a bitter duel with republican businessman glenn youngkin. >> the entire nation is watching this. all eyes are on virginia. >> reporter: a year after president biden won the commonwealth by ten points, republicans are riding a wave of energy. they hope to spark a party resurgence as democrats scramble to keep their party together, and avoid an embarrassing defeat. >> there is not going to be a democrat in any seat anywhere in this nation who is going to think that his or her seat is safe. >> reporter: virginia elects its governors the year after the presidential race. since 1970, the party out of power in the white house has won every time, except once in 2013 when mcauliffe narrowly carried the state after president obama's re-election. >> we can't get this done unless we keep this positive momentum going. >> reporter: this time, the political headwinds facing democrats are strong even with a parade of party stars visiting over the last month. tonight, more than 1.1 million virginians have already voted casting their ballots early. aides to both campaigns tell cnn they expect a record turnout for a governor's race with most of the electorate voting on tuesday. the race has emerged as a proxy war for the popularity of the current president and the former one. >> that's what you get with glenn trumpkin. >> with donald trump set to call into a rally tonight after praising youngkin in a new statement saying, we get along very well together and strongly believer in many of the same policies. hoping to whoo independent voters, mcauliffe has repeatedly tried tying youngkin to trump. >> donald trump and glenn youngkin are trying to run down the democracy of this country, and we will not tolerate it. >> reporter: for months, youngkin has walked a careful line on the trump tightrope. trying to energize the former president's loyal followers without alienating independents and even republicans turned off by trump. from vaccine mandates to what kids learn and read in the classroom. it's put the power of the parents' movement at the center of the race. >> this is no longer a campaign. this is a movement led by parents, led by virginians. >> reporter: jeff zeleny, cnn, fairfax, virginia. >> all right, jeff, thank you very much. i want to bring in now cnn senior political analyst, mr. ron brownstein and political commentator scott jennings. and in this corner -- i'm kidding, it's not going to be any of that. good to see both of you. ron, i am going to start with you. we are less than an hour away from election day, and all eyes are on virginia. i spoke to larry sabato earlier. he thinks this race is leaning towards glenn youngkin. how worried are democrats tonight? >> they're worried. look. i mean, in every election since 1977, except for one in 2013, the virginia governor's race has gone the opposite of the way that the -- the presidential race went. >> okay. okay. ron. ron. so, with that said, then why all the hyperventilating and people getting the vapor about, oh my gosh, terry mcauliffe could lose? i mean, that's what history has showed, right? >> well, right. the main reason, don, is the state has become more democratic, you know, over the last decade than it was through all of that history when it was a purple state or even republican leaning in the 1990s. look. i don't think terry mcauliffe losing guarantees that democrats have a bad election in 2022. but what it does tell them is that if the political environment stays the same, whether he wins by a point or loses by a point, it is going to be a tough, you know, environment for them to run in if joe biden is still at 42, 43% nationally. i mean, basically, what this tells democrats, either way, is that job one has to be rebuilding biden's popularity between now and next november through any means they can because that is the biggest undertoe that mcauliffe is facing. >> why are you shaking your head there, scott? >> i agree with a lot of what ron was saying there. i think, first of all, the point you made about virginia becoming a blue state. it's absolutely true. i mean, joe biden won the state by ten points. i think for republicans to be within spitting distance of this thing is -- is miraculous in some ways when you look at the trend of virginia. i know what the history is but -- but this thing's gotten very democratic over the years and what republicans are looking for here, whether youngkin wins or loses, i think he's -- i think he's a slight favorite. i agree with larry sabato. what they are looking for here is does this party have a path back electorally in the suburbs? and what we have seen out of the youngkin campaign is a heavy focus on schools, a heavy focus on crime, and a heavy focus on, you know, kitchen-table economic issues to see if they can move those suburban voters, say, in northern virginia back. they went against the republicans in '18 and '20. can they move them back towards the gop and it looks to me like that's where the party's blueprint is for some of the races in the midterm. >> having said that, scott, let me ask you then because, um, basically, what youngkin is saying -- i mean, this is my analysis -- is saying, listen, hey, we want you trump voters. we don't necessarily want trump in this race. so he is trying to keep him at arm's length. so what does that -- what does that say about, you know, whether trump should be part of this or not? what is your analysis on that? >> well, i -- i think he's responding to the empirical information we have from the last election in which trump did not win the election. he lost by several million votes but everywhere else down the ticket, republicans actually did quite well. and so, there are a whole bunch of people out there and youngkin knows this. who actually want to vote for, you know, run of the mill, standard issue conservative republicans but just didn't care to vote for trump. >> that's my question. this is my question. that's the gist of my question. hold on, ron, because i find this very fascinating. that is the gist of my question. so, where does this, scott, put donald trump in all of this? i mean, should the party be looking beyond him? or -- do you understand what i am saying -- i am getting at? >> yeah. well, look, it's a great question because youngkin has run i think a really smart campaign designed to try to run a coalition effort inside the republican party. bringing together all the coalitions you mentioned. this is the prototype for the future where you actually have more cohesion than you had, you know, when trump was at the top of the ticket. also, look, he is his own man. he is got his own ideas. he is running his own race and he is telling the people of virginia i don't need to be a clone of somebody else. i just need to be who i am. and it is also a rejection of what mcauliffe has done. mcauliffe has tried to make this thing all about trump and youngkin's tried to make it all about virginia issues and we are going to see which one works. >> ron, same question. >> yeah. well, look, i think here i turn it around and look at it from the supply -- the demand side, i guess. there is no question donald trump -- donald trump is the dominant figure in the republican party. the trump faction is the largest faction in the republican party. three-quarters or four-fifths of the party is in line with what he is doing but there is about a fifth who are uneasy with everything donald trump has done, particularly since the election and who view many of his actions as a threat to american democracy. if trumpism is going to be curved in the republican party, those voters have to exact a price on other republican candidates. if, in fact, to use scott's phrase, if they -- if they kind of revert back to voting for a run of the mill conservative republican who, nonetheless, is winking at trump's claims of fraud and signaling that they will enable, rather than confront trump, there is simply going to be no incentive for the party to try and move away from trump. if they feel they can get the best of both worlds. if they can get the trump turnout, the turnout among the trump base and also hold and even win back suburbanites who are uneasy about trump. any effort to stop trump in the party is going to be very, very difficult. in some ways, this comes back to those republican voters who are uneasy with trump if they continue to drift back toward candidates like youngkin, they are more likely, i think, to get trump as their nominee in 2024. >> okay, so, scott, having said all of this. trump is in the race, he is not really in the race. he is kind of in the race. he hasn't been there but he is doing these tele-rallies. i mean, he also released a statement today full of lies falsely questioning the integrity of virginia's elections but also telling his base to flood the system and get out and vote. for months, he has been saying don't trust the election, don't trust the system. and now, he wants people to go vote. you can't have it both ways. or i don't know. maybe, you can? >> well, he certainly told the people of georgia back in january that their votes wouldn't count and some were listening. and he is -- and he has been on this message. it strikes me that someone's gotten to him because now he's put out a couple of statements saying well i didn't mean people shouldn't vote. so it may be that finally people he listens to, whoever that is, has said hey you can't -- you can't tell people not to vote because if the republicans win the midterms, you know, next year. i mean -- i mean, you are not going to be able to claim any credit for it. i also think what is happening is there is a sense of youngkin has momentum and you are seeing these statements coming out from him because he wants some of the credit here for this but i think youngkin did the right thing, and he ran his own race. he didn't feel like he had to lean on trump for anything. and unlike mcauliffe who feels like he has to lean on biden, obama, and every other democratic luminary. youngkin was his own man here and i give him credit for staying the course on that. and not give in to the idea you have to bring in trump or anyone else, frankly. >> ron, i have to go. if you can give me ten seconds to respond because i know you want to respond. >> look. i think the biggest question for democrats is going to be do they see the -- the signs of the usual problem in the midterm which is that their base is depressed, less eager to vote than the other side? and also, how big a drag is joe biden? whether mcauliffe wins bay point or loses by a point, think the clearest message for democrats is they have a shared interest, a kind of survival interest in rallying around the biden presidency and trying to rebuild his approval rating because if it is at this level in a year, it is almost certainly going to be very tough. >> thank you, both. i appreciate it. i want to turn now to political strategist sarah longwell. she is host of the focus group podcast. hi, sarah. good to see you, again. >> hey, don, thanks for having me. >> you recently spoke to a group of undecided independent voters in virginia. what did they tell you about the most important factors in this race? >> yeah. well, there is some good news from terry mcauliffe. these undecided voters -- and they were biden 2020 voters -- nine out of ten of them. they were going to vote for terry mcauliffe, so that's -- you know, mostly good. the bad news is they all think youngkin's going to win. and the reason is -- i mean, it's just a straight-up enthusiasm thing. the way that these -- they were sort of -- they are so demoralized. i mean, your previous guests were talking about the national mood and that is so clear in these democratic focus groups. they are just down on joe biden. they are down on the idea that nothing's getting done. they don't feel good about anything. and that -- that just hangs over this governor's race. and to contrast that on the republican side, every group i talk to -- 2020 trump voters -- they cannot wait to vote. i remember there was one guy who told me i want to vote for any living, breathing republican. they have this pent-up energy from 2020. they feel like they got robbed, and so they want to turn out. this is the kind of thing they tell me where we got to turn out in numbers so big, the other side can't cheat. and so, i think that, you know, glenn youngkin these voters think glenn youngkin has enthusiasm on their side. they were going to vote for mcauliffe but they were just kind of mad about the whole thing. >> i want to play some of what you heard from some of these folks. here it is. about joe biden. here it s. is. >> i don't like how biden is -- how much debt he wants to incur. i don't like what happened in afghanistan. >> biden hasn't stepped of up or hasn't appeared to have stepped up as i would have hoped somebody with 40 years in the senate could bring people together to do. >> so, there you go. what kind of impact is this biden -- is biden having on this virginia race? >> yeah. it's just brutal. i mean, i have done a number of democratic focus groups in a row now. doing them for weeks and i always ask people to give joe biden a letter grade. and he is getting a couple of bs, and mostly cs and ds. and one of the things people complain about the most -- i mean, obviously, they are concerned about inflation. they are still, you know, kind of feeling like covid's not under control. um, but they just don't feel like they see joe biden. like, actually, one of the things i hear the most is they are saying where is joe biden? you know, we are in the middle of all these crises. and i just don't feel like he's very visible and where is kamala harris? you know, they are sort of hungry for leadership that they feel like they're not getting and i think all this stuff that's going on in washington where people don't have a real sense of what -- >> you should have had me -- i ever been saying the same thing on this show forever. you should have had me in your focus group because i could have told you that's the sentiment out there. where is joe biden? why is he holding events at 2 d o'clock in the afternoon? why are the democrats not behind the president? all that, i hear that every single day from people and, you know, it is obviously it is being reflected in the people you are talking to and i think that -- you can correct me if i am wrong -- i don't think -- i don't think that democrats in washington were aware of it. they were too close to the, you know, forest for the trees, right? and now, with this election and what is happening i guess nationally with the polling and what have you, finally, they are coming around to realizing that oh, wait, we are screwing this up. >> yeah. i mean, if youngkin wins and even if mcauliffe, you know, wins by just a point or two, it is massive wake-up call for what is heading their way if joe biden's numbers stay where they are and democratic enthusiasm stays as low as it is. i mean, it's just -- you just can't -- i mean, that's wave election territory going into 2022. although, i will say one brighter spot. you know, youngkin is a particularly good candidate for virginia because he is able to thread this needle with the kind of trumpy stuff but then also like mitt romney or the suburban voters. a lot of the candidates the republicans are putting up in 2022. you know, herschel walker. those are extremely trumpy candidates and those are people trump is already out there endorsing and so it's not as easy as it is in virginia for them to keep trump at arm's length and, you know, bring those suburban voters back. >> yeah. they are hugging trump so closely, they can't tell the difference between the candidate and trump, right? they are kind of hiding behind him. and i think voters don't like that as well on the republican side. thank you. >> i appreciate it. good to see you, sarah. >> thank you. new revelations about january 6th and just how close we came to a coup. what the then-president was doing while lawmakers were under attack. 187 minutes. when he refused to do or say anything to stop the assault on our democracy. new mucinex instasoothe. works in seconds, lasts for hours. i would've called yesterday. but... i could've called yesterday. but... i should've called yesterday, but... would've, could've, should've. we hear that a lot. hi. i'm jonathan, an insurance professional and manager here at colonial penn life insurance company. sometimes, people put off calling about life insurance. before you know it, another year has passed. and when they do call, they say, "i wish i'd called sooner." call right now for free information on the $9.95 plan. are you between age 50 and 85? you can get whole life insurance with options starting at just $9.95 a month. do i have to answer health questions to get it? 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"the post" reporting that at the very moment the secret service is moving pence out of the capitol -- you have the video up there -- trump was attacking him on twitter. i mean, what were the consequences of the former president's inaction here do you believe, congressman. >> >> well, the consequences was this was an actual coup attempt. this was a coup attempt that we haven't seen in this country since the civil war. um, had they been successful and they -- they got pretty close, we were going to deal with a very, you know, very serious constitutional crisis. and this president doesn't care. i mean, he is a person that breaks anything he wants in order to get what he wants. and he'll take the gullible and the stupid and the naive, as well as the selfish with him which is what you see happening in politics right now. so, this is a horrible situation that could have gotten a lot worse. and the fact that the bigger problem right now is that it happened, but now there is a republican party that basically is buying into this. and they are buying into the lie just so they could have some political relevance and it's disgusting. >> but they are winning with that. they are winning with that lie. that has to be frustrating for you. >> it's very frustrating. i -- i'm not frustrated as a -- as a democrat. i am frustrated as an american. i am frustrated as a patriot. as someone who actually served in their country, the fact there is a whole portion of a political party that is willing to do -- to basically sell their soul to this person who is soulless in order for them to win elections and at the same time, destroy this beautiful democracy we have been fighting for for so long. and look, the democrats need to do better in talking about this, too. the fact that you have merrick garland thinking that this is -- this is some kind of, like, normal situation and acting as if there wasn't a coup on this country is a problem. the fact that we still aren't pushing voting rights act to try to stop further erosion of our politics is a problem. you know, so both sides need to be doing better but right now, there is only one functioning party that actually cares about democracy and that's the d democratic party. >> right on. that's your party so talk to them, please. listen, congressman. cnn's k file uncovering -- john eastman, just days after before the insurrection, he wanted pence to throw out the electoral college votes. listen to what he said. >> i think a lot of that depends on the courage and the spiepne the individuals involved. that would be a nice way to say a guy named vice president mike pence? >> yes. >> does that make it clearer than ever that itthis was a premeditated coup attempt? >> well, absolutely. there was -- just because someone is wearing, you know -- you know, chief brooks brothers suit doesn't mean they -- they aren't part of the insurrection. john eastman, rudy giuliani, a couple of these other big -- not big -- real lawyers -- really helped bring this argument to, you know, at least to some of the more gullible people to make it more salient and -- and more real. the fact that all them still even have law licenses tells you about how unserious a lot of people are taking this situation. john eastman has a job with the claremont institute. the fact they still haven't fired that man tells you a lot about the claremont institute. and, you know, we really need to start arresting people. like, i am telling you right now, if we do not start showing consequences to the coup, then it is a practice run and what you are going to see is it is going to happen either two ways. number one, there is going to be a real coup where there is a physical bumper or overthrow of the government or it is going to be one that is done by legal means, such as, you know, voter disenfranchisement. you know, overturning the votes of, you know, certain counties to make sure that candidates like donald trump or other candidates like that win. we are not taking this serious enough right now. it is -- we are literally def con five and no one's really, you know, looking at this as seriously as they shall. >> like i said, talk to your party. >> trust me. >> no, no, i mean we are talking about things that are really serious but i mean that because the democratic party -- i said it over and over on this program -- the only party that's operating in reality. and um, it -- our democracy going to be saved, it is going to be by the democrats but you guys are not doing a good job right now. and by the way, this may be a brooks brothers suit i am wearing. it's not cheap. i don't want to throw any shade on brooks brothers. >> i shouldn't throw shade because i get my brooks brother suits from the outlets. it's not the actual suit. >> thank you, sir, i appreciate you joining us. be well. >> thank you. >> a new cnn special report comes out this week trumping democracy an american coup. it airs friday. it starts at 9:00 p.m. jake tapper, right, producers? jake tapper's special. make sure you watch that. i will be on right after that. okay? so they let texas keep their six-week abortion ban, but the supreme court's now signaling that they will let abortion providers challenge the law, and it's not only the justices you'd expect. laura coates is going to break it down, right after this. there she is. we'll be back. ey indicators of brain performance. more brain performance? yes, please! neuriva. think bigger. ordinary tissues burn when theo blows. so dad bought puffs plus lotion, and rescued his nose. with up to 50% more lotion puffs bring soothing softness and relief. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. have you ever sat here and wondered: "couldn't i do this from home?" with letsgetchecked, you can. it's virtual care with home health testing and more. all from the comfort of... here. letsgetchecked. care can be this good. in business, setbacks change everything. so get comcast business internet and add securityedge. it helps keep your network safe by scanning for threats every 10 minutes. and unlike some cybersecurity options, this helps protect every connected device. yours, your employees' and even your customers'. so you can stay ahead. get started with a great offer and ask how you can add comcast business securityedge. plus for a limited time, ask how to get a $500 prepaid card when you upgrade. serena: it's my 3:10 no-exit-in-sight migraine medicine. it's ubrelvy. for anytime, anywhere migraine strikes, without worrying if it's too late, or where i am. one dose can quickly stop my migraine in its tracks within two hours. unlike older medicines, ubrelvy is a pill that directly blocks cgrp protein, believed to be a cause of migraine. do not take with strong cyp3a4 inhibitors. most common side effects were nausea and tiredness. serena: ask about ubrelvy. the anytime, anywhere migraine medicine. liberal supreme court justices are warning that constitutional rights enshrined in supreme court decisions on gun rights, same-sex marriage, birth control, and other issues could be open to attack depending on how the court handles a texas abortion ban case. listen to justice kagan. >> essentially, we would be inviting states -- all 50 of them with respect to their unpreferred constitutional rights -- to try to nullify the law this court has laid down as to the content of those rights. i mean, that was something that until this law came along, no state dreamed of doing. and essentially, we would be like -- you know, we're open for -- you're open for business. there is -- there's a -- there's nothing the supreme court can do about it. guns, same-sex marriage, religious rights. whatever you don't like, go ahead. >> okay. so, i want to hear from our senior-legal analyst, laura coates, about this. laura, good evening to you. what do you think of what justice kagan said? her warning? >> justice kagan's absolutely right. i mean, this would be the definitive slippery slope. we often hear about this could be a slippery slope. it might have a domino effect. if you allow states to be able to do an end run around judicial review, you essentially give them carte blanche to do whatever they want as long as they can figure out a way not to have a state actor enforce the law. remember, fundamentally what's wrong with this case is that normally, if you want to try to prevent a law from going into effect, you have to be able to sue the state actor who was charged under the statute to actually enforce the law. in texas, they decided, huh, we will avoid that by allowing anyone in the country, not a state actor in texas, to be able to sue anyone who aids in an abortion. thereby, allowing them to just avoid judicial review. now, if that is allowed, she is right. it's not just hot-button issues like abortion or gun rights or anything else. it could be everything that could be fair game. and that's not a blueprint that can actually sustain itself. >> so, the judges who already voiced opposition to the texas law are obviously in favor of letting it be challenged. but surprisingly, conservative jus justice kavanaugh, coney barrett. they are showing that they are open to letting abortion clinics challenge the law in court. but for them, is this about whether the law is constitutional? >> not yet. and that's the thing about right now. you know, we have heard already thinking about the case a few weeks from now. deciding whether a 16-week ban is going to be constitutional. with this challenge in texas, it's not quite at the is it constitutional stage, yet, which will surprise people. right now, it's at the who could sue? who could actually avoid having to be vulnerable to this evasion of judicial review and bring a case in the courts? there were two different parties involved. of course, the department of justice, the federal government wanted to intervene on behalf of being able to enforce federal laws. then, you had the clinicians, the abortion clinics and providers who said we'd like to be able to sue and -- and be in court because we are the ones who are not hypothetically going to be challenged. we are the ones with the most to lose in terms of financial penalties. and they can be retroactive, don. they can also not have a ceiling. you might lose one case of a $10,000 but that is nothing to prevent more and more people from suing you and it could be -- justice kavanaugh spoke about this -- up to a million dollars. and the idea that these clinicians would always be vulnerable for any person across the country seemed to be the most persuasive of this court right now but we have time. we don't yet know how the court's going to rule but the idea of who would be the most burdened so to speak in terms of the penalties are the people who would in fact, clinically aid in abortion. >> when will we know if this law is going to be upheld or struck down? don't know? >> you know, i wish i could tell you the courts like to move at a very fast pace. they do not. they have until really the summer. however, this case is on quite a fast track. remember, this only went into law the end of august, early september. and we have already had this on the docket at the supreme court. expedited briefing even before the mississippi case even gets into oral arguments. so, they could be moving at an expedited base because there's so much at stake. remember, it's not as if there is the -- um, the longstanding discussions esoterically. you are talking about pregnancy. there is obviously a time limit involved, and every day that goes by, somebody's constitutional rights could be being deprived by not being able to exercise what they are entitled to do. understanding supreme court precedent like roe v. wade. so the court might be moving at a faster pace but bureaucracy and the judicial process, in general, has a lot of red tape and a lot of foot dragging. >> glacial pace. slow. slow. >> slow, slow. very slow. >> thank you, laura, appreciate it. i will see you soon. >> thank you. so, he was sentenced to death for a murder he says he didn't commit. and after 20 years on death row, there is news tonight for julius jones. you get hungry for more and then you're just like, “wow, i'm learning about my family.” yeah, yep. which one, what'd you find? 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door. >> the door was already cracked open. i watched him walk up. he had a red bandana over his face, a white shirt and with safelier gun up against his leg here as he was walking up and opened the door and shot my dad in the head. that's the main image i remember. >> reporter: within a few days, two men bury awere arrested for killing howell. and testified that 19-year-old julius jones was the man who pulled the trigger. jones was convicted and given the death penalty but julius jones, who is scheduled to die this month, has maintained that he did not kill paul howell. recently, jones' case has garnered the attention of high-profile celebrities like kim kardashian-west, and millions have signed a petition urging oklahoma's governor to halt his execution. >> my name is julius darius jones and this is the first chance that i will have in over 20 years to talk about what happened. >> reporter: on monday, julius jones spoke before oklahoma's pardon and parole board. >> i am not the person responsible for taking his life. i was not involved in the planning of this robbery. i was not present during this robbery and i did not know that anyone had been killed until the day after mr. howell's murder. >> in court documents, jones' lawyers say evidence that could have exonerated the death row inmate was overlooked and never presented to the jury. jones familily says the teenager was at home the night of the murder, and that he did not match the appearance of the suspect's description. the lawyers write in a clemency petition the trial was shrouded in racial prejudice. lawyers say jones was described as the n-word by a juror, and that one of the arresting officers called jones the n-word as well. the howell family and the state's attorney general says this was never proven. jones' lawyers also alleged that christopher jordan, the second defendant, spent the night at julius jones' home the night after the murder, and that's when he hid the murder weapon and the bandana in 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known julius for 30 years like i said. is -- it's now up to the governor to decide whether to follow the board's recommendation. do you feel optimistic that he will? >> i do. you know, this whole journey proved to me that, hey, you know, when you have the power of your voice and when you use it, you know, amazing things can happen. and this is a living testimony of going through stage one commutation, stage two commutation. now, clemency today. it is an amazing day and amazing feeling to be where we are today so we have full faith and credit that governor stitt is going to do the right thing and sign off on it. >> i love that. full faith and credit. madelyn, the oklahoma pardon and parole board recommended commuting your son's death sentence to life with the possibility of parole. he has been on death row more than 20 years now. do you think there will be a day when he is a free man? >> yes, i can feel it. yes. >> yeah. >> i really do. >> you just feel it in your spirit? >> today, i keep saying it. today's my mother's birthday. she would have been 95 if she was living. before she passed away, she said something was going to bring her grandson home. and i thought about today just give him the opportunity to tell his own story. >> you know, madelyn, paul howell's family said that they hope that the pardon and parole board would vote based on facts, instead of hollywood fiction. his daughter said that the evidence shows julius is guilty. is there anything you want to say to -- to that family, to howell's family? >> well, first of all, the facts were given and if they would do a little research and since they said they didn't look at the last -- no one ever came to us. i come from a family that we should be able to -- if i have a problem with my neighbor -- we can sit down and talk. and several times, we have tried to invite them to talk. so, you know, how can i say? you know better, you do better. and do your research. i did mine. >> yeah. um, what dow do you guys want to say to, quickly, jimmy and also for madelyn, what do you want to say to the oklahoma governor tonight? >> yeah. we would hope that governor stitt would look at what the pardon and parole board approved today. and grant our wish that he could -- what they recommended which is converting his death into the life with the possibility of parole. time is of the essence with the november 15th date so we are urging. we are urging our governor to take action and take action quickly. >> madelyn? >> well, i would like to say we are urging our governor, kevin stitt, to do the right thing. he's a father. he's a, you know, leader. he is a god-fearing man and just doing the right thing and we would urge him to look at the urgency of it. >> thank you, both. thank you so much. i really appreciate it. come back and talk to us. you guys, be well. >> yes. we appreciate it, don. thank you for your platform. we greatly appreciate it. >> thank you very much. thanks. thank you for watching, everyone. 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