are putting profits ahead of people and endangering children, he should come tell it to our committee and to the american people himself. >> strong words from senator blumenthal there, as he said, he wants zuckerberg to testify before his committee in the coming weeks. one of the things that was surprising, if you were watching this hearing, there was bipartisan agreement when it came to facebook. john avlon with a reality check. >> in a senate that often seems proudly dysfunctional, yesterday's hearing on facebook seemed like a throwback to a more bipartisan era. now, unfortunately for facebook, the senators' common ground was a resounding dislike of their business practices. but covering governing can strain people's attention, even when the target for reform is declared one of the most powerful corporate giants in the history of the world. according to one lawmaker, whose products harm children, stoke division, and weaken our democracy. now, let's cut through the noise and look at three social media reforms that seem to be gathering traction across partisan lines. now, the first big point of consensus seems to be the reform of section 230. that's the law that shields platforms like facebook from lawsuits on the basis of content posted by users. >> i think that it will be this congress and this subcommittee that is going to lead the way to online privacy, data security, section 230 reforms. >> hold big tech accountable by reforming section 230. >> now, the fact that republicans and democrats seem to oppose section 230 for vastly different reasons is an irony to talk about another day. but the star witness, frances haugen, had a usely nuanced and targeted take on the approach to reform. >> reforming section 230 to exempt decisions about algorithms, right, so modifying 230 around content i think has -- it is very complicated because user generated content is something that companies have less control over. they have 100% control over their algorithms. and facebook should not get a free pass on choices it makes to prioritize growth and virality and reactiveness over public safety. they shouldn't get a free pass on that. they're paying for their profits now with our safety. so i strongly encourage reform of 230. >> now, the stated folks at the hearing was protecting kids online, spurred by internal facebook research showing that it knew instagram could be toxic for young girls with body image issues. >> so you agree that congress has to enact the special protections for children and teens to stop social media companies from manipulating young users and threatening their well-being. tell me if this should pass, one, create an online eraser button so young users can tell websites to delete the data they have collected about them, two, give young teens under the age of 16 and their parents control of their information, and, three, ban targeted ads to children? >> i support all those actions. >> okay, that's a big deal. talk of raising the age requirements for social media accounts to 16 could take the damaging psychological effects of social media out of elementary and middle school. provided that the age limits is actually enforced. it would create protections for the sale of minors' data and open the door to federal privacy regulations. despite the opposition to new regulations, there even seemed to be openness to the need for more transparency via government oversight. >> what changes would you immediately institute? >> i would immediately establish a policy of how to share information and research from inside the company with appropriate oversight bodies like congress. i would give proposed legislation to congress saying here's what an effective oversight agency would look like. >> a regulatory agency within the federal government? >> yes. >> yesterday's hearing was mercifully free of the usual hyperpartisan grandstanding. instead, it was substantive and dare i say even serious. some senators seemed to get nostalgic. >> the conversation so far reminds me that you and i ought to resolve our differences and introduce legislation, so as senator thune said, let's go to work. >> our differences are very minor, they seem very minor in the face of the revelations that we have now seen, so i'm hoping we can move forward. >> i share that view, chairman, thank you. >> congress could only bottle that brief glimpse of bipartisan resolve, and apply it to, say, avoiding a disastrous default on our debt, or passing infrastructure reform, and election reform or having a bipartisan commission to investigate the january 6th attack. nah, that's too much to ask. but reforming social media's damaging effects on our democracy would be a welcome step forward. and that's your reality check. >> i'm taking the under on all those other things there. i think that's where the safe money is on that. >> wise bet. >> john avlon, thank you very much. >> take care. so new this morning, former ambassador to the united nations nikki haley attacked democrats during a speech at the ronald reagan presidential library. listen to this. >> the greater danger is that anger toward america is now the bedrock belief of the american left. as my great predecessor, gene kirkpatrick fame ously said, in reagan's time, the left was happy to, quote, blame america first. today's democrats don't even believe in america. they see america's flaws as more profound than its strengths. >> joining us now, cnn political commentator and conservative blogger mary catherine hamm and former house gop investigative council member and author of "the woman code," sofia nelson. to an extent, what nikki haley just did there is as old as politics, saying the other party is un-american, less american than our party here. what is ironic to some is that what nikki haley was doing there was saying, what this other party is saying is less american than, say, an insurrection or acquiescing to what happened on january 6th. is that a fair comparison? >> look, i think here's the deal with nikki haley. there is a great scripture i was saying this before we went to break, a double minded man is unstable in all his ways. nikki haley's double minded, one minute she is against those folks, the insurrectionists, the trump and we shouldn't have followed that. the next moment, the democrats don't believe in america, they're the bad guys, i get her mailers at home, they're awful, they're about socialism, there is not one idea. so, yeah, i mean, i think this is very different, john. she's running for president in 2024. and she's trying to establish herself as the conservative pro america candidate and get the trump base to give her kind of the green light there. >> what is her lane here to do that, mary catherine? it seems like she's swerving all over the road on any given day. >> to be fair to anyone in this field, the lanes are coming into d.c. with, like, construction going on. they're going to change constantly based on trump, right? she's trying to do this dance, i think she's done it better than others, particularly when she was in the administration, i think she got out pretty clean. what you can't get past is january 6th pretty clean, right? if you call him on it, you make an enemy of him. and potentially those who would back you because you were in the trump administration. so marrying those two is really tough. i think marrying the people you lost during the trump administration, white educated, college id educated women, with trump supporters, requires being in this strange middle ground which she maybe could occupy, but it is easier for a desantis. do you know why? because he's governing a state right now. she has to weigh in on all these bickering -- all the fighting, right? she has to talk about this over and over again. she's going to be continuing to ask about january 6th, right? i think it makes it a little tougher for her. the audience for this i think is, like, donors and establishment types who would like to turn from the trump years and she looks like somebody who could maybe do that. but i'm a little skeptical that the trump side is running to her. >> can i quote brianna keilar for a moment here, always a safe thing to do -- >> what did i say? >> we were talking about, i said nikki haley was engaging in political gymnastics, floor routine, you said it is doing political gymnastics while trying to carry water at the same time. you can't carry that water without spilling it. >> but, john, i think the disappointing thing for me as a long time moderate republican woman, my entire adult life, nikki haley was a fire brand, a rising star. remember, the confederate flag comes down when she's governor of south carolina after the horrific shooting of the charleston nine. she was seen as somebody who in 2015 trump is crazy, i'm not supporting him. then she goes and becomes u.n. ambassador. she's been doing this kabuki dance since 2016. i think the challenge is that someone who was once seen as a unifier and a leader has now acquiesced to the cult, the trump crazy. >> that's the thing, one of the things she said in this speech essentially is that, you know there is no systemic racism, america is not a racist country, she said, and yet you have images because she is so closely tied to that moment in 2015 where she got rid of the confederate flag from state house grounds, but where we have seen the flag most recently. >> in the capitol. >> so there's really no getting past that. >> i think the argument is slightly different, this is a fundamentally racist country that cannot overcome problems, right. what she's saying -- she said democrats do not often do not -- do not recognize progress we have made. some of that progress being what she did in south carolina. right? i think that's a fair point to make. there are people who pretend everything is 1853, when in fact many, many, many, many, many strides we should concede have been made. that is what she said in the speech. i agree with you that trying to reconcile this with january 6th stuff is tough, but that's why she's condemned that in the past. it is just this tight rope is nearly impossible to walk, which issy d why i didn't think trump should be the nominee two times. i think biden's -- some of the biden administration failures including afghanistan, which she put front and center, gives republican candidates an opportunity to pivot away from that. because it is front and center. and it is an issue. >> people don't vote on foreign policy as we know. particularly not down the road. >> donors and establishment people pay attention. >> donald trump, trump jr., desantis, pence is doing the same dance, i don't know if we're talking about him today, but he's just as bad as her. they wanted t eed to hang him a he's, like, don't talk bad about the insurrectionists. okay. >> i don't know what voters choose every time, but they care about strength and weakness relatively speaking. and when they see mike pence all of a sudden excusing the people who wanted to hang him, when they say nikki haley, see nikki haley, one of her strengths was being strong, being so forward, she's now saying, you know what, if i run for president, i'm going to call donald trump first, and ask permission there. that doesn't impress me as strength. >> it is not my favorite look. this is the thing, i think there is a difference of degree with her and pence and others who i think do as i have noted before a more humiliating dance with him. i think she makes it look better. but the fact is that the gop has gotten itself into this situation, and you -- there -- it is very hard to go after trump without creating the ire of trump voters, who you ultimately need. >> and our virginia governor's race is going to be interesting, glenn youngkin is talking about election integrity again to pivot. that's a nonstarter in the commonwealth of virginia. we have fair elections and we're a very diverse state and he's just -- he's got to do this dance. and it is going to be interesting to see how it comes out. >> very. >> it is going to be incredibly interesting. mary catherine, sophia, it is great to see you both. >> good to be back. with human beings. >> right? 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>> anyone that lived in that house is a coward. and they don't know how to stand up for their actions. >> joining me now is forensic psychologist chris muhondi. i have to say, i was struck over the last 24 hours about how much these families are talking, how publicly, particularly members of the laundrie family, the sister there, what do you make of this burst of public speaking? >> well, i think there is obviously a lot of media interest in this, which isn't going to go away. but more than that, you've got two families that want answers, that want this to get to the next level of resolution, and this becomes their way of communicating with him, you know, it is a forum for getting the message out to him, he's probably monitoring this, these kinds of communications, and it is a public way of reaching him that can hopefully, you know, get him to do the right thing, which is turn himself in. i think that both families in their own way are turning up the heat and the pressure to convince him to step forward and to face what he needs to face. >> did it sound to you that the sister was speaking as if she thought -- it didn't seem to me she was talking in a way she really thought he might be dead. she was speaking in a way if she was sending messages because she thinks he may still be alive. is that a fair reading of that? >> i think the fair reading from everybody and especially the sister is that brian laundrie is alive. and that is their assumption. which is a powerful thing coming from the family, you know, from his own family. >> it is a very notable thing. if his own sister thinks he is still alive, that says something. it also says something that she very publicly and i know they -- she may be estranged from her parents in some way or not speaking to them right now, but she wouldn't rule out the possibility that the parents somehow helped brian laundrie. that's pretty remarkable, yes? >> yes. there is a lot of tension in the family. and, you know, divided positions, perhaps, on how they think they should be dealing with it. and they have -- sounds like they shut her out, they shut the sister out. this creates a lot of dissension. and, you know, brian laundrie is responsible to come forward and, you know, help resolve all of these issues to answer these questions. >> and, again, we heard the pain in the voices of gabby petito's family there. how is their public now discussions about this, how could this be somehow therapeutic for them? >> well, i think that they want it known how they feel about it. they want it known that they expect he should do the right thing that he should do the right thing, come forward, answer the questions that need to be answered, face reality that he has to answer these questions. and there is only one way to do that. he needs to -- he needs to resolve within himself, you know, that he has to -- that he has to step out and talk. and that means that he's got to surrender himself so that he can answer the questions that the family's entitled to get answered, they -- that brian laundrie and anybody who might be helping him, you know, has an obligation to do the right thing, to make sure that he is going to step forward. it is a difficult process that somebody that is a fugitive and anybody that, you know, cares about that person has to go through, you know, to make peace with the reality that their life is different, it is going to be different, but that they have a responsibility to facilitate the truth coming out. i think the -- i think the petito family is doing the right thing by expressing themselves, they're frustrated, they want answers, they're feeling helpless and powerless and this is a way for them to get a sense of control in this situation that they don't feel like they have. they lost their daughter. and they deserve answers. and fortunately they have a place that they can go in addition to law enforcement where they can comexpress themselves and hopefully get the pressure out there so that the right thing happens. >> they do deserve answers. kris mohandie, thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you. just ahead, very unusual secret memo raising alarm about u.s. spies overseas. and the lieutenant governor going rogue while her boss is away on a trip. what happens when we welcome change? 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>> brianna, first, i have to issue the standard caveat i can't confirm or deny the reporting. but let's assume it is accurate and it probably is. what struck me about it is this is a systemic failure among many places, typically had assets, that is those people that are recruited who work on our behalf to provide this information on -- to us is -- they're rolled up in one country at a time. this appears to be several countries over a period of years. so what it reflects, indicates to me, at least, is some sort of a systemic failure, which may be because of some of the factors alluded to in the article. >> look, technology is a problem. there is facial recognition technology, there are all kinds of things that are really challenging some trade craft here. i do wonder if you were working for the cia, especially covertly, or if you're an informant, you know, what are you thinking when you find out about this memo? >> i'm thinking i'm going to be awfully careful. and i think frankly the era of operating in a way that -- where you are tethered to a u.s. embassy are probably over because of the technology that you indicate. and everybody these days leaves an electronic footprint starting at a very young age. including people that work for intelligence. so i think the technology is such that people are going to reach a point where people have to live their true identities and mask their affiliation. but if i'm either an asset or a case officer, i'm going to be extremely careful about certainly any contacts at all, whether physical or electronic. >> yeah, this may be changing the game. sir, thank you so much for being with us. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, lieutenant governor who is trying to deploy troops while the real governor is away. the story behind her power play. and dave grohl right here on "new day," reliving the moment that everything changed for him forever. my retirement plan with voya keeps me moving forward. they guide me with achievable steps that give me confidence. this is my granddaughter...she's cute like her grandpa. voya doesn't just help me get to retirement... ...they're with me all the way through it. voya. be confident to and through retirement. i'm still wowed by what's next. even with higher stroke risk due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin,... i want that. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk better than warfarin. and has less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis has both. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking, you may bruise more easily... or take longer for bleeding to stop. get help right away for unexpected bleeding, or unusual bruising. it may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. the number one cardiologist-prescribed blood thinner. ask your doctor about eliquis. this is sarah. sarah tried to save money by ordering a do-it-yourself orthodontics kit. turns out she can save more money with amerisave's great rates instead. smile, sarah. things are looking up. see how much you could save at amerisave.com. just in to cnn, the education department announcing a sweeping overhaul of its public service loan forgiveness program. the program was designed to incentivize college grads to work in the public sector by forgiving their student loan debt if they made monthly payments for ten years. it long has been criticized borrowers have so far received little help, the changes will let borrowers correct errors and count past payments they were trying to make toward the program. thousands of borrowers could see student debt erased as soon as this fall. a remarkable power grab unfolding in idaho with governor brad little briefly out of the state. the lieutenant governor janice mcgeachin went old issuing an executive order and attempting to send the national guard to the u.s./mexico border. he vowed to rescind them when he returns. joining us now is a reporter at the idaho statesman, this is pretty remarkable, the governor leaves the state and the lieutenant governor just does stuff that the governor doesn't approve of. what is going on here? >> that's right. less than 24 hours after our governor headed down to a visit to texas, our lieutenant governor who according to the idaho constitution becomes acting governor whenever governor little's out of state, less than 24 hours she issued an executive order, the executive order prohibited state agencies from requiring vaccine -- proof of vaccines or vaccine -- requiring mandatory testing in order to access any state services, mcgeachin noted this would apply to schools specifically. >> so what does this mean in terms of governor little being able to leave the state? if every time he steps out of the state, the lieutenant governor goes and changes state policy, isn't that limiting? >> it definitely is. and it is so interesting, you know, the idaho constitution lays out the specific instances in which the lieutenant governor becomes acting governor. and it is all these very serious, you know, instances, if the governor is impeached, if the governor dies and in there is if the governor goes out of state because it was written at a time when going out of state could mean you were completely out of reach. now it seems a little outdated. we all have cell phones. the governor can be reached very easily. it definitely is making people question what this means going forward for him. >> as we said, governor little called this political grandstanding here. he's going to reverse everything that the lieutenant governor does the minute he gets back, obviously. but what is the lieutenant governor getting, knowing that it is going to be reversed, why do it? 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what did you leave with? >> thank you so much for having me join this conversation. well, we talked about our priorities. i had the opportunity to speak with the president about what matters most to folks here in virginia. first and foremost it would be passage of the infrastructure investment and jobs act. and then as we look towards the build back better act which we continue to negotiate, i spoke about my priorities. my priorities because they are those of the community i represent, allowing medicare to negotiate the cost of prescription drugs, focusing on mitigating the issues and challenges of climate change and recognizing the incredible investment that has been refundable child tax credit and expanding that into the future. >> it is interesting, you talked about the things you like there, this might be the moment for blunt talk, and if this bill is going to come down from $3.5 trillion to around $2 trillion, $1.9 trillion depending how you slice it, what specifically would you drop? >> well, so in the conversation that we had and there were members of the house from across the country. from pennsylvania to virginia to texas, out to california, and iowa and everywhere in between. and we were focused on the programs that mattered to our communities, the programs that have been or would be impactful, and taking a sort of building up approach. there has been a lot of discussion of, you know, if we were to do everything what would it be? but i think our approach which i think reflects a level of pragmatism and focus on our communities was what are all of the things we agree on, let's build up from there. and so, you know, i went into that meeting with my list of priorities. and with -- and with a goal of conveying these are the things that matter to the community that i represent. and whatever we're going to do we should do well. so if we're going to put new programs in place, we should give them the time to be successful and we should make sure that they're impactful for the most americans possible and for our larger communities and economy. >> i get it. i'm just trying to figure out as this moves forward, what might not be on that list. paid leave is something that depending on how you feel about the reporting that is out there may be in jeopardy. what do you think about that? >> well, in our conversations we were talking about the impact of supporting america's children. and through supporting america's children, supporting working parents. particularly during covid we have seen women pull back from the workforce, and certainly as a nation we do not begin to pull on the full strength of 50% of our workforce, our nation's women. and we have seen the impact of covid as disproportionately impacted women as they left the workforce to care for children as there were school closures and even now when schools are open, the uneasiness with regular needs to perhaps quarantine if someone had an exposure. with that goal of looking at how do we strengthen america's families, part of that conversation is the refundable tax credit, part of that conversation is early childhood education, be that child care, be that universal pre-k, and that is where the conversation that we had with the president is when we're trying to meet the goal of really investing in america's families and in the long-term success of our children, you know, our future doctors, our future engineers, our future business entrepreneurs, what is the best way to do that now? 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[ nautical horn blows ] i mean just because you look like someone else doesn't mean you eat off the floor, or yell at the vacuum, or need flea medication. oh, yeah. that's the spot. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ dave grohl says his whole life is like an out of body experience. the foo fighters frontman and nirvana drummer almost can't believe his own journey, playing in front of packed stadiums, jamming with his rock 'n' roll heroes and winning quite frankly a boat load of grammy awards. grohl went from surviving on corn dogs and sleeping on a couch next to ckurt cobain's turtle terrarium to changing the musical landscape. he writes all about this from fame, to fatherhood in his new book "the storyteller: tales of life and music" and dave grohl, thank you so much for being with us to talk about it. >> thank you. it is such an honor to be here. i mean, you have to understand, all of these crazy experiences in my life, i have to pinch myself. i feel like they're happening to someone else, like, being on this show, which i watch all the time, i can't believe i'm on here right now. that i'm having an out of body experience as we speak. >> it is just like playing to a packed stadium. >> so talk to us -- >> it is more exciting, actually. more exciting! this is better than my actual job! >> now we know he's fibbing to us. this is amazing because the 30th anniversary which makes me feel incredibly old of "never mind" was last month. this is an album that it changed all of music, right? it changed all of music. it changed your lives. it changed all the band members' lives and you write about playing "smells like teen spirit" for the first time, can you tell us about that? >> you know, when i first joined nirvana, it was 1990. and we all came from the same sort of underground music scene, where, you know, we played small clubs and we had records on independent labels, and we toured in vanz s and things lik that. we were writings they songs in a barn outside of tacoma, washington. and, you know, we didn't really -- we never thought that we were going to be the biggest band in the world because at the time that type of music just wasn't commercially accessible. but kurt's songs were so good. we knew we had good songs. we made the record in like 12 days we thought, okay, we're going to hit the road and do the same thing we have always done and then the video hit mtv and that's when everything changed. and i remember, like, me and kurt used to share a room, sitting there waiting for the video to come on television and just to see our faces on mtv, on television, that was enough. we were, like, oh, my god, we arrived, we made it. but we had no idea what was going to happen next and things happened really, really quickly. >> that's amazing. the idea -- the imagery of you sitting in a room, watching your own videos with kurt cobain. you say you ywrote the chapter about kurt cobain last. that must have been hard. >> yeah, i was scared to write it. the book is -- it is written in short story format. so they're, like, little glimpses of different times in my life. and i knew that that was a really important part of the story. but i was -- i also sort of knew what people might expect me to write or what they wanted me to write. and rather than write something that was, like, you know, logistical or practical, i wanted to write more about loss. and mourning. and what it is like to process grief and how you -- everyone does it differently. and you sort of do it differently for each person. so it really -- that it was the thing i wrote. i finally locked the door and spent two days letting it all out. and i did. >> and for you, dealing with that loss was actually rejecting music for some time, right? >> yeah. i mean, you know, my entire life, i started playing music when i was maybe 10 years old, fell in love with the beatles, i taught myself how to play guitar by listening to beatles records. and to me, music was always about life and joy and celebrating that. and so all of a sudden when kurt died and nirvana ended, it represented the opposite. it broke my heart. it was the thing that had saved my life my whole life and then i was just kind of heart broken. i couldn't listen to the radio. and i put the instruments away. and didn't know if i would play again. wasn't sure what to do and i actually -- i decided i was going to go on this soul searching trip where i wanted to find the most remote place i could find on earth and just drive around and figure everything out. so i went to the ring of cari in ireland and i was driving down this country road and saw a hitchhiker. and as i was pulling up close to him, i noticed that he was wearing a kurt cobain t-shirt and i just saw kurt looking back at me and i thought, okay, i need to go home, and pick up my instruments and start to play again because that's what's going to save my life now. so i did. >> wonderful. it is wonderful and spiritual and even more so hearing you describe that. you talk about how music in some way helped heal you then as painful as it was. what about now? how can music fix this stuff now? what can we do to bring us all together? >> well, you know, one thing that i love about being in the foo fighters is over the years our audience has grown. and when i look out at the audience, you know, there are so many different types of people. but they all come together to sing the chorus of a song. so i look out and i see people from different walks of life, and if we play a song like my hero, or best of you, or everlong, and everyone sings together, in that moment they come together and forget about their differences and sing in chorus together, and i feel like music is one of the few things that can really do that. so it is really one of the greatest luxuries of my life that not only do i get to sort of facilitate that moment, but i get to join in and sing along as well. if there is 100,000 people, they're probably singing that chorus for 100,000 different reasons. but that communal energy and that live -- that live moment, live music, it is really, really important because it reminds us that we're not alone. >> and before we let you go, dave, we want to ask you about a moment that we watched with some curiosity and entertainment, that was mick jagger, who you have teamed up with, on a new track, he shows up at this bar, the thirsty beaver, and no one even recognizes him, but you can see there it is in the kind of like hit jut out, that is so mick jagger. it is seductive. but, you know, one, what did you think about that, and, two, do you ever go places and people just have no idea that it is dave freaking grohl. >> all the time. it is amazing, yeah. i think that most rock 'n' rollers, there is still that -- there is still that kid at heart who fell in love with their records on their bedroom floor when they were young. so it doesn't really matter all the bells and whistles and all of the success, i mean, it's amazing, it's awesome. but you're still that kid at heart and so i bet you mick jagger is the same way. it is, like, he's got a night off, he's going to the thirsty beaver or whatever it was and go have a beer and just hang out. he's still, you know, he's a rock 'n' roller. that's what he's going to do. i think it is amazing. i love mick jagger. he's amazing. such an inspiration, but, yeah, just a dude having a beer on a night off. >> just five minutes with dave grohl and i feel a little bit cooler. i feel a little bit cooler. >> i feel cooler. i feel better. i feel calmer. dave grohl, thank you so much. all of the success on the book and we appreciate you being with us. >> thank you so much for having me. it was great to be here. and cnn's coverage continues right now. good morning, i'm erica hill. >> i'm jim sciutto. running out of options and time. today on capitol hill senate democrats are scrambling as the nation barrels towards a potential economic precipice. they set a vote at 3:00 eastern time to raise the debt limit, avoid the first ever government default which could come as early as next week. the result of that vote likely a foregone conclusion. gop lead

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