here, you can try. get way more into what your into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. - [announcer] do you have an invention idea but don't know what to do next? call invent help today. they can help you get started with your idea. call now 800-710-0020. >> good evening, tonight, on ac 360, there's breaking news -- new subpoenas go out as the first two defendant surrender in atlanta and the former president prepares to upstage the republican debate in turn him self and thursday. also, tonight -- with a new filing in the mar-a-lago documents case reveals about the key witnesses apparently changing testimony. and later, what could have been a cable car catastrophe -- one of the cable snapped and the car full of kids was dangling hundreds of feet above ground for hours. the remarkable rescue caught on tape -- good evening, thanks for joining us. we begin in georgia, with breaking news, in this week surrender of 19 defendants. late today, we learn that rudy giuliani, the man who once served as u.s. attorney for the prestigious southern district of new york, has not been able to find a lawyer to represent him in georgia. so far, two people have turned themselves in -- john eastman, an attorney who allegedly devised a -- electors scheme and scott, holloway charged in -- trump supporters in january 2021. the woman who let people in the breach those machines, kathy latham, seen here on surveillance video, opening the door for them, she reached a bond agreement today. 11 other defendants have now down the same. two others -- reaction today, trying to do all the entire process. former chief of staff mark meadows asking a federal judge who put his surrender on hold while deciding whether or not to move his trial to federal court -- and the former doj official jeffrey clark seeking the same, making a pretty remarkable argument in his filing -- clark, who the former president nearly appointed acting attorney general, asked for his day of his surrender by five pm today. that way, and i'm quoting now from the filing, which is full of grammatical mistakes, mr. clark would not need to be put the choice of making rush travel arrangements to flying to atlanta or, instead, risking being labeled a fugitive. there is no word on yet from a judge or if a judge can understand that grandma. just as a point of fact, clark was given the same two-week deadline to surrender as every other defendant and, as any traveler, no matter where you are going, you don't have to kind of go through atlanta. cnn's katelyn polantz joins us right there. more than half of the defendants, katelyn polantz, have now reached won terms. what do you know about where this whole process stands tonight? >> the process is in the middle of where it will need to be by the end of the week. that is because, at the end of this week, at noon, that is the deadline for all of the 19 defendants to go through the process of being arrested after this indictment last week. so, anderson, more than half have done what was largely expected, and what donald trump himself did in this case. they had their lawyers come in and talk to the prosecutors to negotiate some terms. this is not a violent crime case. this is a white-collar case. and so it's the type of case where criminal defendants typically would be bonded out, meaning they would have some sort of monetary value to assure that they would come back to court for a trial. but they wouldn't be held in jail for a long time. they, instead, would post those bonds, and then go to the jail to be arrested, to be processed here, and then released as quickly as they could get through the system. we did see some of that beginning to happen today. donald trump has not gone through the full process of this yet. he does have a 200,000 dollar bond set, a little bit different, a little bit more strict than the bond terms he has had in the amara other criminal cases that he has now been charged with. but here in georgia, he does have that negotiation. and there are other leaders around him, both lawyers who had worked with him, people in the campaign -- they also have six figure bond terms and some are very likely to be coming into the jail, just like john eastman did earlier this morning, to go through the arrest process. >> and what about the efforts by some to move this to federal court? >> that is the big question of, will this train that fani willis has been captaining, has been pushing forward, will that go off the tracks? and mark meadows and two others -- jeffrey clark and david schaffer -- so, a gop official, is david shafer, who is one of the fake electors. jeffrey clark was a justice department official in the government iteration, and then mark meadows, obviously, the chief of staff -- they are all trying to get this out of the turf that the da, fani willis, wants this case to be on, and get it before a federal judge, potentially a judge that would be appointed by donald trump in a venue that has a little bit of a different for seagulls structure, and also could be a trump appointee -- has just a little bit different plan and approach -- no cameras in federal court either, like they have in state court -- and right now there is a standoff between what mark meadows is asking for and what the da wants to do. the da ones mark meadows to play on their terms, and essentially come, and have the bond processed, take place, like the others, like trump, and then be a rested come in through the jail -- mark meadows says, no. we are getting this case in federal court and that is where it is now, based on what we have done procedurally. and so, we are not coming in yet. have us arrested. and the da is threatening to arrest mark meadows if he does not turn himself in by this deadline of friday at noon. there is a hearing set for monday that meadows wants to push this whole thing passed. and it is going to be gearing up to be quite the hearing. because there is a lot of people looking at whether that case could be moved to federal court, either one or two defendants, or all of them. >> what about when former president plans to turn himself? and we know more details exactly? >> we don't have the full plan available, yet anderson. but we do know that donald trump is announcing. he is planning to turn himself into be arrested on thursday in this case, now that his lawyers have made that bond agreement. he was tweeting about it or posting about it on social media, which is notable in and of itself, because part of his bonn terms is that he has to be careful on social media. he is not able to intimidate witnesses or discuss the facts of the case with others who might be involved in this case either, either as defendants or witnesses. and so watching what donald trump is saying and also what he is doing, if those things diverge, that is very important to watch in the coming days. we are going to be looking forward to see exactly when the former president will be coming into the state of georgia to face these charges. but right now, we know thursday is it. there could be some defendants before him, some after him. it's going to be a busy. week >> katelyn, thanks so much. more now on the mar-a-lago federal case and what we are learning from a new filing by special counsel jack smith -- cnn's evan perez joins us now. so, this is really fascinating. what is the special counsel saying in this new filing? >> well, anderson, for the first time, the special counsel is providing some details as to why they believe there was a scheme involving the former president of the couple of his employees to delete, to try to delete surveillance video from mar-a-lago, and why they added charges as part of that superseding indictment that we saw in the last few weeks. and, according to the filing, they say that this trump employee -- is an i. t. worker -- 's name is ucla tavares -- >> this is employee number four in the original indictment. >> that's right. he is identified as trump employee number four. and according to prosecutors he at first said that he knew nothing about any conversations about the surveillance video. and it appears after he ditched his trump funded lawyer, got representation from the public defender he changed his story and he provided information to prosecutors, this court filing, and he implicated that the former president -- walt nauta his aid, as well as carlos de oliveira, another -- the property manage there at mar-a-lago -- all of them were part of this effort to try to get him to delete the surveillance video. >> that's fascinating. what do prosecutors want to judge to do. >> well, anderson, the prosecutors want the judge to declare that this is a conflict. because dan woodward, who is the lawyer that was representing yuscil taveras is also representing a couple of other witnesses who may become where this is at the trial, he will testify at the trial. and, of course, he is also the lawyer for walt nauta, trump's very close aide. and so a prosecutor saying is that, look, this is a conflict, and his lawyer cannot be representing all these people. stan woodward had declined to comment to us when we reached out to him tonight. he has pushed back out prosecutors, saying that they are over blowing, they are overplaying what this conflict could represent. and that the judge could deal with this in a more narrow fashion, anderson. >> all right, evan perez -- cnn's legal analyst elie honig and what kaitlan collins -- and former trump communications director alyssa farah griffin and former judge nancy griffin or -- all it takes is get rid of the trump pack lawyer and suddenly this guy gets a public defender and flips. >> and comes clean. this happens all the time as a prosecutor. in an ideal world, everyone's would come in and tell you the full truth right off the bat. but that really happens. people come in and they live right off the bat about their own conduct, about others, especially where their lawyer is being paid for by the person they may be testifying against. and what you see happened so many times. we have seen it happen many times before in trump world. this -- as soon as this person breaks three and gets a lawyer and gets a conflict -- then they tell you the. 3000 prosecutor, the question is, do you believe them now? it seems like prosecutors do. and can you explain that to a jury? but i think they understand, in my experience, the whole phenomenon there with the lawyers. >> i mean, it certainly -- if you are the former president you are certainly, i guess, looking at walt nauta and carlos de oliveira even closer now, wondering, are they going to possibly flip -- >> and there is an even greater kind of conflict they are in that most of these people are employees of not. trumps they worked for one of his entity so, there is the fear of retaliation, that i am sure, is built in with what they are experiencing but then also wanting to get their own attorneys. these can be extremely where tentative intensive retainers that you -- are a came up in cassidy hutchinson's case when she was represented by a trump paid attorney, she was not able to share what you want to, and she was actually coaches say i do not recall on things she did -- i expect there will be more people together on attorneys because there are so many conflicting interests here. and i would actually just -- as well. >> -- a sense that this happened. we knew that carlos de oliveira had -- they had gone through his phone. they had seized it. no one had been charged. he had not been charged, officially. there has been the superseding indictment that came down, we are, we spoke to sources at the time we said it was very close that yuscil taveras who is known as employee number four here -- he is not the i. t. worker here in this -- and then it was that we like about than woodward and the fact that he had changed attorneys there. stay in woodward is someone who represents -- it's not just people in this case. he is representing people and other investigations surrounding donald trump as well. he is someone who is very close and very involved. i don't see him leaving all of this. we will see if the judge ruled that it is a conflict for him to represent walt nauta as well. because essentially what prosecutors are saying is that if yuscil taveras, this employee who used to be represented by stan woodward, gets on the stand, then stand woodward would be questioning him under cross examination. he could possibly incriminate walt nauta. that is what they retain saying at the conflict -- >> elie honig, we've learned that walt nauta is asking for an earlier trial date that -- is not unusual? >> it is unusual. trump is not the only person once a delayed trial. it's not a common tactic. but one of the key questions here, is will these defendants be tried together separately? usually if a defendant wants to be tried several -- especially if he's the less culpable person in the last powerful person -- adjudge will try to respect that. because it could be tough for him to sit there next to donald trump. so, it is possible -- now, if this happens, by the way, this could be a tactical play. the cars it would help donald trump to see carlos de oliveira tried first. because then the government is going to have to put all their witnesses on. you are going to see them take the stand. you are going to see them get cross-examined. so, if they pull this off, this is actually going to help trump tactically. >> judge nancy gernter, back in the case of georgia, what do you make of the move by jeffrey clark or mark meadows to move this to federal court? >> it's a move they had to make and it is a move that they -- they are entitled to try to make. the question is, this is a removal where federal officials, arguably carrying out federal policies, saying, they can't get a fair trial in state court, and they had federal defenses, immunity from these prosecutions. the issue here is going to be weather -- because this all took place while meadows was chief of staff, that that somehow inoculates it from state charges, or whether or not the judge is going to say, wait a minute -- wait a minute, what they were doing was not carrying out federal policies. they were carrying out trump's campaign policies. they were not dealing with the presidents official duties, which might have to do with the integrity of elections. the president has no official duties with respect to the electoral college. that is completely a state function. so, the question is, how strictly judge will it be about applying the federal removal statute. and then meadows and the others are also trying to say, we were federal officials, federal policy should -- trump -- not a good word -- state policies. they should have immunity from state prosecutions. and the cases have gone in both directions. so, i mean, this is what they had to do. and we will see what the judge does. >> a federal judge has ordered -- judge nancy gertner -- to fulton county da -- to respond to clark summer gen z requests by tomorrow afternoon. >> right. if he -- the federal judge did is to say, i can't, on the face of the papers, just looking at the papers, answer the question of whether these allegations are pursuant to your federal office. i need an evidentiary hearing. so, that is what he is doing. he has set up an evidentiary hearing very quickly, for monday, for everyone to participate. that does suggest that he is looking below the surface here. it's not just that meadows was the chief of staff to the president. i think he is looking at what exactly was meadows doing. -- chief of staff ordinary activities? or were these activities pursuant to the campaign? with these activities pursuant to a -- that the president had absolutely no business interfering in, namely the electoral college, or were these activities on their face a legal, in which case they would not have been part of the federal policy? >> is -- this alyssa farah griffin -- this is more than him just wanted to avoid a mugshot in fulton county -- clearly, he would like to -- >> that certainly a factor. listen, none of this brings me joy. but meadows, from what i understand, is -- who knows him kind of playing all sides -- trying to leave trump world, think he is not cooperating, while going as far as he can, cooperating unofficially with the oj and you say that to me -- his answer, he has responded to a subpoena, he is very clearly, at least, claiming -- but fulton county was always kind of this x-factor. because fani willis did not give him some kind of an angle where he could basically quietly cooperate and not get wrapped up in the indictment. i think it was so clear cut his actions there. so, i am not sure how this is going to work out. i would also just note to the judges point that there is the specific line in the george indictment were talks about meadows actually offering money to speed up a recount. that was going to come from the trump campaign. i don't know how you could possibly legally say that he was doing that in his official white house chief of staff duty. that is very much an electioneering political effort that was underway. >> trump world has been suspicious for a long time. his attorneys stopped communicating with the trump attorneys. on the background of this, it is in part, the attorney, george to willow court, for meadows, when they stopped communicating, they turned over the text but they didn't actually have him go in-person. that is in part because he was going to be much more valuable to update mark meadows's testimony to actual justice department investigators and lawmakers on capitol hill doing the investigating. >> if mark meadows was cooperating or trying to cooperate with doj and the feds, the fact that he has been indicted by fani willis really complicates that for both of them, because the deal is, you tell us everything you did, you cooperate with us, we will take care of you, but then i fani willis drops a rico indictment on him, as she has, it could really blow him up and make it more difficult. >> this reporting that rudy giuliani has not been able to find, the attorney to represent him, do you buy that? there are plenty of lawyers in georgia, i would assume. >> he's had plenty of time. it is one thing in that mar-a-lago case, we saw de oliveira and nodded that there are two after, they could not find a florida attorney. over a week ago, he was a lawyer, he has suspended now, but he knows plenty of lawyers. if that is a, case i don't mean it sarcastically, if you are out of money you could get a court appointed lawyer. there are great lawyers that are court appointed. but if this is a stall tactic it is not going to work. >> you know, as part of the conditions for the former president, barred from intimidating witnesses or otherwise instruction in cases of obstructing on social media, what are the options actually available to a judge if he were to violate that agreement? he certainly will push it to the line or beyond, what can a judge really do? >> well, there is a range of options, and i am adamant that any judge would tread lightly here. so, one option is, you bring him into court and you say you did x, it violated my rule, do not do it again. to some degree we saw this in the roger stone prosecution. then that doesn't work, to bring it back again, and then you can cite him for contempt if it is a clear violation, you can cite him for contempt. you could wind up, there could be sanctions for that. you could wind up revoking bail. there is a whole continuum. but given the collision here between a campaign on the one hand, and these requirements on the other, i would imagine that a judge is going to go through that continuum and not throw him in prison, in jail rather, immediately after he crosses the line. but you know, there is a line that has to be crossed here. and trump has shown himself, if he hasn't crossed the line, he certainly walked awfully close to it. >> it is such an interesting dilemma. you can't really, you are not going to put him in jail, you can find him, but contempt citation is a badge of honor for this guy. >> i mean, that is what he is masterfully done in all of this. there is an interesting piece today talking about the mugshot. if it ends up happening with trump, he will fund-raise off of it. he will use it to his advantage. >> he made a fake one -- >> his adversaries, those who oppose him, they also want to see it. he is very good at flipping the script, i don't know if it hurts him, he's a wealthy individual, he could pay the fine. i don't think that it is a deterrent. >> thank you. back at 9:00 on the source. coming up next, fulton county defendants are on being booked. including where the former president will be booked and the other scrutiny that the facility is now under beyond this case. also tonight, nine qualifiers but only eight participants. what the first republican debate will look like tomorrow night without the leading republican, ron desantis, and what his past debates can tell us about his performance, what it may be like tomorrow. 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retired sheriffs can tee -- says that people who are surrendering comes through the front door for us. but regardless of which entrances trump and the others arrived in -- >> they would be path down, led to the booking office in the rear from their, they probably will have to have ties, and shoe strings, all of those types of things taken. then, from there, the persons would be fingerprinted, given a booking photo. >> donald trump and the other defendants are expected to be photographed for mug shots. but it is unclear when those pictures will be made public. people familiar with the process tell cnn normally, those look at this jail are searched for early by a jail deputy and a medical examination, and pre-trial screening to determine if they could sign out on their own recognizance. but it is not clear if trump or the other high-profile defendants in this case will go through those steps. for a normal defended it would take hours to go through those procedures, but with these defendants? 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>> desantis comes prepared to debates with facts and figures, but in this case, he appeared to freeze before firing off a one liner against charlie crist in 2022. >> will you serve a full four-year term if you are reelected governor of florida? it is not a tough question. >> it is a fair question, he won't tell you. >> listen, i know that charlie is interested in talking about 2024 and joe biden but i just want to make things very, very clear, the only worn out,, old donkey i am looking to put out is charlie crist. >> in past debates, desantis has blamed the other guy, even when defending his own policy. >> you are the one waging the culture war. >> and when things are not going his way there is apparently another telltale sign from desantis. >> when he gets irritated, his voice goes up and up, and up. and that is when you know you have really landed a punch. >> still, desantis has been known to pivot. watch this. when he was asked of donald trump is a good role model for children -- >> i don't actually read the art of the deal to my son mason. he is a great kid. the smiles i had anything, but that is not his cup of tea. here is what i know, i was very passionate about moving our american embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem -- >> on stage, desantis likes to tout his record. >> he called for harsh lockdowns in july of 2020. i lifted you up. i protected your rights. >> thank you! >> at his first presidential debate, given desantis has the highest poll numbers among candidates onstage he will be standing in the center. his new campaign manager said in a recent memo to the candidates friends and supporters, we are fully prepared for governor desantis to be the center of attacks and on the receiving end and of false, disparate charges from other candidates. so ron desantis better prepare for a fight. >> i will not bow down to the altar of political correctness. >> randi kaye, cnn, palm beach county, florida. >> joining me now our cnn political commentator and former obama advisor van jones, and stuart stevens, a former republican -- he now works on a new pro-democracy media platform called resolute square. it is the author of the upcoming book called the conspiracy to end america. stuart stevens, ron desantis will literally be center stage tomorrow night. if everyone will be gunning for him. what do you think a strategy will be? >> god forbid that i would help ron desantis. but i think it is really important to go into debates with a very clear strategy. debates are ultimately a tactic to execute your strategy. ron desantis, to the extent that he has a theory of candidacy is that he would be best against biden. so, i would use the debate to debate joe biden. i would say that in my opening statement. i would say everybody on the stage would be a better president than joe biden. i think that they are all going to be good candidates. and i will tell you why i am the best to be against joe biden. and then i would just -- act as if joe biden weighs on this stage and debate biden. and not take the bait when he is attacked. >> van jones, what do you make of that? because it does seem like given his past, he has these lines that he will try to go to to kind of own the headline, or get the click the next day on news sites. >> everybody will show up with a bag full of zingers, and one liners, hoping they can get them off there. when the big lights hit you, and people start punching in the head, sometimes those plans go of the window. i think that is a mike tyson quote. everybody has a good plan until you get punched in the face. he's gonna get punched a bunch. so chris christie is no joke, he knows how to throw a punch, and -- vivek ramaswamy being right next to him, it's amazing, you have somebody who is a nobody six months ago sitting right next to ron desantis. i think that he is going to have to show himself. i think that he has more to lose than anybody else. he has got this kind of reputation. they call him robot ron. -- so ron desantis has the most to prove in the most to lose tomorrow night. >> stuart stevens, four chris christie, who is clearly gunning for one of the few, he's one of the most outspoken against the former president, how does that resonate without the former president on the stage? >> listen, i think that chris christie is going to have a lot of fun tomorrow night. he is a prosecutor. i worked for christie when he ran for governor both times. this is a comfortable space that he is in. look at what he did to marco rubio in the last new hampshire debate. he basically took his head off and handed it to him. one of the factors in this debate is going to be the crowd. and christie is going to get booed, as these mike pence. but i think christie he's going to be prepared for that. he's going to play off of that. he's going to enjoy it. so, i think he is just going to sit there like he is a prosecutor, and that you have got to donald trump. he is in the dock. and he's just going to go right after him and be in a very comfortable, good place to attack. >> van jones, do you think it was smart for the former president to skip this? >> sure. because he is going to counter program it with his little tucker carlson video. he will get himself arrested the next day and be a big martyr and crybaby and we will talk about the debate for 15 seconds before he goes and steals the show again. so right now he is 40 something points ahead, and these other people, frankly, this not-so-great eight are just basically shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic of their own campaigns. thinking about who is going to be a cabinet member or vp has far far as i'm concerned -- >> stuart, do you think that the former president will debate at all? does that give license to president biden tonight debate? >> i think he will debate. i actually disagree with van jones. i think he should be in the debate. he is the most vivid candidate. he's someone that knows why he's running for president. he's running for revenge. this is the final battle. he is not confused about this. he's very clear. i think that his vividness and energy would dominate that stage. so, i think it is a mistake for him not to debate. i think that he will end up being in the next debate. and i think that he will do really well because most of these people, they really, you know are you running for 2024 or are you running for 2020? eight are you running as a cabinet member, or are you running to be a vp? most of them are not really running to win this thing. and i think it desantis will melt next to trump. so i think that trump ought to go out there and be donald trump. that is what the party wants, that's what he'll give him. >> stuart stevens, assuming chris christie it is not one of them -- but how many of these people onstage do you think would be at the republican convention speaking, saying that people should vote for donald trump? >> this is the thing. to be onstage, you have to sign a pledge that you will support the nominee, which is a very interesting little box that they have all been put in. it will be interesting to see how chris christie deals with that and asa hutchinson. look, the reason that trump is winning is because donald trump is what the party wants to be. there is no market really for an alternative to donald trump. so the argument that was used against trump in a lot of these cases like after the 22 election, he is not winning. there's no substantive argument against him. no one is saying, in the republican party, there is someone who tried to overthrow the government of the united states and maybe shouldn't be president. they are just saying that he might hurt us. so, you know, i think that that is a difficult thing for a lot of people to accept. somebody that worked, like myself, to build the party -- this is what the party is. it is donald trump's party. it is a white grievance party. >> stuart stevens, van jones, thank you guys, appreciated. coming up just ahead, an exclusive look into the lead ukrainian sniper unit battling russians on the front lines. nick paton walsh joins us with this story next. also tonight, the daring rescue caught on tape, mission one hundreds in the air. eight people including six kids were trapped in a cable car hanging on after one kid was found. wireless does. they charge you a lot. we charge you a little. they put their names on arenas. we put ours on my lower back. so naturally when they announced they'd be raising their prices due to inflation, we decided to deflate our prices due to not hating you. and if this were one of their ads, they'd end it here with a "happy customer". so we'll end ours with an angry goat. oh h-ho, look at the angry goat. we, the first generation of moms to lose our kids to social media are sick of waiting. for 25 years, there's been no new laws protecting kids online while our children are dying. we can pass the kids online safety act. join us. join us. join us. join us. ♪ let's lead the way. ♪ may lead to severe vision loss and if you're taking a multi-vitamin alone, you may be missing a critical piece... preservision. preservision areds 2 contains the only clinically proven nutrient formula recommended by the national eye institute to help reduce the risk of moderate to advanced amd progression. preservision is backed by 20 years of clinical studies. so ask your doctor about adding preservision and fill in a missing piece of your plan. like i did with preservision. now with ocusorb better absorbing nutrients. ♪ ♪ wake up, gotta go! c'mon, c'mon. -gracie, c'mon. let's go! guys, c'mon! mom, c'mon! mia! 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>> a significant number, i think is fair to say even so probably not all of them meet the standards of this alpha team. of course, the exact numbers are something of a military secret. some do operate inside russian held occupied parts of ukraine, behind enemy lines, so to speak. but we heard repeatedly from this unit they're relying on donations sometimes, and you saw that sniper rifle essentially falling apart as it with fired. other heavier weapons are used so much that are being put to one side because they are worn out. so desperately, indeed, i think it times as much assistance as they can, get anderson. >> the continued result of ukrainians and the face of this russian onslaught is extraordinary. when you hear that sniper talking about his young son, already knowing who the enemy is, clearly he's preparing for war that could go on for a very, very long time. >> yeah. this is a desperate hope, i think amongst ukrainians, they are not looking at a multi year conflict here. but yeah. the hatred that you hear from ukrainians who have lost family members, who've seen their homes torn apart by this war will run deep for generations. and talking to those men, as well, they've heard, too, some of the criticisms, some very public criticism from western officials about how the counter offense is being prosecuted. i think it does engender some anger, and frankly confusion as well, that some of their allies talking them down this early on in the counteroffensive. they know here that it is hard, that it is slow, that they are facing a pretty well dug in russian enemy. they are seeing some progress, certainly the stay around rob tina rabatina -- ukraine has now said it's moved into their, incremental progress. but at some point some of the small changes to odell, likely, in a bigger change in russia's ability to defend these frontlines. we might be seeing, possibly, the beginnings of some of, that anderson. >> nick paton walsh, thank you, appreciate it. terrifying ordeal on a cable car, one of the cables snapped. eight people including six children were trapped hanging hundreds of feet above the ground. they are incredible rescue, next. what? 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