the del rio bridge saturday. if you add up the ones that you say were expelled, it s less than 5,000. still 5,000 left. where is everybody else? i m happy to get you a more fruitful run down for you if it is helpful from the department of homeland security. martha: that would be helpful. let s bring in former press secretary, kayleigh mcenany and president trump s former acting deputy homeland security secretary, ken cuccinelli. welcome to both of you. there s been a lot of questions about what has changed since the prior administration and how you guys handled it and what the situation is right now. here s a back and forth with representative pflueger of texas with secretary mayorkas about whether it is more secure now or then. watch this. the question is the border more secure now under your leadership? congressman, it s no less secure than it was previously.