on a prominent boulevard here in colleyville that's easy to see. you have to go looking for it and know it's there. what kind of calculations went into all of that for the suspect to find this particular synagogue and why? we don't know at this point. i don't know if hostage negotiators if that's the kind of details or information they have been able to garner in their conversation with the suspect throughout the day. >> all right, stick around as we continue to unpack what has unfolded, ed lavandera, thank you so much. this is cnn's breaking news. just past the top of the hour, welcome everyone, i am michael holmes. breaking news out of texas where all remaining hostages held at that fort worth area synagogue is now free. there was a loud bang out, ed lavandera heard it and gunfire that was heard there in colleyville in texas. just under an hour ago now. then minutes later the texas' governor greg abbott tweeted out that the hostages were alive and they were safe. that hostage situation has been going on since the morning on saturday. at one point there were four people were being held and then a few hours later, one man was released unharmed and moments ago all of the hostages freed and now safe. i am joined by cnn's national security analyst, julia kayem. julia, your thoughts as to how this ended? >> it ended as well as we could have hoped. as we have been saying over the course of the day the hostage team, negotiation team clearly felt they had some control of the situation for some period of time. they continue to talk the assailant and they were able to get one hostage out, they felt they had some opening for some period of time and then when a vulnerability occurred whether the hostage taker became agitated and got negligent or whatever, you have the team coming in doing exactly what they had to do, getsing the hostages out alive. we don't know the status of the assailant. we'll find out very soon. this is obviously tactically about as good as it gets in a situation that's absolutely horrific for the jewish community, for members of that temple and for the jewish community throughout this country that's been facing ri rising anti-semitism. one of today that god resulted in the best way that you could have imagined when it started earlier on saturday. >> absolutely. when it comes to law enforcement, what triggers them to go in? what sort of thing predicate that sort of decision? >> so two defining moments. one would be if they felt like that the perpetrator was becoming agitated, in other words, they lost control of the narrative continuing to talk with him and try to convince him that maybe the receptive and he clearly wanted someone to listen to him. he was apologizing for having to threaten violence that is an opening. that's the kind of conversations that they're having. that would be one reason why they would go in as if those conversations had stopped or they felt he had become too agitated and they could not control him. the other would be simply some physical opening that would allow the fbi to go in with a flash bang sort of isolate the hostages from him, get them out safely. that could be anything from he moves away from them, they're able to get out for some periods of time. he gets tired. they know he gets tired and they have some ways of having surveillance at least audio surveillance knowing what's going on in the room. those would be the two triggering points. we don't know how it unfolded but definitely incredible work by the fbi simply being patience. i know it was hard for people in particular. members of the congregation and those being held. this is the resolution you want in terms that the hostages are all safe. >> and when one hostage was released in the middle of all of this unharmed, that obviously, we don't know why particularly that hostage was released. that's a good sign, too. >> yes, things i have not noting over the course of the day that seems like good sign once again and nothing about this is good. you are looking for the opportunity to de-escalate the situation. all you care about is protecting the hostages who were in there and the place of worship. this is where they should feel safe and they're being held hostage and so the fact that he said publicly sort of apologizing, the fact that he seems to not know the synagogue so in other words he didn't have any ties there or hostility towards this particular synagogue. he didn't know the geography of the area. he's relatively new. he does not vhave a network tha was clear to him. the fbi felt this was an individual. over the course of the hour he releases a hostage. that's a good sign and basic physical things like exhaustion, fear and the adrenaline starts to wear off of him. these are the things that the fbi is looking and listening for to have the opportunity to go in. and that's given he did not surrender himself. i do not know whether he's alive or dead at this stage. that's the secondary story. that's the good news story is the hostages are safe. >> yes. as we have been saying the motivation of this hostage taker was a desire to see this person, siddiqui who was convicted of terrorist charges back in 2010. she became a real sort of vocal point for many islamists around the world. she featured in one of the isis video, a poster of her. what is obviously the risks of people like her becoming icons in the islamist world. we see it sort of play out here. >> exactly. part of her cult status is her gender. the very few woman who are not only terrorists but also are arrested. she becomes a martyr, she's being held in texas and part of that appeal to this radicalization is she's sort of the female isis, the female al-qaida and so she has this hora that we have been noting and those of us who follow radicalization have this strong appeal in radicalization. this is the horror for the jewish community here in the u.s. and throughout the world is we noted and we have been noting it from the right wing and they also have the focus on the jewish community in terms of hate and this instance it comes from -- i would say the traditional threat which is jihadist movement and had to be eradicated and isolated in the same way that we -- in ways that we have to address because the anti-semitism by pure numbers and just continues in this country and not acceptable by all standards of the stage. the short term near tragedy was resolved thankfully, the longer term issues is related to anti-semitism in this country by many hate groups need to be highlighted and shamed and prosecuted. >> yes, somebody else said, you said that sort of struck a cord too how many synagogues around the country having to have their own security these days. the reality of course is these places and any church and place of worship, it's very difficult to stop something like this. >> right, this is true for anyone who has worked with synagogues or family members who are apart of the synagogue. it's true for me after the tree of life incident in pennsylvania attack and killing most of them got fortified. that includes things like buzzers gelting into a synagogue. this is a horror in any community for synagogues which welcome outsiders and want others to come and understand the religion is that they actually had to block people from coming in. for any faith being welcome is part of what your faith is. you want people to understand your faith and understand you especially if you are a minority. jewish community has been deprived of that because of these hate crimes. it's something that i know certainly beyond and in my own life in terms of synagogues that i know in terms of the kind of security they have had to do to protect their congregates and of course rabbis and staff. that's something they have gotten used to in the last couple of years. >> law enforcement sort of the people you are working with over the years, sadly -- >> soft target is true. these are the bad news aspects of the time we live in. many of these synagogues have strong ties to local and state law enforcement. that's good they have a sense of what the building looks like and who may be in there and where certain parts of the synagogues are and where the rabbi's office may be. what we see in the united states is a sort of reach out so law enforcement would understand what the building ws would look like. 20 years ago there is no reason for officers to wonder what it looks like for what it looks inside. now a better understanding for the threat and environment for the synagogues. they are soft targets and they fortified themselves and they trained themselves and they worked with law enforcement to try to protect themselves. i will say one of the -- you look for the silver linings in the world that we are in. one of the nice things have come out is you did get a sense that there is always all these noises in the world how we all hate each other. you got a sense from this congregation and the muslim community, when people sitting around in their own community, they actually get along and they reach out to each other and so in some ways i hope that we can model ourselves after this community that none of us have ever heard of before today because the congregatnts who's been on air all day have really welcome rabbi. >> juliet, thank you so much. cnn's evan perez is joining me now from washington. what have you been hearing from your sources? >> reporter: michael, one of the things we are still trying to confirm here is what prompted this action by the rescue team. we know that they were staging in the area, they were getting ready to go in at the first sign of any trouble and you know they have been talking to this suspect, he's been erratic and you have to think, you know, the hostage that was released some hours ago provided the investigators with a lot of information about the status of things inside the building. the mental state that you can tell of the hostage taker. it gave them a good sense of what they were dealing with beyond the communications and the phone communications with the hostage taker. that's the information that was very, very important before they could go in and before they could try to rescue these remaining hostages. another thing is i think is important for us to point out, the fact they went in does not mean that the communications and negotiations failed. it's the opposite. the hours long communications between the fbi negotiator and the suspect was very important, it bought time to keep those hostages alive. it bought time for the rescue team to get in place and to be prepared to go in. those hours that they spend on the phone talking to him were extremely important in resolving this in a way where all four hostages were able to come out unharmed according to the police. now, the question now is who is this is person and they're still having to do that work. they have to use the fingerprints to try to confirm his identity. where did he come from? what is exactly this person's background and any connections at all with this community? we don't know a lot about what was going on behind the scenes there? i think to the fbi a lot of that work now begins to try to get to the bottom of how this came to past. >> evan perez, i appreciate that and ed lavandera and juliet kayyem, we got to take a quick break here, we'll be right back. we wanna buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate answer a few questions. and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds. when you're ready, we'll come to you, pay you on the spot and pick up your car, that's it. so ditch the old way of selling your car, and say hello to the new way at carvana. we're getting destroyed out there. we need a plan! i have a plan... right now at t-mobile customers on magenta max can get the new iphone 13 and t-mobile will pay for it! upgrade to the iphone 13 on us. can dove stop 98% of daily hair damage? sandra treats one lock of hair with dove. glowing areas represent hair damage. dove precisely repairs so there are almost no signs... of visible damage. dove intensive repair. number one beauty brand not tested on animals. at that time they were having service and services being broadcast across facebook and zoom. we began to get information that a gunman entered the synagogue and taken four individual s hostage. at that time our s.w.a.t. team responded to the area. we set up a perimeter and we began to evacuate the houses that were in the local area. we really appreciate all the people who were inconvenience by us asking them to stay away from the area. it was important for their safety. at some point in time immediately after that, we rece received backup reports from north richland hills backup team. once we heard of the hostage situation, i called the fbi and the fbi and atf and texas department public safety and all of our local partners all responded as well. we had nothing but phenomenal support from our state and local law enforcement and federal partners. at some point in time during the time we were negotiating with the subject for a period of time, all day, constant communication with him. he did release one hostage in the middle of the incident. that hostage was not harm and he's doing well now. the fbi called out the hostage rescue team which is an elite hostage rescue force out of quantico virginia. they got on the plane and flew out here. they brought 60 or 70 people from washington, d.c. to come and help with this situation. sometimes around 9:00 p.m. today this evening, the hr team, the hostage rescue team breached the synagogue, they rescued the three hostages and the suspect is deceased. this is a success due to the partnerships that we had with our local state and law enforcement partners. it has been an incredible operation. we had at least 200 law enforcement personnel here pretty much all day today. we could not have done it without them. we thank them. we thank the community as well. i am going to turn it over to disarno who's going to talk more about the incident and we'll take any questions that you may have. thank you very much. >> thank you, chief miller. i am in charge of the fbi of dallas. i am flying here with my federal partner, atf and texas dps and colleyville police department. today's results which was four hostages and the situation resolved was really a resulted of a long day of hard work by merely 200 law enforcement officers from across the region, local officers across the region. as the chief mentioned north richland hills and fbi and texas dps who you see all over this town today. i would like to highlight a couple of things. we used the north tarrant regional s.w.a.t. team who started the engagement here in the morning. transitioning into dallas fbi s.w.a.t. team and to the dallas rescue team. as chief miller says, our team is one of the crown jewels, their mission is to conduct and deliver and rescue hostages when necessary. we had a necessaity for that. i am extremely proud of the team and negotiators, fbi agents and local police officers who worked all day long and engaged in the subject and likely save the lives through the engagement. it's likely that this situation could end very bad had we not had negotiations with the subject. i do not have any information that indicate that is any ongoing threat. we'll investigate the hostage taker and his contact. we'll have global reach. we have been in contact with multiple fbi leads to include tel aviv in london, we have been looking at the jewish federation, i want to continue to do that throughout the country. we believe from our engagement in this subject, he was focused on one issue and it was not related to the jewish community but we'll continue to work to find motive and we'll continue. in terms of the incident, the hostage taker is deceased. we'll conduct an independent investigation, my response team will be here to process the scene and conduct an independent investigation of the shooting incident and that's where we handle those things throughout our normal procedures. i will warn you before we take questions that you may be frustrated of my inability to answer a whole lot of questions now because of the ongoing investigation and the shooting that occurred. i will not answer specific questions of the subject and we don't want to jeopardize any investigative leads into his motives of potential associates. we'll take questions at this time if anybody has them. >> have you identified the suspect? >> can you talk about why they decided to go in? >> i will answer the first question. we have identified the subject. we are not prepared to release his identity or confirm his identity at this time. >> did you know why the hrp decided to go in, did they sense something that was supposed to happen? >> that's apart of our investigation. there was a deliberate decision making process that i participated in and the hrt command structure participated in and made history. >> what can you tell us about his events? >> sir? >> were there any explosives? >> a lot of it was out on the facebook live stream of what was said on that. i am not going to add any specific information. >> what was said on the live stream, i can confirm that. i can't confirm that the investigation to this point has given it validity at this point. >> can you give us insights of the work negotiators did throughout the day, can you paint a picture of what it was like? was it constant communication throughout the entire day or were there ups and downs? >> the negotiation team had a high frequency and duration of contact with him. there were times when it stopped for periods of time and like many hostage situations, those the relationship between negotiators and hostage taker had been floating a little bit and sometimes got intense, these negotiators i am so proud of them. unbelievable work. really incredible work for ten hours. >> the four people that were rescued -- >> they are not in need of medical attention and they are with fbi agents and will b reunited with their families, unharmed. he did not harm them in any way. >> other than what you heard on the live stream, i am not ready to add anymore about it. there were specifically focused on one issue that was not specifically threaten to the jewish community. that was not the specific demand. >> where are the hostages now? >> i can't talk about that. >> were there explosive devices? >> i am not prepared to talk about that. >> one more question? >> does he have any ties in this area? >> that's apart of our investigation as we move into the investigation. >> thank you, sir. >> talk to me as a human being and what it has been like watching this play out in your own backyard. >> colleyville is one of the safetiest cities in city in texas. this is something you don't expect to have in your own city. the rabbi is a personal friend of mine. he's a close friend of mine and until obviously it's very personal as he was -- it's been put out in the media that he was one of hostages that was vofred in this. yes, it's extremely personal but i see a lot of hope and what we saw was a crisis here. there is a lot of hope and how the community came together. i received calls from my colleagues across the nation, i have received calls from people that i have not dealt with in many years across a lot of my career. this community and other churches have all reached out, food has been brought and our people have been cared for and so a lot of people play in today. i am al christian and i am a believer. i activated that prayer network and we are thankful that this came to a positive resolution. >> i am not going to get into that at this point in time. >> were they extremely dangerous? >> any other questions? i think that's still apart of the ongoing investigation. it's still an active crime scene. while the situation has been resolved, evidence response team from the fbi is going to be coming in and going to be processing that. bomb techs are clearing the scene as well. i don't have any information about that at this point. all the hostages were adults. >> could you give us the age? >> were there any synagogue members were inside were able to get out? >> it's unknown at this time. they're being interviewed by the fbi at this point. thank you very much. no, we don't have any information about why this particular location, why this synagogue. thank you very much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> all right, that news conference there wrapping up. we did learn a few things, the suspect is dead. we also heard that from the fbi he's been identified but they are not saying who he is. it was around 9:00 p.m. local time when the hostage rescue team breached the synagogue, went in obviously engaged the suspect who was killed. the three hostages remained inside the congregation in colleyville texas were brought out safe and well. the fbi dallas office say it was a resulted of a hard day by nearly 200 officers from across the region. they said it's likely this situation would have ended badly if not for the skills of negotiators. he described the negotiations as high-frequency and high duration, they did stop from time to time. the relationship ended and flowed and it was intense at that time. they're going to be investigating the suspect. the fbi says that'll be a global investigation, a global effort he said, they are processing the scene right now. gathering evidence. there were a lot of stuff they would not talk about but we have learned as fair bit from that news conference. i want to bring in our intelligence and security analyst bob behr to join me. we are listening to that, what did you learn from what you heard? >> well, i think the negotiators were listening to them very carefully and they probably at some point decided that he was unstable and the hostages were in some sort of imminent threat and they launched the breaching and as we know there was a loud explosion and that was probably a flash bang and grenade and in a situation like this, they automatically open up fire, there is no other way. we use to call it a combat entry. they did what they were supposed to. it sounds so far to me from the news report that he was a lone wolf. this was not particularly well planned out. he was not and didn't try to resist in any way that we know about. the hostage rescue one person. he probably -- no other people involved and he did not set up any traps for the hostage rescue team. this conspiracy theory of siddiqui was framed. this has been a conspiracy on the internet for a long time and there was no truth to it. he was motivated and i guess he's probably an unstable person and not part of a larger network. that could change when the evidence comes in though. >> yes, we heard the fbi say that they'll be investigating his contact and said that would be a global effort. what do you make from that? >> well, they'll do traces, for instance and in pakistan where siddiqui was from and as much as they can in dubai, what they are worried about is imminent threats against other parts of the united states. until you actually go through his phone and meta data, you don't know that. they have to expect the work. more tasks will follow. >> social media contact and into internet posting and all that. >> any part of islamic states and was he have anybody in his network. they don't know that. they'll pull out all the stops and there will be thousands of people including the cia vofred in thisinvestigation. lone wolves will continue to appear probably at this point and we have to believe that but they don't know that. >> you mentioned siddiqui convicted in terror charges back in 2010 for opening fire on americans and how she's become a sort of vocal figure in the islamist community. what are the risk of people like her attending that sort of status within the community and particularly among those who's willing to go and take action. >> the bad news is they truly believed she was framed and was not guilty of opening fire in american soldiers and fbi agents. the question is nonsense, a lot of witnesses and the question is what were she doing in afghanistan and in 2008. why was she abandoning her children. her lawyer said she should not have been in prison. she should be in a mental institution because she's crazy. that's what her own lawyer said. this is not what the community believes. they are driven by conspiracy theories and this is what causes people to act. >> yeah, the fbi said that he was singularly focused on one issue not specifically related to the jewish community. we do know siddiqui at her trial and throughout all of her activities was fearlessly anti-semitic. she demanded there is no jews. there is obviously some connection. do you think why this synagogue was picked? >> absolutely. this whole movement shaped off in anti-semitism and it's very easy for it to happen. it goes back to israel and the fact that in their mind, israel is a western conspiracy and an american conspiracy and the jewish community in the united states around the world to somehow responsible for this. of course, there is no truth to it at all. you know with afghanistan and iraq had nothing to do with the jewish community and anyone else. these people are driven by conspiracy theory and they are looking at over arching plots. synagogues became natural targets all throughout the united states and there is no way police can protect them all. they're very vulnerable. >> that's my next question. how do you deal with wh what -- many of these places have security but they're not tough targets either. >> we have seen this in new zealand and there is a couple of guys at the front door. i mean we are not in position in this country to put people in assault weapons in front of churches at synagogues. that's the unfortunate thing and there is nothing the fbi do can predict somebody who's insane and can easily get a hold of guns and believes in these conspiracy theories. these lone wolves. there is not much they could do about it except reacting very quickly. >> and from an intel perspective, how difficult is it to get tabs on somebody like this before they act. the intel community man daaged stop and a fairly considerable amount. what are they looking for? people are going through and for instance purchasing the gun and immediately getting on websites, they know where website are but there are so many people searching these websites including journalists and everybody else. i look at them occasionally. that does not mean anybody is going to act on this. for somebody when this conversion occurs in their mind when they have to resort to violence. it could be over night or a week before. these people know so many of them did and they are being watched in a sense and they don't announce what they're going to do in facebook. >> indeed. >> bob baer, thank you, i appreciate 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>> so this is what we call extending the runway. that's their goal. i live in the world of cable news so we want immediate answers and we want news to go quick. what they're trying to do is the exact opposite. they're trying to extend the runway. that's going to give the fbi more opportunities to either stop him or convince him to change his stance and convince him to giver up one hostages and potentially others. what you saw over the course of the day and this sort of glimmers we heard, the suspect who's now dead enters the synagogue and he said he apologizes -- they're trying to extend the runway. >> they just didn't have any transparency likely where the hostages is. from their perspective, the more time they could get from the hostage taker, the more they could exhaust him and the more they could tell them that they were listening and the more they could get him to concede certain things and understand how this was likely to end. it's only going to end in two ways and this was the better way that the hostages were safe. and that's what they did. to be honest over the course of the day, the longer it lasted the happier it got. feeling what i know about the fbi, they knew that the time was allowing them a way in based on whatever vulnerability he was exposing to them orally and physically in terms of his own exhaustion and the ability to contain any hostages. >> great analysis. stick around juliette as you have, we really appreciate it. ed lavandera has been on the scene for hours. i heard your voice during that news conference. tell us what you heard. >> reporter: rather struck by just how much information about the ending of this hostage situation that is still unclear at this point. you guys have done an amazing job talking over and about the hostage negotiation process which i thought was very insight full and really give us a sense of what it was like for hostage negotiators throughout the course of the day. this is an event that lasted nearly 11 hours and ending just after 9:00 central time here. there is still a lot that we don't know. we don't know the name authorities here telling us tonight they have identified the person, but they are not ready to release the suspect's identity. and then just exactly how it all ended and unable to say whether it was -- there was an exchange of gunfire, if the suspect was firing at the hostage rescue team that was going inside the synagogue and who killed or how the gunman or the suspect was killed. and all of those details still very much up in the air. at this point clearly what is sending waves of relief throughout the community here in colleyville is that all four hostages that were held in this synagogue for the better part of the day are all home safe. they're alive. they're not in need of medical physical attention, but the ordeal they have endured here today is probably not close to settling in at this point. so, you know, the trauma of what they have been through is something that i think many members of this congregation are really starting to focus on now here and especially coming up in the days ahead for all the people that were involved. >> yeah. what we didn't get either was really a -- and it was curious, too, try to find what the fbi agent said. he said that the suspect was singularly focused on one issue not specifically related to the jewish community, which i found curious because apparently the dead suspect was wanting to speak to this aafia siddiqui convicted on terror charges in 2010, serving 86 years in prison and fiercely anti-semitic. we have lost ed lavandera, unfortunately. we're going to take a quick break. we'll be right back. reason, or fun. daring, or thoughtful. sensitive, or strong. progress isn't either or progress is everything. ooh, i can't wait to get you home! ooh! i'm gonna eat you up when you get home. oh my goodness. oh yeah. i can't wait. i'm just gonna bite you! oh, baby. that looks amazing! marco's. pizza lovers get it. 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[ marcia ] clearchoice dental implants gave me the ability to take on the world. i feel so much better, and i think that that is the key. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. hello and welcome to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. i'm michael holmes. appreciate your company. and we are tracking breaking news out of texas where hostages were held for hours at a fort worth area synagogue. a little under two hours ago a loud bang and gunfire were heard in colleyville in texas. minutes later governor abbott prayers had been answered and all hostages were out alive and safe. now, we know the hostage taker is dead. it's believed the gunman stormed into the synagogue on saturday during a live streamed worship service. now, one of the hostages was released earlier in the day before law enforcement went in to save the others. here's how a police official described how the final hostages were rescued. >> the fbi called out the hostage rescue team, which is elite hostage rescue force-out of virginia. immediately they got on a plane and flew out here. i think they brought 60 or 70 people from washington, d.c. to come and help with the situation. some time around 9:00 p.m. today this evening the hrt, the hostage rescue team, breached the synagogue. they rescued the three hostages, and the subject is deceased. >> well, president biden has just released a statement, and i'll read it to you now. "thank tuesday the courageous work of state, local and federal law enforcement. four americans who were held hostage at a texas synagogue will soon be home with their families." the president goes on i'm grateful to the tireless work of law enforcement at all levels who acted fearlessly to rescue the hostages. we are sending love and strength to the members of the congregation beth israel, colleyville and the jewish community. the president finishes by saying, there is more we will learn in the days ahead about the motivations of the hostage taker, but let me be clear to anyone who intends to spread hate, we will stand against anti-semitism and against the rise of extremism in this country. that is who we are, and tonight the men and women of law enforcement made us all proud. that statement from the president, joe biden. cnn's ed lavandera on the scene for us in texas. you've been there for hour upon hour. ed, you were at that news conference we heard with the local police and the fbi. give us a sense of what we learned from that. >> reporter: well, as you mentioned we learned the suspect is dead. law enforcement says they know the identity of the person. there's been a great deal of confusion throughout the course of the day as to who exactly this suspect is and this hostage taker is, but law enforcement here saying they are not ready to announce who the person is as they continue investigative work. and that work now into the overnight hours will include going through what was essentially a crime scene inside the synagogue where all of this unfolded about two hours ago. and the shootout that started with a loud bang and then from our distance which is just about a quarter mile away, we heard that rapid fire of gun -- rapid gunfire, and that alerted us to the fact all of this was quickly starting to develop. law enforcement says they are not going to divulge the identity of the suspect, and they credited the tireless work of hostage negotiators that dealt with the suspect for hours and hours. they said the head of the fbi here in the dallas area said that it was the work of the negotiators that really determined the outcome and perhaps saved the lives of all four hostages in this situation. the fbi says that the hostage negotiators in the relationship with the suspect ebbed and flowed, that there were long periods of communication. and then at some points the communication would kind of end. so it sounded kind of reading between the lines here a very volatile situation throughout the day as hostage negotiators tried to prolong their conversations with the suspect. and essentially what that did, michael, is give a hostage rescue team that flew in from virginia time to get onto the ground here. there were 60 of them that flew in from virginia, and those were the ones that led the assault inside the synagogue to save the lives of the three remaining hostages. there had been one hostage who was released around 5:00 central time. so in the end there there were three hostages along with the suspect inside that synagogue. >> yeah. and we lost you last hour just before we were going to talk about this because i found that interesting that the fbi said he was singularly focused on one issue not specifically related to the jewish community. well, he was in a synagogue, of course, but he also had specifically referred to aafia siddiqui who was convicted of terror charges in 2010 and was fiercely anti-semitic and talked about that anti-semitism all the time. so there does seem to be a connection of sorts. >> reporter: yeah, there is. and i suspect in the weeks ahead that more better understanding of true motive behind this suspect will come to light. and a lot of this was based on, remember, there were a number of people especially the congregants of the synagogue who were watching sabbath services over the live stream, and they listened and watched what was going on inside that synagogue for more than an hour in what was described to us at times hysterical screaming, ranting and raving and kind of vacillating between these ups and downs of these mood swings that was reported to us that this suspect had. so a lot of the details we have at this point is coming from people who were watching this live stream and really kind of, you know, piecing together the bits and pieces that they were hearing in these rants on that live stream. so clearly much more work will be done here in the coming weeks so more on the motive as they dig deeper into who this suspect is and what connections he might have to other people around the world or here in the texas area. you know, a lot of unanswered questions on that front tonight. >> yeah. and i guess one of them is, you know, why that synagogue. give us a sense of the place, colleyville, where you are now. the police chief there, michael miller, he said one of safest cities in texas. this is just not the sort of thing you would expect to see. give us a sense of the place. >> reporter: you know, what strikes me is this a small synagogue, about 150 families are members of this church. this is not a prominent synagogue, you know, one of the more preeminent synagogues here in the dallas-fort worth area. and on top of that it is tucked away kind of hidden in a residential neighborhood surrounded by residential homes. it's not out on full display on a major boulevard here in the city of colleyville or anything like that. if you're not from here, you really have to go searching for this synagogue to find it. it's in very close proximity to dallas-fort worth international airport. as several congregation members described it to me today there are not a lot of members of the jewish faith here in this northeast tarrant county. but it was a synagogue that was really making its mark according to the members we spoke with today and specifically the rabbi who was held hostage here throughout the entire day. and they described the rabbi here of this synagogue as someone who has spent much of his tenure reaching out to other denominations, other faiths. we heard from muslim community members who had developed a strong friendship with this rabbi and said this rabbi was someone who had opened up their hearts and homes to members of the muslim faith here in northeast tarrant county and that was one of the reasons why they were so shocked and stunned that he would be targeted in this way. so as i mentioned just not -- really not the place you'd expect something like this to happen especially when you kind of consider and you look around the area we're in. >> ed lavandera who's been on this story from the beginning for hours now, appreciate your reporting. ed, thanks so much. i want to turn now to cnn's national security analyst julia kayyem. she serve as an assistant secretary at u.s. department of homeland security. julia, let's talk a bit about in your experience we heard from the news conference that the negotiators seemed to have been the heroes of the day according to the fbi spokesman there and talked about how it ebbed and flowed and got intense sometimes. what sorts of things, in your experience, would predicate a decision to go in? >> so just going back from the beginning of the day there was this sort of caricature of how law enforcement works or at least professional law enforcement. they're just going to run in and everything has to be fast and resolved. and the truth is for a hostage negotiator in most instances because it's not an active shooter situation, those are two different situations. in a hostage situation you're really trying to buy times. we call it you're trying to extend the runway and give more time. why are you buying time? the hostage may give up, may release -- the host mg taker may give up, he may release a hostage as we saw earlier today. he may tire, or he may become more agitated. even if he becomes more agitated that's giving the fbi -- basically they were on the ground for about 8 hours or 9 hours -- a lot of time to figure out how to get into the building and get the hostages out safely because those are precision operations, right? the boom, the entry and the protection of the hostages and as we know now the killing of the perpetrator. so that's basically what happened behind closed doors, rightfully so. you have the continuing negotiation, the buying of a long period of time and then the entry. what triggers it may either be -- it's either the hostage has exposed vulnerability and they're going to come in, or they've lost contact with the hostage taker and want to get in relatively quickly. >> we also heard they're going to be having an investigation, of course, a global investigation according to the fbi. what sorts of things are investigators going to be looking for? >> so it's -- if he was animated by the siddiqui aura, let's say, the sort of radicalization that comes from supporting siddiqui, a female al-qaeda member, someone who is in jail in texas. so we don't know if there's a relation there, the fact she happens to be in jail there. so was he radicalized because of just her cult-like status? or was he radicalized to do this, to sort of operationize her sort of anti-semitism? because like you, i don't see how you separate her from the anti-semitism of targeting a synagogue. or whether he was targeted or told to do something like this. i have to say just based on the evidence so far and my experience, i can tell you so he does not seem terribly sophisticated visually from what we're told from congregants. he's apologizing, animated, doesn't seem in control. he appears to have no exit strategy, chooses a synagogue that -- that he claims was because it was near an airport. so there was no reason to have chosen it except for geography. so they may believe he was both radicalized alone and acted alone. that is not to negate the radicalization that is occurring within terrorist organizations or within the jihadist organizations to target synagogues globally, which we're just seeing throughout the united states and the world. >> yeah. and there's a lot we're going to learn, a lot we don't know yet. but it doesn't seem massively sophisticated. as you say a small synagogue in the suburbs as ed lavandera was saying. you know, that just doesn't sound like it was particularly well thought out. and i guess that points to the difficulty of stopping such things as well. >> yeah. and also to the fear. in other words, you do things in your life you know are sort of higher profile, right? you go to a big super bowl you sort of -- there's some expectation you might be increasing your vulnerability. but, you know, you join a small synagogue in the suburbs in texas with 100 members or families, and it's that vulnerability that terror actually sort of breeds off of, that as a jewish american you're not safe anywhere, and we hear this through the jewish community. i work with many synagogues in terms of their safety and security, in terms of ensuring that they are safer. and the challenge or the horror of this for the community and those i speak to and my children are jewish is synagogues are meant to be open. in other words, most religious institutions are. they want people of their own faith to feel welcome, but they also want people of other faiths to be welcome and understand them. so the more you are forcing synagogues or any religious entity to become hard targets, right, you're also denying them their ability to practice their faith. and i think that's what you're hearing much more eloquently than me from members of the jewish community. but certainly from a security perspective there is a loss of going from being a soft target to a hard target that you can't measure in security terms, right? and i think that's what you're hearing today. >> yeah, great analysis. i mean, they said they were processing the scene now. what are they going to be looking for? >> so a couple -- so i think the most important thing is who was he? what was his social media or internet access? how did he get there? how did he choose that synagogue? so just basically -- in weird ways these are such elevated events but then they become quite traditional in their investigation. so you're going to have both the social media review, who was he in contact with as well as family, friends and others. throughout the day there was speculation about who he was and his relationship to siddiqui. we're not -- we don't know anything yet. remember she -- it's hard to explain her status in radicalization circles because she's both a woman and there's so few women and she's an educated woman. she's viewed as a -- siddiqui is the woman jailed in texas who this perpetrator alleges he wanted her free. she's viewed as being unfairly or not accurately convicted. and has become sort of a galvanizing force for a lot of the radical elements within -- not within islam but within violent islam that would do something like this. >> yeah. great 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[echoing] get a quote today. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ welcome back. the australian open tennis tournament starts monday. we're still waiting to hear whether the top seeded player, novack djokovic, is going to be allowed to play. at this hour federal judges are hearing his appeal of his canceled visa are deliberating. it's djokovic's last attempt to stay in the country after that visa was canceled a second time over concerns the unvaccinated star's presence could spur a r rise in anti-vaccine sentiment. good to see you again, ben. okay, so what's the latest on what the judges heard? and when might there be a decision? >> so we're waiting any minute now. the judges are deliberating after long arguments this morning and into the afternoon from djokovic's lawyers and government lawyers. basically the real onus is on the djokovic lawyers to overturn the existing recancellation of his visa. and they're running out of time. it's obviously just gotten scheduled just now. his first match is tomorrow night. time is of the essence here and deliberations are still going. on the legal side they need to prove that the minister was unjust in trying to say that djokovic's presence will excite further anti-vax sentiment or unrest in the country. that sense of further unrest further fertilizing the seeds of the anti-vax movement here really at the crux of this. and the government's argument is he's an influential guy and there's already more traction in anti-vaccine sentiment in serbia and maybe that will come in australia as more. there was actually a pretty substantial aecnti-vax protest outside the australian open yesterday. but that was because after the decision yesterday that was not brought up in the arguments. >> what are the concerns, and you and have talked about this before concerns about a potential djokovic appearance on court at the open after all that's happened could be really heated or even volatile. >> absolutely. no, i definitely have concerns as many other people do. just the security situation there and all the emotion that's been poured into this, the back and forth, the legal strife, the serbian nationalism that ties into it for many fans and sees djokovic as a symbol for their country. and they put him in the match which could mean things would have time to calm down. it could be a pretty volatile situation. it's definitely something the australian open needs to be aware of if djokovic takes the court and we don't know if he will. he'd still need to win a ruling today in order to be able to play. if he does, hopefully the security is ready to really contain things because it could be like you said a very volatile situation, absolutely. >> yeah, indeed. ben, appreciate the analysis. okay, for more on novack djokovic's saga and it is a saga, let's bring in "world sport" patrick snell. we've been discussing with ben what the reaction might be if he's on the court. to that point, what sort of impact would all of this have had on djokovic the player? >> reporter: yeah, the toll on the player himself, michael, remains to be seen. we know novack djokovic is famed really on thriving on adversity. his steely resistance proving the critics wrong, but there's no way he could have possibly ever prepared for this kind of scenario and all he's been through, two sessions, two stays in immigration detention and still fighting this, still not knowing, michael, 127 others players as well in the draw remember that. they just want to focus on the tennis. that was made very clear, wasn't it, during saturday's media day. and i think, you know, i want to turn to the words of the v venezuelan born spanish player who said it best and said this could have all been avoided had he simply got vaccinated. raffia nudal speaking a lot of sense when he came out and said no one player is bigger than the australian open whether it be him, roger federer, any of the greats from yesteryear. those kind of words, michael, say it all. they just want to get playing, but novack djokovic, even if he does get to play as ben was just saying and that is far from certain right now. by the way, to that point we do know he's playing his fellow serbian as well. that one is the second match after 7:00 p.m. melbourne time there on monday. it's going to be fascinating to see how this all plays out. will he take to the court? what frame, what state of mind will he be in should he get the go ahead to play? >> you know, you've got to wonder, pat, what happens with other tournaments? particularly i think the french open has said he can come on in, but then he's got to go on tour. there are matches in the u.s. where vaccination is mandated for nonresident visitors. what kind of year is he going to have at this rate? >> especially when you think at new york city and restrictions on indoor events as well. seemingly as of right now, but, michael, it's an ever changing world. seemingly having been given the go ahead there. as of right now he would be subjected to special protocols there for unvaccinated players. but, look, he desperately wants number 21. this is what it's all about. this is why he's so desperate and going to all these lengths to try to have a crack at competing at the australian open. he's the king of melbourne, right, michael? you know that better than anyone. he's going for number 10, unthinkable, a chance to become a ten-time australian men's open champion. ra raffia nadal is also there. look, he stumbled a bit in recent times trying to get to number 10. it was two years ago now when he was famously defaulted with that incident with the ball hitting the assistant lines person there at flushing meadows. that got him defaulted. and last year he gets to the final and he's beat in straight sets by the russian star medvedev, who by the way, i think i think is going to have a cracking australian open. you could say he's making it very difficult for himself to get to 21. >> exactly. and real quick before i let you go, do you think he's harmed his legacy? or will all of this be forgotten with the passing of time and people having very short memories? >> you know, let's just say his retirement is likely still a good few number of years away. he'll be 35 later on this year going into the french open. i think if he gets a few more grand slam titles under his belt, then that will be what he's talked about as the most successful and decorated men's player of all-time. but for some -- for some there will always be this asterisk and this stamp he's taken in the build up. this has been a build up the likes of which we've never, ever seen before. truly historic. back to you. >> yeah, you're absolutely right. gosh, there's been so little tennis involved so far at the australian open. hopefully that will change. patrick snell, always a pleasure, my friend. thank you. all right, still to come more of cnn's continuing coverage of the hostage situation at a texas synagogue. do stay with us. we'll be right back. ♪ you pour your heart into everything you do, which is a lot. so take care of that heart with lipton. because sippin' on unsweetened lipton can help support a healthy heart. lipton. stop chuggin'. start sippin'. 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prayers had been answered and all hostages were out. now, we know the hostage taker is dead. it's believed he stormed into the synagogue on saturday during a live streamed worship service. one of the hostages was released earlier in the day before law enforcement went in to save the others. a little over an hour ago law enforcement officials gave an update on how the entire standoff played out. this is what they said. >> i'm going to give you just some -- an update on what happened today. we've been out here all day. this morning at about 10:41 we received a 911 call regarding a disturbance at the 6100 block of pleasant run which is congregation beth israel. it's our local jewish synagogue. at that time they were having services, and those services were being broadcast across facebook and across zoom. and we began to get information that a gunman had entered the synagogue and taken four individuals hostage. at that time patrol resources responded to the area. we called out our s.w.a.t. team, the north tarrant regional s.w.a.t. team who responded. we setup a perimeter, and we began to evacuate the houses that were in the local area. we really appreciate all of the people who were inconvenienced by us asking them to stay away from the area, but it was important for their safety. at some point in time immediately after that we received some backup support from the s.w.a.t. team. once we heard there was a hostage situation i called the fbi. the fbi special agent in charge came out immediately, fbi, atf, hsi, texas department of public safety and all of our local partners all responded as well. we've had nothing but phenomenal support from our state and local law enforcement, federal partners. at some point in time during the time we were negotiating with the subject for a period of time all day, constant communication with him, he did release one hostage in the middle of the incident. that hostage was not harmed and he's doing well now. the fbi called out the hostage rescue team, which is an elite hostage rescue force-out of quant co, virginia. they immediately when the sac called, they got on a plane and flew out here. i think they brought 60 or 70 people from washington, d.c. to come and help with the situation. some time around 9:00 p.m. today, this evening the hrt, the hostage rescue team breached the synagogue. they rescued the three hostages, and the subject is deceased. i'd like to think this is a success due to the partnerships that we have with our local, state and federal law enforcement partners. it's been an incredible operation. we've had at least 200 law enforcement personnel here pretty much all day today. we couldn't have done it without them, and we thank them. we thank the community as well. i'm going to turn it over to sac desorno going to talk more about the incident specifically and we'll be here to take any questions you may have. thank you very much. >> thank you, chief miller. again, i'm the special agent in charge of fbi dallas, and i'm flagged today by my federal partners from atf, hsi, dhs headquarters, texas dps and colleyville police department. so today's result which was four safe hostages and the situation resolved was really -- was really the result of a long day of hard work by nearly 200 law enforcement officers from across this region, local officers from across this region. as the chief mentioned colleyville, obviously, the fbi atf, hsi and texas dps who you see all over this town today. i would like to highlight a couple of things. we used the north tarrant regional s.w.a.t. team who started the engagement here in the morning, transitioned to dallas fbi s.w.a.t. team and ultimately to the hostage rescue team and the dallas fbi s.w.a.t. team holding the perimeter. as chief miller said the hostage rescue team are considered one of the crown jewels of our organization. their mission is to conduct deliberate hostage rescues when necessary. in this case we had a necessity for that, and they were successful. very proud of them. also extremely proud of the team of negotiators, fbi agents and local police officers who worked all day long engaging the subject and likely saved the lives of subjects just through their engagement. it's very likely this situation would have ended very badly early on in the day had we not had professional, consistent negotiation with the subject. i do not have any information right now that indicates that this is a part of any kind of ongoing threat. we are investigating. we'll continue to investigate the hostage taker. we'll continue to investigate his contacts. our investigation will have global reach. we have been in contact already with multiple fbi legats to include tel aviv and london. we've been working closely with the close secure network and jewish federation, and we will continue to do that throughout the country. >> now we have a cnn intelligence and security analyst that joins me now. he's also a former cia operative and author of the book "the perfect kill, 21 laws for assassins." bob, first of all, in your experience what sort of things would have triggered the hostage rescue team to go in when they did? who makes that call and what would have precipitated it? >> well, the negotiators would have and sac on the ground there. it's not something you defer to washington. i think what they realized probably fairly on is who this guy was and he was unstable. let's not forget the fbi would prefer not to kill anybody because a hostage rescue can never be 100% assured. you just don't know what's going on. the hostages could be moved at the last second before they go in. if they're using flash bang grenades and he's moved to a different room and he hasn't been stunned, he could kill all the hostages, which is the last thing the s.w.a.t. teams want. so i think they were probably getting very nervous toward the end, and they could have outwaited this guy until he -- as amazing as it sounds, until he fell asleep. but they decided he was so unstable they had to go in and use weapons. >> we heard the fbi say it's very likely this situation would have ended badly if not for the skills of negotiators. speak about their role. they're on the phone with this guy for hours, and according the to the fbi it was high frequency in duration. it stopped from time to time. the relationship ebbed and flowed, was intense at times. what are these negotiators trying to do? >> well, they want to know what he wants, first of all. and if he wants siddiqui released, we don't know that for sure, the hostage negotiator is going to say, well, what's going to happen if we do? what will happen to her? and they'll carry this on so there's some hope in his mind so he doesn't start shooting the hostages. and they do -- they practice this so much and do it so well, and that's sort of what they devoted their careers to is talking to people on the phone -- >> it's a career, isn't it? >> they're just -- and it's the same way with the shooters, the assaulters go in. it's amazing the amount of training they go through to act quickly. because when you're firing assault weapons in a closed in area the chances of hitting a hostage unless you're very well trained are very high, and they know that. >> yeah, it's a pretty special job. and the other thing he said too they're going to be obviously investigating his contacts and said it's going to be a global effort. how do you see that playing out? what are they going to be looking for? >> well, it's the international calls, first of all. and they're going to be getting into his facebook. earlier i said that, you know, probably no sign he was violent on facebook. but since then people have told me probably come up with something, but let's not forget facebook is a fire hose so he may have a record on, you know, social media. but what they really want to look is if he were recruited by somebody overseas. and so the first thing they're going to do is look at international calls to pakistan. if, in fact -- we actually don't know for sure he was a radical islamist at this point, so they're going to look into that. and who does he follow? is it somebody in afghanistan, central asia? we just don't know at this point. he was encouraged to attack this synagogue, that's what they're looking for. >> it's interesting, too. when you look at it a small synagogue in a suburb in a quiet part of town or city in texas, it doesn't seem terribly well organized, does it? i mean, what were your thoughts on that? did you get that sense? and the other thing, too, when it comes to someone like this and looking into his facebook or whatever, how hard is it to actually i.d. someone before they do something? >> it's very hard because there's so many crazy people on the internet, michael. it's amazing. and, you know, you're just going through them all the time, and you run these people down and it turns out they're sort of harmless. and, you know, unless this guy has committed an act of violence in the past, it's not something they can put together at the last minute. and especially if he did it at the spur-of-the-moment. and you're absolutely right, it was not well organized. it was -- i wouldn't be surprised if he's from somewhere in that area. i doubt that he traveled there. you know, he could have hit another target. so he wakes up one morning and says this a great act of justice and i've got to do it now. of course there's something wrong in his head. >> yeah, bob baer, always good to have your expertise in situations like this. appreciate your time. thanks, bob. >> thank you. all right, we will take a quick break here. we will be back with more after this. i've been stripping here for years. i strip before take-off. breathe right strips open your nose for relief you can feel right away, helping you take in air more easily, wherever you are. at vanguard, you're more than just an investor, you're an owner with access to financial advice, tools and a 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