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new variant. >> have they had a booster shot yet? >> to my knowledge no. >> reporter: they returned to the united states on november 22nd and tested positive a week later and isolating as close contacts are being traced and tested. >> all close contacts thus far have tested negative. >> reporter: the news coming as the cdc prepares to tighten testing restrictions on all travelers entering the united states shortening the time frame for a negative test from 72 hours to 24. >> this person, i mean, did what we hope other people would do. they got off and as soon as they became symptomatic, they went and got tested and it was positive. >> reporter: a mandatory quarantine not under consideration as dr. fauci is calling on the 100 million eligible americans who have yet to get boosted to do so. >> if you look at the peak following the third shot boost, it goes way up here. >> reporter: fauci warning not to wait for a omicron tailored booster shot. >> the mistake people make is to say let me wait and see if we get one. >> reporter: more than 20 countries detected the variant in their nation raising questions about the value of travel bans. >> no one feels, i certainly don't, that a travel ban will prevent people who are infected from coming to the united states. but we needed to buy some time. >> reporter: fauci offering this advice for americans hoping to attend holiday parties. >> indoor typesetting settings know family is vaccinated you can feel safe not wearing a mask but when you're in a public congregate setting you do not know the vaccination status of the people involved, it's very prudent to wear a mask. >> reporter: tomorrow president biden is set to deliver a comprehensive speech laying out his plan for combatting covid in the coming months. >> we'll fight this virus with science and speed, not chaos and confusion. >> reporter: don, we're learning the white house is expected to take a step extending the mask mandate on travel. of course, that comes on airplanes, on trains, all of this mass transit purpose you have to wear a mask for for the last several months, we expect the biden administration to extend that now that they're concerned about variants popping up in the united states. >> kaitlan collins, thank you for that. appreciate it. joining me is a professor of emergency medicine at brown university. doctor, so good to have you. let's discuss this. we're learning new details about the first case of the om kran var -- omicron variant detected in the u.s. is it a matter of time before we start hearing about community spread, that it's spreading among folks? >> that is exactly right. this is the first of many cases that will be reported over the coming days and over the coming weeks, we'll start hearing about community spread. i expect most of the initial cases will be travelers who will be a little more alert to the fact they may have this new variant like when covid-19 was first identified in the united states going back to february of 2020, we found it in folks that had been to china and italy, even though in reality it had been here for awhile, we haven't identified it yet. same thing with omicron. it's why wearing masks in public settings is important and vaccinations and boosters matter, too. >> look, if there is, you know, a positive in all of this, it's important to note this person had mild symptoms and they are now improving and they were vaccinated but they weren't boosted yet. what do you make of that? >> so this says to me that the vaccines still work for the things that matter most, which are avoiding severe disease, hospitalization and death. now, i will make the cav yacht as a scientist that this is only one person but this mirrors who is being reported out of south africa, the sickest patients are the unvaccinated. that's a very reassuring sign and there are also reinforcements that importance of going out and getting your booster if you are six months from that primary series of vaccines. >> doctor, testing is a critical part of identifying a new variant, but that's still a major problem in the u.s. how concerning is that? >> it's not just a problem, it is a problem that has gotten considerably worse over the last couple of months as the number of those large mass testing centers have shut down. so what i'm telling folks is there are two things you can do. the first is if you are symptomatic, you can use one of those rapid abntigen tests that can be bought at any drugstore. after that, pharmacies, places like cvs and walgreens are often the best place to go to get a pcr. the other part is trying to find out whether or not what you have is regular covid or comicron. they can be a quick and dirty test for the health department and you may never find the variant you have. isolate if god forbid you have a positive test. >> you know, doctor, we keep hearing from officials don't panic about omicron but a lot of my family and friends are out and worried about upcoming holiday travel plans. do you have any hesitation? do you have any advice, any words of wisdom here, please? >> i am among those. i have family celebrations planned. i have our first airplane trip, my little guy will finally be fully vaccinated when we booked an international trip for the first time since 2019. what i'm telling folks including my own family is hit pause, look into your cancellation policies but don't panic yet. today is not the time to cancel plans. make sure you're vaccinated. have your masks ready. we'll know a lot more in one to two weeks about how bad this variant is, how quickly it spreads and how dangerous it is. >> yeah. look, i went from the planning stage with my mom with her to a nope, just really concerned. so i'm trying to find positive news to get her to actually come visit me here for the holidays. listen, tomorrow president biden is expected to layout a comprehensive plan for fighting covid in the coming months. what's the most critical thing that needs to happen here? >> there are a couple really important things. the first is i want to see a vaccine mandate for all international travelers, not just foreign nationals but also american citizens. i would of course love to see that domestically, as well but the chance of that is little to known. ex end tl tend extending the mask mandate is important. i want the federal government to step up in terms of rapid testing availability, pcr availability and most importantly, step up in terms of supporting health care workers. don, we're so exhausted after the last year and a half. the e.r.s and hospitals are full not just of covid patients but the medical, surgical and trama problems that have ballooned over the course of the pandemic. there is no space at the end and i would love to see the federal government step up and provide a little support for all of us to help us get through this inevitable winter surge. >> i was just speaking to a friend yesterday and her wife was a front line worker and burnt out and can't go to work anymore. i can certainly understand why. they've been under so much stress over the last couple years. thank you, doctor, appreciate it. >> thank you. the battle over roe v wade front and center at the supreme court today. justices hearing orging argumen banning abortion after 15 weeks. i want to bring in jeffrey to toobin. good to see you, jeffrey. >> hi, don. >> you said this would happen. do you think the votes are there to overturn roe v wade. >> i wasn't sure before the oral argument and sometimes you can read too much into what justices say, but there were five justices today who looked very ready to overturn roe versus wade. the five first conservatives, kavanaugh and barrett, chief justice roberts tried to suggest that maybe there was an interim position you uphold the mississippi law but you don't specifically overturn roe versus wade and none of the other five conservatives seemed remotely interested and brett kavanaugh and other conservatives say we overturn precedents sometimes. there is nothing unusual or wrong with that and roe v wade looks next. >> listen to what some of the conservative justices said. >> but if it really is an issue october choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time? >> the fetus has an interest in having a life and that doesn't change, does it, from the point before viability to the point after viability? >> the reason this issue is hard is that you can't accommodate both interests. you have to pick. that's the fund mamental proble >> i thought he said this was settled at his hearings. >> and susan collins based the vote for his confirmation on the idea it was settled. that was then. >> that was then. conservatives have been working for a long time to get a court like this. >> decades. decades. the supreme court has been the great conservative project and roe v wade is the great target of that project and they thought they came close in 1992 when the casey decision came out. they were surprised what david suitor and sandra day o'connor republican appointees voted to uphold roe versus wade. the scrutiny that republican appointees to the court have gotten since then is very different. they have been scrubbed to make sure that they will vote to overturn roe v wade and today we look -- it looked to me at least like that effort is on the verge of success. >> who do those hearings -- do they even matter? because kavanaugh said confirmation, he said a string of important cases that overturned precedent he talked about but he said this had been subtle. i think he said it was case on case precedent and this was a settled issue. >> that's right, he said casey was on top of roe v wade so it's a double precedent in effect. chuck schumer who i've interviewed many times about the supreme court va cancies said a this point he basically ignores the hearings because everybody knows the script they have to follow in order to get confirmed and the only thing we should look at is what the presidents look at when they appoint the justices which is their record. if you look at kavanaugh's record and barrett's record, gorsuch's record, you can see why donald trump said in one of the debates with hillary clinton if i get elected president, it's going to be automatic that roe v wade gets overturned and i think he's going to be proven right by that. >> i want to play something i heard from justice sonia s soni sotomayor. >> will this institution survive the stench that this creates in the public perception and that the constitution and its reading are just political acts? i don't see how it's possible if people actually believe it's all political, how will we survive? how will the court survive? >> you have an answer for that? >> stench. that's not a word you hear justices talking about with their own -- stench. that's a pretty tough word. you know, justice robert jackson that served in the 40s and 50s had something he said about the supreme court that i always remember. we're not final because we're infallible. we are infallible because we are final. in other words, somebody has got to have a last word. it doesn't mean we're always right but the system has been set up that we have the last word so she says how will we survive? our system needs a last word about what is constitutional. doesn't mean people will like it. doesn't mean people will respect the court perhaps the way they do now but this is the system that we're stuck with for better or worse. >> for better or worse, elections. it's a cliche. have consequences. >> they sure do. all i can say is yes. >> thank you, jeffrey. appreciate it. chilling new details about the 15-year-old suspect in the deadly shooting, school shooting in michigan. i'll talk to the sheriff. he's next. d buying a car 100% o. now we've created a brand-new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few years old. we wanna buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate answer a few questions. and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds. when you're ready, we'll come to you, pay you on the spot and pick up your car, that's it. so ditch the old way of selling your car, and say hello to the new way at carvana. off menu: when you watch a chef do it, they don't rush through this stage. why we drive: few of us will ever dive so deep into our cars, but those who do venture down into the nuts and bolts... the dollar rebellion: when you wake up and face a challenge, you have to give all of yourself when you do something, and that's when you do your best. the happiness lab: when was the last time you took a second to look up at the blue sky and the trees? 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what do you know? >> you know, i can't get into great detail because we're in the handoff face where it becomes investigation to prosecution but i can tell you it's chilling. it's disturbing, and from all the evidence that i've seen and also being on the scene, seeing the actual site being in the school, you know, i've seen a lot of death and bodies in my career but any time you see children, it's somehow much a bigger gut punch on so many different levels and being in that school and seeing the victims, seeing the chaos of that moment and knowing and seeing because we actually have video, him carrying out these devastating attacks is incredibly sad, disturbing and also for me, it makes me quite angry. >> the big question is why? that's what everyone wants to know. if you uncovered any possible motive? do you have videos? been talking to people? he's in custody. >> he's not speaking with us. in michigan under the current statutes it says if we are going to interview or interrogate a juvenile, the parents have to give permission and they have refused permission so we're not talking to the parents or the individual that now has been charged. i certainly believe and have seen some of the evidence which i think will portray some of the direction why he decided to do it but again, there is absolutely nothing that could ever lead anybody to see that this would be a reasonable thing to do regardless of what their thinking or feeling and i want to put to rest, we have no evidence he was ever bullied by anyone. we have no information that's come to us on that level. that's a rumor that's floating around and that's false. >> sheriff, i want to play something on cnn earlier. the oakland county prosecutor was on tonight. she was asked about potential charges for the parents. listen to this. >> i've made it very clear that we are -- there are likely potential additional charges, which we intend to announce very soon. with the right of owning a gun comes responsibility. and the responsibility of a gun owner is to securely store that weapon and to keep it out of the hands of somebody who could kill people. and in this case, that does not seem to have happened but again, we're still investigating that. >> is it concerning to you, the father of the suspected shooter bought the weapon just days before the shooting? and what do you think of what she said? >> yeah, well, the whole thing is obviously tragic and concerning to me and the whole community. that's part of our investigation right now is to determine how he came into possession of the weapon. i mean, we know for a fact, obviously, him merely possessing the weapon is a crime. him taking it into a school is another crime even before he began to pull the trigger. how he became in possession of that whether he was given it, which would make it a crime or stole it. that will be key information that we attempt to learn and then present to the prosecutor to allow her to make an informed charging decision. >> you know, sheriff, a fourth student died in the hospital today justin shilling. 17 years old. absolutely tragic and on a personal level, though, how has this affected you and has has it affected your community? >> it's gut wrenching. i can't tell you how many people have been touched and affected even those outside of this particular school district. a lot of people and parents kept their kids home. sadly, we've had a host of copy cat threats across the county and country. we've been working on about ten copy cat kinds of threats. so it's just been a get wrenching 48 hours and on so many levels but the parents in the community are rallying around to support the victims of this and to do everything they can to help and that's what makes oxford the community that it is. it's character. >> sheriff, thank you, sir. appreciate your joining us. >> thank you. and we also want to report to you tragic news tonight in los angeles. jack lielyn avon shot and kille early this morning inside their beverly hills home. police saying there is a chance she may have been targeted. an investigation is on going. in a statement jackelyn avon's family remembered her as a wife, mother and fa lan traand. sobbing over what he did and apologizing, michael fanone is here to respond. he's next. >> man: what's my safelite story? 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[crying] i thought he was -- i thought we were doing the right thing. >> look, michael, multiple rioters are saying trump motivated them to show up on the 6th. what do you think of all that? >> i think it shows how dangerous political rhetoric can be. you know, these people clearly were manipulated by the lies, you know, spoken by donald trump, his sick offense. they believed that they were ordered to go there, that they were directed to go there, that they were doing what was right. you know, these people are not patriots. these were misfits morons and mall contents. a lot of them harbored some pretty significant anti-government views. and this is the army that trump assembled to try to subvert the election over throw the government. >> just today a federal judge suggested that trump and others who spoke at the stop the steal rally on january 6th should be held accountable for stoking the crowd. i mean, that hasn't happened yet. why do you think that is? >> i have no idea. but it seems tore be par for th course. i see politicians hiding behind the idea of political speak saying things that, you know, in my view is insightful, that there's a direct correlation to violent acts on both sides of the political aisle but specifically january 6th. >> let's hear more from that interview with rodriguez and then we'll talk. >> you felt they stole the election, thought they stole this country that it's gone. it wiped out. america is over. it's destroyed now. >> so if you took the capitol then what? >> i don't know. we just thought that -- i don't know. it was stupid and ignorant and i see that it's a big joke that we thought we were going to save this country. >> all of it based on a lie. what kind of consequences do you think the riots should face? >> i mean, i want accountability. you know, anyone that's willing to accept responsibility specifically the defendants charged in my assault i forgive them. but i want them to be held accountable. i want, you know, i want the individuals who led them, directed them to the capitol that day to be held accountable, as well. >> that was a question that i was going to ask you. i said i'll ask you later is if you forgive him. >> i do. >> why? >> i mean, i don't want to carry, you know, the anger and hatred of that event around with me for the rest of my life. and also, in a lot of ways i think my experience as a police officer allows me to come compartmentalize what happened to me as an individual but i do want accountability for officer michael fanone. and all the other officers that responded to the capitol, the true patriots that day. >> are you worried it will happen again? >> i am. i mean, i see a continuation of the same political rhetoric that was used in the weeks, months, leading up to january 6th being utilized today with very little, if any accountability. i mean, i see, you know, individuals, members of congress, elected leaders making some of the most outrageous statements and claims publicly and what is accountability for them? they get, you know, stood in front of colleagues in the well of, you know, on the house floor wearing a proverbial cap and having somebody read off a list of their wrongdoings. that doesn't work with my 6-year-old, i don't think it's going to work with a grown adult. >> you know, i've watched liz cheney and i think we were on the phone today we were talking about liz cheney and adam king kinzinger. do you feel that way what you do with your work with law enforcement. many people in law enforcement are supporters of the president and i know they haven't said, not all of them, you've had some support, nice things or kind things about you. >> i mean, i've had thousands upon thousands of americans take the time to sit down and hand write me letters thanking me for what i did and not just me but also all the officers that responded that day and fought to preserve democracy and, you know, to save the lives of members of congress and their staff. i feel supported. i think it's unfortunate that people fall pray to or susceptible to political pandering. some of the red hetoric used bye former president because i don't believe he cares about law enforcement anymore than he cares about america, democracy or constitution. he cares about lining his poc pockets. >> michael fanone. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> talk to you soon. see you. so, he comes under fire for making claims about so-called miracle cures often without medical evidence. now tv personality dr. oz is making a run for u.s. senate seat in pennsylvania. as a republican. ♪ this flag isn't backwards. it's facing this way because it's moving forward. ♪ just like the men and women who wear it on their uniforms and the country it represents. they're all only meant to move one direction which is why we fly it this way on the flanks of the all-new grand wagoneer. moving boldly and unstoppably forward. my hygienist cleans with a round head. so does my oral-b my hygienist personalizes my cleaning. so does my oral-b oral-b delivers the wow of a professional clean feel every day. whatever stereotype you're gonna try . . . . . . to put on me about having hiv isn't gonna fit. that's for sure. my name is zach and i'm on biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment . . . . . . used for hiv in certain adults. it's not a cure but with one small . . . . . . pill, biktarvy fights hiv . . . . . . to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a build-up of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your doctor about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding . . . . . . or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b, do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your doctor. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. if you're living with hiv . . . . . . keep loving who you are. and ask your doctor if biktarvy is right for you. dr. osz z wants to take his career in a new direction. for his tv show he's faced a lot of criticism for pushing claims that lack evidence and now dr. oz is running for the u.s. senate in pennsylvania as a republican. more tonight from cnn's randi kaye. >> all right. i want to challenge you. >> reporter: his audiences watch in awe as dr. oz pushes merirac treatments or cures that often lack medical evidence to back it up. >> i have a number one miracle vile to burn your fat. we're kicking it off with what i believe is one of most important discoveries we made to help you burn fat faster. green coffee bean extract. >> reporter: dr. oz also once claimed putting a bar of lavender soap in your bed can help prevent restless leg syndrome but nothing like the showmanship for rapid belly melt demonstration. he used it to promote another questionable fat burning product he called lightning in a bottle. >> this is what it does to your belly fat. whoa. as it burns it away, what is left behind? >> muscle. >> muscle. >> reporter: more recently, he made claims during the pandemic critics called medical misinformation. >> i would take it myself if i had issues with the virus. >> reporter: that's dr. oz speaking with larry king about using the controversial anti malaria drug hydroxychloroquine to fight the coronavirus. remarks he later walked back. >> because it's believed to be so safe, it's used widely and it turns out that it might have an effect against this virus. >> reporter: the fact is, the cdc has noted the drug's efficacy to prevent or treat this infection are unknown. it's warned that unsupervised use of hydroxychloroquine can cause serious health consequences including death. >> i think weaver got to be careful that we don't make that majestic leap to assume this is a miracle drug. >> reporter: 3% total mortality due to covid was worth the cost to some to reopen schools. >> i saw a nice piece arguing that the opening of schools may only cost us 2 or 3% in terms of total mortality. >> reporter: the backlash was swift and oz later said he misspoke. a 2014 study in the british medical journal found a 40 randomly selected episodes from oz' television show, his health recommendations were based on evidence 46% of the time. >> here is what we're going to do. >> reporter: the following year a group of doctors and professors sent this letter to dean of medicine asking him to remove dr. oz who is a trained heart surgeon from his faculty position. the group cited oz' egregious lack of integrity promoting cures in interest of personal financial gain. colombia stood by him. but in recent years, dr. oz has also had to answer to a senate committee which also questioned his advertising of unproven weight loss products. >> i don't get why you need to say this stuff because you know it's not true. so why when you have this amazing megaphone and this amazing ability to communicate, why would you cheapen your show by saying things like that? >> i recognize that often times they don't have the scientific muster to prevent as fact. >> reporter: if dr. oz has his way, he'll soon trade television for the u.s. senate and likely work with some who already question his ethics. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> randi, thanks for that. does dr. oz have a chance in pennsylvania? that's a question. we have a pennsylvania expert here. charlie dent is next. iter teeth. its highly active peroxide droplets... ...swipe on in seconds. better. faster. 100% whiter teeth. shop crestwhitesmile.com. from the very first touch, pampers, the #1 pediatrician recommended brand, helps keep baby's skin drier and healthier. so every touch will protect like the first. pampers (man) so when in doubt, just say, "let me talk to my manager." next, carvana's 100% online shopping experience. oh, man. carvana lets people buy a car-- get this-- from their couch. oh, how disruptive. no salesman there to help me pick out the car i need. how does anyone find a car on this site without someone like us checking in? 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>> don, i think the answer to that question is absolutely not. especially when you're a celebrity -- by the way, i might be one of the only people in america who's never watched his show. but some of these quack theories or therapies he's been promoting, he'll have to answer for. but i think he actually has a bigger problem than his celebrity, or notoriety in this case. his bigger problem i think is his residency. you know, he's from cleveland. he lives in bergen county, new jersey as i understand it. which is right near new york city. and really doesn't live in pennsylvania. his mother-in-law apparently does. and in 2004, don, i came to congress. i beat a guy who didn't live in the district in which i was running in. he lived in the philadelphia main line. he might as well have been prfrom mars. it was what we call an 80% issue. it was an issue that was disqualifying for that candidate. i would just argue that try to explain to people around the state that why are you running for the u.s. senate when you really haven't lived there? how could you possibly represent people that you don't know? i think that's a bigger problem for him. >> look, it's interesting because i was telling the folks in the studio here, i have to do my job, i know dr. oz. i'm not good friends with him but i know him. i see him socially. the nicest guy, at least from the interactions that i've had with him. but there are all these allegations. he did have to testify. i mean, he's already appeared on the fox propaganda network sounding very trumpian. he's talked about america's values being under attack. is this the model the gop now needs to use in order to win here? >> it seems to be -- like you said, don, it sounds like he's a nice man. in fact, he has said that arnold schwarzenegger was his role model. and arnold schwarzenegger was a very moderate republican. but i think he has done like so many, they have transformed themselves into something that they are not in order to win a nomination. that's what it appears dr. oz is doing. even though as you say he's a nice guy and he's a self-described -- he called himself once a moderate republican. well, that's not how he's positioning himself in this primary. but yeah, that's the sorry state of affairs, that in order to win a primary they think they need to get so far over to get trump's endorsement. that didn't work so well for sean parnell who trump endorsed and had to drop out of the race because of credible accusations from his wife for beating the children and trying to strangle h her. he's out of the race. that's what happened. but these candidates are going -- they're behaving in ways that are outside of their normal character and persona. >> name recognition, celebrity, notoriety can hurt you equally as much as it can help you depending on what you've said and done, your actions in the past. thank you, charlie. good to see you. >> good to see you, don. have a good night. >> thank you. you as well. thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. temperature balancing, so you both sleep just right. and it senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both effortlessly comfortable. so, you can really promise better sleep? 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