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outfront tonight. who is afraid of donald trump? well, apparently, i guess, obviously, most elected republicans. even the senior ones who once took a stand against trump. let me quote one of them tonight. this person said, quote, trump has a very little opportunity to lead the republican party. and from the same individual, quote, history is going to judge what trump has done. those are the words of republican senator chuck grassley and that was right after the deadly insurrection. but of course, that's ancient history now for some republicans, nine whole months have passed and it's a whole different story. >> i'm thrilled to announce tonight that senator chuck grassley has my complete and total endorsement for re-election. >> i was born at night but not last night. so if i didn't accept the endorsement of a person that's got 91% of the republican voters in iowa, i wouldn't be too smart. i'm smart enough to accept that endorsement. >> chuck grassley now putting political expediency over everything else. he is of course the ranking republican on the all-powerful judiciary committee. in fact, senator grassry is the longest-serving republican in the entire u.s. senate. and he is standing side by side smiling, accepting the endorsement of a man that just, you know, a few months ago, he called extreme and irresponsible. grassley giving trump's rally in iowa credibility, in fact, by showing up smiling through the event. even after trump took the stage, and lied and lied and lied. >> first of all, he didn't get elected. okay? forget that. a totally corrupt election. it's all because of the corrupt election. they rigged the election. this is not about me being robbed of an election. >> every one of those statements, of course, a brazen basic lie. perhaps, you know, as much a lie as saying the sun rotates around the earth. senator grassley knows that and he also knows that these lies are more than just words because he was in the capitol when rioters were tearing through it, and in the aftermath, he released a statement. in fact, that evening, senator chuck grassley said quote today's violent attack on the u.s. capitol was an attack on american democracy, itself. five days later, senator chuck grassley tells reporters, quote, right now, there's very little opportunity for him -- trump -- to lead the republican party. and he went on. here he is. >> to january 20th and there's no trump around anymore and history's going to judge what he -- what he's done. that sort of insurrection is [ inaudible ] and the president's comments didn't help the matter any and made it worse. >> they made it worse. well, weeks later, february 13th, grassley releases a statement. i read, again, president trump continued to argue that the election had been stolen even though the courts didn't back up his claims. he belittled and harassed elected officials across the country to get his way. he cencouraged his own vice president to take extraordinary actions. there is no doubt in my mind president trump's language was extreme, aggressive, and irresponsible. okay. saying it like it is but nine months later, trump's tune has gotten more extreme. i mean, he now says the insurrection was actually election day. right? that that was the insurrection. his language, as extreme, as aggressive, as irresponsible as ever. and yet, now chuck grassley, third in line to the presidency, looking the other way. joining the stage. smiling and accepting the endorsement. and this is trump's game plan now. to stack the decks. get republicans like grassley in his corner. take out secretaries of state and governors in key battleground states who won't back his big lie so that if he runs again, he will have people willing to do his dirty work and parrot false things about voting machines and, i don't know, you know, people from italy hacking into them and changing the vote counts. this is the crazy stuff he said, right, just so he can win. people like congressman steve scalise. the second-ranking highest republican in the house who right now refuses to acknowledge that biden won legitimately. >> you think the election was stolen? >> what i said is there are states that didn't follow their legislatively set rules. >> last time, i promise, do you think the election was stolen or not? i understand you think there were irregularities and things that need to be fixed. do you think the election was stolen? >> and it's not just irregular -- it's states that did not follow the laws set which the constitution says they're supposed to follow. >> it's pretty stunning. steve scalise is not a stupid person. he's a smart person refusing to just acknowledge a basic fact, and seemingly clueless as to the damage he does in perpetuating such lies. he is the number two republican in the house and he refuses to say a basic fact that the 2020 election wasn't stolen. shortly after that answer, republican congresswoman liz cheney came out and tweeted of scalise, millions of americans have been sold a fraud that the election was stolen. republicans have a duty to tell the american people that this is not true. perpetuating the big lie is an attack on the core of our constitutional republic. unfortunately, trump has made pushing these lies a litmus test for republicans and they have allowed him to make it a litmus test. so now, they are either side by side with him or somehow their careers are over. as bob woodward, who i am going to speak to in just a moment, wrote in his new book, he said on the day of the insurrection, trump called pence. again, pressuring him to overturn the election. quote, if you don't do it, i picked the wrong man four years ago. you're going to wimp out. jessica dean is out front on capitol hill. and, jessica, the january-6th committee still trying to get trump loyalists to cooperate tonight. obviously, they had -- had, you know, hit some walls there. although, there were some that were seemingly, maybe, going along. what is the latest? >> well right now, erin, we know a couple things. number one, we know they had issued these subpoenas and we're waiting on some stragglers to get back to them. in fact, one trump aide, dan scavino, they couldn't find for weeks. they did find him over the weekend and we are waiting to hear from his lawyers if he will be cooperating or how he is going to move forward. meantime, we know some lawyers for former-president trump have told people that have been issued those subpoenas being instructed them not to comply and claim executive privilege. so we though tknow that pressur is coming toward them and we know steve bannon has said he doesn't intend to comply. so you have that push and pull. here is congressman adam kinzinger who is one of two republicans including liz cheney and himself sitting on the january-6th committee on what they will do moving forward if these witnesses won't comply. take a listen. >> it's my impression and my intention and the committee's intention that they will be compelled. um, you know, there's some little back and forth nuances between the lawyers right now but i think if it gets to a point where we realize they're stonewalling or they're not serious, there's contempt things you can file. you can do it through congress. you can do it through the doj. criminal contempt. i think that's our leaning is to say criminal contempt. >> so you have it there from one of the members of the committee, erin, that they would lean on criminal contempt through the doj to move this process forward. we also know that they will be getting access, first access to some of these documents they have requested that would come from the final days of the trump presidency leading up to the insurrection. they are hoping to get those, we're told, very soon. erin. >> jessica, thank you very much. and as promised now, i want to go to bob woodward, author of "peril," an extraordinary look outside the end of the trump presidency and what happened next. bob, of course, also associate editor of the washington possibility. so, bob, i really appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> senator grassley. you know, gosh, i remember the first time i met senator grassley. it was many, many years ago. he is the most senior member of the senate. and i know that you have known him a very long time. covered him. does it surprise you, you know, just looking at the history of all the things that he was so clear about saying months ago, that he is now doing a 180 and -- and sharing the stage with trump and happily accepting his endorsement? >> first of all, we've got to figure out what's really going on here. and i remember, george canon, the father of the containment strategy with the soviet union once referred to what he called the treacherous curtain of deference. where people go into the oval office or deal with the president and they're deferential. what's going on now really is an iron curtain of obedience to trump. it's not just polite deference. it is obedience, and it really is an iron curtain because it's so strong. these people, like senator grassley, can count. they can look at the polls. they go to their home states. they talk to constituents. and there are tens of millions of people who support trump. and it -- you know, in the republican party, it's over 50% probably. so, this is a political strength that we have rarely seen -- never seen from a former president. after nixon resigned, he didn't go out and campaigned. he conducted a war against history to say watergate was really just a blip. but the tapes buried nixon, and showed that that was not true. and in the press, i think what we've got to do and one thing robert costa and i did in our book is we looked at these claims of the stolen election. and found documents that rudy giuliani had sent to lindsey graham a now-famous memo that john eastman -- the lawyer working for trump in the white house -- sent which was really just a -- a battle plan for a coup. and two of the most trump-supporting republicans in the party investigated, independently, lindsey graham did. senator mike lee of utah. and they discovered there is absolutely zero there. so, you know, we're -- we're just going to have to find more evidence to what happened. what -- what costa and i did -- we realized we had to look at this. and it's the first proof, i think, that's out there that it's a totally bogus claim and it's made by trump supporters. >> so i want to understand, though. because when you bring up nixon, right, and obviously you -- and carl bernstein, you know, exposed his role in watergate. and at first, republicans stood by him, right? and then, they turned. what i find fascinating about this situation, bob, is that at first -- now, i'm not talking about over the past four years. let's just take it right after the insurrection. right after the insurrection, there were republicans like chuck grassley who stood up and called it like it is. right? mitch mcconnell did at the time. even kevin mccarthy did. and -- and yet, now, they're going back the other way. they all gave up. acted as if it didn't happen. and are now back -- back with, you know, as -- as you call it, the iron curtain of deference. why is that? >> why? because they can read the numbers. let's face it. trump's popularity, his power in the republican party has grown. since he left office. it has not shrunk. and so, there is work to be done to look at this and get the story out. now, the january 6th committee has an important role. i'm not sure they're going to get what they really need. are hearings where people can see witnesses say this happened. in watergate, sam irvin ran probably the gold standard of congressional investigations and got all the big players to testify under oath. i don't know whether that's gonna happen. if that doesn't happen, the story -- the true story -- will not emerge sufficiently. >> well, i mean, it is incredible because as you point out, the only thing that you can do is to keep speaking the truth and find more documents. and yet, um, you know, the -- the -- the number of american people who are listening and who would actually be moved by that -- um -- it doesn't -- doesn't seem to change. when you talk about the january 6th committee, i just wanted to ask you about steve bannon, specifically. because i know that you reported that bannon had urged trump to focus on january 6th. and you quote bannon as saying, quote, we're going to bury biden on january 6th. now, bannon -- >> we're going to bury him in the crib at the beginning of his presidency. it's one -- i mean, it's -- it's bury is a word that has a lot of power, particularly in the days before the violence of january 6th. >> it absolutely does. and then, i just want to be clear here. bannon has admitted that you and bob costa's reporting was correct. here he is. >> this illegitimate regime is starting to collapse. you know, there's a quote from me i guess in the book and they're all over about it that i was talking to the president in late january that we could kill the illegitimate biden regime in the crib. well, guess what? it killed itself. but we told you from the very beginning, just expose it. just expose it. never back down. never give up. and this thing will implode. >> so, how crucial is bannon to the committee's investigation from all of your reporting? >> i'm sorry, what? >> how crucial is bannon to the investigation? >> everyone's crucial but you have to tell the whole story. and the whole story would involve not just bannon but key people in the trump circle. people from the white house. people from maybe the cia. i mean, i've -- one thing we have in our book -- just to be very specific. this is one week after the election last year. gina haspel, the cia director, is quoted -- this -- this is on november 10th. this is the day after trump has fired secretary of defense esper. somebody very well respected in the national-security community. somebody who graduated from west point with secretary -- then-secret then-secret then-secretary of state pompeo. so what does gina haspel say? yesterday was appalling. we are on the way to a right-wing coup. the whole thing is insanity. he -- trump -- is acting out like a 6-year-old with a tantrum. that is one of the most expert analysts. she's not there now. in the u.s. government. somebody who spent 35 years looking at, trying to understand instability. and you heard her assessment. it -- it could not be clearer. >> no, it could not be. bob, i really appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> for sharing some with us. thanks. >> thank you. and next, republicans seizing on this comment from the democrat in virginia's closely watched governor's race. >> i don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach. >> could that be a game-changer? 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>> it was a -- erin, he shouldn't have said it. i'm sure he wishes he hadn't. and when candidates make a gaffe, they have to quickly pivot and work around it which is what mcauliffe is trying to do. but it has to be said, both candidates have been gaffes on the youngkin side, i think it's pretty clear they involved donald trump. he's been trying to edge away from trump even though in the beginning he said he was in the race because of donald trump. and donald trump's ideas. so, both candidates have a burden to bear. >> so, um, you know, as you -- as you get closer and closer to election day, though, you know, we all know things matter. they have got early voting, obviously. and t"the washington post" spok to bruce carlton. he is a man who says he considers himself a democrat. he voted for bill clinton. he voted for barack obama. he voted for mcauliffe for governor in 2013 but he says he put a youngkin sign in his yard the very day after mcauliffe said that comment at the debate because he said he believes public schools are pushing a radical agenda, and that youngkin, quote, wants to teach people how to think, not what to think. that's a pretty dramatic thing when you look at a voting record like that, that somebody would go and then put a sign up. now, i understand that is an anecdote. that is not a poll. but how many more voters like carlton could be out there? >> well, there are quite a few in the suburbs. that's where the election will be decided. and of course, suburban college-educated voters have been moving to the democrats not just because of donald trump. but he certainly gave a great assist. well, he's still center stage but he's no longer president. so i think some of those voters feel comfortable in switching sides. and they focus on particular issues. i have to say that anecdote which started off a front-page piece on "the washington post" is what i like to call the unicorn. they found a unicorn. >> you think is it a unicorn. okay. and i know -- and i am a reporter. i understand. i -- i totally understand what you're saying. um, but -- but i guess the context here is everyone's watching this race so closely. biden won the state by ten points. it -- now, at least it's being put out there that it's anybody's race to win. that, in and of itself, is a pretty dramatic thing to say in a state that biden just won by ten points. is that how you see it? how close do you think this is? >> right now, i think it's three or four points in mcauliffe's favor and we both know three or four points can disappear overnight. so this is a close, competitive contest. you mentioned the gaffe mcauliffe made. i would say a much more important factor is the fact that the d.c. democrats can't get their act together. that the white house and the congressional democrats have not produced on these two big bills. it has suppressed democratic enthusiasm and that's the difference. the republicans in virginia have been out of power for a decade. we have elections every year in virginia. they've lost every single election every year for a decade. they're desperate. and so, the enthusiasm level is through the roof. democrats. look on twitter. they're lackadaisical. so many of them say, oh, we'll win in the end. we always win. no, you don't. you will not always win. and they may discover that november 2nd. or they may get excited and enthused if the d.c. democrats actually produce, and restore a sense of urgency. you know? they are saying october 31st and some now are saying the end of the year. will, the end of the year is too late for the contest in virginia. and if terry mcauliffe loses, erin, i can guarantee you their fundraising will tank. pundits will go into orbit about how republicans are going to win in a massive way in 2022. so, they're all going to suffer if they don't get their act together and stop being keystone cops. >> all right. thanks very much, larry. i appreciate it. >> thank you, erin. and next, disturbing new video emerging of police dragging a black paraplegic man from his car during a traffic stop. >> i'm trying to tell you. >> what happened leading up to this incident? the man in the video is my guestful. and how real is the possibility of the united states getting into a war between china and taiwan? tensions tonight are higher than they have been in decades. people with moderate to severe psoriasis, or psoriatic arthritis, are rethinking the choices they make like the splash they create the way they exaggerate the surprises they initiate. otezla. it's a choice you can make. otezla is not an injection or a cream it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. tell your doctor about your medicines and if you're pregnant or planning to be. otezla. show more of you. ♪ i've always been running. to meetings. errands. now i'm running for me. i've always dreamed of seeing the world. but i'm not chasing my dream anymore. i made a financial plan to live it every day. ♪ there was a dream ♪ ♪ and one day i could see it ♪ at northwestern mutual, our version of financial planning helps you live your dreams today. find a northwestern mutual advisor at nm.com in business, setbacks change everything. so get comcast business internet and add securityedge. it helps keep your network safe by scanning for threats every 10 minutes. and unlike some cybersecurity options, this helps protect every connected device. yours, your employees' and even your customers'. so you can stay ahead. get started with a great offer and ask how you can add comcast business securityedge. plus for a limited time, ask how to get a $500 prepaid card when you upgrade. call today. tonight, disturbing video showing police dragging a black paraplegic man from his car during a traffic stop in ohio. that man now accusing the dayton police department of racial profiling and unlawful arrest in a complaint with the naacp. athena jones is outfront. >> they dragged me to the vehicle like a dog, like trash. like you take out trash. >> reporter: the video is difficult to watch. dayton, ohio, police pulling a black paraplegic man from a car during a traffic stop last month. >> i can't step out of the car, sir. i'm a paraplegic. >> help you getting out. i'm going to help you getting out. i'm going to help you get out. >> i don't think that's going to happen, sir. >> reporter: 39-year-old clifford owensby launched a complaint with the naacp. he accuses police of profiling, unlawful arrest, illegal search and seizure, and failing to read him his rights before taking him to jail. police say they stopped owens by after seeing him leave a suspected drug house. and based on that sighting and owensby's past history of felony drug and weapons charges, officers called for a drug sniffing dog to check the vehicle. department policy requires occupants exit the vehicle, first. the nearly 12 minute police body-camera video shows an officer pulling owensby over and ordering him out of the car. >> i cannot step out of the car. i cannot step out of the vehicle. >> you can get out of the car. >> reporter: the officer says several times he will help owensby out of the car. owensby declines saying he will call someone he knows to come help him. >> hey, bro. can you come down the street to -- um -- ferguson and grand? >> reporter: throughout the september 30th incident, owensby repeatedly asked the officer to call a superior to the scene. the officer says he will do so but owensby must get out of the car, first. >> you are getting out of the car. it's not an option. you are get out of this car so you can cooperate and get out of this car or i can drag you out of the car. >> seconds later, a struggle ensues as two officers forcibly remove owensby. at one point, pulling him by his hair. >> get out of the car. >> ow! ow! ow! somebody, help! >> reporter: dayton police major brian johns said officers retrieved a bag from owensby's vehicle containing about $22,000 in cash. owensby said sunday the money was his savings, and that no weapons or drugs were found in the search. he was not charged with any drug-related offenses. a child was also in the car at the time of the incident. police cited owensby for not using a child restraint, and for having tinted glass windows that obscured vision. he pleaded not guilty. dayton mayor nan wehle told the dayton daily news a full investigation is underway, and no matter where you live or what you look like, everyone deserves to be treated with dignity and respect when dealing with dayton police. now, a spokesman for the ohio attorney general's office says it is not investigating the incident because local law enforcement for a county prosecutor must, first, make a referral. meanwhile, the dayton fraternal order of police told the dayton daily news, sometimes the arrests of noncompliant individuals is not pretty but it is a necessary part of law enforcement to maintain public safety which is one of the fundamental ideologies of our society. the officers involved are still on duty as the internal investigation continues. erin. >> all right, athena, thank you very much. and clifford owensby is now outfront. with him is the president of the dayton naacp. i appreciate both of you taking the time to -- to talk about this obviously it's very disturbing to watch this. clifford, let me start with you. can you tell me and everyone watching, in your own words, what happened when you got pulled over? >> um, once i got pulled over, um, i was under the impression that i was pulled over for tint. so i was expecting for him to write me a ticket and then be let go so i can continue on about my day. unfortunately for me, i ended up with a bad scratch-off lottery ticket, straight to jail. >> so, clifford, i -- i want to replay. you know, it -- it -- it's hard for anyone to watch this. i -- i don't know how many times you have had to rewatch this, yourself. but the body-cam video when officers dragged you out of the car. again, for anyone watching, i want to warn people it's difficult but i think it's important to understand what really happened to you. here is part of it. >> i'm a paraplegic, bro. you can hurt me. you can hurt me. what are y'all doing, bro? i'm a paraplegic, bro. i'm a paraplegic, bro. i'm trying to tell you i got help getting in the car. they can hurt me. >> get out of the car. >> ow! ow! ow! >> get out of the car. >> somebody help! somebody, help! >> clifford, what was going through your head when this happened? when they pulled you out of the car? >> i was in fear of my life. um, all i could do is just close my eyes and grab the steering wheel and -- and -- and i prayed to god in my head to, you know, make sure that it didn't go the way that it went. and they snatched me out of the vehicle by my hair, and i don't know. it just -- it's a constant reminder, every day, you know, and i -- i can't get past the fact that, you know, i've been humiliated like that and they would do anyone like that. treat any citizens of dayton, ohio, or anywhere else like that. >> and -- and i know you talk about the humiliation that you felt. i mean, derek, with everything that clifford is saying and with the context that athena had in her piece here talking about what happened, are you convinced this was racial profiling? >> well, first of all, thank you for this opportunity. we're not going to say that it's racial profiling because the gentleman who actually pulled him out of the car was african-american. what this was was a pretextual stop that led to an egregious act on a citizen within these united states of america. by ways of clifford owensby, our client. so the way that we view this is the officers -- the officer was very aggressive from the beginning. and as owensby stated, that's why he was fearful of his life when the officer asked him to get out of the car. number one, you heard the officer state very clearly inside the video that you got one or two things is going to happen. number one, either you are going to get out of the car. or number two, we're going to drag you out of the car. >> right. >> so officer chose the latter. the officer chose to drag him out of the car because, number one -- you know, was not going to take place because he could not get out of the car on his own. so the officer's actions, in our view, were egregious. he was upset for whatever the case may have been. but this should -- a -- a traffic stop -- a pretextual traffic stop with a -- regarding the tint on his windows should not have led to a citizen within these united states of america in the 21st century to be dragged in their car like an animal with his hair drug across this parking lot. and furthermore, as we take a look at him going to the hospital, you know, or not even the hospital. even getting inside of the police cruiser. our client -- they would not even assist our client to get in the police cruiser in a -- in a humane way. then, even going to the hospital. the same way. in terms of him being able to get out and being taken care of at the hospital. and then, so much so that when they actually took him back to -- took him to jail from the hospital, the intake refused to even accept him. so, when the -- when the intake refused to accept him at the jail, then after that point in time, he had to -- he asked the officers to take him back to where they found him because the officers asked him, well, where do -- where do you want us to take you? and the officer said he said can you take me back to where you picked me up? the officer did not do that. and ultimately, he had to call a ride to come pick him up from the jail. you know, so the -- the -- the situation was clearly unnecessary. the officer should have been put on desk duty. should have been put -- should have been put on administrative leave immediately. >> yes. >> until a full investigation ensued. >> so, clifford, let me ask you and -- and it is -- you know, as you emphasize, they are still back on duty as we understand it. right? that there has been no move to desk duty at this point or anything else. um, you know, clifford, you talk about thinking you may have been pulled over for tinted windows. the police say they stopped you because you were leaving a suspected drug house and that because of your felony drug history and weapon history, that's why they requested a narcotics k-9 at the scene. and then, the k-9 reacted to your $22,000 in cash suggesting it was near illegal drugs. obviously, i know they did not find any in your car and that's important. but what do you say to all that? they're giving this -- this involved description. >> seemed like i've been profiled. again, there were no drugs, weapons, or anything found. they just -- i don't know -- i'm -- i'm not sure what their intentions were. but they definitely hurt me and i -- i been in pain ever since. having to watch that video over and over. it just -- i can't get past it. >> and when you take a look at the situation, whether or not it was a known drug house or not, it's his property. he is a businessman inside of our local community. he owns sefveral properties. he went over there -- he went over there to get some -- some cable boxes from the property. so he took those cable boxes were in his car and as he proceeded to take off, then the officer stopped him shortly thereafter. so everything inside of his story is very clear. he went there for a particular purpose. >> yes. >> he left. he left there and the officers decided to stop him with a pretextual stop. so it had nothing to do -- they were hoping to find drugs. they were hoping to find weapons. they were hoping to find something illegal to charge him with. but -- but in this particular case, that did not happen. we cannot change -- the police department cannot change the narrative of what happened on this particular stop. >> well, certainly, was obviously -- it was obviously incredibly hard to watch. and i know humiliating and painful for you so, clifford, thank you for telling your story. thank you, both, for -- for coming on skblexplaining it. i really appreciate it and i know everyone watching does, too. >> thank you. >> thank you for listening. >> thank you, both. and next, cnn learning the official autopsy ruling for gabby petito will be released tomorrow as the search for brian laundrie enters its fourth week. has the trail gone cold? 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you know? until they find him, we won't -- we won't know. >> reporter: gabby's family continues to demand answers and justice. the ruling of gabby petito's autopsy expected soon. and, erin, what we're expecting tomorrow? details from the teton county coroner. remember, just about three weeks ago, they -- they found that the preliminary determination of the manner of death for -- for gabby petito was homicide. what we're hoping is that tomorrow we'll get more details on the cause. to get a better understanding of what happened to gabby petito. >> leyla, thank you. and next, taiwan now at the center of what could become a dangerous battle between the u.s. and china. will the united states step up and defend taiwan? plus, it's now been 264 days since president biden was sworn in. so, why is there still not a permanent head of the fda? during a pandemic? orrr... you could cancel the meeting and share updates in slack instead. it's where your whole team is in one place so everyone can stay up to date. slack. where the future works. 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tensions between the two at a new high after chinese president xi jinping says reunification china and taiwan, quote, will definitely be achieved. taiwan's president firing back. pledging to not bow to pressure but warning that taiwan is facing its, quote, most complex situation since separating from china 72 years ago. as china flew a record number of war planes into taiwan recently, the united states is touting its, quote, rock-solid commitment to taiwan urging china to deescalate. rock-solid commitment, though, may actually mean something real. how far is president biden willing to go to stop china? david culver is out front from shanghai. david, i mean, this is a pretty incredible moment, right? and president xi in china, is he prepared to start an all-out war to take full control of taiwan which, of course, has bought billions of dollars of american weapons? i mean, how real is this risk? >> and if you listen to the rhetoric, erin, they are still using the word peaceful even coming from the top here. president xi jinping saying peaceful resolution is what he is hoping for. but he is also saying as you pointed out, not only must this be done, this reunification of taiwan and the mainland, it will be done. and so, where will that lead them to? well, if you look at some of the actions that have been taken in recent months, and even just go back to the past few weeks, we have seen a record number of fighter jets, of bombers being flown from the mainland over into taiwan's air defense identification zone. that has caused taiwan to scramble their own jets multiple times. nearly-daily incursions, really, of that air defense identification zone. so it's concerning and it's putting a lot of pressure on the island to figure out how they're going to navigate going forward. if they are going to really try to align themselves with the u.s. if the u.s. will be able to step forward and take any action in defense. but china is resolute in saying taiwan is a breakaway province. even though it's never been ruled by the chinese communist party, it is in the mainland's idea of how they look at all of this, part of china. and it will reunify. they say that this is -- if you look at all the other issues, no matter how sensitive, be it hong kong, be it xinjiang, when you look at taiwan, this is the redline issue. this is the one place that mainland china will not back down on, erin. >> i mean, it is pretty incredible, though, as you say. never been ruled by the chinese communist party. 72 years since they have been part of china. the united states, a significant naval presence, obviously. aircraft carriers, nuclear-power subs in the south china sea. and as -- as -- as we pointed out, has sold billions of dollars in weapons to taiwan. um, look. when the united states says it has a rock-solid commitment to defending taiwan, that may mean doing so militarily. so, does -- does china believe that the united states would actually step up and militarily defend taiwan? or does president xi think that the u.s. would back down? >> president xi is prepared, it seems, for both sides. of having this open dialogue and communication. china says it's going to end in their favor with that reunification. but from a military perspective, you can bet that the people's liberation army navy has been ramping up their activities. and you also have to look at some of the spending. while the u.s. has been double what china spends on defense. china, regionally, if you talk to military experts here and we have spoken to many of them, they have a stronghold. an increasing one on this region. so it's even forced u.s. allies like japan to move some of their troops to some of the outlying areas of theirtor territory juso be in a place of defense and preparation should something happen here, erin. >> it's pretty incredible if you look at the history of the region, as you say, before world war ii. has -- has resulted in a lot of peace and things could be about to change. david, thank you so much. i really appreciate your time. and next, the fda has been without a permanent leader for more than eight months. what? 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