out something as this case progresses. if there's classified information, michael sussmann's attorneys would need special clearance to view it. susman was indicted a week ago today. durham says susman went to the fbi and linked trump and the russians. he did see as a citizen, not for the clinton campaign. the fact that he worked at the department of justice at the same time michael sussmann did in the 1990s. this happened sometimes a lot in the legal community. people tend to know each other. another interesting connection, martha, the judge happens to be married to an attorney that represented lisa page there on your screen. our viewers will remember she worked as an attorney for the attorney and her texts criticizing candidate trump in 2016. john durham could ask judge coop tore recuse himself. he's not done so. attorneys from both sides believe there's no conflict of interest right now. in 2 1/2 years, durham has charged two people in the case. susman and this man on your clean, kevin klinessmith that pleaded guilty to falsifying a document. there's no indication that michael sussmann plans to do the same and plans to fight this. we're told the trial is many months away, many delays in the court system. back to you. >> martha: thanks, david. let's bring in the top republican on the house judiciary committee, ohio congressman jim jordan and the author of the book "do what you've said you would do." a lot of americans would like to see that happen. thanks very much, congressman. good to have you here. one of the fascinating things here is the way this was perpetuated through these channels of clinton operatives and journalists that kept picking up the story despite the fact that there's not a lot of connection here. this is a quote from glen greenwald. hillary and jake sullivan said that they learned about this shocking story of a connection between the trump server and this russian bank from slate when it was printed in slate. in fact, it was hillary's own lawyers and researchers that spend weeks pushing the story to the fbi and friendly journalists like ford at the atlantic. your thoughts. >> what is always the hook to get the journalists to bite. >> the hook is when there's an investigation. it's the fbi of the united states of america. steve smith started an investigation. that's a term jim comey used. jim comey implemented this same strategy when he went up in early january of 2017 when it was president-elect trump, briefs him and sticks around to talk about the dossier, which is just as bogus as this connection to the russian bank server. but when comey briefs the president-elect of united states about it, that's a news for the press to run with this. this is the game. it's interesting. the very first sentence in mr. durham's indictment,27-page indictment, the very first sentence refers to the fact that this was in the news the week before the 2016 presidential election. >> martha: this was very successfully pedalled around and now there's a lot of people in the media that have egg on their face because they ran with it. you know, they continued to stoke the fire even though there wasn't a true connection. even after, i might add, it was -- even after the i.g. report in 2019, even after that, that showed that there was no connection with this server. the trump campaign. the question -- i think about the title of your book. "do what you said you would do." we hear this stuff and makes us unhappy. nobody pays the price for it. any reason to think that this will be different? >> great question. most americans are like when is someone going to jail for the lies we were fed and the median't cos to feed them to us. it's important. klinesmith and now sussmann, both didn't like to the investigators, this is not like your false claim. these are lies that took place on the whole front of the trump russian investigation. this is not a lie. this is the lie. this is sussmann telling the lie that launched this whole thing. this whole media story and the fbi investigation. it's a different animal. that's why you have a 27-page indictment starting with the sentence that mr. durham started with. i'm encouraged by what i see from mr. durham based on this indictment. >> martha: this is sort of the nut event. sussmann goes to the fbi. i'm a citizen. i'm concerned about this connection with the trump server and the russian back. he says it's not true. i'm not working on anyone's behalf. i'm a concerned citizen. turns out, he worked for the clinton law firm. they're all behind this. he says it's not true. my question to you one more time is just, you know, where do you think this goes next? as you go through this, do you think it will go anywhere? >> i hope so. it's important to understand who susman went to. he didn't go just to anybody, he went to jim baker, the same jim baker that gave the information about the dossier, this is not the first time that mr. baker took information that we know was not accurate and sent it on to the investigative team. i'm curious what jim baker has to say about this. he has to be a witness in this case. he received the information and supposedly didn't know who sussmann was representing. >> martha: and when jim comey put the story out there so it ended up in the press. you see the circle how it works. jim jordan, thanks very much, congressman. >> thank you. >> martha: so we have breaking news just coming in outside of memphis, tennessee. the firefighters police department responding to a shooting at a kroger grocery store. reports of multiple shots. very few details about this. just really starting to come in. memphis police department says they're assisting the collierville police with securing that scene. we will keep a close eye on developments there as that story continues to unfold today. so a lot going on this afternoon. that is "the story" for us for today, thursday, september 23, 2021. the story goes on. we'll cover it with you watching us on the other side. we appreciate that. see you back here tomorrow at 3:00. "your world" starts right now at the top of the hour. have a great afternoon, everybody. >> neil: all right. does this look like a market that is worried about china or worried that over the fact that we might not have a budget or worried about the fact that we haven't addressed the debt ceiling issue or spending money hand over fist? they just don't know how much money. does this look like a performance you'd see in stocks if they were taking stock of all of that? no, it does not. but up we are nevertheless. 507 points up for the dow on top of

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