it's thursday, 29th of february. our main story. a group of mps have urged ministers to consider the implications for the uk, if assisted dying is legalised in the isle of man and jersey. the health select committee has published a report, which it hopes will provide evidence for future debates about the law. opponents say the current legislation prevents people from coming under pressure to end their lives. here's our medical editor, fergus walsh. the mps don't make recommendations for or against assisted dying. rather, the aim of their report is to serve as a basis for debate on what they call this difficult, sensitive, yet crucial subject. more and more countries in europe have legalised assisted dying in some form, along with new zealand, australia, canada and ten states in the us. the mps say they saw no evidence that palliative and end of life care had deteriorated as a result, and in some instances it had improved. the committee calls for more money for hospices in england, which only get a third of their funding from the nhs. while assisted dying remains illegal throughout the uk, the mps say it looks increasingly likely it will be allowed injersey or the isle of man, both crown dependencies. the report says ministers at westminster should be actively involved in discussions about what the implications of that might be. the fact is we are all going to die. the issue was back in the spotlight recently when dame esther rantzen, who has advanced cancer, revealed she had joined the swiss assisted dying organisation dignitas. since 2015, more than 250 people from the uk have ended their lives at dignitas. the 83—year—old broadcaster wants another free vote on assisted dying in parliament. if every party would just put this in their manifesto that we will hold a debate, that we will have a free vote and hopefully the rest of us also will have a choice about the way we want to end our lives. it's nearly a decade since mps last voted on assisted dying, rejecting it by nearly three to one. campaigners for a law change are pinning their hopes on the new intake of mps at the next election, hoping more will be sympathetic to their cause. the government says any change is a matter for parliament. opponents say legalising assisted dying would undermine support for the frail and vulnerable. i think this will fundamentally change the way we react to people towards the end of their lives. at the moment, all of my focus is around helping patients to live the rest of their lives as comfortably as possible and with all the independence and choice that we can give them. suddenly, i think if assisted suicide is in the room, that's a very difficult decision patients have to take. i think it distorts the priorities of care and it risks changing the focus away from providing them with really good care into a kind of should i, shouldn't i discussion, which ultimately i don't think is going to benefit the vast majority of patients. the mps say they want a national strategy for death literacy and support following a terminal diagnosis to help improve understanding of end of life care. fergus walsh, bbc news. it's just coming up to five minutes past six. naga has more on a focus on school attendance. parents in england who take their children out of school without permission will face higher fines as part of a drive to boost attendance. from september, parents will face an £80 penalty rising to £160 if not paid within three weeks. our education editor, branwenjeffreys, has more. at this little primary in grimsby, fewer children are missing days than last year. the staff work with parents to make school welcoming. but some families say they can only afford holidays in term time. the rules leave the school limited options. as a school, we follow all the processes, all the statutory processes, and we do fine parents, but we feel that doesn't have an impact. the thing that most supports our parents in understanding the children, the importance of children being in school is the relationships. so yes, the fines are one thing, but that support and those relationships we offer our parents is the most important thing. fines for missing school without permission will change in england from september. at the moment, it's £60 per parent. next school year it will be £80 per parent, going up to £160 if not paid, with a maximum two fines per parent every three years. as a parent, your chance of being fined depends on where you live, and that's because different councils have been setting their own policies. these new guidelines say schools must consider a fine after five days of unauthorised absence. headteachers will still have some discretion, but this is a tougher approach and it is likely to lead to more fines. some parents struggle to get support for children's mental health. 0thers face delays getting help for special educational needs. at a play centre in redcar, we asked parents what they thought about fines. i think it's shocking and i don't think anyone�*s going to listen to it because it won't stop me from taking my child out if i can only afford that time. i think it's a bit frustrating because fair enough, education's important but so's life experiences, and not all parents can afford to take the kids on holidays during term time. at the grimsby school, the education secretary heard from children. so if you're really ill but if you've just got a sniffle and you're feeling... a cough or something, then you can come in here. they have points and prizes to encourage attendance. fines are a last resort for most schools, so why increase them? i think it's just about having that consistent approach. the problem we're trying to solve actually is people taking their children out voluntarily, really, maybe to go on holiday or something like that. so what would you say directly to parents about why you think there is a place for fines in the system? obviously, we want to support those parents and those children that are struggling to go in school. but if it's a deliberate decision to take your child out of school for unauthorised absence, then that's something that we don't want to encourage in the school system. something has shifted in communities since covid. the link between school and families more fragile and still many children are missing a lot of lessons. branwenjeffreys, bbc news, grimsby. voters in rochdale will head to the polls today to elect a new mp. the by—election was called after the death of labour mp sir tony lloyd injanuary. 11 candidates are standing, with results expected early on friday morning. a public health campaign to remind parents of the importance of childhood vaccinations has been launched in england. health experts have warned children are "suffering needlessly" because of the decline in uptake since the pandemic. it comes amid a rise in measle cases across the country. president biden and donald trump will both travel to the border between the us and mexico today, to outline their polices on what's likely to be a key issue in the american presidential race, immigration. mr trump is expected to address crowds in the town of eagle pass, from where our correspondent tom bateman reports. searching in the shadows along the route of the rio grande. we've joined a night patrol searching a favoured landing spot for people who have made a perilous journey to reach the us. this texas rancher says last month hundreds of people swam and waded onto his land here. and we trace one narrow path in a global wave of the displaced. well, there are clothes everywhere, water bottles, bags, signs of life. this is treacherous and you can see just how well—worn this is for people making their way into america. angele, seven months pregnant, crossed the rio grande yesterday at 3am. herjourney from honduras's most violent city gripped by gang warfare began two years ago, and now she struggles with tears of relief, having crossed one of the world's great divides. translation: i was holding hands with another pregnant woman - when we crossed the river. the water was very cold and we were afraid of being swept by currents. i was so relieved once we made it to the land. record numbers of people seen here last month have been crossing, driven by conflict and instability, drawn by the post—pandemic jobs gap in america. but in an angrily divided country, a broken system for dealing with immigration claims has become a major election issue. the town's former police chief told us the system is failing everyone. what's the situation? it's terrible. we need to get biden out. that's it, plain and simple. we need to get trump in there to, you know, be more forceful and let our border patrol guys do theirjob. and trump style proposals are on full show. the republican governor of texas has sent state troops to the river bank, he says, to deter migrants, although there are few signs of its longer term impact. we watched as state forces stopped to check federal patrol trucks. a challenge to mr biden�*s authority at the border. you don't trust the federal government to deal with the problem? i'm not going to... all right, y'all. i'm not going to answer that. further south along the river today, president biden will accuse mr trump of deliberately wrecking his plans in congress for stricter rules at the border. another local, jessie fuentes, takes me to see the governor's buoys and razor wire laid along the river. he calls them a political stunt, which only risk more drownings. from 1894 to 192k we had ellis island in america and it oversaw the processing of 7 to 12 million anglo—saxon immigrants, and it only took them 7 hours to process them, each one. so i'm saying, you know, if we could do it back then, we could do the same thing and invest in that. this border path is now on the campaign trail, and america's issue with immigration is set to be a decisive one in the race for the white house. tom bateman, bbc news, eagle pass in texas. over the past few months here on breakfast, we've been telling you all about the bbc�*s 500 words short story writing competition. out of 50 finalists, the six winners have now been selected but their identity will remain a secret until a special bbc programme next week. ahead of that, jon has been to buckingham palace to introduce queen camilla to his fellowjudges. hello, jon. lovely to meet you. how are you? very good, thank you very much. thank you for having us. there are hundreds of children who want to read you a story through there. i think they all want to read their stories to everybody. they're so good, aren't they? they really are. the imagination goes mad. it was a year ago today, we went to a school in birmingham with bbc breakfast to launch it and the children who we met that day are all here today and are terribly excited, not just shortlisted. oh, lovely, they've just come to clap. absolutely. it's such a great project and she so obviously is delighting in it. here's carol with a look at this morning's weather. good morning. is that a rock pool behind you? it's a very nice picture, it is by the looks of it, this is one from our library. this morning it is a cloudy start, particularly england and wales where we have a weather start moving to the east, dryer for most of us but colder. this is the weather front, most of us but colder. this is the weatherfront, bringing some murky conditions, rain, drizzle ahead of it, quite a lot of showers across scotland and northern ireland. wintry above 200 metres in scotland through the day with gales across the north west and the northern and western isles, and the rain continuing to sweep down into the south—east. behind it ploughed across the rest of england and wales, wintry showers on the hills. but also a colder feel than yesterday. six in lerwick to nine in london. we have lost the double—figure temperatures we have had. this evening and overnight, there goes the rain, clearer skies, temperatures will fall away, some frost around and then an area of low comes in with its front bringing the risk of some snow mainly on the hills in wales and the peak district and in northern ireland. there is going to be frost across scotland, temperatures below freezing. wherever you are it will feel cold. that takes us into tomorrow, a band of rain, sleet and hail snow pushing north across northern england, northern ireland, into southern scotland. a plethora of showers behind are likely to be heavy and thundery, wintry on the hills. some brightness across the far north but still feeling cold. the murder of emma caldwell was one of scotland's longest unsolved cases. it took 19 years for iain packer to be convicted after his first police interview in 2005. emma had a happy upbringing but when her older sister died from cancer, she struggled to cope and become addicted to drugs. in 2002, she moved to glasgow and turned to sex work to fund her habit. three years later, she went missing. her family spent weeks searching for her in the city centre where she was last seen on cctv, until eventually her body was discovered in a remote woodland in south lanarkshire. as part of the investigation, iain packer was interviewed multiple times by police between 2005 and 2007 but the line of inquiry was not followed up. then a few years later, packer agreed to two interviews with the bbc "to clear his name". but in reality, those interviews encouraged more of his victims to come forward and he was arrested and charged with multiple offences including emma's murder in 2022. earlier this year iain packer's trial began and yesterday, after four days ofjury deliberation, he was found guilty of murdering emma, and 32 other offences against 22 women. emma's mum margaret spoke of her relief to gain closure after all these years. when they found emma's body and they came and told me that they had found her body, i took this huge breath in. and i neverfelt like i was going to —— now i feel i can let it out, i can breathe again. she will always be in my thoughts, she will always be in my thoughts, she will always be in my thoughts, she will always be my emma. the work of bbc scotland journalist samantha poling was used during the trial to convict packer. in this report, she explains how her investigation revealed his guilt. did you kill emma? no, i never. for iain packer, this was the beginning of the end. i need to get your consent for this interview on tape. an interview he had agreed to, which he would live to regret. i don't believe you've been telling me the truth. the truth was that iain parker was one of the country's most prolific sexual predators, a violent rapist and a killer. emma caldwell�*s killer. emma's murder remained unsolved for 1h years. it wasn't until iain packer agreed to being interviewed by the bbc, interviews which would later be used against him in court as evidence of his lies, that he was finally confronted. all the evidence that i've seen and everything that i have learned makes it clear that you are a sexually violent man. i'm not a sexually violent man... and raped women. i've never raped anyone in my life. you told me you'd never been to the place where emma's body was found. absolutely. you've been there many times, according to all the evidence i've seen. the first woman you took to those woods was emma. no, it wasn't. these former police officers who worked on the murder inquiry have broken their silence. the evidence against packer, they say, was there all along. yet senior officers repeatedly dismissed him as a suspect, instead wrongly pursuing four turkish men for the murder. they couldn't lose face. if they were to turn around and say, "we've made a mistake here, we've spent all this public money," their careers would have been finished. and they knew that so they bluffed it out. we found numerous statements were given to police during the inquiry of rapes, sexual assaults and violent domestic abuse, all committed by packer. and he was identified as the man who'd raped emma in the months before she went missing. this detective asked for packer to be made a suspect. he was told no. there was identification there of more than one... notjust him, the van, his behaviour. several girls had picked him out of the photographs. he's admitting to more and more. so i phoned willie johnston, who was the senior investigating officer. and i said to him, "i want to detain iain parker for the murder of emma caldwell." to which he replied, "do not detain him. he is not our man, release him." it wouldn't be the only time this detective was told to bring packer in for another statement. and i'm told at that point, "davey, when you get in packerand bring him in, it doesn't matter what he tells you. it doesn't matter what he tells you, he won't be an accused in this case." who tells you this? the sio, williejohnson. the sio, willie johnston. it's during that statement that packer finally admits to having taken women to remote woods for sex. they were the same remote woods where emma's body would later be found naked and strangled. packer then admits to having taken emma there too. i phone williejohnston, the boss, at home and give him the information that iain packer has had emma caldwell at the deposition site. he just relays what he told me previously, "davey, itold you at the start of the week he would never be an accused." williejohnston retired as a detective superintendent in 2014. he declined to provide a statement to the bbc. we asked police scotland for a statement. they said this... three years after this interview was broadcast, the police finally charged iain parker with the murder of emma caldwell. there's lots of good people in that inquiry, colleagues of mine who identified him early on in the inquiry. the mistakes were made elsewhere. mistakes which meant a violent killer was free to carry on raping and attacking women for another 15 years until he was finally caught. samantha poling, bbc news. we'll be speaking to samantha at 8:30 this morning and you watch more on her investigation in catching a killer: the murder of emma caldwell which is available now on bbc iplayer. let's take a look at today's papers. the daily express is leading on comments made by dame esther rantzen, who says she feels let down by mps sitting on the fence on the issue of assisted dying. we'll be hearing from dame esther later this morning. the front page of the metro reports on prince harry's security status in the uk. a high courtjudge has ruled the government was right to downgraded his protection when he stopped being a working royal. the guardian leads with a story on ultra processed foods. a review has found that high intake can result in a 50% rise in risk of death from cardiovascular disease. and the sun reports on the reaction of geri homer, the wife of formula one red bull boss christian horner, after he was cleared of sending improper messages to a female employee. the headline says the spice girl was "relieved and elated". the armed forces minister, james heappey, has offered to meet the family of a kenyan woman, who was allegedly killed by a british soldier in 2012. agnes wanjiru's family have been calling forjustice and closure after an inquest in 2019 concluded she was murdered by one or more british soldiers and found signs of a potential cover up. we can get more on this now with our correspondent barbara plett usher, whojoins us from nairobi. good morning, barbara. this is a family that has been waiting since 2012, 12 years, to find some closure and some peace after the death of their daughter.— their daughter. yes, as you say, this is something _ their daughter. yes, as you say, this is something that _ their daughter. yes, as you say, this is something that happened their daughter. yes, as you say, i this is something that happened 12 years ago in union town where britain has an army base. witnesses say they saw agnes wanjiru leaving a hotel with the british soldier and three months later her body was found in the hotel septic tank, mutilated and decomposed. as the case has dragged on, it has dragged up case has dragged on, it has dragged up a lot of anger against britain because many kenyans think it has been swept under the carpet. james heappey seems eager to reverse the impression that the british officials do not care. if i were agnes's family i would be deeply annoyed and angry about how long this is taking. the saying is thatjustice delayed isjustice denied, and it's now a very long time since agnes's death. but an investigation is ongoing, the uk government is working hard to... the uk government is supporting the kenyans in the investigation whenever we are asked to do so. and we will support whatever requests are made of us in the future up to and including charging and extradition. and so, i'm happy to meet and discuss, i sympathise and understand as best i can, it's an awful thing that happened, a daughter is now grown—up. but the reality is that there is a legal process and those who are accused of this crime are entitled to that process just as much as those who are the victims. i spoke to the needs of agnes wanjiru and she welcomed the opportunity to meetjames heappey, she clearly hopes that this will be a step towards the iglesia seal journey towards justice. to a step towards the iglesia seal journey towardsjustice. to be clear, —— towards the clay seal journey towards justice. but he has left the country, and if there was a meeting it would be largely symbolic because as you heard, the ball is in kenya's court which is still investigating but until it concludes britain cannot take any action. if there was a meeting, james heappey could offer comfort and a listening area but not the apologies and compensation the family is asking for. . ~ compensation the family is asking for. ., ~ , ., compensation the family is asking for. . ~' , ., , compensation the family is asking for. ., ~ , . compensation the family is asking for. ., , . ., time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. a very good morning. welcome to bbc london. i'm thomas magill. the london borough of havering says it's secured the necessary assurances from the government to avoid effectively going bankrupt. a council meeting held last night heard that a so called �*capitalisation direction�* for the £53 million the council needs to balance its books has been confirmed. havering is also planning to raise council tax in april by the maximum allowed — and it's proposing £15 million worth of savings or cuts. the latest public meeting where people get the chance to question the mayor has been moved online after heckling at the last people's questions time. tonight 5 event was due to take place in richmond — but city hall moved it online claiming some of the behaviour from the audience caused safety concerns. all parties on the london assembly have opposed the mayors decision. the behaviour of theatregoers in london has got worse since the covid pandemic. the union bectu who represents front of house staff says 90 per cent of its workers have directly experienced or witnessed poor audience behaviour. incidents reported range from threats of violence to sexual harassment. behaviours have deteriorated post—pandemic. so whether it's a case of people forgetting how they're supposed to behave in theatres, or whether it's just generally that standards are dropping, i'm not quite sure. but some of these behaviors are really shocking. and our members, who are the lowest paid, who work in theatres, just really shouldn't have to experience that when they're at work. let's take a first look at how the tubes is running this morning. now onto the weather with kawser. good morning. a bit of a misty, murky start and a wet start to the day as well. today we are expecting heavy, persistent rain for a time and it stays mild after the mild start to the day. so, here's that persistent rain. it will be occasionally heavy, staying with us as we head into the afternoon, especially for more eastern parts. the winds are light and temperatures while staying at around 10 to 12 celsius. now, during the evening, that rain will be with us for a time. but clearing out and it does become drier overnight with clearer skies, allowing it to turn quite chilly. but by the end of the night, further outbreaks of rain are arriving in from the west and temperatures quite widely dipping to low single figures. but the winds will pick up from the southwest with low pressure dominating our weather for friday and into saturday as well. and we're drawing in some colder air. so there is the potential that some of this rain up over the hills, maybe a little wintry with some sleet mixed in as we look ahead to the weekend. then while still a bit unsettled for saturday, with some showers around but then becoming drier for sunday. that's your forecast. that's it from me — there's more on the bbc news app including details about the new timetable for the central line that's being introduced in an attempt to reduce delays. i'll be back in half an hour but for now lets go back to charlie and naga. hello, this is breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. the issue of assisted dying is a topic that divides opinion and has long been the subject of public debate. it's currently illegal in the uk, but withjersey and the isle of man all considering its legalisation, mps here are urging the government to hold a national conversation on the issue. our reporter graham satchell has more. sophie blake has been making memories, going on trips with family and friends, trying to live every moment. sophie has incurable breast cancer. in 2022, she was given just three years to live. the first person i wanted to speak to was my mum, and hearing this howl from her on the phone... whoo! that was really hard because i was breaking her heart, telling her that. it changes your life in that moment. everything, you know, in that moment, that everything that you planned for, all your dreams, your whole life is going to change. now sophie is down in the pits with the coventry team manager, gary havelock. iam. thanks, gary. it's been a tough start to the season. sophie had a long career as a sports reporter for sky and channel 5. before that, she was a model. in recent years, she's been charting her cancer treatments on social media. she knows exactly what's coming. what does that mean? and wants to be able to control the end of her life. i've lost family members who've died of stage four cancer, and i know that they've really suffered. a friend's mum died when i was younger of cancer, and i know she was in excruciating pain. if it comes to a point, i do want to be able to have control over it, because obviously we all know what cancer is like and it's relentless. i don't have a death wish. i love living. i love living life to the full. i've got no desire to die. i'd much rather die in my sleep as an old lady. of course i would. but if i can go with dignity and peacefully, then that would be a much nicer end of life than in excruciating pain. over the years, there have been various failed attempts to allow assisted dying in the uk. public opinion is now largely in favour of a change, but serious concerns remain. dr mark pickering is from the christian medical fellowship and the care not killing alliance. he's worked in hospices and says, with the right care, the end of life should be pain free. but he acknowledges access to palliative care can be patchy. there are thousands of people every year in the uk who die without access to good palliative care and that is shocking. that is shameful. and rather than saying then "let's change the law", we should say, "well, what went wrong there?" "how can we make that better?" there are ways to make it better. and that's really the crying shame when things are cruel and broken, when there isn't the access to the brilliant palliative care that there could be. dr pickering's main concern is whether there would be enough safeguards in place to protect vulnerable people who may feel they're a burden. elder abuse, financial abuse. we shouldn't pretend that all families are nice and loving or that all situations are reasonable. with some of my elderly relatives, i can't even get a straight answer about whether they want a cup of tea because it's like, "well, do you want to make a cup of tea?" "were you making one anyway?" and you extrapolate that to big issues about assisted dying, and it's very hard to know when people are really acting in a self—determined fashion. today, canadian prime minister justin trudeau introduced - legislation to legalize - physician assisted suicide. a deeply personal issue. canada introduced assisted dying in 2016. to begin with, it was only for those with a terminal illness. but in recent years it's been extended to those with chronic illnesses and disabilities. most of us in other countries have been looking at the runaway train of canadian legislative change on assisted dying and thinking, "this is where it will take us." this is a logical conclusion. but it becomes too easy? becomes too easy. that's right. and what we tend to find is that once something like this becomes acceptable, corners start to get cut. that's a country very like ours. and why wouldn't it happen here? sophie has been following the debate closely and believes if assisted dying was made legal here, it wouldn't be abused. there's so many safeguards put in place. i mean, it literally is from when you've got to the point where you've only.. you literally have six months left and there's nothing more they can do for you. and a couple of doctors have to give the ok. a high courtjudge then has to give the ok. and the dying person administers the drugs themselves. so it's not about politics or anything like that. this is about human beings and it's about their needs and it's about compassion. it's about people having control over the end of their lives and being able to die with dignity and peacefully and pain free. sophie has a teenage daughter. she doesn't want to leave her with a final memory of dying in pain and suffering with no dignity. graham satchell, bbc news. if you have been affected by any of the issues raised in this report, help is available on the bbc action line website — just visit bbc.co.uk/actionline. mike has the latest sport. good morning to you. you were talking about young and upcoming stars in teams. you are having quite an interesting conversation. we are talking about liverpool. i just talking about liverpool. i 'ust heard in the i talking about liverpool. i 'ust heard in the commentaryh talking about liverpool. ijust| heard in the commentary that talking about liverpool. iijlsii heard in the commentary that one of the guys in the booth said that in the guys in the booth said that in the liverpool academy they have a limit on the size of the engines in the car is the academy players can have, so they cannot spend fortunes on fancy cars when they are young. it's about looking after them and making _ it's about looking after them and making sure they have the right lifestyle — making sure they have the right lifestyle. they are young lads with money, _ lifestyle. they are young lads with money, a — lifestyle. they are young lads with money, a lot of money. it's not about— money, a lot of money. it's not about the — money, a lot of money. it's not about the money for the youngsters coming _ about the money for the youngsters coming through like jayden danns, born and _ coming through like jayden danns, born and bred in liverpool, and he actually— born and bred in liverpool, and he actually signed for them when he was ei-ht actually signed for them when he was eight and _ actually signed for them when he was eight and last night he scored two goals— eight and last night he scored two goals in_ eight and last night he scored two goals in front of the kop, a dream come _ goals in front of the kop, a dream come true — goals in front of the kop, a dream come true. said it was the best day of his_ come true. said it was the best day of his life _ come true. said it was the best day of his life and liverpool can save themselves a fortune on players coming — themselves a fortune on players coming through rows of the clubs will spend — coming through rows of the clubs will spend big to win a trophy but they've _ will spend big to win a trophy but they've got youngsters coming through— they've got youngsters coming through for them. they've invested eariy~ _ through for them. they've invested early. exactly. with all the fa cup ties being decided on the night, the quarter—final line up, is now complete and looks rather tasty. liverpool have their teenagers to thank for the win that earns them a trip to old rivals, manchester united, who themselves got a late winner, in nottingham. while in west london, there was also late drama, as chelsea finally over came championship high flyers, leeds. patrick gearey reports. gestures of defiance from chelsea and manchester united just when time was running out. mauricio pochettino had pleaded for patience after chelsea lost the efl cup final at the weekend, but his team soon wandered into trouble against second—tier leeds united. matteo joseph's goal. stand by for a shock. it startled the beleaguered blues into life. nicholas jackson, a striker much criticised, with the goal. he used as a rallying cry. and in time his teammates came with him. mudryk. fine goal. that's a really good chelsea goal. mudryk eased the panic. perhaps you can be too relaxed, especially when faced with leeds' undoubted quality. joseph again. to extra time and more stress loomed when, in the final moments, chelsea and conor gallagher released with victory therapy. it wasn't easy to recover. the team is so close. sunday, it's only three days. but this is going to, you know, to provide, i think, good spirit and good confidence. an fa cup win once kept sir alex ferguson in a job at manchester united. maybe the under—pressure erik ten hag could take inspiration. that was in short supply, until the final minutes against nottingham forest when casimero flicked in the winner. the slightest touch, the biggest goal for united. in the quarter finals they face liverpool, a team currently full of youthful exuberance. having won a trophy with a young team on sunday, jurgen klopp trusted the kids again. sure enough, 18—year—old louis koumas on his debut put them ahead against southampton. thenjayden danns, also 18, scored twice in front of the kop. viewed in this joyous light, liverpool look years younger. patrick gearey, bbc news. the teams knew what would be coming next, with the draw made before those games. in the other match last night, wolves beat brighton 1—0, and they now have a quarter—final against championship side coventry city. manchester united against liverpool is the tie that jumps out, while chelsea get another championship side, leaders leicester city, that's a repeat of the 2021 final which leicester won. and holders manchester city welcome newcastle united, who knocked city out of this season's league cup. rangers stay top of the scottish premiership, after coming from behind to win at kilmarnock. they were trailing to an early penalty, before second half goals, including the winner from tom lawrence, turned the match around. we knew this was a hard place to go to. all credit to kilmarnock who had a series of 1a games where they were only beaten one time and that was at ibrox. you know the circumstances are difficult to play the football we want to play, so it is a massive one to win the game and also to win the game with this great mentality that the player showed. and that's because at half time in their game, rivals celtic were winning 6—0. it finished 7—1 against dundee. a big boost for their goal difference but celtic are still two points behind rangers at the top. i thought the level of our football for a large part of that was really, really good. the speed in the game, the touch, the tempo was excellent. we created a lot of opportunities but overall a fantastic performance and a great result. two days before the first race of the formula one season, red bull's, team principal christian horner, has been cleared, following an internal investigation, into his behaviour towards a female colleague. allegations of, inappropriate and controlling behaviour had been made against the 50—year—old, horner, who always denied the allegations, red bull provided no details of the allegations or the investigation but said in a statement, that the team was confident that the investigation, had been fair, rigorous and impartial. practice for the first race gets underway in bahrain later today — the first of a record breaking 24 grands prix in 2024. max verstappen is heavy favourite to win a fourth straight title but a lot of focus remains on lewis hamilton's final season with mercedes before he makes the switch to ferrari, replacing carlos sainz. iam here i am here to deliver for them this year, so that is the focus, the same as any other year. it will be, it is emotional, and every week will be emotional, and every week will be emotional because the seat for it is your last seat fit for the team and your last seat fit for the team and you remember the first one. the winter test is the last winter test i will do with the team, so each will be a lot of emotional experience through the year, but we will do it together. in rugby union, owen farrell says, "the time feels right" to leave saracens, at the end of the season, after confirming the news. and made his first team debut aged 17. in his time at the club, the fly half, has won 6 premiership rugby titles and the european champions cup, 3 times. he hopes to add more silverware and finish his time at saracens, on a high, before he joins french club, racing 92, under former england head coach, stuart lancaster. andy murray says he would like to play in one more olympic games, before he retires. the olympic singles champion from london and rio was speaking prior to his defeat to ugo humbert in dubai. three—time grand slam winner lost in straight sets to the frenchman 6—2, 6—4. murray turns 37 in may, and speculation over his retirement date has intensified, after he has struggled for wins in recent months. and he says he's bored of answering those questions now but says he's unlikely to play beyond this summer. he gets asked a question after every metch— he gets asked a question after every match and _ he gets asked a question after every match and he says it will be the summen — match and he says it will be the summer. ., , , ~ .,, match and he says it will be the summer. ., , ~ �*, match and he says it will be the summer. .,,.,_ ~ �*, ., summer. probably. at least it's not before the summer. _ summer. probably. at least it's not before the summer. it _ summer. probably. at least it's not before the summer. it would - summer. probably. at least it's not before the summer. it would get i summer. probably. at least it's not l before the summer. it would get into the olympics- — we are talking about school attendance and it might be a subject in which you are interested. the government _ in which you are interested. the government say _ in which you are interested. tie: government say the in which you are interested. tte: government say the fines in which you are interested. tt9 government say the fines for unauthorised absences in england are set to increase from 60 to £80 and a renewed focus on what to do if there is a systematic nonattendance, so if you have thoughts on that, let us know as we will be speaking to the minister for schools later on. financial pressures mean more people are being forced to dip into their pension pots early — but it can come at a cost. ben's here with the details. it can come at a cost and i like to think you're listening carefully to what i'm talking about but especially this morning because the information could mean you avoid having to overpay thousands of pounds in unnecessary tax. it's a problem for lots of pensioners, and it's catching more and more people out. in 2015 "pension freedom" rules were introduced, it meant people aged 55 or over could take lump sums out of their personal pension pots. over time, more chose to do that, hitting a peak during the pandemic. these can be varying amounts and for all sorts of reasons such as everyday expenditure, home maintenance or a new car or holiday. but when you take money out of your pension early, only some of it is tax—free — usually the first 25% of your total pension pot. if you take out more than that, you have to pay tax on the rest, as though it were income. the tax is taken automatically but the problem is that thousands of pensioners have been charged too much tax. in the last financial year alone, nearly ten thousand pensioners claimed back five thousand pounds or more in overpaid tax — although the average refund was just over £3000. that 5 people like irene. she dipped into her pension pot to help with her daughter's wedding costs. what landed in her bank account — was a lot less than she expected. we agreed we'd help contribute towards — we agreed we'd help contribute towards the wedding cost and i thought— towards the wedding cost and i thought the best way to replenish my savings _ thought the best way to replenish my savings is _ thought the best way to replenish my savings is to take some money from my pension — savings is to take some money from my pension pot and take advantage of my pension pot and take advantage of my personal allowance for the year. i my personal allowance for the year. i calculated — my personal allowance for the year. i calculated that i would like to take _ i calculated that i would like to take out — i calculated that i would like to take out £16,760, which is effectively the personal allowance, plus some tax—free cash. my pension provider— plus some tax—free cash. my pension provider did _ plus some tax—free cash. my pension provider did say i would be put on an emergency tax code, so i did expect— an emergency tax code, so i did expect to — an emergency tax code, so i did expect to pay some income tax on that. — expect to pay some income tax on that. however, when i actually got the payment through, i found out that £4035 had been deducted for income _ that £4035 had been deducted for income tax. 50 that £4035 had been deducted for income tax— income tax. so she got taxed a uuarter income tax. so she got taxed a quarter of— income tax. so she got taxed a quarter of the _ income tax. so she got taxed a quarter of the total _ income tax. so she got taxed a quarter of the total lump - income tax. so she got taxed a quarter of the total lump sum l quarter of the total lump sum requested and here's why. and here 5 why, it's all to do with the tax—free allowance that everyone is entitled to. we all have a personal allowance and if you're not working you think it will be covered by the personal allowance but what happens with emergency rate tax, if you take a lump sum, the tax system expects you to receive every month, and even if you're and it's a one—off. so you any get 1/12 of the personal allowance. so if someone isn't a taxpayer at all, that is a substantial amount that they could have to claim back. one suggestion to avoid this happening is to take out a smaller amount first to trigger receiving that tax code, before you then take out the larger amount. but if you have overpaid you can either wait until the end of the tax year when hmrc will automatically refund you. or you can apply for an immediate tax reclaim which gets paid within 30 days. hmrc says it has no plans to change the system, as it could mean people paying too little tax then later being hit with an unexpected bill. so if you're thinking of dipping in to that pension pot, speak to your pension company before making any decisions. you want to be fully informed. it's one of you want to be fully informed. one of those you want to be fully informed. it�*s one of those things where it's worth getting the print out and saying this is the two scenarios and looking out the paperwork which can seem like a real pain, but it's worth it. this seem like a real pain, but it's worth it. : , seem like a real pain, but it's worth it. a , ., worth it. as we were preparing all this, i was — worth it. as we were preparing all this, i was looking _ worth it. as we were preparing all this, i was looking online and - worth it. as we were preparing all. this, i was looking online and there are calculators on there that give you a _ are calculators on there that give you a trit— are calculators on there that give you a bit of— are calculators on there that give you a bit of a guide. still check with— you a bit of a guide. still check with the — you a bit of a guide. still check with the company but you can put in the numbers you are thinking of and it works _ the numbers you are thinking of and it works out — the numbers you are thinking of and it works out what you should be paying — it works out what you should be paying or — it works out what you should be paying or might pay in tax and the implications for the rest of your pension — implications for the rest of your ension. :, ~ implications for the rest of your ension. :. ~' ,:, implications for the rest of your ension. :. ~' y:. , implications for the rest of your ension. :, ,, y:, , . pension. thank you very much. carol has the weather _ pension. thank you very much. carol has the weather now. _ pension. thank you very much. carol has the weather now. good - pension. thank you very much. carol| has the weather now. good morning. good morning to you as well. for some _ good morning to you as well. for some of— good morning to you as well. for some of us— good morning to you as well. for some of us it's a cloudy start and for some — some of us it's a cloudy start and for some of— some of us it's a cloudy start and for some of us it's a wet one and for some of us it's a wet one and for the _ for some of us it's a wet one and for the north— for some of us it's a wet one and for the north of the country and down _ for the north of the country and down towards the midlands, also a cold one _ down towards the midlands, also a cold one. we have rain pushing south-east— cold one. we have rain pushing south—east and also some blustery showers _ south—east and also some blustery showers across the far north of the country. _ showers across the far north of the country. and — showers across the far north of the country, and through the day as the rain pushes — country, and through the day as the rain pushes away from the south—east you find _ rain pushes away from the south—east you find it _ rain pushes away from the south—east you find it will turn colder. this is the _ you find it will turn colder. this is the offending weather front bringing the rain, pushing southwards, mild at the moment on the colder— southwards, mild at the moment on the colder air follows behind and look the colder air follows behind and took at _ the colder air follows behind and look at the wind arrows across the north-west — look at the wind arrows across the north—west of scotland as we are looking _ north—west of scotland as we are looking at — north—west of scotland as we are looking at gales through the course of the _ looking at gales through the course of the day— looking at gales through the course of the day and a plethora of showers _ of the day and a plethora of showers. at the moment the snow ievei— showers. at the moment the snow level is— showers. at the moment the snow level is above 500 metres but it will come — level is above 500 metres but it will come down to 200 metres through the day— will come down to 200 metres through the day and _ will come down to 200 metres through the day and after a drizzly start in the day and after a drizzly start in the south—east we have the rain pushing — the south—east we have the rain pushing down with a lot of cloud foiiowing — pushing down with a lot of cloud following behind and some showers in the west. _ following behind and some showers in the west, wintry in the hills of the north— the west, wintry in the hills of the north west of england and north—west wales _ north west of england and north—west wales. temperatures today ranging from six _ wales. temperatures today ranging from six in — wales. temperatures today ranging from six in the north to about nine as we _ from six in the north to about nine as we push— from six in the north to about nine as we push towards the south—east. that front _ as we push towards the south—east. that front clears through the evening, _ that front clears through the evening, dragging the cloud behind it and _ evening, dragging the cloud behind it and some clear skies on the temperature will fall away and then the next _ temperature will fall away and then the next area of low pressure with the next area of low pressure with the fronts — the next area of low pressure with the fronts coming our way introduce rain: _ the fronts coming our way introduce rain. sleet— the fronts coming our way introduce rain, sleet and hill snow across wales, — rain, sleet and hill snow across wales, the _ rain, sleet and hill snow across wales, the peak district and northern ireland. the skies remain clear— northern ireland. the skies remain ciear across — northern ireland. the skies remain clear across the north—east and this is where _ clear across the north—east and this is where the — clear across the north—east and this is where the temperatures will be their lowest, so we are looking up for us, _ their lowest, so we are looking up for us, but — their lowest, so we are looking up for us, but whichever way you look at it, _ for us, but whichever way you look at it. it _ for us, but whichever way you look at it. it will— for us, but whichever way you look at it, it will be a cold night air head — at it, it will be a cold night air head that— at it, it will be a cold night air head. that takes us into tomorrow and this— head. that takes us into tomorrow and this is— head. that takes us into tomorrow and this is the low pressure bringing _ and this is the low pressure bringing the rain, hill snow and sieet~ — bringing the rain, hill snow and sleet. quite a complex one and this area is— sleet. quite a complex one and this area is moving north, so expect to see snow— area is moving north, so expect to see snow on— area is moving north, so expect to see snow on the hills of northern ireiand, — see snow on the hills of northern ireland, southern scotland, the peaks— ireland, southern scotland, the peaks of— ireland, southern scotland, the peaks of the lake district, the cumbrian _ peaks of the lake district, the cumbrian fells and north wales above 200 metres. it will continue to drift— 200 metres. it will continue to drift north _ 200 metres. it will continue to drift north as we go through the day, _ drift north as we go through the day, getting into the southern uplands— day, getting into the southern uplands and behind it there will be a lot of— uplands and behind it there will be a lot of showers, and again, wintry in the _ a lot of showers, and again, wintry in the higher— a lot of showers, and again, wintry in the higher grounds of wales and the moors— in the higher grounds of wales and the moors and possibly into the midlands — the moors and possibly into the midlands but we are talking about the higher ground for the snow and rain at _ the higher ground for the snow and rain at lower levels and dry as we push _ rain at lower levels and dry as we push further north but it will be windy— push further north but it will be windy in— push further north but it will be windy in areas adjacent to the engiish — windy in areas adjacent to the english channel and the channel itself— english channel and the channel itself in — english channel and the channel itself in the wind is picking up across— itself in the wind is picking up across the north sea. these are the temperatures. between six and 9 degrees, — temperatures. between six and 9 degrees, so still feeling cold, and tomorrow— degrees, so still feeling cold, and tomorrow is the first day of the meteorological spring. as we head into the _ meteorological spring. as we head into the weekend, the low pressure is right— into the weekend, the low pressure is right across us and we have a weather— is right across us and we have a weather front pushing north and west taking _ weather front pushing north and west taking the _ weather front pushing north and west taking the rain with it. sunday iooks— taking the rain with it. sunday iooks dry— taking the rain with it. sunday looks dry but the weather front is close _ looks dry but the weather front is close to _ looks dry but the weather front is close to the east coast so on saturday, _ close to the east coast so on saturday, in essence, a showery day with some _ saturday, in essence, a showery day with some wintry conditions on the tops of— with some wintry conditions on the tops of the — with some wintry conditions on the tops of the hills but not as windy. there _ tops of the hills but not as windy. there witt— tops of the hills but not as windy. there will be some sunshine on either— there will be some sunshine on either side _ there will be some sunshine on either side of the showers, but again. — either side of the showers, but again. it — either side of the showers, but again. it is _ either side of the showers, but again, it is still going to feel coid — again, it is still going to feel cold wherever you are. carol, c later and thanks. as we've been hearing this morning, from september, parents in england will face higher fines for taking their children out of school without permission. it's part of a government drive to improve attendance rates — which have been falling since the pandemic. we're joined now by karl harrison, the headteacher at burnage academy for boys. a snapshot of the school, how big is the school and what age? ads, a snapshot of the school, how big is the school and what age? a thousand students and — the school and what age? a thousand students and its _ the school and what age? a thousand students and its level _ the school and what age? a thousand students and its level 16 _ the school and what age? a thousand students and its level 16 -- _ the school and what age? a thousand students and its level 16 -- 11 - the school and what age? a thousand students and its level 16 -- 11 to - students and its level 16 —— 11 to 16 and _ students and its level 16 —— 11 to 16 and we — students and its level 16 —— 11 to 16 and we are boys school in south manchester. a 16 and we are boys school in south manchester-— 16 and we are boys school in south manchester. : ., , ~ manchester. a good answer. all the information — manchester. a good answer. all the information there. _ manchester. a good answer. all the information there. give _ manchester. a good answer. all the information there. give me - manchester. a good answer. all the information there. give me a - manchester. a good answer. all the information there. give me a first i information there. give me a first thought about what you think of their plans of the government? what is your overriding thought? t’m their plans of the government? what is your overriding thought?— is your overriding thought? i'm glad the 're is your overriding thought? i'm glad they're paying _ is your overriding thought? i'm glad they're paying attention _ is your overriding thought? i'm glad they're paying attention to - is your overriding thought? i'm glad they're paying attention to and - they're paying attention to and they've — they're paying attention to and they've come up with a strategy and it's ireen— they've come up with a strategy and it's been three years in the making and since _ it's been three years in the making and since the pandemic we had a lot of challenges with attendance and it's not got much _ with attendance and it's not got much better. my own school attendance is strong that across the country _ attendance is strong that across the country we've been hit hard, so i'm -lad country we've been hit hard, so i'm glad they— country we've been hit hard, so i'm glad they are doing something but like with— glad they are doing something but like with any strategy, it will be in the _ like with any strategy, it will be in the fermentation and execution how effective it will be and some parts _ how effective it will be and some parts of — how effective it will be and some parts of it — how effective it will be and some parts of it will be more effective than _ parts of it will be more effective than others. parts of it will be more effective than others— parts of it will be more effective than others. , ., ., i, , than others. give me your analysis. what do you _ than others. give me your analysis. what do you see — than others. give me your analysis. what do you see on _ than others. give me your analysis. what do you see on this, _ than others. give me your analysis. what do you see on this, raising . than others. give me your analysis. | what do you see on this, raising the fines, for example. and you being oblige, if i understand this correctly, entering every absence in a pooled data scheme so it can be looked at by others. if a pooled data scheme so it can be looked at by others.— looked at by others. if you're -auttin looked at by others. if you're putting information - looked at by others. if you're putting information into - looked at by others. if you're putting information into a - looked at by others. if you're - putting information into a database, if it's useful to the school, then good, _ if it's useful to the school, then good, but — if it's useful to the school, then good, but schools already track information on attendant say what additional— information on attendant say what additional information will give schoois. — additional information will give schools, i'm not sure. anyone anaiysing _ schools, i'm not sure. anyone analysing it externally, i'm not sure _ analysing it externally, i'm not sure how — analysing it externally, i'm not sure how useful it will be because the school — sure how useful it will be because the school analyses attendance every day anyway. the the school analyses attendance every da an a. , :, day anyway. the department for education says _ day anyway. the department for education says the _ day anyway. the department for education says the sharing - day anyway. the department for education says the sharing of. day anyway. the department for l education says the sharing of daily school registers will help schools spot and support children displaying worrying trends of persistent absence or those in danger of becoming missing in education. i just wonder how you react to that. my just wonder how you react to that. my assumption would be that schools are already doing it. thea;r are already doing it. they do already do — are already doing it. they do already do it _ are already doing it. they do already do it unless - are already doing it. they do already do it unless there's i are already doing it. they do | already do it unless there's a are already doing it. they do - already do it unless there's a level of sophistication in analysis we are unaware _ of sophistication in analysis we are unaware of— of sophistication in analysis we are unaware of but schools do that and we do _ unaware of but schools do that and we do it _ unaware of but schools do that and we do it well. the problem is not the analysis, the problem is the challenge — the analysis, the problem is the challenge of getting students into school _ challenge of getting students into school. ~ :, challenge of getting students into school. ~ . ., ., challenge of getting students into school. ~ . ., :, , , school. what about the other issue, raisin the school. what about the other issue, raising the finds? _ school. what about the other issue, raising the finds? will _ school. what about the other issue, raising the finds? will about - school. what about the other issue, raising the finds? will about be - raising the finds? will about be impactful in your opinion? t raising the finds? will about be impactful in your opinion? i don't think so. impactful in your opinion? i don't think so- i _ impactful in your opinion? i don't think so. i don't _ impactful in your opinion? i don't think so. i don't think— impactful in your opinion? i don't think so. i don't think so. - impactful in your opinion? i don't think so. i don't think so. why i impactful in your opinion? i don't i think so. i don't think so. why not? ultimately a — think so. i don't think so. why not? ultimately a summary _ think so. i don't think so. why not? ultimately a summary has - think so. i don't think so. why not? ultimately a summary has a - think so. i don't think so. why not? ultimately a summary has a view i think so. i don't think so. why not? i ultimately a summary has a view they will take _ ultimately a summary has a view they will take the child out for a holiday— will take the child out for a holiday and have an unauthorised absence. — holiday and have an unauthorised absence, and they do so because the holiday— absence, and they do so because the holiday companies charge substantially more, that is the problem. _ substantially more, that is the problem, which we will never solve, but that's— problem, which we will never solve, but that's the problem. if you are saving _ but that's the problem. if you are saving £2000 on holiday, what's an extra _ saving £2000 on holiday, what's an extra £20 _ saving £2000 on holiday, what's an extra £20 on a fine. if you're looking — extra £20 on a fine. if you're looking at— extra £20 on a fine. if you're looking at it pragmatically, it won't — looking at it pragmatically, it won't make that much difference to individuals— won't make that much difference to individuals so the solution is to work— individuals so the solution is to work with— individuals so the solution is to work with parents. at individuals so the solution is to work with parents.— individuals so the solution is to work with parents. at the other end ofthe work with parents. at the other end of the scale, _ work with parents. at the other end of the scale, one _ work with parents. at the other end of the scale, one of— work with parents. at the other end of the scale, one of the _ work with parents. at the other end of the scale, one of the statistics i of the scale, one of the statistics is that pupils eligible for free school meals are more likely to be absence or persistently absent than pupils not eligible. raising fines for those families? we pupils not eligible. raising fines for those families?— pupils not eligible. raising fines for those families? we are already in very austere _ for those families? we are already in very austere times _ for those families? we are already in very austere times for _ for those families? we are already in very austere times for pretty - in very austere times for pretty much _ in very austere times for pretty much everybody, but particularly for students _ much everybody, but particularly for students from disadvantaged communities, disadvantaged families, that's particular challenging. it will be — that's particular challenging. it will be more difficult. but in principle _ will be more difficult. but in principle it doesn't especially work anyway~ _ principle it doesn't especially work anyway. i�*m principle it doesn't especially work an a . �* principle it doesn't especially work an a. �* , ,, :, anyway. i'm getting the impression we will be speaking _ anyway. i'm getting the impression we will be speaking to _ anyway. i'm getting the impression we will be speaking to the - anyway. i'm getting the impression we will be speaking to the minister| we will be speaking to the minister for schools later on, but with your knowledge of your school and how your school actually operates, the things proposed here are not going to make any difference to the way that you deal with absences in schools. have i got that right? it’s schools. have i got that right? it's horribly early to say and i'd like to see — horribly early to say and i'd like to see more of it. —— it's probably too early— to see more of it. —— it's probably too early to— to see more of it. —— it's probably too early to say. the strategies are well known — too early to say. the strategies are well known and there is not some panacea _ well known and there is not some panacea out there we haven't discovered. everybody in schools knows _ discovered. everybody in schools knows what the solutions are but no solutions _ knows what the solutions are but no solutions are difficult to implement and usually it is resources and time and usually it is resources and time and also _ and usually it is resources and time and also the — and usually it is resources and time and also the challenges of individual schools. some schools have _ individual schools. some schools have more — individual schools. some schools have more challenges with attendance than others. i do welcome something that's— than others. i do welcome something that's trying to do something about it, that's trying to do something about it. irut— that's trying to do something about it. but it's — that's trying to do something about it, but it's very early days, and i'm sceptical of the impact of it because — i'm sceptical of the impact of it because when things are nationally agreed, _ because when things are nationally agreed, sometimes the impact is and miss _ agreed, sometimes the impact is and miss. , , agreed, sometimes the impact is and miss. 3, , ~' agreed, sometimes the impact is and miss. , ,, ., ., miss. basically i think what you are sa in: is miss. basically i think what you are saying is that _ miss. basically i think what you are saying is that resources _ miss. basically i think what you are saying is that resources would - miss. basically i think what you are saying is that resources would be l saying is that resources would be the most valuable thing you could get to make a difference to attendance in your school. is it a straightforward equation? yes. attendance in your school. is it a straightforward equation? yes, the limitations on _ straightforward equation? yes, the limitations on schools _ straightforward equation? yes, the limitations on schools are - straightforward equation? yes, the limitations on schools are normallyj limitations on schools are normally on resources and people to do the 'obs on resources and people to do the jobs effectively. and schools work very hard — jobs effectively. and schools work very hard to do that but it's challenging because you are balancing priorities.- challenging because you are balancing priorities. there is going to be a national— balancing priorities. there is going to be a national attendance - to be a national attendance ambassador who will work with schools and school leaders to champion attendance and share effective practice and support the ongoing development of attendance hubs. will that help? it ongoing development of attendance hubs. will that help?— hubs. will that help? it might help some schools, _ hubs. will that help? it might help some schools, and _ hubs. will that help? it might help some schools, and sharing - hubs. will that help? it might help some schools, and sharing good i some schools, and sharing good practice — some schools, and sharing good practice is— some schools, and sharing good practice is good and some schools do that anyway— practice is good and some schools do that anyway but there isn't a secret nobody _ that anyway but there isn't a secret nobody knows about so sharing the -ood nobody knows about so sharing the good ideas, people are aware of the -ood good ideas, people are aware of the good ideas — good ideas, people are aware of the good ideas but it's how effectively the ideas — good ideas but it's how effectively the ideas are implemented and if certain— the ideas are implemented and if certain schools are doing it better than others, they might be able to help other— than others, they might be able to help other schools. it depends how often _ help other schools. it depends how often they— help other schools. it depends how often they meet, how much impact it has. often they meet, how much impact it has its— often they meet, how much impact it has it's not— often they meet, how much impact it has it's not a — often they meet, how much impact it has. it's not a bad idea, i don't think. — has. it's not a bad idea, idon't think. but— has. it's not a bad idea, i don't think, but again it will depend on how well— think, but again it will depend on how well it — think, but again it will depend on how well it is executed. interesting to hear your _ how well it is executed. interesting to hear your thoughts. _ how well it is executed. interesting to hear your thoughts. what - how well it is executed. interesting to hear your thoughts. what times | to hear your thoughts. what times you have to be there? well, pretty soon. we you have to be there? well, pretty soon- we will— you have to be there? well, pretty soon. we will let _ you have to be there? well, pretty soon. we will let you _ you have to be there? well, pretty soon. we will let you go, - you have to be there? well, pretty soon. we will let you go, we - you have to be there? well, pretty soon. we will let you go, we don't| soon. we will let you go, we don't want you to get told off for not being there. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. a very good morning, welcome to bbc london, i'm thomas magill. the london borough of havering says it's secured the necessary assurances from the government to avoid effectively going bankrupt. the council says a so—called capitalisation direction for £53 million to help them balance their books has been confirmed. havering is also planning to raise council tax in april by the maximum allowed. mps have been told pedicabs are turning the west end into the "wild west end" during a commons debate last night on a new bill to regulate their use. the conservative mp for the cities of london and westminster nickie aiken said they've become an overwhelming nuisance. the bill was passed by mps and will now go to the house of lords. tonight's people's question time where the public get the chance to ask the mayor of london sadiq khan questions has been moved online after heckling took place at the last event. city hall took the decision to cancel the in—person meeting saying they had some safety concerns. all parties on the london assembly including labour have opposed the mayor's decision. sticking with audience behaviour and the union that represents front—of—house theatre staff in the west end says the behaviour of theatregoers has got worse since the pandemic. they say 90% of its workers have directly experienced or witnessed bad behaviour. incidents reported range from threats of violence to sexual harassment. behaviours have deteriorated post—pandemic. so whether it's a case of people forgetting how they're supposed to behave in theatres, or whether it's just generally that standards are dropping, i'm not quite sure. but some of these behaviors are really shocking. and our members, who are the lowest paid, who work in theatres, just really shouldn't have to experience that when they're at work. let's take a look at how the tube is running. there's a good service on all of the network. now onto the weather with kawser. good morning. a bit of a misty, murky start and a wet start to the day as well. today we are expecting heavy, persistent rain for a time and it stays mild after the mild start to the day. so, here's that persistent rain. it will be occasionally heavy, staying with us as we head into the afternoon, especially for more eastern parts. the winds are light and temperatures while staying at around 10 to 12 celsius. now, during the evening, that rain will be with us for a time. but clearing out and it does become drier overnight with clearer skies, allowing it to turn quite chilly. but by the end of the night, further outbreaks of rain are arriving in from the west and temperatures quite widely dipping to low single figures. but the winds will pick up from the southwest with low pressure dominating our weather for friday and into saturday as well. and we're drawing in some colder air. so there is the potential that some of this rain up over the hills, maybe a little wintry with some sleet mixed in as we look ahead to the weekend. good morning, welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today. mps call on the government to come up with a plan on assisted dying if the isle of man and jersey change their laws. parents in england will face bigger fines if their children miss school without permission. a new appeal to parents to get their children vaccinated. there's a warning serious illnesses could re—emerge unless uptake improves. manchester united will host liverpool in the last eight of the fa cup. a late casemiro goal beats nottingham forest to set up the pick of the ties in the quarterfinals. good morning. for scotland and northern ireland, a mixture of sunshine and blustery showers with gales in the far north, england and wales had rain pushing south—east, a lot of cloud behind it and for all of us it will feel colder. it's thursday, 29th of february. our main story. a group of mps have urged ministers to consider the implications for the uk, if assisted dying is legalised in the isle of man and jersey. the health select committee has published a report, which it hopes will provide evidence for future debates about the law. opponents say the current legislation protects people from coming under pressure to end their lives. here's our medical editor, fergus walsh. the mps don't make recommendations for or against assisted dying. rather, the aim of their report is to serve as a basis for debate on what they call this difficult, sensitive, yet crucial subject. more and more countries in europe have legalised assisted dying in some form, along with new zealand, australia, canada and ten states in the us. the mps say they saw no evidence that palliative and end of life care had deteriorated as a result, and in some instances it had improved. the committee calls for more money for hospices in england, which only get a third of their funding from the nhs. while assisted dying remains illegal throughout the uk, the mps say it looks increasingly likely it will be allowed injersey or the isle of man, both crown dependencies. the report says ministers at westminster should be actively involved in discussions about what the implications of that might be. the fact is we are all going to die. the issue was back in the spotlight recently when dame esther rantzen, who has advanced cancer, revealed she had joined the swiss assisted dying organisation dignitas. since 2015, more than 250 people from the uk have ended their lives at dignitas. the 83—year—old broadcaster wants another free vote on assisted dying in parliament. if every party would just put this in their manifesto that we will hold a debate, that we will have a free vote and hopefully the rest of us also will have a choice about the way we want to end our lives. it's nearly a decade since mps last voted on assisted dying, rejecting it by nearly three to one. campaigners for a law change are pinning their hopes on the new intake of mps at the next election, hoping more will be sympathetic to their cause. the government says any change is a matter for parliament. opponents say legalising assisted dying would undermine support for the frail and vulnerable. i think this will fundamentally change the way we react to people towards the end of their lives. at the moment, all of my focus is around helping patients to live the rest of their lives as comfortably as possible and with all the independence and choice that we can give them. suddenly, i think if assisted suicide is in the room, that's a very difficult decision patients have to take. i think it distorts the priorities of care and it risks changing the focus away from providing them with really good care into a kind of should i, shouldn't i discussion, which ultimately i don't think is going to benefit the vast majority of patients. the mps say they want a national strategy for death literacy and support following a terminal diagnosis to help improve understanding of end of life care. fergus walsh, bbc news. the time is six minutes past seven. naga has more on a focus on attendance in school. yes, we have just been talking about this with the head teacher. parents in england who take their children out of school without permission, will face higher fines, as part of a drive to boost attendance. from september, each parent will face an £80 penalty rising to £160 if not paid within three weeks. our education editor, branwenjeffreys, has more. at this little primary in grimsby, fewer children are missing days than last year. the staff work with parents to make school welcoming. but some families say they can only afford holidays in term time. the rules leave the school limited options. as a school, we follow all the processes, all the statutory processes, and we do fine parents, but we feel that doesn't have an impact. the thing that most supports our parents in understanding the children, the importance of children being in school is the relationships. so yes, the fines are one thing, but that support and those relationships we offer our parents is the most important thing. fines for missing school without permission will change in england from september. at the moment, it's £60 per parent. next school year it will be £80 per parent, going up to £160 if not paid, with a maximum two fines per parent every three years. as a parent, your chance of being fined depends on where you live, and that's because different councils have been setting their own policies. these new guidelines say schools must consider a fine after five days of unauthorised absence. headteachers will still have some discretion, but this is a tougher approach and it is likely to lead to more fines. some parents struggle to get support for children's mental health. others face delays getting help for special educational needs. at a play centre in redcar, we asked parents what they thought about fines. i think it's shocking and i don't think anyone's going to listen to it because it won't stop me from taking my child out if i can only afford that time. i think it's a bit frustrating because fair enough, education's important but so's life experiences, and not all parents can afford to take the kids on holidays during term time. at the grimsby school, the education secretary heard from children. so if you're really ill but if you've just got a sniffle and you're feeling... a cough or something, then you can come in. here, they have points and prizes to encourage attendance. fines are a last resort for most schools, so why increase them? i think it's just about having that consistent approach. the problem we're trying to solve actually is people taking their children out voluntarily, really, maybe to go on holiday or something like that. so what would you say directly to parents about why you think there is a place for fines in the system? obviously, we want to support those parents and those children that are struggling to go in school. but if it's a deliberate decision to take your child out of school for unauthorised absence, then that's something that we don't want to encourage in the school system. something has shifted in communities since covid. the link between school and families more fragile and still many children are missing a lot of lessons. branwenjeffreys, bbc news, grimsby. the family of emma caldwell have called for a public inquiry into failures by the authorities, after iain packer was found guilty of her murder 19 years after first being questioned by police. he was also convicted of 11 rapes and multiple sexual assaults against 21 other women. after police scotland apologised, the lawyer representing emma's mother said victims had not received the justice they deserved. the police failed so many women and girls who came forward to speak against packer. instead of receiving justice and compassion, they were humiliated, they were dismissed, and in some instances, they were arrested. whilst the police gifted freedom to an evil predator to rape and to rape again. voting has started in rochdale, where people will head to the polls to elect a new mp. the by—election was called after the death of labour mp sir tony lloyd injanuary. there are 11 candidates standing, with results expected early on friday morning. the armed forces minister, james heappey, has offered to meet the family of a kenyan woman, who was allegedly killed by a british soldier in 2012. the death of agnes wanjiru has caused widespread anger after a 2019 inquest held in kenya concluded she was murdered by one or more british soldiers and found signs of a potential cover up. if i were agnes's family i would be deeply annoyed and angry about how long this is taking. the saying is thatjustice delayed isjustice denied, and it's now a very long time since agnes's death. but an investigation is ongoing, the uk government is working hard to... the uk government is supporting the kenyans in the investigation whenever we are asked to do so. and we will support whatever requests are made of us in the future up to and including charging and extradition. president biden and donald trump will both travel to the border between the us and mexico today, to outline their polices on immigration which is likely to be a key issue in the american presidential race. mr trump is expected to address crowds in the town of eagle pass, from where our correspondent tom bateman reports. searching in the shadows along the route of the rio grande. we've joined a night patrol searching a favoured landing spot for people who have made a perilous journey to reach the us. this texas rancher says last month hundreds of people swam and waded onto his land here. and we trace one narrow path in a global wave of the displaced. well, there are clothes everywhere, water bottles, bags, signs of life. this is treacherous and you can see just how well—worn this is for people making their way into america. angele, seven months pregnant, crossed the rio grande yesterday at 3am. herjourney from honduras's most violent city gripped by gang warfare began two years ago, and now she struggles with tears of relief, having crossed one of the world's great divides. translation: i was holding hands with another pregnant woman - when we crossed the river. the water was very cold and we were afraid of being swept by currents. i was so relieved once we made it to the land. record numbers of people seen here last month have been crossing, driven by conflict and instability, drawn by the post—pandemic jobs gap in america. but in an angrily divided country, a broken system for dealing with immigration claims has become a major election issue. the town's former police chief told us the system is failing everyone. what's the situation? it's terrible. we need to get biden out. that's it, plain and simple. we need to get trump in there to, you know, be more forceful and let our border patrol guys do theirjob. and trump style proposals are on full show. the republican governor of texas has sent state troops to the river bank, he says, to deter migrants, although there are few signs of its longer term impact. we watched as state forces stopped to check federal patrol trucks. a challenge to mr biden's authority at the border. you don't trust the federal government to deal with the problem? i'm not going to... all right, y'all. i'm not going to answer that. further south along the river today, president biden will accuse mr trump of deliberately wrecking his plans in congress for stricter rules at the border. another local, jessie fuentes, takes me to see the governor's buoys and razor wire laid along the river. he calls them a political stunt, which only risk more drownings. from 1894 to 1924 we had ellis island in america and it oversaw the processing of 7 to 12 million anglo—saxon immigrants, and it only took them 7 hours to process them, each one. so i'm saying, you know, if we could do it back then, we could do the same thing and invest in that. this border path is now on the campaign trail, and america's issue with immigration is set to be a decisive one in the race for the white house. tom bateman, bbc news, eagle pass in texas. former leeds rhino player rob burrow and his family have met the princess royal as a special thank you to those raising awareness of motor neurone disease. over the last four years, more than £8.2 million has been raised for the mnd association, a charity princess anne is the royal patron of. they met at an event at headingley stadium yesterday. it's been brilliant to be here, the rugby community have done so much to support rob and notjust rob but the whole mnd community and the fundraising and awareness has been amazing. so to be here today in the presence of her royal highness princess royal has just been fantastic, it's been a brilliant day. here's carol with a look at this morning's weather. there's a rainbow! yes, you're right, we have got a rainbow, showers and rain in the forecast, cloud, a bit of sunshine, even wintriness, all going on at the moment. :, even wintriness, all going on at the moment. ., :, , ., ,, moment. the weather front is taking rain in the south-east _ moment. the weather front is taking rain in the south-east of— moment. the weather front is taking rain in the south-east of england - rain in the south—east of england currently, it will be drier but some showers around for most of us, colder than it has been. the weather front pushing south—east, drizzly conditions, murky in the south—west, showers in northern ireland and scotland. at the moment it is 500 metres, the wintry showers, but they will come down during the day. a lot of cloud and rain into the south—east, some of that will be heavy, behind it cloudy for england and wales with one or two showers, northern ireland and scotland seeing sunshine and showers through the day but blustery winds with gales across the far west of scotland including the far west of scotland including the northern and western isles. the snow level drops to 200 metres, there will be some brightness, but we could equally see some showers across north—west england and north wales. it is going to be a colder day, temperatures dropping to eight or nine in the south—east. you can see how the rain clears, clear skies following on behind, quite a frost to start with and an area of low pressure with a weather front comes in bringing some hill snow, some sleet and some rain. snow is mostly going to be on the hills, and with those temperatures we are looking at a frosty start to the day tomorrow. tomorrow the combination of rain, sleet and hail snow pushes north, getting into southern scotland, a lot of showers behind, windy through the english channel with the wind picking up across the north sea. brightest conditions in the far north but another cold day. thank you. last week, the odysseus space craft made history, when it became the first ever privately built vehicle to land on the moon. now, the first pictures of the robot on the moon's surface have been released revealing more details about its journey so far. our science correspondent pallab ghosh has more. go, spacex. a perfect launch and a faultless separation. lunar lander separation confirmed. and a smooth journey to the moon. but landing is always the hardest part and so it proved. on the lunar surface, you can see one of the legs on the left broken. and this image shows a spacecraft leaning over. this evening, the head of the private company that built the lander explained why the landing was so hard. innovation came from being absolutely over constrained, where you didn't have enough time, you didn't have enough money, and you were trying to tackle a problem that seemed almost intractable. so what actually went wrong? an hour before landing, engineers announced that the lasers that measured the distance to the ground weren't working. as a result, flight engineers had to rapidly develop a back—up system. unfortunately, the computer couldn't keep up, and it thought the spacecraft was 100 metres higher than it really was. so it hit the ground harder than planned. one of its six legs broke and the spacecraft tilted with its main solar panel facing the ground. so does this count as a success or a failure? fantastic success. you know, superb. first time a commercial company's ever managed to do this. and, you know, they've done it right first time. the landing was a little bit wonky, it doesn't really matter in the bigger scheme of things. they've got all the data, so next time they'll get 100% right. and i think they're ready to go again already. intuitive machines are scheduled to have a more ambitious moon mission in just a few months�* time. the company says it�*s learnt from the experience and plans a faultless landing next time around. pallab ghosh, bbc news. health experts have warned that children are "suffering needlessly" because fewer parents are taking up the offer for routine childhood vaccines. a public health campaign has now been launched, aiming to remind parents of the serious risks of diseases like measles amid a rise in cases across england. our reporter charlie rose has more. our generation�*s risk of illnesses... like measles and whooping cough is rising. if we're not vaccinated... we�*re not protected. a new campaign with a serious and urgent warning to parents to get children protected against a range of dangerous diseases. over the last decade, uptake of all childhood vaccines offered through the nhs programmes has been falling, including vaccines that offer protection from things like meningitis, measles, whooping cough and polio. so england no longer has the immunity levels recommended by the world health organization needed to prevent outbreaks. and this is why we�*re tragically seeing measles cases spreading around the country with far too many children becoming seriously ill and being hospitalised. since the beginning of october last year, the total number of confirmed cases of measles in england has now reached 650, including 183 newly confirmed cases in the past four weeks. 43% of those have been reported from the west midlands, followed by 19% in the north west, 14% in london and 10% in the east midlands. and in each of those areas, vaccine uptake is below the crucial target of 95%, the level needed to stop measles from spreading. in many ways, vaccines are a victim of their own success. we know from the research that we�*ve done in preparing for this campaign that parents may not feel that infection like measles is a real and present danger for their children because they�*re no longer common, because in general, vaccine uptake is high. so what we need to do is actually he needs his mmr. health officials say complacency, busy family lives and parents�* lack of knowledge of the illnesses may also play a part. working with the nhs, they�*re now anxious to protect any children who�*ve missed out, such as these in peterborough. we really don�*t know when we might get the measles or any other invisible diseases, and i think all parents should make it a priority for their kids to have these immunizations. it is important because it prevents people from diseases. and those diseases can also kill young children and adults. that's why it's really important. but health officials say they know reversing this decline in vaccine uptake will take time and are planning to launch similar campaigns like this during the rest of the year. charlie rose, bbc news. we�*re nowjoined by the chief executive of the uk health security agency, professorjenny harries. (two +1) good morning. are you able to identify clearly yet what the reason is that the number of number of families and children being vaccinated is lower than it was? what we have seen in the data is that over a number of years, we can go back ten years, if you look at each quarter which we do routinely, you can see a steady drop off. it is about 0.1% of vaccine coverage going down for childhood vaccinations. that doesn�*t sound very much, but it is persistent. if you look at the covid years, you can see a bit of a bump, people were obviously thinking about vaccination. but this isn�*t something new, this is a steady decline. when we look at the reasons for that, decline. when we look at the reasons forthat, probably decline. when we look at the reasons for that, probably a couple, quite mundane things like people are busy trying to fit in to your schedule, especially if you have got a lot of children were small altogether, trying to get to a gp or school, so making access easy for people is really important. and then i think people have just forgotten what some of the childhood illnesses are like and some of the risks. i�*m old enough to be the generation where i have had many of those childhood illnesses, because vaccines were not available. it�*s been so successful in many ways that parents don�*t quite understand what the risks are and in some cases medical colleagues aren�*t used to seeing them. lanthem and in some cases medical colleagues aren't used to seeing them. when you talk about the — aren't used to seeing them. when you talk about the risks, _ aren't used to seeing them. when you talk about the risks, when _ aren't used to seeing them. when you talk about the risks, when did - aren't used to seeing them. when you talk about the risks, when did it - talk about the risks, when did it become problematic! is it problematic now and if not, what does problematic look like? it problematic in the sense that we are not adequately protected. blue ha would like everywhere to be at about 95% -- the who. would like everywhere to be at about 95% —— the who. because that stops illnesses being prevalent in the population so your likelihood of catching it is much reduced, you are not going to bump into someone who has got the virus, and the likelihood of you then passing it on to somebody else is reduced. there are two protection issues, the personal protection of the child or young adult, but equally important, if you have someone in your family who has had cancer or who is on steroids, has an immunosuppressant condition, they are not able to respond in the same way so you will be protecting yourself, yourfamily, and your neighbours and school friends. t and your neighbours and school friends. , , ., . . ., friends. i remember being vaccinated at school, friends. i remember being vaccinated at school. we — friends. i remember being vaccinated at school, we were _ friends. i remember being vaccinated at school, we were just _ friends. i remember being vaccinated at school, we were just all _ at school, we were just all vaccinated at the same time, does that not happen? it vaccinated at the same time, does that not happen?— that not happen? it does, and this is a treat that not happen? it does, and this is a great moment _ that not happen? it does, and this is a great moment for— that not happen? it does, and this is a great moment for me - that not happen? it does, and this is a great moment for me to - that not happen? it does, and this is a great moment for me to give. that not happen? it does, and this| is a great moment for me to give a positive call out to do gp practices, nurses and health visitors, who provide most of these vaccines. there is an important message, the uk has very good vaccine uptake rates. even in low areas we are sitting just about 80%. but the trick is to get us up to 95%. so a small percentage of children in a whole country not being vaccinated starts to cause problems for them and for the rest of theirfamilies and problems for them and for the rest of their families and communities. it's of their families and communities. it�*s obviously a fact that there will be a household, parents watching you right now, who are the people who have not had their children vaccinated, and you have said yourself, there could be a number of reasons. they might still yet given what you have said to be going, do you know what, most people are vaccinated, i don�*t much like the idea of a needle going into my child. there might be a number of things knocking around which means they go, i will leave it. what would you say to anyone who has got either one of those things looking round in their head, whichjust means right now they go, i don�*t think so? t now they go, i don't think so? i would strongly encourage them to do that. these childhood illnesses, the most people they will be fine but for some there are really significant consequences. for example with measles, children can get an inflammation of the lungs, they get a disease, for some of them it can go on and cause significant issues for example ending up in hospital or death. rubella for example, we are not talking just about measles, it all childhood vaccines, if you are vaccinated now, later on in life when you are not thinking about this and if you get pregnant, you�*re not going to worry about your unborn child to have rubella when pregnant can cause significant congenital abnormalities in children. please think really carefully about some of the risks. but separately from that, i think most parents want to do what is right to their children and they often don�*t know, they are not sure about some of the stories they have heard. we were talking earlier about the wakefield years where people were concerned about a link with autism, that is completely negated now, doctorwakefield autism, that is completely negated now, doctor wakefield was taken of the gmc register, he�*s not a doctor any more. and if people talk through with a trusted professional, go the nhs website, don�*t go to social media, go to the person that you trust and that might be a faith leader in your community, it might be your local gp, we would really encourage people just ask whatever question is bothering them, ask their health professional. it�*s question is bothering them, ask their health professional. it's not 'ust the their health professional. it's not just the uk, _ their health professional. it's not just the uk, this _ their health professional. it's not just the uk, this is _ their health professional. it's not just the uk, this is a _ their health professional. it's not just the uk, this is a problem - just the uk, this is a problem across europe? it�*s just the uk, this is a problem across europe?— just the uk, this is a problem across europe? just the uk, this is a problem across euroe? �*, ., , across europe? it's a problem across euro -e in across europe? it's a problem across europe in two _ across europe? it's a problem across europe in two ways. _ across europe? it's a problem across europe in two ways. we _ across europe? it's a problem across europe in two ways. we have - across europe? it's a problem across europe in two ways. we have always| europe in two ways. we have always had very good vaccination rates here, in some countries have not had that benefit for as long as we have had. but talking about measles predominantly, there are other infections as well, the cases across europe have really rocketed. do you think it's going _ europe have really rocketed. do you think it's going to _ europe have really rocketed. do you think it's going to have _ europe have really rocketed. do you think it's going to have to _ europe have really rocketed. do you think it's going to have to get - europe have really rocketed. do you think it's going to have to get to - think it�*s going to have to get to the point, if the uptake doesn�*t increase, obviously there is this campaign now being launched, that it will take a bad story, a bad outcome, a death, or a serious illness, for people to change their minds? , :, ~ illness, for people to change their minds? ~ ., ., ., minds? so, i think there are a death knell. if minds? so, i think there are a death knell- if we — minds? so, i think there are a death knell. if we talk _ minds? so, i think there are a death knell. if we talk about _ minds? so, i think there are a death knell. if we talk about hooping - knell. if we talk about hooping cough, for example —— there are deaths already. we cannot protect very tiny babies from hooping cough. so we have a vaccination for that, for children, eight, 12 and 16 weeks, but the very tiniest children, the newborn ones are impacted and can get very seriously ill. we need most people to be protected so they can�*t pass it onto their older siblings and there is a maternal programme, which was introduced in 2012, we have had 21 neonatal small children infant deaths since that time, the last one was the end of last year. most of those individuals, 19 were not vaccinated. all of the vaccination programmes are there to help people and there are very real current consequences. and there are very real current consequences-— and there are very real current consetuences. :, ~ , :, , . consequences. thank you very much for 'oinin: consequences. thank you very much forjoining us— consequences. thank you very much forjoining us this _ consequences. thank you very much forjoining us this morning. - time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. a very good morning. welcome to bbc london. i�*m thomas magill. the london borough of havering says it�*s secured the necessary assurances from the government to avoid effectively going bankrupt. the council says a so called �*capitalisation direction�* for £53 million to help them balance their books has been confirmed. havering is also planning to raise council tax in april by the maximum allowed. mps have been told pedicabs are turning the west end into the "wild west end" during a commons debate last night on a new bill to regulate their use. the conservative mp for the cities of london and westminster nickie aiken said they�*ve become an overwhelming nuisance. the bill was passed by mps — and will now go to the house of lords. tonight�*s people�*s question time where there public get the chance to ask the mayor sadiq khan questions has been moved online after heckling took place at the last event. city hall took the decision to cancel the �*in—person�* meeting saying they had some safety concerns. all parties on the london assembly — including labour — have opposed the mayors decision. sticking with audience behaviour — and the union that represents front—of—house theatre staff in the west end says the behaviour of theatregoers has got worse since the pandemic. they say 90 per cent of its workers have directly experienced or witnessed bad behaviour. incidents reported range from threats of violence to sexual harassment. behaviours have deteriorated post—pandemic. so whether it�*s a case of people forgetting how they�*re supposed to behave in theatres, or whether it�*s just generally that standards are dropping, i�*m not quite sure. but some of these behaviours are really shocking. and our members, who are the lowest paid, who work in theatres, just really shouldn�*t have to experience that when they�*re at work. let�*s take a look at how the tubes is running. there�*s minor delays on the central line, but otherwise a good service on the rest of the network. now onto the weather with kawser. hello. good morning. a bit of a misty, murky start and a wet start to the day as well. today we are expecting heavy, persistent rain for a time and it stays mild after the mild start to the day. so, here�*s that persistent rain. it will be occasionally heavy, staying with us as we head into the afternoon, especially for more eastern parts. the winds are light and temperatures while staying at around 10 to 12 celsius. now, during the evening, that rain will be with us for a time. but clearing out and it does become drier overnight with clearer skies, allowing it to turn quite chilly. but by the end of the night, further outbreaks of rain are arriving in from the west and temperatures quite widely dipping to low single figures. but the winds will pick up from the southwest with low pressure dominating our weather for friday and into saturday as well. and we�*re drawing in some colder air. so there is the potential that some of this rain up over the hills, maybe a little wintry with some sleet mixed in as we look ahead to the weekend. then while still a bit unsettled for saturday, with some showers around but then becoming drier for sunday. that�*s your forecast. there�*s more on the bbc news app including details about the new timetable for the central line that�*s been introduced in an attempt to reduce delays. i�*ll be back in half an hour. hello, this is breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. from september, parents in england will face higher fines for taking their children out of school without permission, as part of a government drive to improve attendance rates. we�*re joined now by the schools minister, damian hinds. thank you for your time. can you establish the scale of the problem? since covid we�*ve had an increase in since covid we've had an increase in nonattendance at school and a lot of things _ nonattendance at school and a lot of things changed in covid but this was one of— things changed in covid but this was one of them. and most of that has been _ one of them. and most of that has been around the different threshold that parents have had, some parents have had _ that parents have had, some parents have had in— that parents have had, some parents have had in terms of when it is ok for their— have had in terms of when it is ok for their children to go into school _ for their children to go into school. we've been trying to get the message _ school. we've been trying to get the message out that the nhs guidance says if— message out that the nhs guidance says if you have a mild cold, generally— says if you have a mild cold, generally speaking it's ok to be in school _ generally speaking it's ok to be in school. mild anxiety kind of helps, sometimes, it helps to be in school and have _ sometimes, it helps to be in school and have that routine and sense of purpose _ and have that routine and sense of purpose but there's also this minority— purpose but there's also this minority which is about unauthorised absence. _ minority which is about unauthorised absence, not to do with sickness, with things — absence, not to do with sickness, with things like term time holidays. and for— with things like term time holidays. and for that, it's important there is a deterrent which is why we have fixed _ is a deterrent which is why we have fixed penalty notices and today we are increasing the level of that. it hasn't _ are increasing the level of that. it hasn't gone up for over ten years, and it— hasn't gone up for over ten years, and it was— hasn't gone up for over ten years, and it was £60 for a long time and we are _ and it was £60 for a long time and we are increasing it from £60 to £80, _ we are increasing it from £60 to £80, if — we are increasing it from £60 to £80, if you _ we are increasing it from £60 to £80, if you pay in 21 days. as for the scale — £80, if you pay in 21 days. as for the scale of _ £80, if you pay in 21 days. as for the scale of it, overall we have attendance, sorry, absence, i should say, running — attendance, sorry, absence, i should say, running at 6.8%, but that's an improvement on the same term a year before, _ improvement on the same term a year before, 7~5%. — improvement on the same term a year before, 7.5%, so we were three covid, — before, 7.5%, so we were three covid, we — before, 7.5%, so we were three covid, we were running at under 5% absence _ covid, we were running at under 5% absence across the school system. on the absence across the school system. the holidays, absence across the school system. on the holidays, if a holiday is costing, let�*s pick a number, £500, £800 and you are trying to get it a bit cheaper, than £60 up to £80. £20, if you can make a saving of £300 on the holiday and i�*m not saying that�*s the right thing to do, but in practical terms, those parents will make the same decision, won�*t they? the parents will make the same decision, won't the ? ., , parents will make the same decision, won't the ? :, , ., won't they? the thing i really want to net won't they? the thing i really want to get across _ won't they? the thing i really want to get across to _ won't they? the thing i really want to get across to parents _ won't they? the thing i really want to get across to parents watching i to get across to parents watching this, _ to get across to parents watching this, watching your programme, and in the _ this, watching your programme, and in the overwhelming majority of parents — in the overwhelming majority of parents get that the value of education is so much greater than that _ education is so much greater than that 0f— education is so much greater than that. of course family time together is important, being on holiday when you can _ is important, being on holiday when you can is _ is important, being on holiday when you can is really important but actually — you can is really important but actually the value of being in school — actually the value of being in school is _ actually the value of being in school is key. even relatively small amounts _ school is key. even relatively small amounts of — school is key. even relatively small amounts of absence have a discernible effect on how kids do at school _ discernible effect on how kids do at school and — discernible effect on how kids do at school and their attainment, as well as being _ school and their attainment, as well as being with friends and taking part in— as being with friends and taking part in sport and extracurricular activity~ — part in sport and extracurricular activity its— part in sport and extracurricular activity. it's really the value of education _ activity. it's really the value of education we are talking about here and having — education we are talking about here and having a deterrent to illustrate that _ and having a deterrent to illustrate that l _ and having a deterrent to illustrate that. , :, and having a deterrent to illustrate that. , ., ,:, , that. i understand the point but the oint i'm that. i understand the point but the point l'm making — that. i understand the point but the point i'm making is _ that. i understand the point but the point i'm making is a _ that. i understand the point but the point i'm making is a different - that. i understand the point but the point i'm making is a different one. j point i�*m making is a different one. if that is what you believe in, then the logic would be to make that fine £300, and thereby it might make somebody go, well, there�*s no point, because the fine is too much. £300 would be a huge amount of money but i don�*t understand the logic ofjust £20, given what you just said. i take the point you make but i don't think— take the point you make but i don't think people in general are just going _ think people in general are just going around adding up. there is a certain— going around adding up. there is a certain element of that that will happen— certain element of that that will happen on occasion but i don't think people _ happen on occasion but i don't think people are — happen on occasion but i don't think people are adding up saying is this greater— people are adding up saying is this greater than that. the point i was making _ greater than that. the point i was making was about the value of education that i think most parents think— education that i think most parents think about so the fixed penalty notice _ think about so the fixed penalty notice plays a symbolic role in that book— notice plays a symbolic role in that book to _ notice plays a symbolic role in that book to be — notice plays a symbolic role in that book to be clear on what we were saying, _ book to be clear on what we were saying. the — book to be clear on what we were saying, the fixed penalty notice, going _ saying, the fixed penalty notice, going to — saying, the fixed penalty notice, going to £80, that is for missing ten sessions, ten a half days in a ten sessions, ten a half days in a ten week— ten sessions, ten a half days in a ten week period of authorised absence — ten week period of authorised absence and you can only have that fine twice _ absence and you can only have that fine twice in a row and the fine does _ fine twice in a row and the fine does go — fine twice in a row and the fine does go up _ fine twice in a row and the fine does go up if you are seeing this happen— does go up if you are seeing this happen repeatedly and eventually you can't just _ happen repeatedly and eventually you can'tjust keep happen repeatedly and eventually you can't just keep taking happen repeatedly and eventually you can'tjust keep taking the fine and that being — can'tjust keep taking the fine and that being something new factor into the price _ that being something new factor into the price. eventually you get considered for prosecution. how many eo - le considered for prosecution. how many people have — considered for prosecution. how many people have got _ considered for prosecution. how many people have got to _ considered for prosecution. how many people have got to that _ considered for prosecution. how many people have got to that point - considered for prosecution. how many people have got to that point facing i people have got to that point facing legal action? we people have got to that point facing legal action?— people have got to that point facing letalaction? :, �* ., ., , legal action? we don't want anybody to net to legal action? we don't want anybody to get to that — legal action? we don't want anybody to get to that point. _ legal action? we don't want anybody to get to that point. but _ legal action? we don't want anybody to get to that point. but how- legal action? we don't want anybody to get to that point. but how many l to get to that point. but how many --eole to get to that point. but how many people have? _ to get to that point. but how many people have? the _ to get to that point. but how many people have? the changes - to get to that point. but how many people have? the changes i'm - to get to that point. but how many i people have? the changes i'm talking about that we — people have? the changes i'm talking about that we are _ people have? the changes i'm talking about that we are announcing - people have? the changes i'm talking about that we are announcing today,, j about that we are announcing today,, this is— about that we are announcing today,, this is for— about that we are announcing today,, this is for going forward. and about that we are announcing today,, this is for going forward.— this is for going forward. and how many people _ this is for going forward. and how many people thus _ this is for going forward. and how many people thus far _ this is for going forward. and how many people thus far have - this is for going forward. and how many people thus far have faced l many people thus far have faced legal action in relation to that? you�*re talking about being the level you're talking about being the level of fine _ you're talking about being the level of fine or— you're talking about being the level of fine or repeatedly not paying a fine there — of fine or repeatedly not paying a fine there is difference if i understood you correctly. you get issued with _ understood you correctly. you get issued with a _ understood you correctly. you get issued with a fine. _ understood you correctly. you get issued with a fine. and _ understood you correctly. you get issued with a fine. and if- understood you correctly. you get issued with a fine. and if you - understood you correctly. you get| issued with a fine. and if you don't issued with a fine. and if you don�*t pay the fine, you can face further legal action. pay the fine, you can face further legalaction. i�*m pay the fine, you can face further legal action. i�*m trying to work out how many people have ended up in that situation. i how many people have ended up in that situation.— that situation. i don't have a number for _ that situation. i don't have a number for you _ that situation. i don't have a number for you on _ that situation. i don't have a number for you on that. - that situation. i don't have a number for you on that. we | that situation. i don't have a - number for you on that. we don't want _ number for you on that. we don't want anyone to be in that position. we don't _ want anyone to be in that position. we don't want anyone to be levied the fine _ we don't want anyone to be levied the fine to— we don't want anyone to be levied the fine to begin with. . we are increasing — the fine to begin with. . we are increasing the level from £60 to £80 which _ increasing the level from £60 to £80 which hasn't gone up for over ten years. _ which hasn't gone up for over ten years. if— which hasn't gone up for over ten years, if you _ which hasn't gone up for over ten years, if you pay in 21 days, but we also have _ years, if you pay in 21 days, but we also have a — years, if you pay in 21 days, but we also have a more consistent approach _ also have a more consistent approach. the majority of fixed penalty — approach. the majority of fixed penalty notices up to now have been issued in _ penalty notices up to now have been issued in a _ penalty notices up to now have been issued in a minority of council areas — issued in a minority of council areas and _ issued in a minority of council areas and we want there to be the same _ areas and we want there to be the same approach, broadly speaking and there will— same approach, broadly speaking and there will still be discretion, but we want — there will still be discretion, but we want everybody to have clarity, that is _ we want everybody to have clarity, that is councils, schools, families about— that is councils, schools, families about this — that is councils, schools, families about this. there is a threshold and if you _ about this. there is a threshold and if you go— about this. there is a threshold and if you go over the threshold with un—authorised absence, you can be liable _ un—authorised absence, you can be liable for— un—authorised absence, you can be liable for that. on un-authorised absence, you can be liable for that.— liable for that. on a practical note, clearly _ liable for that. on a practical note, clearly it _ liable for that. on a practical note, clearly it is _ liable for that. on a practical note, clearly it is persistentl note, clearly it is persistent absence, that is damaging the child, thatis absence, that is damaging the child, that is what we are worried about and we were speaking to a head teacher earlier who welcome the fact that you are paying attention to the issue. but said in a practical sense, this is a school of 1000 pupils and he said simply the best solution would be to have three extra members of staff who could go and knock on doors. £100,000, that would do it. i and knock on doors. £100,000, that would do it— would do it. i didn't see the interview— would do it. i didn't see the interview but _ would do it. i didn't see the interview but i _ would do it. i didn't see the interview but i pay - would do it. i didn't see the | interview but i pay tribute to would do it. i didn't see the - interview but i pay tribute to the head _ interview but i pay tribute to the head teacher you refer to and all others _ head teacher you refer to and all others for — head teacher you refer to and all others for the brilliant work that they are — others for the brilliant work that they are doing. these are extra issues — they are doing. these are extra issues for— they are doing. these are extra issues for schools to deal with, and they deal— issues for schools to deal with, and they deal with them i think very well and — they deal with them i think very well and with great sensitivity. we talk a _ well and with great sensitivity. we talk a lot _ well and with great sensitivity. we talk a lot about what we call the support — talk a lot about what we call the support first approach. it's about having _ support first approach. it's about having sensitive, supportive conversations with parents to get kids into — conversations with parents to get kids into school and ringing up on the morning very soon after the child _ the morning very soon after the child has— the morning very soon after the child has not turned up to ask about their whereabouts and their health, and can— their whereabouts and their health, and can they come into school. and all of— and can they come into school. and all of these — and can they come into school. and all of these things are things that schools— all of these things are things that schools do. i�*m all of these things are things that schools do— schools do. i'm 'ust going to stop ou schools do. i'm 'ust going to stop you there. — schools do. i'm 'ust going to stop you there. m _ schools do. i'm 'ust going to stop you there. in a — schools do. i'm just going to stop you there. in a practical- schools do. i'm just going to stop you there. in a practical sense, i you there. in a practical sense, teacher tells us this morning that what you are outlining is welcome, but what would work, which is the only thing that matters, would be three extra member of staff to do thejob three extra member of staff to do the job you were talking about. and what you have proposed won�*t have any effect on that. what you have proposed won't have any effect on that.— any effect on that. actually we are doint a any effect on that. actually we are doing a whole _ any effect on that. actually we are doing a whole range _ any effect on that. actually we are doing a whole range of _ any effect on that. actually we are doing a whole range of things. - any effect on that. actually we are | doing a whole range of things. this morning's— doing a whole range of things. this morning's announcement has half a dozen _ morning's announcement has half a dozen things but that builds on initiatives we had at the start of the school — initiatives we had at the start of the school year and this term, all about— the school year and this term, all about trying to increase attendance. part of _ about trying to increase attendance. part of it _ about trying to increase attendance. part of it is — about trying to increase attendance. part of it is a publicity work we do on social— part of it is a publicity work we do on social media and local radio and again— on social media and local radio and again the _ on social media and local radio and again the message across to parents reinforces— again the message across to parents reinforces the critical importance of being — reinforces the critical importance of being in— reinforces the critical importance of being in school and the benefits of being in school and the benefits of being _ of being in school and the benefits of being in — of being in school and the benefits of being in school and the benefits of being in school but also having a network _ of being in school but also having a network of — of being in school but also having a network of schools that advise each other _ network of schools that advise each other and _ network of schools that advise each other and we call them attendance hubs who — other and we call them attendance hubs who advise each other on their own best _ hubs who advise each other on their own best practice and today we are announcing — own best practice and today we are announcing the appointment of an ambassador, a gentleman who is the leader— ambassador, a gentleman who is the leader of— ambassador, a gentleman who is the leader of an — ambassador, a gentleman who is the leader of an academy trust, called the northern education trust, who ran the _ the northern education trust, who ran the first attendance hub, and schools _ ran the first attendance hub, and schools like to hear from schools. there _ schools like to hear from schools. there are — schools like to hear from schools. there are techniques and ways of doing _ there are techniques and ways of doing things that are very effective and it— doing things that are very effective and it would be appropriate for me to start _ and it would be appropriate for me to start issuing best guidance from whitehall — to start issuing best guidance from whitehall. it's schools themselves who want — whitehall. it's schools themselves who want to learn from each other and their— who want to learn from each other and their is— who want to learn from each other and their is brilliant practice out there. _ and their is brilliant practice out there. and — and their is brilliant practice out there, and it is being reflected. it's there, and it is being reflected. it's an— there, and it is being reflected. it's an important point to make. attendance last term was significantly better than the equivalent a year before, and we need _ equivalent a year before, and we need to— equivalent a year before, and we need to go— equivalent a year before, and we need to go further to get back to where _ need to go further to get back to where we — need to go further to get back to where we were before the coronavirus.— where we were before the coronavirus. ~ . ,, . ., coronavirus. we appreciate your time is this morning, _ coronavirus. we appreciate your time is this morning, the _ coronavirus. we appreciate your time is this morning, the minister - coronavirus. we appreciate your time is this morning, the minister for - is this morning, the ministerfor schools, damian hinds. is this morning, the minister for schools, damian hinds.- is this morning, the minister for schools, damian hinds. mike, you've taken a look — schools, damian hinds. mike, you've taken a look at _ schools, damian hinds. mike, you've taken a look at the _ schools, damian hinds. mike, you've taken a look at the sport _ schools, damian hinds. mike, you've taken a look at the sport and - schools, damian hinds. mike, you've taken a look at the sport and it's - taken a look at the sport and it�*s all about investment. invest in early and then actually you might not need to spend later. absolutely. that seems — not need to spend later. absolutely. that seems to _ not need to spend later. absolutely. that seems to be _ not need to spend later. absolutely. that seems to be the _ not need to spend later. absolutely. that seems to be the love _ not need to spend later. absolutely. that seems to be the love -- - not need to spend later. absolutely. that seems to be the love -- model| that seems to be the love —— model at liverpool and it's working so well. it's liverpool and it's working so well. it's not _ liverpool and it's working so well. it's not overnight that jade and danns. — it's not overnight that jade and danns, who scored twice, a boyhood dream _ danns, who scored twice, a boyhood dream for— danns, who scored twice, a boyhood dream for him and scored in front of the copper— dream for him and scored in front of the copper last night and they've been _ the copper last night and they've been nurturing him for ten years, since _ been nurturing him for ten years, since he — been nurturing him for ten years, since he signed the contract aged eight _ since he signed the contract aged eight for— since he signed the contract aged eight for liverpool. —— in front of the kop — eight for liverpool. —— in front of the kop. and not everybody makes it, but two _ the kop. and not everybody makes it, but two teenagers on the scoresheet for liverpool last night. the future is looking — for liverpool last night. the future is looking bright. liverpool will travel to old trafford to take on manchester united in the fa cup quarter—finals, after two teenage stars inspired them to a 3—— win at home, against promotion—chasing southampton. six of the starting xi were 21 or under~ — after lewis koumas opened the scoring for liverpool, it was then another 18—year—old, jayden danns, who came on as a sub, and scored his first two goals for the club and in front of the kop as well, fulfilling his boyhood dream. the win keeps alive liverpool's hopes of a quadruple of trophies in jurgen klopp's final season. honestly, i couldn't be happier today~ — honestly, icouldn't be happier today. today— honestly, i couldn't be happier today. today is _ honestly, i couldn't be happier today. today is the _ honestly, i couldn't be happier today. today is the best - honestly, i couldn't be happier today. today is the best day i honestly, i couldn't be happier today. today is the best day of honestly, i couldn't be happier- today. today is the best day of my life. today. today is the best day of my life i_ today. today is the best day of my life i have — today. today is the best day of my life. i have watched _ today. today is the best day of my life. i have watched liverpool- today. today is the best day of myl life. i have watched liverpool since i life. i have watched liverpool since i was _ life. i have watched liverpool since i was a _ life. i have watched liverpool since i was a young — life. i have watched liverpool since i was a young boy— life. i have watched liverpool since i was a young boy and _ life. i have watched liverpool since i was a young boy and to— life. i have watched liverpool since i was a young boy and to score - life. i have watched liverpool since i was a young boy and to score at l i was a young boy and to score at the kop _ i was a young boy and to score at the kop end _ i was a young boy and to score at the kop end is— i was a young boy and to score at the kop end is more _ i was a young boy and to score at the kop end is more than- i was a young boy and to score at the kop end is more than a - i was a young boy and to score at i the kop end is more than a dream. i was a young boy and to score at. the kop end is more than a dream. i couldn't— the kop end is more than a dream. i couldn't be — the kop end is more than a dream. i couldn't be happier. _ the kop end is more than a dream. i couldn't be happier. my— the kop end is more than a dream. i couldn't be happier. my next- the kop end is more than a dream. ii couldn't be happier. my next thought is to score _ couldn't be happier. my next thought is to score the — couldn't be happier. my next thought is to score the next _ couldn't be happier. my next thought is to score the next time _ couldn't be happier. my next thought is to score the next time i _ couldn't be happier. my next thought is to score the next time i come - couldn't be happier. my next thought is to score the next time i come on i is to score the next time i come on and i'm _ is to score the next time i come on and i'm grateful— is to score the next time i come on and i'm grateful for— is to score the next time i come on and i'm grateful for the _ is to score the next time i come on| and i'm grateful for the opportunity the boss _ and i'm grateful for the opportunity the boss on — and i'm grateful for the opportunity the boss on the _ and i'm grateful for the opportunity the boss on the staff— and i'm grateful for the opportunity the boss on the staff have - and i'm grateful for the opportunity the boss on the staff have given - and i'm grateful for the opportunity| the boss on the staff have given me behind _ the boss on the staff have given me behind the — the boss on the staff have given me behind the scenes, _ the boss on the staff have given me behind the scenes, so— the boss on the staff have given me behind the scenes, so i— the boss on the staff have given me behind the scenes, so i will- the boss on the staff have given me behind the scenes, so i will keep i behind the scenes, so i will keep working — behind the scenes, so i will keep working as — behind the scenes, so i will keep working as hard _ behind the scenes, so i will keep working as hard as— behind the scenes, so i will keep working as hard as i— behind the scenes, so i will keep working as hard as i can - behind the scenes, so i will keep working as hard as i can become| behind the scenes, so i will keep . working as hard as i can become the best player— working as hard as i can become the best player i — working as hard as i can become the best player i possibly— working as hard as i can become the best player i possibly can _ working as hard as i can become the best player i possibly can and - best player i possibly can and then try and _ best player i possibly can and then try and score — best player i possibly can and then try and score as— best player i possibly can and then try and score as many— best player i possibly can and then try and score as many goals - best player i possibly can and then try and score as many goals as - best player i possibly can and then try and score as many goals as i. try and score as many goals as i can _ try and score as many goals as i can it— try and score as many goals as i can. :, , try and score as many goals as i can, :, , :, try and score as many goals as i can. :, , :, , ._ try and score as many goals as i can. :, , ., can. it was wonderful play and well done by lewis- _ can. it was wonderful play and well done by lewis. but _ can. it was wonderful play and well done by lewis. but the _ can. it was wonderful play and well done by lewis. but the second - can. it was wonderful play and well| done by lewis. but the second half, really, we win the ball back and harvey with a wonderful pass and danns chips the ball, and the youth department is as big as in the premier league or the fa cup, so he knows where to put the ball in the second goal he scores is more or less a goal you can see coming, because he has a nose for that. manchester united left it late against nottingham forest. brazilian midfielder casemiro headed home the only goal of the game — his first since september — in 89th minute to seal victory for manchester united. the win provides manager erik ten hag with a much—needed boost it's it�*s fantastic and we have fantastic games coming up. this team, what they showed today, that is great, but they have to show every game, and that is what i�*ve seen over the last couple of months, only not on saturday. so sometimes it is the case but still you have to find a way to win, and today definitely we found a way to win. chelsea will host leicester in the quarter—finals in a repeat of the 2021 final, after they beat leeds, in a five—goal thriller. the tie was heading for extra time, with the score 2—2 when conor gallaghershowed some nifty footwork in second half stoppage time to seal the win. the late strike eases the pressure on the chelsea boss, after the club's disappointment in losing to liverpool in the league cup final on sunday. and wolves will host championship side coventry city, in the quarter—finals of the fa cup after beating brighton 1—0. mario lamina scored the winner afterjust two minutes. rangers stay top of the scottish premiership, after coming from behind to win at kilmarnock. they were trailing to an early penalty — they were trailing to an early penalty before second—half goals including the winner from tom lawrence _ including the winner from tom lawrence turned the match around. philip _ lawrence turned the match around. philip clement called it a massive three _ philip clement called it a massive three points. he was making the point _ three points. he was making the point because at half—time in their game, _ point because at half—time in their game, celtic were winning 6—0 and it finished _ game, celtic were winning 6—0 and it finished a _ game, celtic were winning 6—0 and it finished a 7-i — game, celtic were winning 6—0 and it finished a 7—1 against dundee, a big boost _ finished a 7—1 against dundee, a big boost for— finished a 7—1 against dundee, a big boost for their goal difference but they are _ boost for their goal difference but they are still two points behind rangers— they are still two points behind rangers at the top. owen farrell says the — rangers at the top. owen farrell says the time feels right to leave saracens — says the time feels right to leave saracens at the end of the season after— saracens at the end of the season after confirming the news. he joined the club _ after confirming the news. he joined the club at _ after confirming the news. he joined the club at the age of 14 and made his debut— the club at the age of 14 and made his debut aged 17 and in his time at saracens _ his debut aged 17 and in his time at saracens fly—half has his debut aged 17 and in his time at saracens fly— half has won his debut aged 17 and in his time at saracens fly—half has won six premiership rugby titles, the european champions cup three times and is _ european champions cup three times and is hoping to add more silverware and is hoping to add more silverware and finishes — and is hoping to add more silverware and finishes time on high and joins racing _ and finishes time on high and joins racing 92 — and finishes time on high and joins racing 92 coached by the former england — racing 92 coached by the former england head coach stuart lancaster. andy murray says please stop asking him when _ andy murray says please stop asking him when he will retire as he so bored _ him when he will retire as he so bored of— him when he will retire as he so bored of the question after every match— bored of the question after every match he — bored of the question after every match he plays. the three—time grand slam winner lost in straight sets to the frenchman ugo umbere, in dubai and before this latest defeat, said he would like to play in one more olympic games before he retires. the olympic singles champion from london and rio added he's unlikely to play beyond this summer. it's almost time to strap yourself in and enjoy the longest ride in formula! history. practice — for the first race gets underway in bahrain later today — it's the first of a record—breaking 24 grand — it's the first of a record—breaking 24 grand prix races. max verstappen is favourite _ 24 grand prix races. max verstappen is favourite to win a fourth straight _ is favourite to win a fourth straight title but focus remains on lewis— straight title but focus remains on lewis hamilton and his final season with mercedes before he switches to ferrari _ i am here to deliver for them this year, so that is the focus, the same as any other year. it will be, and it is emotional, and every week will be emotional because the seat fit is your last seat fit for the team and you remember the first one. the winter test is the last winter test i will do with the team, so each will be a lot of emotional experience through the year, but we will do it together. that's the theme, emotional farewells, hamilton leaving, owen farrell, _ farewells, hamilton leaving, owen farrell, jurgen klopp. andy murray. althou . h farrell, jurgen klopp. andy murray. although he — farrell, jurgen klopp. andy murray. although he hasn't _ farrell, jurgen klopp. andy murray. although he hasn't said _ farrell, jurgen klopp. andy murray. although he hasn't said anything. i farrell, jurgen klopp. andy murray. l although he hasn't said anything. he although he hasn�*t said anything. he doesn�*t want to talk about it any more, and can understand. let�*s doesn't want to talk about it any more, and can understand. let's not talk about it- — more, and can understand. let's not talk about it. i _ more, and can understand. let's not talk about it. i shouldn't _ more, and can understand. let's not talk about it. i shouldn't have - talk about it. i shouldn't have mentioned — talk about it. i shouldn't have mentioned it. _ talk about it. i shouldn't have mentioned it. let's _ talk about it. i shouldn't have mentioned it. let's get - talk about it. i shouldn't have mentioned it. let's get caroll talk about it. i shouldn't have i mentioned it. let's get carol to talk about it. i shouldn't have - mentioned it. let's get carol to do the talking, _ mentioned it. let's get carol to do the talking, she's _ mentioned it. let's get carol to do the talking, she's good _ mentioned it. let's get carol to do the talking, she's good at - mentioned it. let's get carol to do the talking, she's good at that. i mentioned it. let's get carol to do| the talking, she's good at that. she the talking, she�*s good at that. she does love a nutter. hello. the talking, she's good at that. she does love a nutter. hello.— does love a nutter. hello. hello, tood does love a nutter. hello. hello, good morning — does love a nutter. hello. hello, good morning to _ does love a nutter. hello. hello, good morning to you. _ does love a nutter. hello. hello, good morning to you. we - does love a nutter. hello. hello, good morning to you. we have i does love a nutter. hello. hello, - good morning to you. we have some dampness _ good morning to you. we have some dampness and rain in the air as you can see— dampness and rain in the air as you can see from— dampness and rain in the air as you can see from the picture from one of the weather— can see from the picture from one of the weather watchers in powys. it is cloudy _ the weather watchers in powys. it is cloudy across england and wales and this is— cloudy across england and wales and this is where we have the wet weather— this is where we have the wet weather but you can see how it has maintained — weather but you can see how it has maintained the temperature level and further— maintained the temperature level and further north under clear skies it's a much _ further north under clear skies it's a much colder start to the day and you can _ a much colder start to the day and you can see — a much colder start to the day and you can see how the mild air has pushed — you can see how the mild air has pushed away and as we go through the next few— pushed away and as we go through the next few days, low pressure in charge — next few days, low pressure in charge of— next few days, low pressure in charge of the weather so the blue colours _ charge of the weather so the blue colours remain which means it will be colder— colours remain which means it will be colder than recently. what we have _ be colder than recently. what we have at _ be colder than recently. what we have at the moment is a fair bit of cloud _ have at the moment is a fair bit of cloud across — have at the moment is a fair bit of cloud across england and wales and result— cloud across england and wales and result head of the weather front coming — result head of the weather front coming in — result head of the weather front coming in which will bring more persistent— coming in which will bring more persistent rain but it remains murky across— persistent rain but it remains murky across the _ persistent rain but it remains murky across the south of wales in particular— across the south of wales in particular and also south—west england — particular and also south—west england. one or two showers and it could _ england. one or two showers and it could be _ england. one or two showers and it could be wintry on the hills but the northern— could be wintry on the hills but the northern ireland and scotland a day of bright _ northern ireland and scotland a day of bright spells, sunshine and showers — of bright spells, sunshine and showers but some of the showers will be heavy— showers but some of the showers will be heavy and potentially thundery and wintry on the hills and if anything _ and wintry on the hills and if anything the snow level will drop to about— anything the snow level will drop to about 200 — anything the snow level will drop to about 200 metres through the day. and we _ about 200 metres through the day. and we have gales across the far north— and we have gales across the far north of— and we have gales across the far north of scotland including the northern — north of scotland including the northern and western isles with temperatures between six and 9 degrees, — temperatures between six and 9 degrees, so lower than yesterday. through— degrees, so lower than yesterday. through the evening and overnight we say goodbye to the rain back edge of the cloud _ say goodbye to the rain back edge of the cloud and under clear skies we see frost— the cloud and under clear skies we see frost and then the next area of low pressure comes in with its weather— low pressure comes in with its weather fronts and that will introduce rain at lower levels, sleet — introduce rain at lower levels, sleet and _ introduce rain at lower levels, sleet and snow above 200 metres in wales, _ sleet and snow above 200 metres in wales, the _ sleet and snow above 200 metres in wales, the peak district and northern ireland but where we hang on to— northern ireland but where we hang on to the _ northern ireland but where we hang on to the clear skies in the north that is— on to the clear skies in the north that is where we have the lowest temperatures and also frost to watch out for _ temperatures and also frost to watch out for the _ temperatures and also frost to watch out for the first thing in the morning _ out for the first thing in the morning. here is the offending area of low— morning. here is the offending area of low pressure. you can see from the isobars— of low pressure. you can see from the isobars it will be windy in the english _ the isobars it will be windy in the english channel and as it moves across— english channel and as it moves across later in the north sea but it is the _ across later in the north sea but it is the snow— across later in the north sea but it is the snow we are looking up so it's above — is the snow we are looking up so it's above 200 metres in the hills of northern ireland, the southern uplands, — of northern ireland, the southern uplands, into the peak district and also the _ uplands, into the peak district and also the pennines as well as the hills in— also the pennines as well as the hills in north wales. and this band of rain. _ hills in north wales. and this band of rain, sleet and snow will continue _ of rain, sleet and snow will continue to move in towards the southern — continue to move in towards the southern uplands through the day and by the _ southern uplands through the day and by the evening it gets very close to the edinburgh area but once again it's mainly— the edinburgh area but once again it's mainly a hill feature. behind it, it's mainly a hill feature. behind it. we _ it's mainly a hill feature. behind it. we are — it's mainly a hill feature. behind it, we are looking at a lot of showers _ it, we are looking at a lot of showers and some of them are wintry and some _ showers and some of them are wintry and some of— showers and some of them are wintry and some of them are heavy and ahead of it for— and some of them are heavy and ahead of it for scotland is a dry day from the central— of it for scotland is a dry day from the central belt northwards but quite _ the central belt northwards but quite a — the central belt northwards but quite a cloudy one for most. temperatures between six and 9 degrees — temperatures between six and 9 degrees. into the weekend, low pressure — degrees. into the weekend, low pressure is across us and will remain— pressure is across us and will remain with us but in the centre of this low— remain with us but in the centre of this low pressure it will be fairly settled. — this low pressure it will be fairly settled, so as we head through the course _ settled, so as we head through the course of— settled, so as we head through the course of saturday it's a mixture of bright _ course of saturday it's a mixture of bright spells, sunshine and showers and again— bright spells, sunshine and showers and again some of those will be wintry— and again some of those will be wintry and — and again some of those will be wintry and temperature —wise it is still going — wintry and temperature —wise it is still going to feel on the cooler side~ _ still going to feel on the cooler side but— still going to feel on the cooler side. but these temperatures are about— side. but these temperatures are about average for the time of year, orjust _ about average for the time of year, orjust slightly below.— orjust slightly below. carol, we will speak _ orjust slightly below. carol, we will speak later. _ orjust slightly below. carol, we will speak later. thank - orjust slightly below. carol, we will speak later. thank you - orjust slightly below. carol, we will speak later. thank you so l orjust slightly below. carol, we - will speak later. thank you so much. leaping over a fence, scaling a wall and running into a burning building. this might sound like something from an action movie — but it was all in a morning�*s work for binman steve whitehouse. now been called a hero, after climbing to a first floor balcony to rescue a couple and their dog from a house fire. stevejoins us now, alongside tiffany who he rescued. good morning to you both. tiffany, i imagine steve is one of your favourite people in the world at this moment in time.— favourite people in the world at this moment in time. yeah, he is, eah. i this moment in time. yeah, he is, yeah- i bet- _ this moment in time. yeah, he is, yeah. i bet. tell— this moment in time. yeah, he is, yeah. i bet. tell us _ this moment in time. yeah, he is, yeah. i bet. tell us what - this moment in time. yeah, he is, l yeah. i bet. tell us what happened, steve. i assume _ yeah. i bet. tell us what happened, steve. i assume you _ yeah. i bet. tell us what happened, steve. i assume you were _ yeah. i bet. tell us what happened, steve. i assume you were doing - yeah. i bet. tell us what happened, | steve. i assume you were doing your rounds and this is when you saw there was trouble at the house. yeah, basically i had done a school around _ yeah, basically i had done a school around the — yeah, basically i had done a school around the corner— yeah, basically i had done a school around the corner and _ yeah, basically i had done a school around the corner and entered - yeah, basically i had done a school around the corner and entered the| around the corner and entered the road and _ around the corner and entered the road and my— around the corner and entered the road and my driver— around the corner and entered the road and my driver said, _ around the corner and entered the road and my driver said, there - around the corner and entered the road and my driver said, there is. around the corner and entered the road and my driver said, there is a fire and— road and my driver said, there is a fire and we— road and my driver said, there is a fire and we saw— road and my driver said, there is a fire and we saw big, _ road and my driver said, there is a fire and we saw big, black- road and my driver said, there is a fire and we saw big, black smoke i road and my driver said, there is a i fire and we saw big, black smoke and a cloud _ fire and we saw big, black smoke and a cloud of— fire and we saw big, black smoke and a cloud of smoke _ fire and we saw big, black smoke and a cloud of smoke and _ fire and we saw big, black smoke and a cloud of smoke and we _ fire and we saw big, black smoke and a cloud of smoke and we got - fire and we saw big, black smoke and a cloud of smoke and we got in - fire and we saw big, black smoke and a cloud of smoke and we got in the l a cloud of smoke and we got in the road and i've — a cloud of smoke and we got in the road and i've seen— a cloud of smoke and we got in the road and i've seen tiffany - a cloud of smoke and we got in the i road and i've seen tiffany screaming and yelling _ road and i've seen tiffany screaming and yelling for— road and i've seen tiffany screaming and yelling for help. _ road and i've seen tiffany screaming and yelling for help. is _ road and i've seen tiffany screaming and yelling for help. is this - road and i've seen tiffany screaming and yelling for help. is this the - and yelling for help. is this the house — and yelling for help. is this the house behind _ and yelling for help. is this the house behind you? _ and yelling for help. is this the house behind you? we - and yelling for help. is this the house behind you?— and yelling for help. is this the house behind you? and yelling for help. is this the house behind ou? ~ . , house behind you? we are seeing the ictures house behind you? we are seeing the pictures now- — house behind you? we are seeing the pictures now. had _ house behind you? we are seeing the pictures now. had you _ house behind you? we are seeing the pictures now. had you got _ house behind you? we are seeing the pictures now. had you got anyone - pictures now. had you got anyone there to help or was itjust down to you and your colleague, steve? tiffany said people were driving past and — tiffany said people were driving past and nobody _ tiffany said people were driving past and nobody stopped. - tiffany said people were driving past and nobody stopped. it - tiffany said people were driving i past and nobody stopped. it was quite _ past and nobody stopped. it was quite early, _ past and nobody stopped. it was quite early, about— past and nobody stopped. it was quite early, about eight- past and nobody stopped. it was quite early, about eight o'clock. past and nobody stopped. it wasl quite early, about eight o'clock in the morning — quite early, about eight o'clock in the morning and _ quite early, about eight o'clock in the morning and i— quite early, about eight o'clock in the morning and i was— quite early, about eight o'clock in the morning and i wasjust - quite early, about eight o'clock in the morning and i wasjust therel quite early, about eight o'clock in. the morning and i wasjust there at the morning and i wasjust there at the right— the morning and i wasjust there at the right time, _ the morning and i wasjust there at the right time, and _ the morning and i wasjust there at the right time, and i— the morning and i wasjust there at the right time, and ijust— the morning and i wasjust there at the right time, and ijust did - the morning and i wasjust there at the right time, and ijust did what. the right time, and ijust did what i've the right time, and ijust did what i've got— the right time, and ijust did what i've got to — the right time, and ijust did what i've got to do _ the right time, and ijust did what i've got to do and _ the right time, and ijust did what i've got to do and saved - the right time, and ijust did what i've got to do and saved tiffany. the right time, and ijust did what. i've got to do and saved tiffany and her partner— i've got to do and saved tiffany and her partner and _ i've got to do and saved tiffany and her partner and the _ i've got to do and saved tiffany and her partner and the dog. _ i've got to do and saved tiffany and her partner and the dog.— her partner and the dog. steve, as alwa s, her partner and the dog. steve, as always, your _ her partner and the dog. steve, as always, your heroes _ her partner and the dog. steve, as always, your heroes and _ her partner and the dog. steve, as always, your heroes and you - her partner and the dog. steve, as always, your heroes and you are i her partner and the dog. steve, as i always, your heroes and you are very modest about what you did. good morning, charlie here. steve, iwant you to help us. so we can understand what happened. we�*ve seen the picture of the balcony burnt out. you walked up, parked the truck and then what did you do next? weill. then what did you do next? well, basicall , then what did you do next? well, basically, i _ then what did you do next? well, basically, i chopped _ then what did you do next? well, basically, i chopped off— then what did you do next? well, basically, i chopped off my - then what did you do next? well, basically, i chopped off my baseball cap and _ basically, ! chopped off my baseball cap and body— basically, ! chopped off my baseball cap and body warmer— basically, i chopped off my baseball cap and body warmer and _ basically, i chopped off my baseball cap and body warmer and i- basically, i chopped off my baseball cap and body warmer and i fled. - basically, i chopped off my baseball cap and body warmer and i fled. i. cap and body warmer and i fled. i was told — cap and body warmer and i fled. i was told i— cap and body warmer and i fled. i was told i was _ cap and body warmer and i fled. i was told i was like _ cap and body warmer and i fled. i was told i was like a _ cap and body warmer and i fled. i was told i was like a whippet, - cap and body warmer and i fled. i was told i was like a whippet, byl cap and body warmer and i fled. i. was told i was like a whippet, by my driver— was told i was like a whippet, by my driver and _ was told i was like a whippet, by my driverand ijust— was told i was like a whippet, by my driver and ijust mounted _ was told i was like a whippet, by my driver and ijust mounted the - was told i was like a whippet, by my driver and ijust mounted the fence i driver and ijust mounted the fence and i've _ driver and ijust mounted the fence and i've got— driver and ijust mounted the fence and i've got a — driver and ijust mounted the fence and i've got a drainpipe _ driver and ijust mounted the fence and i've got a drainpipe with- driver and ijust mounted the fence and i've got a drainpipe with a - driver and ijust mounted the fence and i've got a drainpipe with a gap, and i've got a drainpipe with a gap, and i_ and i've got a drainpipe with a gap, and i basically— and i've got a drainpipe with a gap, and i basically got _ and i've got a drainpipe with a gap, and i basically got to _ and i've got a drainpipe with a gap, and i basically got to the _ and i've got a drainpipe with a gap, and i basically got to the same - and i basically got to the same height— and i basically got to the same height as — and i basically got to the same height as tiffany's _ and i basically got to the same height as tiffany's feet - and i basically got to the same height as tiffany's feet and - height as tiffany's feet and i climbed _ height as tiffany's feet and i climbed the _ height as tiffany's feet and i climbed the balcony - height as tiffany's feet and i climbed the balcony and - height as tiffany's feet and i climbed the balcony and me| height as tiffany's feet and i - climbed the balcony and me and tiffany— climbed the balcony and me and tiffany got— climbed the balcony and me and tiffany got in _ climbed the balcony and me and tiffany got in a _ climbed the balcony and me and tiffany got in a conversation - climbed the balcony and me and tiffany got in a conversation and climbed the balcony and me and. tiffany got in a conversation and i said, _ tiffany got in a conversation and i said” _ tiffany got in a conversation and i said” right, _ tiffany got in a conversation and i said,, right, there— tiffany got in a conversation and i said,, right, there was— tiffany got in a conversation and i said,, right, there was glass - said,, right, there was glass shattered, _ said,, right, there was glass shattered, the _ said,, right, there was glass shattered, the smoke - said,, right, there was glass shattered, the smoke was i said,, right, there was glass - shattered, the smoke was getting thicker— shattered, the smoke was getting thicker and — shattered, the smoke was getting thicker and i— shattered, the smoke was getting thicker and ijust _ shattered, the smoke was getting thicker and ijust picked _ shattered, the smoke was getting thicker and ijust picked up - thicker and ijust picked up tiffany~ _ thicker and ijust picked up tiffany. she _ thicker and ijust picked up tiffany. she said _ thicker and ijust picked up tiffany. she said no, - thicker and ijust picked up tiffany. she said no, i'm. thicker and ijust picked up tiffany. she said no, i'm in thicker and ijust picked up - tiffany. she said no, i'm in my pyjamas, — tiffany. she said no, i'm in my pyjamas, but _ tiffany. she said no, i'm in my pyjamas, but i _ tiffany. she said no, i'm in my pyjamas, but i said, _ tiffany. she said no, i'm in my pyjamas, but i said, no, - tiffany. she said no, i'm in my pyjamas, but i said, no, i'm i tiffany. she said no, i'm in my. pyjamas, but i said, no, i'm going to help _ pyjamas, but i said, no, i'm going to help you — pyjamas, but i said, no, i'm going to help you. let— pyjamas, but i said, no, i'm going to help yon-— pyjamas, but i said, no, i'm going to help you. let me get this picture riaht, ou to help you. let me get this picture right, you lifted _ to help you. let me get this picture right, you lifted her— to help you. let me get this picture right, you lifted her up _ to help you. let me get this picture right, you lifted her up on - to help you. let me get this picture right, you lifted her up on the - right, you lifted her up on the balcony, and then how did you get back to safety? like balcony, and then how did you get back to safety?— back to safety? like a fireman is lived. i carried _ back to safety? like a fireman is lived. i carried her— back to safety? like a fireman is lived. i carried her down - back to safety? like a fireman is lived. i carried her down to - back to safety? like a fireman is lived. i carried her down to the l lived. i carried her down to the ground — lived. i carried her down to the ground floor _ lived. i carried her down to the ground floor and _ lived. i carried her down to the ground floor and made - lived. i carried her down to the ground floor and made sure i lived. i carried her down to thel ground floor and made sure she lived. i carried her down to the - ground floor and made sure she was ok -- _ ground floor and made sure she was ok -- fireman's_ ground floor and made sure she was ok —— fireman's live. _ ground floor and made sure she was ok —— fireman's live. she _ ground floor and made sure she was ok —— fireman's live. she had no - 0k —— fireman's live. she had no slippers — 0k —— fireman's live. she had no slippers on. _ 0k —— fireman's live. she had no slippers on, and _ ok —— fireman's live. she had no slippers on, and i— 0k —— fireman's live. she had no slippers on, and i said, - ok —— fireman's live. she had no slippers on, and i said, go- 0k —— fireman's live. she had no slippers on, and i said, go and. slippers on, and i said, go and get some _ slippers on, and i said, go and get some slippers— slippers on, and i said, go and get some slippers on. _ slippers on, and i said, go and get some slippers on. she _ slippers on, and i said, go and get some slippers on. she was- slippers on, and i said, go and get. some slippers on. she was shivering and shaking — some slippers on. she was shivering and shaking she— some slippers on. she was shivering and shaking. she was— some slippers on. she was shivering and shaking. she was proper- and shaking. she was proper distress _ and shaking. she was proper distress. ,, ., and shaking. she was proper distress. , ., ., distress. so, steve, we have a full explanation _ distress. so, steve, we have a full explanation and _ distress. so, steve, we have a full explanation and description. - explanation and description. tiffany, can you pick up the story for us? fires are so frightening, so you are on the balcony and are you calling out? what do you know about what happens next?— what happens next? when the door went bang. — what happens next? when the door went bang. l _ what happens next? when the door went bang, i knew— what happens next? when the door went bang, i knew it _ what happens next? when the door went bang, i knew it was _ what happens next? when the door went bang, i knew it was too - what happens next? when the door went bang, i knew it was too late i went bang, i knew it was too late and i_ went bang, i knew it was too late and i couldn't stop nothing, so that's— and i couldn't stop nothing, so that's when i ran to the balcony. i was screaming off the balcony for ages, _ was screaming off the balcony for ages. and — was screaming off the balcony for ages, and normally the neighbours are quite _ ages, and normally the neighbours are quite alert and are up are anything— are quite alert and are up are anything but this time they weren't responding whatsoever. one vehicle did go— responding whatsoever. one vehicle did go past and he said i'm sorry, i'm did go past and he said i'm sorry, i'm late _ did go past and he said i'm sorry, i'm late for— did go past and he said i'm sorry, i'm late for work and carried on. and _ i'm late for work and carried on. and then — i'm late for work and carried on. and then luckily steve came along and helped us out. | and then luckily steve came along and helped us out.— and helped us out. i can't believe tiffany that _ and helped us out. i can't believe tiffany that somebody _ and helped us out. i can't believe tiffany that somebody actually i and helped us out. i can't believe i tiffany that somebody actually said, i�*m ever so sorry your houses on fire and i am late for work. that is outrageous. if that person is watching today, i suggest don�*t get in touch. your partner as well, and the dog, can you believe that steve, he got you down first, is that correct? , :, , correct? he helped me down but because the _ correct? he helped me down but because the dog _ correct? he helped me down but because the dog was _ correct? he helped me down but because the dog was panicking, | correct? he helped me down but- because the dog was panicking, there is only— because the dog was panicking, there is only ever— because the dog was panicking, there is only ever really been me around her and _ is only ever really been me around her and my— is only ever really been me around her and my partner, is only ever really been me around herand my partner, so is only ever really been me around her and my partner, so obviously she's— her and my partner, so obviously she's a _ her and my partner, so obviously she's a bit— her and my partner, so obviously she's a bit wary, so she didn't know what _ she's a bit wary, so she didn't know what was _ she's a bit wary, so she didn't know what was happening and we were trying _ what was happening and we were trying to— what was happening and we were trying to get her into the blanket and it— trying to get her into the blanket and it was— trying to get her into the blanket and it was hard work for both steve and it was hard work for both steve and zac _ and it was hard work for both steve and zac he — and it was hard work for both steve and zac. he is all cut on his stomach— and zac. he is all cut on his stomach where he was scratching trying _ stomach where he was scratching trying to — stomach where he was scratching trying to get off him. i'll, stomach where he was scratching trying to get off him.— trying to get off him. i'll, what would you _ trying to get off him. i'll, what would you like _ trying to get off him. i'll, what would you like to _ trying to get off him. i'll, what would you like to say, - trying to get off him. i'll, what would you like to say, tiffany, | trying to get off him. i'll, what - would you like to say, tiffany, you are on breakfast and steve is a hero, but what would you like to say to him now in terms of what he has done and what he means to you. this eah, he's done and what he means to you. this yeah, he's done a lot for us. —— yes, _ yeah, he's done a lot for us. —— yes, he's— yeah, he's done a lot for us. —— yes, he's done a lot for us. i left him _ yes, he's done a lot for us. i left him trying — yes, he's done a lot for us. i left him trying to get the dog down while he was _ him trying to get the dog down while he was alerting the neighbours, and we just— he was alerting the neighbours, and we just needed that extra pair of hands _ we just needed that extra pair of hands and — we just needed that extra pair of hands and he was there. itell we just needed that extra pair of hands and he was there. i tell you what. hands and he was there. i tell you what- you've _ hands and he was there. i tell you what. you've been _ hands and he was there. i tell you what. you've been through - hands and he was there. i tell you what. you've been through quite i hands and he was there. i tell you i what. you've been through quite an what. you�*ve been through quite an ordeal, tiffany. what is with this no slippers thing? why won�*t you wearing slippers? no slippers thing? why won't you wearing slippers?— no slippers thing? why won't you wearing slippers? well, i had got up and ut the wearing slippers? well, i had got up and put the kettle _ wearing slippers? well, i had got up and put the kettle on _ wearing slippers? well, i had got up and put the kettle on and _ wearing slippers? well, i had got up and put the kettle on and that's - and put the kettle on and that's when _ and put the kettle on and that's when i — and put the kettle on and that's when i switched the bike on charge. my usual— when i switched the bike on charge. my usual routine was to get up and put the _ my usual routine was to get up and put the kettle on and put on the washer. — put the kettle on and put on the washer. so _ put the kettle on and put on the washer, so that's what i was about to do— washer, so that's what i was about to do and — washer, so that's what i was about to do and then i heard the crackling and banging so i came back out of the bedroom to see what that was. automatically i wanted to grab loads of things— automatically i wanted to grab loads of things but i couldn't grab anything and by the time the door had gone — anything and by the time the door had gone boom, i've gone from one door frame — had gone boom, i've gone from one door frame to the other and by the time we _ door frame to the other and by the time i've done that it had already took— time i've done that it had already took off— time i've done that it had already took off in— time i've done that it had already took off in the living room. canl took off in the living room. can i 'ust ask, took off in the living room. can i just ask, obviously _ took off in the living room. can i just ask, obviously a _ took off in the living room. can i just ask, obviously a very - took off in the living room. can i | just ask, obviously a very serious story will stop there will be an investigation, but were used saying it was the electric bike? yes. investigation, but were used saying it was the electric bike?— it was the electric bike? yes, it must be, _ it was the electric bike? yes, it must be, that _ it was the electric bike? yes, it must be, that is _ it was the electric bike? yes, it must be, that is where - it was the electric bike? yes, it must be, that is where the - it was the electric bike? yes, it must be, that is where the fire | must be, that is where the fire started — must be, that is where the fire started from.— started from. steve, have you finished your _ started from. steve, have you finished your rounds - started from. steve, have you finished your rounds today? i started from. steve, have you i finished your rounds today? no, started from. steve, have you . finished your rounds today? no, i came off the _ finished your rounds today? no, i came off the rounds, _ finished your rounds today? no, i came off the rounds, and - finished your rounds today? no, i came off the rounds, and that. finished your rounds today? no, i came off the rounds, and that day, when _ came off the rounds, and that day, when i _ came off the rounds, and that day, when i dealt — came off the rounds, and that day, when i dealt with _ came off the rounds, and that day, when i dealt with zac— came off the rounds, and that day, when i dealt with zac and - came off the rounds, and that day, when i dealt with zac and the - came off the rounds, and that day, when i dealt with zac and the dog, | came off the rounds, and that day, i when i dealt with zac and the dog, i -ot when i dealt with zac and the dog, i got treated — when i dealt with zac and the dog, i got treated myself— when i dealt with zac and the dog, i got treated myself and _ when i dealt with zac and the dog, i got treated myself and made - when i dealt with zac and the dog, i got treated myself and made the i got treated myself and made the neighbours— got treated myself and made the neighbours alert _ got treated myself and made the neighbours alert but _ got treated myself and made the neighbours alert but i _ got treated myself and made the neighbours alert but i went- got treated myself and made the neighbours alert but i went for. got treated myself and made the neighbours alert but i went for al neighbours alert but i went for a cup of— neighbours alert but i went for a cup of tea — neighbours alert but i went for a cup of tea and _ neighbours alert but i went for a cup of tea and i— neighbours alert but i went for a cup of tea and i carried - neighbours alert but i went for a cup of tea and i carried on - neighbours alert but i went for a cup of tea and i carried on with. neighbours alert but i went for a i cup of tea and i carried on with my daily— cup of tea and i carried on with my daily tasks— cup of tea and i carried on with my daily tasks that _ cup of tea and i carried on with my daily tasks that day. _ cup of tea and i carried on with my daily tasks that day. and - cup of tea and i carried on with my daily tasks that day. and that's - daily tasks that day. and that's what _ daily tasks that day. and that's what i've — daily tasks that day. and that's what i've done _ daily tasks that day. and that's what i've done today. - daily tasks that day. and that's what i've done today. i- daily tasks that day. and that's what i've done today. i came i daily tasks that day. and that's i what i've done today. i came here daily tasks that day. and that's - what i've done today. i came here to see tiffany _ what i've done today. i came here to see tiffany and — what i've done today. i came here to see tiffany and i_ what i've done today. i came here to see tiffany and i will _ what i've done today. i came here to see tiffany and i will carry— what i've done today. i came here to see tiffany and i will carry on - what i've done today. i came here to see tiffany and i will carry on with i see tiffany and i will carry on with the work— see tiffany and i will carry on with the work later. _ see tiffany and i will carry on with the work later.— see tiffany and i will carry on with the work later. you are some man. you are deserving _ the work later. you are some man. you are deserving of— the work later. you are some man. you are deserving of the _ the work later. you are some man. you are deserving of the title - the work later. you are some man. j you are deserving of the title hero, steve. steve whitehouse and tiffany dupre, enjoy the rest of your day and thanks for talking to us. it�*s and thanks for talking to us. it's one of those _ and thanks for talking to us. it�*s one of those moments where the reluctant, downplaying hero thing. brilliant. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning, welcome to bbc london, i�*m thomas magill. the london borough of havering says it�*s secured the necessary assurances from the government to avoid effectively going bankrupt. the council says a so called capitalisation direction for £53 million to help them balance their books has been confirmed. havering is also planning to raise council tax by the maximum allowed. mps have been told pedicabs are turning the west end into the "wild west end" during a commons debate on a new bill to regulate their use. the conservative mp for the cities of london and westminster nickie aiken said they�*ve become an overwhelming nuisance. the bill was passed and will now go to the house of lords. the union that represents front—of—house theatre staff in the west end says the behaviour of theatre goer�*s has got worse since the pandemic. they say 90% of its workers have directly experienced or witnessed bad behaviour including threats of violence and sexual harassment. let�*s take a look at how the tube is running. there�*s minor delays on the central line. that takes us to the weather and as you can see it�*s going to be wet for much of the day and into the evening. it will be mild though for this time of year with a top temperature of 12 degrees. there�*s more on the bbc news app including details of the new timetable for the central line that�*s been introduced to help reduce delays. i�*ll be back in half an hour. good morning, welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today. mps call on the government to come up with a plan on assisted dying if the isle of man and jersey change their laws. parents in england will face bigger fines if their children miss school without permission. did you kill emma? no, i never. the lies of a killer. iain packer is finally convicted of the murder of emma caldwell. herfamily demand a public inquiry into why it took 19 years to bring him tojustice. cost of living pressures mean more people are pulling money out of their pensions early. but doing that can come at a cost. i�*ll have the details. dann�*s the man, as liverpool keep their quadruple dream alive. teenagerjayden danns helps liverpool sweep past southampton to set up an fa cup quarterfinal with manchester united. good morning. for england and wales today will be very cloudy with rain pushing to the south—east, scotland and northern ireland have sunshine and northern ireland have sunshine and showers that are blustery with gales in the north. and feeling colder for gales in the north. and feeling colderfor all gales in the north. and feeling colder for all of us. it�*s thursday, 29th of february. our main story. a group of mps has urged ministers to consider the implications for the uk, if assisted dying is legalised in the isle of man and jersey. the health select committee has published a report, which it hopes will provide evidence for future debates. opponents say that current laws protect people from coming under pressure to end their lives. here�*s our medical editor, fergus walsh. the mps don�*t make recommendations for or against assisted dying. rather, the aim of their report is to serve as a basis for debate on what they call this difficult, sensitive, yet crucial subject. more and more countries in europe have legalised assisted dying in some form, along with new zealand, australia, canada and ten states in the us. the mps say they saw no evidence that palliative and end of life care had deteriorated as a result, and in some instances it had improved. the committee calls for more money for hospices in england, which only get a third of their funding from the nhs. while assisted dying remains illegal throughout the uk, the mps say it looks increasingly likely it will be allowed injersey or the isle of man, both crown dependencies. the report says ministers at westminster should be actively involved in discussions about what the implications of that might be. the fact is we are all going to die. the issue was back in the spotlight recently when dame esther rantzen, who has advanced cancer, revealed she had joined the swiss assisted dying organisation dignitas. since 2015, more than 250 people from the uk have ended their lives at dignitas. the 83—year—old broadcaster wants another free vote on assisted dying in parliament. if every party would just put this in their manifesto that we will hold a debate, that we will have a free vote and hopefully the rest of us also will have a choice about the way we want to end our lives. it�*s nearly a decade since mps last voted on assisted dying, rejecting it by nearly three to one. campaigners for a law change are pinning their hopes on the new intake of mps at the next election, hoping more will be sympathetic to their cause. the government says any change is a matter for parliament. opponents say legalising assisted dying would undermine support for the frail and vulnerable. i think this will fundamentally change the way we react to people towards the end of their lives. at the moment, all of my focus is around helping patients to live the rest of their lives as comfortably as possible and with all the independence and choice that we can give them. suddenly, i think if assisted suicide is in the room, that�*s a very difficult decision patients have to take. i think it distorts the priorities of care and it risks changing the focus away from providing them with really good care into a kind of should i, shouldn�*t i discussion, which ultimately i don�*t think is going to benefit the vast majority of patients. the mps say they want a national strategy for death literacy and support following a terminal diagnosis to help improve understanding of end of life care. fergus walsh, bbc news. naga now has more on a focus on attendance in school. we have had a lot of conversations about this today. parents in england who take their children out of school without permission, will face higher fines, as part of a drive to boost attendance. from september, each parent will face an £80 penalty rising to £160 if not paid within three weeks. our education editor, branwenjeffreys, has more. at this little primary in grimsby, fewer children are missing days than last year. the staff work with parents to make school welcoming. but some families say they can only afford holidays in term time. the rules leave the school limited options. as a school, we follow all the processes, all the statutory processes, and we do fine parents, but we feel that doesn�*t have an impact. the thing that most supports our parents in understanding the children, the importance of children being in school is the relationships. so yes, the fines are one thing, but that support and those relationships we offer our parents is the most important thing. fines for missing school without permission will change in england from september. at the moment, it�*s £60 per parent. next school year it will be £80 per parent, going up to £160 if not paid, with a maximum two fines per parent every three years. as a parent, your chance of being fined depends on where you live, and that�*s because different councils have been setting their own policies. these new guidelines say schools must consider a fine after five days of unauthorised absence. headteachers will still have some discretion, but this is a tougher approach and it is likely to lead to more fines. some parents struggle to get support for children�*s mental health. others face delays getting help for special educational needs. at a play centre in redcar, we asked parents what they thought about fines. i think it�*s shocking and i don�*t think anyone�*s going to listen to it because it won�*t stop me from taking my child out if i can only afford that time. i think it's a bit frustrating because fair enough, education's important but so's life experiences, and not all parents can afford to take the kids on holidays during term time. at the grimsby school, the education secretary heard from children. so if you�*re really ill but if you�*ve just got a sniffle and you�*re feeling... a cough or something, then you can come in. and you�*re feeling... a cough or something, then you can come in. here, they have points and prizes to encourage attendance. fines are a last resort for most schools, so why increase them? i think it�*s just about having that consistent approach. the problem we�*re trying to solve actually is people taking their children out voluntarily, really, maybe to go on holiday or something like that. so what would you say directly to parents about why you think there is a place for fines in the system? obviously, we want to support those parents and those children that are struggling to go in school. but if it�*s a deliberate decision to take your child out of school for unauthorised absence, then that�*s something that we don�*t want to encourage in the school system. something has shifted in communities since covid. the link between school and families more fragile and still many children are missing a lot of lessons. branwenjeffreys, bbc news, grimsby. voting has started in rochdale, where people will head to the polls to elect a new mp. the by—election was called after the death of labour mp, sir tony lloyd injanuary. there are 11 candidates standing, with results expected early on friday morning. the armed forces minister, james heappey, has offered to meet the family of a kenyan woman, who was allegedly killed by a british soldier in 2012. the death of agnes wanjiru has caused widespread anger after a 2019 inquest held in kenya concluded she was murdered by one or more british soldiers and found signs of a potential cover up. a public health campaign to remind parents of the importance of childhood vaccinations has been launched in england. health experts have warned children are "suffering needlessly" because of the decline in uptake since the pandemic. it comes amid a rise in measle cases across the country. this isn�*t something new, it�*s a steady decline, and i think when we look at what are the reasons for that, probably a couple. quite mundane things like people are busy, trying to fit in schedules, particularly if you�*ve got large numbers of children, small children altogether, trying to get to a gp or school. so making access easy for people is one of the really important things. then i think people havejust important things. then i think people have just forgotten what some of these childhood illnesses are like and some of the risks. over the past few months here on breakfast, we�*ve been telling you all about the bbc�*s 500 words short story writing competition. out of 50 finalists, the six winners have now been selected but their identity will remain a secret until a special bbc programme next week. ahead of that, jon has been to buckingham palace to introduce queen camilla to his fellowjudges. hello, jon. lovely to meet you. how are you? very good, thank you very much. thank you for having us. there are hundreds of children who want to read you a story through there. i think they all want to read their stories to everybody. they�*re so good, aren�*t they? they really are. the imagination goes mad. it was a year ago today, we went to a school in birmingham with bbc breakfast to launch it and the children who we met that day are all here today and are terribly excited, not just shortlisted. oh, lovely, they�*ve just come to clap. absolutely. the winners will be revealed in a special bbc programme which will air on world book day next thursday. it did look likejon was showing the queen around buckingham palace! yes. queen around buckingham palace! yes, here is the cabinet _ queen around buckingham palace! yes, here is the cabinet that this takes place in! he looked very home. we will ve place in! he looked very home. 9 will very closely watch the judges recommendations. let�*sjudge the recommendations. let�*s judge the weather recommendations. let�*sjudge the weather now with carol. good morning. it is certainly contrary, over the next few days. we have got cloud across england and wales, with rain moving south—east. clearer skies behind but a few showers across scotland and northern ireland and for all of us a day. you can see the cloud across england and wales, clearer skies behind with speckled cloud, those are the showers and some of them have been wintry on the tops of the hills and mountains, the snow level coming down as we go through the course of the day from 500 metres to about 200 metres or so. gales across the far north of the country, a blustery day across scotland and northern ireland and northern england, here is where we will see some sunshine. then we run into the cloud across the rest of england and wales, murky in the south—west, and heavy rain replacing the drizzle across the south—east. still mild in the south—east at the moment but as the weather front continues to pull away, we will find some cooler air following on continues to pull away, we will find some cooler airfollowing on behind. this is a cold front in the showers are persisting as we go through the day with temperatures ranging from six in the north to eight or nine as we push further south. this evening we push further south. this evening we will lose the rain of the cloud goes with it, clear skies follow, temperatures will drop with some frost and we can see the next weather front coming in frost and we can see the next weatherfront coming in introducing some rain at lower levels, sleet and hail snow across the hills of wales, the peak district and northern ireland, and that will all be pushing north and east tomorrow. the issue of assisted dying is a topic that divides opinion and has long been the subject of public debate. it�*s currently illegal in the uk, but withjersey and the isle of man considering its legalisation, mps here are urging ministers to hold a national conversation on the issue. the subject has been in the spotlight in recent months after dame esther rantzen, who has stage four lung cancer, revealed she had joined an assisted dying clinic in switzerland. she�*s been speaking to our reporter john maguire on the phone. it�*s been called the last taboo. we try not to think about death or talk about it, but the fact is we are all going to die. 18 years ago, dame esther rantzen made a bbc documentary called how to have a good death. now undergoing treatment for terminal lung cancer, she believes that how and when her life ends should be her decision. i would like to be talking about life, you know, so if we can get this cut and dried and over and finished and decided, if every party would just put this in their manifesto, that we will hold a debate, that we will have a free vote, and hopefully the rest of us also will have a choice about the way we want to end our lives in ideal circumstances or even in difficult circumstances, when we don�*t want our families�* memories to be, if you like, overwhelmed by the memory of us in pain, suffering. there�*s a word that those campaigning for a change in the law on assisted dying keep coming back to — choice. we have a very narrow choice. if i want to end my life in my own way, in my own time, then perhaps i have to go to dignitas in switzerland and perhaps i have to leave my family, my closest loved ones behind. because if they go with me, they could be accused of conspiring to bring about my death. within families, there will be conflicts, won�*t there? have you experienced that yourself or has everybody sort of thought, well, you know, mum knows best? no, nobody thinks i know best in my family! but what they certainly think is we should all have the choice. she�*s renowned for being forthright, a straight talker. death is a taboo subject for many, but not for dame esther. in the end, i shall drop off my perch. i do come to that conclusion. i have worked out that that is likely to be well, it�*s up to others, isn�*t it? but you think obviously that should be your decision? well, at the moment it�*s not. hopefully one day it will be. may not be in time for me, but let�*s hope in time for others. she�*s adamant that any law change must include safeguards to protect the vulnerable. but says death is a part of life and a good death should be everyone�*s right. john maguire, bbc news. baroness tanni grey—thompson, who is against the legalisation of assisted dying, joins us now. thank you very much forjoining us this morning. tell us your view. we heard from dame esther rantzen there, who was talking to our reporterjohn, and her reasons for being pro assisted dying, what are yours for being against it? there are many reasons _ yours for being against it? there are many reasons that _ yours for being against it? there are many reasons that i - yours for being against it? there are many reasons that i don't . are many reasons that i don�*t support a change in the law. one of the biggest ones is the potential for coercion. and one of the things the committee has looked at is about the committee has looked at is about the ability to assess capacity and choice. and they have also raised theissueis choice. and they have also raised the issue is that putting adequate and proper safeguards in a very difficult to do. so it�*s not simple to change the law, and when we talk about choice, choice is also very complicated. there is a difference between choice in how you live your life or how you access a particular service, their cis how you end your life. because not everybody in the uk has the same view about how they want their lives to end. nobody wants anybody to die in pain or suffering but actually something really important has come out of the committee, which is that we need to look at palliative care. it is a postcode lottery in this country. specialist out of hours palliative care is not sufficient. and when you look at that. this is a difficult subject, and there are nuance around it. sub'ect, and there are nuance around it. �* ., sub'ect, and there are nuance around it. ., sub'ect, and there are nuance around it. but there are obviously reported acts of kindness _ it. but there are obviously reported acts of kindness for _ it. but there are obviously reported acts of kindness for those - it. but there are obviously reported acts of kindness for those who - it. but there are obviously reported acts of kindness for those who are l acts of kindness for those who are dying, and in a lot of pain.- acts of kindness for those who are dying, and in a lot of pain. yeah, i mean, dying, and in a lot of pain. yeah, i mean. surveys _ dying, and in a lot of pain. yeah, i mean, surveys have _ dying, and in a lot of pain. yeah, i mean, surveys have shown - dying, and in a lot of pain. yeah, i mean, surveys have shown that i mean, surveys have shown that actually, people don�*t necessarily understand what assisted dying means. there is a lot of confusion between that and palliative care. this is not very pleasant discussing this at eight o�*clock in the morning, assisted dying means you have to ingest or inject lethal drugs. and how that life is ended is not always this hollywood death. there are a huge number of complications around the world. and a lot of those who wish to change the law are looking at oregon, and with oregon, it has been shown, they destroyed the records after every year, there is a lack of transparency, the data is incomplete. there are lots of concerns and one of the things that the committee highlighted around all of the different jurisdictions around the world, there are a lot of differences about how this law has been brought in.— been brought in. good morning, tannl been brought in. good morning, tanni, charlie _ been brought in. good morning, tanni, charlie here. _ been brought in. good morning, tanni, charlie here. looking - been brought in. good morning, tanni, charlie here. looking at i been brought in. good morning, i tanni, charlie here. looking at the committee chaired steve bryant who said amongst other things, as you have quoted, he is hoping that their report will act as a comprehensive basis for future debate in both houses of parliament. this in your position, are you against this being discussed, given your position, in the house of commons for example? i�*m absolutely not against debate and it has been debated most years in parliament in both commons and in the house of lords. there have not been as many votes. but it is important to keep talking about it. we need to talk about death. they matter is absolutely right, we don�*t talk about death, we need a national strategy —— dame esther is absolutely right. we need to get the right support around people. in jurisdictions around the world, there has been an increase in palliative care. but in your jurisdictions where there is assisted dying, that palliative care has been less. we need to support people through end of life not look at ways to get rid of people. it�*s a at ways to get rid of people. it's a ve , at ways to get rid of people. it's a very. very — at ways to get rid of people. it's a very, very difficult _ at ways to get rid of people. it's a very, very difficult equation, - at ways to get rid of people. it's a very, very difficult equation, this one, isn�*t it? we heard from esther rantzen a moment ago. how do you balance her wishes and her rights, i suppose, as a human being about what happens at the end of her life, with the very real concerns that you have about other people in those scenarios?— about other people in those scenarios? , . , ., , , scenarios? death is really scary. and most _ scenarios? death is really scary. and most people _ scenarios? death is really scary. and most people are _ scenarios? death is really scary. and most people are scared - scenarios? death is really scary. and most people are scared of l scenarios? death is really scary. i and most people are scared of it. it's and most people are scared of it. it�*s not something i particularly like to think about. but if you look at other jurisdictions around like to think about. but if you look at otherjurisdictions around the world where people are choosing to end their lives, in canada, 17% of those people who choose to end their lives are doing it because they are frightened of being lonely. in oregon, it�*s because they are frightened of being a burden to theirfamilies. we need to keep discussing this, but we also need to have a really honest conversation about whether it is about saving money from the nhs, again in canada canada doctors are paid to end people�*s lives. in the uk, doctors are paid to protect and support people. at the end of their life. so it does fundamentally change our relationship with the medical profession, with ourfamilies. a colleague said to me a while ago, where there is a will, there is a relative. and these are the things that need to be taken into consideration if the law is going to change. consideration if the law is going to chan . e. : , ., ,, consideration if the law is going to chance. : , ., ,, :, change. and if they were taken into consideration, _ change. and if they were taken into consideration, tanni, _ change. and if they were taken into consideration, tanni, would - change. and if they were taken into consideration, tanni, would that. consideration, tanni, would that change your view? it�*s consideration, tanni, would that change your view?— consideration, tanni, would that change your view? it's finding the ri . ht change your view? it's finding the right safeguards. _ change your view? it's finding the right safeguards. and _ change your view? it's finding the right safeguards. and the - change your view? it's finding the i right safeguards. and the committee has said that it�*s incredibly difficult to provide the right protection for people. again, if you look at canada, which is a jurisdiction now people are moving away from because they have accelerated, and beyond assisted dying to euthanasia, there are cases, one wheelchair user asked for a ramp for a cases, one wheelchair user asked for a rampfora house, she cases, one wheelchair user asked for a ramp for a house, she was offered a ramp for a house, she was offered a medical aid a ramp for a house, she was offered a medicalaid in dying. so a ramp for a house, she was offered a medical aid in dying. so every jurisdiction where the law might necessarily not have changed but the practice in those jurisdictions necessarily not have changed but the practice in thosejurisdictions has changed because once you open the door, there are a lot of people, i�*m not a fan of the word slippery slope but i cannot find a better description of it. it absolutely changes once we bring in any kind of assisted dying law.— assisted dying law. baroness tanni grey-thompson, _ assisted dying law. baroness tanni grey-thompson, thank _ assisted dying law. baroness tanni grey-thompson, thank you - assisted dying law. baroness tanni grey-thompson, thank you very i assisted dying law. baroness tanni . grey-thompson, thank you very much grey—thompson, thank you very much for talking about this subject this morning on breakfast. morning live follows breakfast on bbc one this morning. let�*s find out what they have in store with gethin and kym. what�*s going on there? what�*s 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agree. we do. that's enough of _ be fine. because we always agree. we do. that's enough of that! _ time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. a very good morning. welcome to bbc london. i�*m thomas magill. the london borough of havering says it�*s secured the necessary assurances from the government to avoid effectively going bankrupt. the council says a so called �*capitalisation direction�* for £53 million to help them balance their books has been confirmed. havering is also planning to raise council tax in april by the maximum allowed. mps have been told pedicabs are turning the west end into the "wild west end" during a commons debate last night on a new bill to regulate their use. the conservative mp for the cities of london and westminster nickie aiken said they�*ve become an overwhelming nuisance. the bill was passed by mps and will now go to the house of lords. tonight�*s people�*s question time where there public get the chance to ask the mayor, sadiq khan questions has been moved online after heckling took place at the last event. city hall took the decision to cancel the �*in—person�* meeting saying they had some safety concerns. all parties on the london assembly — including labour — have opposed the mayors decision. sticking with audience behaviour, and the union that represents front—of—house theatre staff in the west end says the behaviour of theatregoers has got worse since the pandemic. they say 90 per cent of its workers have directly experienced or witnessed bad behaviour. incidents reported range from threats of violence to sexual harassment. behaviours have deteriorated post—pandemic. so whether it�*s a case of people forgetting how they�*re supposed to behave in theatres, or whether it�*s just generally that standards are dropping, i�*m not quite sure. but some of these behaviours are really shocking. and our members, who are the lowest paid, who work in theatres, just really shouldn�*t have to experience that when they�*re at work. let�*s take a look at how the tubes is running. there�*s minor delays on the central line. now onto the weather with kawser. hello. good morning. a bit of a misty, murky start and a wet start to the day as well. today we are expecting heavy, persistent rain for a time and it stays mild after the mild start to the day. so, here�*s that persistent rain. it will be occasionally heavy, staying with us as we head into the afternoon, especially for more eastern parts. the winds are light and temperatures while staying at around 10 to 12 celsius. now, during the evening, that rain will be with us for a time. but clearing out and it does become drier overnight with clearer skies, allowing it to turn quite chilly. but by the end of the night, further outbreaks of rain are arriving in from the west and temperatures quite widely dipping to low single figures. but the winds will pick up from the southwest with low pressure dominating our weather for friday and into saturday as well. and we�*re drawing in some colder air. so there is the potential that some of this rain up over the hills, maybe a little wintry with some sleet mixed in as we look ahead to the weekend. then while still a bit unsettled for saturday, with some showers around but then becoming drier for sunday. that�*s your forecast. there�*s more on the bbc news app including details about the new timetable for the central line that�*s been introduced in an attempt to reduce delays. i�*ll be back in half an hour. hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. the murder of emma caldwell was one of scotland 5 longest unsolved cases. it took 19 years for iain packer to be convicted after his first police interview in 2005. emma had a happy upbringing but when her older sister died from cancer, she struggled to cope and become addicted to drugs. in 2002, she moved to glasgow and turned to sex work to fund her habit. three years later, she went missing. her family spent weeks searching for her in the city centre where she was last seen on cctv, until eventually her body was discovered in a remote woodland in south lanarkshire. as part of the investigation, iain packer was interviewed multiple times by police between 2005 and 2007 but the line of enquiry was not followed up. then a few years later, packer agreed to two interviews with the bbc to clear his name . but in reality, those interviews encouraged more of his victims to come forward and he was arrested and charged with multiple offences ? including emma s murder — in 2022. earlier this year iain packer�*s trial began and yesterday, after four days ofjury deliberation, he was found guilty of murdering emma, and 32 other offences against 22 women. emma s mum margaret, spoke of her relief to gain closure after all these years. when they found emma�*s body and they told me, itook when they found emma�*s body and they told me, i took in a huge breath and thenit told me, i took in a huge breath and then it felt as though i couldn�*t let it out. like i couldn�*t breathe again. she will always be in my thoughts, she will always be there, she will again. she will always be in my thoughts, she will always be there, she will always again. she will always be in my thoughts, she will always be there, she will always be again. she will always be in my thoughts, she will always be there, she will always be my again. she will always be in my thoughts, she will always be there, she will always be my emma. the work of bbc scotland journalist samantha poling was used during the trial to convict packer. in this report, she explains how her investigation revealed his guilt. did you kill emma? no, i never. for iain packer, this was the beginning of the end. i need to get your consent for this interview on tape. an interview he had agreed to, which he would live to regret. i don�*t believe you�*ve been telling me the truth. the truth was that iain packer was one of the country�*s most prolific sexual predators, a violent rapist and a killer. emma caldwell�*s killer. emma�*s murder remained unsolved for 14 years. it wasn�*t until iain packer agreed to being interviewed by the bbc, interviews which would later be used against him in court as evidence of his lies, that he was finally confronted. all the evidence that i�*ve seen and everything that i have learned makes it clear that you are a sexually violent man... i�*m not a sexually violent man. ..who has raped women. i�*ve never raped anyone in my life. you told me you�*d never been to the place where emma�*s body was found. absolutely. you�*ve been there many times, according to all the evidence i�*ve seen. the first woman you took to those woods was emma. no, it wasn�*t. these former police officers who worked on the murder inquiry have broken their silence. the evidence against packer, they say, was there all along. yet senior officers repeatedly dismissed him as a suspect, instead wrongly pursuing four turkish men for the murder. they couldn�*t lose face. if they were to turn around and say, "we�*ve made a mistake here, we�*ve spent all this public money," their careers would have been finished. and they knew that, so they bluffed it out. we found numerous statements were given to police during the inquiry of rapes, sexual assaults and violent domestic abuse, all committed by packer. and he was identified as the man who�*d raped emma in the months before she went missing. this detective asked for packer to be made a suspect. he was told no. there was identification there of more than one, notjust him, the van, his behaviour. several girls had picked him out of the photographs. he's admitting to more and more. so i phoned willie johnston, who was the senior investigating officer. and i said to him, "i want to detain iain packer for the murder of emma caldwell." to which he replied, "do not detain him. he is not our man, release him." it wouldn�*t be the only time this detective was told to bring packer in for another statement. and i�*m told at that point, "davey, when you get iain packerand bring him in, it doesn�*t matter what he tells you. it doesn�*t matter what he tells you, he won�*t be an accused in this case." who tells you this? the sio, willie johnston. it�*s during that statement that packer finally admits to having taken women to remote woods for sex. they were the same remote woods where emma�*s body would later be found naked and strangled. packer then admits to having taken emma there too. i phone williejohnston, the boss, at home and give him the information that iain packer has had emma caldwell at the deposition site. he just relays what he told me previously, "davey, itold you at the start of the week he would never be an accused." williejohnston retired as a detective superintendent in 2014. he declined to provide a statement to the bbc. we asked police scotland for a statement. they said this — three years after this interview was broadcast, the police finally charged iain packer with the murder of emma caldwell. there�*s lots of good people in that inquiry, colleagues of mine who identified him early on in the inquiry. the mistakes were made elsewhere. mistakes which meant a violent killer was free to carry on raping and attacking women for another 15 years until he was finally caught. samantha poling, bbc news. samantha poling joins us now. good morning to you. it is fascinating how this has on —— unravelled. what was it like sitting opposite iain packer and interviewing him?- opposite iain packer and interviewing him? opposite iain packer and interviewin: him? ~ , interviewing him? when i first met him he contacted _ interviewing him? when i first met him he contacted me _ interviewing him? when i first met him he contacted me out _ interviewing him? when i first met him he contacted me out of- interviewing him? when i first met him he contacted me out of the i interviewing him? when i first met i him he contacted me out of the blue and said _ him he contacted me out of the blue and said he — him he contacted me out of the blue and said he wanted to clear his name as he _ and said he wanted to clear his name as he had _ and said he wanted to clear his name as he had been named in the press by the sunday— as he had been named in the press by the sunday mail a number of years earlier— the sunday mail a number of years earlier and — the sunday mail a number of years earlier and felt people were pointing the finger and he wanted his name — pointing the finger and he wanted his name cleared so when i was meeting — his name cleared so when i was meeting him i genuinely thought for the first— meeting him i genuinely thought for the first few months that he was a victim _ the first few months that he was a victim of— the first few months that he was a victim of the most unfortunate set of coincidences, so when he agreed to sit— of coincidences, so when he agreed to sit down— of coincidences, so when he agreed to sit down for the first interview with me. — to sit down for the first interview with me, i'm literally sitting there thinking _ with me, i'm literally sitting there thinking this is a shame. he tells me during — thinking this is a shame. he tells me during the first interview, i'm not a _ me during the first interview, i'm not a violent man, i've never hurt a woman— not a violent man, i've never hurt a woman in— not a violent man, i've never hurt a woman in my— not a violent man, i've never hurt a woman in my life and i've never killed _ woman in my life and i've never killed emma caldwell and then i came across— killed emma caldwell and then i came across the _ killed emma caldwell and then i came across the most overwhelming evidence — across the most overwhelming evidence that he was a violent sexual— evidence that he was a violent sexual predator and had raped multiple — sexual predator and had raped multiple women, sexually assaulted numerous _ multiple women, sexually assaulted numerous women and had a history of domestic— numerous women and had a history of domestic violence, physical violence, domestic violence and i believe _ violence, domestic violence and i believe he — violence, domestic violence and i believe he had killed emma caldwell so to realise this man i had spent so to realise this man i had spent so much — so to realise this man i had spent so much time with and meeting was actually— so much time with and meeting was actually the man i was hunting was an incredible moment. what actually the man i was hunting was an incredible moment.— actually the man i was hunting was an incredible moment. what was the moment like — an incredible moment. what was the moment like when _ an incredible moment. what was the moment like when he _ an incredible moment. what was the moment like when he realised i an incredible moment. what was the moment like when he realised you i an incredible moment. what was the i moment like when he realised you had all this irrefutable evidence? i said to him at the end of the first interview— said to him at the end of the first interview i— said to him at the end of the first interview i will go and investigate anything — interview i will go and investigate anything you told me and i will get you back— anything you told me and i will get you back a — anything you told me and i will get you back a second interview and i will put _ you back a second interview and i will put to— you back a second interview and i will put to you the evidence i find and he _ will put to you the evidence i find and he said, that was fine, and i said— and he said, that was fine, and i said if— and he said, that was fine, and i said if i— and he said, that was fine, and i said if i find— and he said, that was fine, and i said if i find evidence against you that leads — said if i find evidence against you that leads me to point the finger, i will point _ that leads me to point the finger, i will point the finger and he said no problem _ will point the finger and he said no problem so — will point the finger and he said no problem so when i get him back for the second — problem so when i get him back for the second interview and i was standing — the second interview and i was standing outside the building and saying _ standing outside the building and saying come on, let's go in and he looked _ saying come on, let's go in and he looked at — saying come on, let's go in and he looked at me and said, i'm so excited — looked at me and said, i'm so excited i_ looked at me and said, i'm so excited. i cannot wait to hear what you have _ excited. i cannot wait to hear what you have found out and he sits down and the _ you have found out and he sits down and the first — you have found out and he sits down and the first thing i say to him is that i_ and the first thing i say to him is that i don't— and the first thing i say to him is that i don't believe you've been telling — that i don't believe you've been telling me the truth and i think you are a _ telling me the truth and i think you are a violent sexual predator who has raped — are a violent sexual predator who has raped multiple women and basically— has raped multiple women and basically i believe you are responsible for the murder of emma caldwell— responsible for the murder of emma caldwell and you can see his face in some _ caldwell and you can see his face in some of— caldwell and you can see his face in some of that interview, the colour goes _ some of that interview, the colour goes and — some of that interview, the colour goes and his breathing changes and it's literally like the oxygen has been _ it's literally like the oxygen has been sucked out of the room and i've never— been sucked out of the room and i've never been _ been sucked out of the room and i've never been in — been sucked out of the room and i've never been in such a highly charged interview— never been in such a highly charged interview ever and probably never will again — interview ever and probably never willagain. it interview ever and probably never will again. it was not a pleasant moment— will again. it was not a pleasant moment for him or anybody in that room _ moment for him or anybody in that room. �* , :, moment for him or anybody in that room. �* , . ., room. it's charlie here, and i wonder if— room. it's charlie here, and i wonder if you _ room. it's charlie here, and i wonder if you could - room. it's charlie here, and i wonder if you could take i room. it's charlie here, and i wonder if you could take us i room. it's charlie here, and i. wonder if you could take us into room. it's charlie here, and i- wonder if you could take us into the courtroom when you gave evidence and then when the guilty verdict came in. tell us about that experience. i�*ve spent so much time with him and i've spent so much time with him and to suddenly— i've spent so much time with him and to suddenly be told those interviews and the _ to suddenly be told those interviews and the number of women who had come forward _ and the number of women who had come forward as— and the number of women who had come forward as a _ and the number of women who had come forward as a result ofjournalism that was— forward as a result ofjournalism that was going to be used as the case _ that was going to be used as the case against him and i was required to give _ case against him and i was required to give evidence, and that was a moment, — to give evidence, and that was a moment, but then to be told i was being _ moment, but then to be told i was being held — moment, but then to be told i was being held for the end of the crown case because the evidence was key meant _ case because the evidence was key meant i _ case because the evidence was key meant i missed out on practically the whole — meant i missed out on practically the whole trial, so to walking through— the whole trial, so to walking through that door and stand in the witness _ through that door and stand in the witness stand and face him was incredible. he hid his face for the first few— incredible. he hid his face for the first few moments and then ignored me for— first few moments and then ignored me for the — first few moments and then ignored me for the next hour or so and when his defence — me for the next hour or so and when his defence stood up, that is when he looked — his defence stood up, that is when he looked at me and that's the first time we _ he looked at me and that's the first time we made eye contact and had it not been _ time we made eye contact and had it not been for— time we made eye contact and had it not been for the bravery of the women — not been for the bravery of the women who had been giving evidence before _ women who had been giving evidence before me. _ women who had been giving evidence before me, these are vulnerable women — before me, these are vulnerable women with difficult pass that they have not— women with difficult pass that they have not moved on from and if they could find _ have not moved on from and if they could find these bravery and strength to talk about the horrific things— strength to talk about the horrific things that happen to them, myjob was so _ things that happen to them, myjob was so much easier but it wasn't something — was so much easier but it wasn't something i enjoyed, and the magnitude of what i was there to do to present _ magnitude of what i was there to do to present the evidence we had found which _ to present the evidence we had found which then— to present the evidence we had found which then helped lead to a conviction and lord beckett said yesterday that our journalism conviction and lord beckett said yesterday that ourjournalism had contributed to that conviction, that was incredible and to see margaret sitting _ was incredible and to see margaret sitting behind him when the verdict came _ sitting behind him when the verdict came in _ sitting behind him when the verdict came in 36 — sitting behind him when the verdict came in. 36 charges, 36. rapes, abductions. _ came in. 36 charges, 36. rapes, abductions, assaults, sexual assault and the _ abductions, assaults, sexual assault and the final charge of murder and you could — and the final charge of murder and you could hear a pin drop in the room _ you could hear a pin drop in the room and — you could hear a pin drop in the room and to— you could hear a pin drop in the room and to know that many victims were _ room and to know that many victims were there. — room and to know that many victims were there, and i should say there were _ were there, and i should say there were so— were there, and i should say there were so many victims who have since died since _ were so many victims who have since died since 2005 when they were giving _ died since 2005 when they were giving statements to the police about _ giving statements to the police about being attacked by him, being raped _ about being attacked by him, being raped by— about being attacked by him, being raped by him and him being a violent client~ _ raped by him and him being a violent client. identifying him in photo books — client. identifying him in photo books and they are just not believed and so _ books and they are just not believed and so many of those women have since _ and so many of those women have since died — and so many of those women have since died and to was there as a collective — since died and to was there as a collective voice to speak for many of those _ collective voice to speak for many of those women, it was an incredible moment~ _ of those women, it was an incredible moment. packer himself, no reaction, in the _ moment. packer himself, no reaction, in the middle — moment. packer himself, no reaction, in the middle of sentencing he picked — in the middle of sentencing he picked up a glass of water and takes a sip _ picked up a glass of water and takes a sip not _ picked up a glass of water and takes a sip. not even a shake of the hand. everybody— a sip. not even a shake of the hand. everybody else though, really emotional moment. everybody else though, really emotionalmoment. . ., emotional moment. samantha, i don't know what contact _ emotional moment. samantha, i don't know what contact you _ emotional moment. samantha, i don't know what contact you have _ emotional moment. samantha, i don't know what contact you have had i emotional moment. samantha, i don't know what contact you have had with i know what contact you have had with the family of emma caldwell since the family of emma caldwell since the trial or even in the times before, but i know from what we have heard from her, i think the phrase used on her behalf was she could breathe again. what more do you know about how this has been for emma caldwell�*s family? i about how this has been for emma caldwell's family?— caldwell's family? i sent a text to martaret caldwell's family? i sent a text to margaret the _ caldwell's family? i sent a text to margaret the night _ caldwell's family? i sent a text to margaret the night before - caldwell's family? i sent a text to margaret the night before the i margaret the night before the verdict — margaret the night before the verdict and i've been in regular contact — verdict and i've been in regular contact with her and it's been really— contact with her and it's been really difficult. this is a mother who lost— really difficult. this is a mother who lost her first daughter to cancer — who lost her first daughter to cancer and that is what caused emma to turn— cancer and that is what caused emma to turn in— cancer and that is what caused emma to turn in her— cancer and that is what caused emma to turn in her grief to drugs and then— to turn in her grief to drugs and then into— to turn in her grief to drugs and then into sex work and she loses her husband _ then into sex work and she loses her husband while she is campaigning to find out _ husband while she is campaigning to find out who killed emma. she has lost so _ find out who killed emma. she has lost so much from her life and now the days _ lost so much from her life and now the days of— lost so much from her life and now the days of campaigning to find out who killed — the days of campaigning to find out who killed her daughter, that is done _ who killed her daughter, that is done and _ who killed her daughter, that is done. and now what she wants is to find out _ done. and now what she wants is to find out why— done. and now what she wants is to find out why it has taken so long. 19 years — find out why it has taken so long. 19 years and we found out yesterday who it _ 19 years and we found out yesterday who it was — 19 years and we found out yesterday who it was. ,,., ., ., 19 years and we found out yesterday who it was. ,,. . ., ., ~ 19 years and we found out yesterday who it was. . ., ., ~ , :, who it was. samantha kerr, thank you ve much who it was. samantha kerr, thank you very much for— who it was. samantha kerr, thank you very much for sharing _ who it was. samantha kerr, thank you very much for sharing that _ who it was. samantha kerr, thank you very much for sharing that with i who it was. samantha kerr, thank you very much for sharing that with us. i for more on this you can watch �*catching a killer: the murder of emma caldwell�* — on bbc iplayer now. coming up to quarter to nine. then and is looking at an issue, and if you�*re fortunate enough to have a pension, orare you�*re fortunate enough to have a pension, or are planning to have a pension, or are planning to have a pension and she got an idea in your head when you would like to retire, or times are tough and you need a bit of extra support, financial support, you are looking at the issue of when you can dip into your pension pot and the consequences of doing so. financial pressures mean more people are being forced to dip into their pension pots early — but it can come at a cost. what i'm about to tell you in the next _ what i'm about to tell you in the next few — what i'm about to tell you in the next few minutes could make a difference of thousands of pounds, so listen _ difference of thousands of pounds, so listen carefully. it's a problem for lots _ so listen carefully. it's a problem for lots of — so listen carefully. it's a problem for lots of pensioners and it's catching _ for lots of pensioners and it's catching more and more people out. in catching more and more people out. in 2015— catching more and more people out. in 2015 pension freedom rules meant -- meaning— in 2015 pension freedom rules meant —— meaning that people age 55 or over could — —— meaning that people age 55 or over could take lump sums out of their— over could take lump sums out of their personal pension pots. over time, more chose to do that, hitting a peak during the pandemic. these can be varying amounts and for all sorts of reasons such as everyday expenditure, home maintenance or a new car or holiday. but when you take money out of your pension early, only some of it is tax—free — usually the first 25% of your total pension pot. if you take out more than that, you have to pay tax on the rest, as though it were income. the tax is taken automatically but the problem is that thousands of pensioners have been charged too much tax. in the last financial year alone, nearly 10,000 pensioners claimed back £5,000 or more in overpaid tax, although— back £5,000 or more in overpaid tax, although the — back £5,000 or more in overpaid tax, although the average refund was just over £3000. that s people like irene she dipped into her pension pot to help with her daughter's wedding costs. what landed in her bank account was a lot less than she expected. we agreed we would help contribute towards the wedding costs and i thought the best way to replenish the savings was to take some money from my pension pot and take advantage of my personal allowance for the year. i calculated that i would like to take out £16,760, which is effectively the personal allowance plus some tax—free cash. my allowance plus some tax—free cash. my pension provider did say i would be put on an emergency tax code, so i did expect to pay some income tax on that. however, when i got the payment through, ifound out on that. however, when i got the payment through, i found out that £4035 had been deducted for income tax. so irene got taxed a quarter of the total lump sum she had requested — and here s why, it's all to do with the tax—free allowance that everyone is entitled to. we all have a personal allowance, so if you're _ we all have a personal allowance, so if you're not— we all have a personal allowance, so if you're not working, _ we all have a personal allowance, so if you're not working, you _ we all have a personal allowance, so if you're not working, you would i if you're not working, you would think_ if you're not working, you would think a — if you're not working, you would think a lot — if you're not working, you would think a tot of— if you're not working, you would think a lot of the _ if you're not working, you would think a lot of the lump - if you're not working, you would think a lot of the lump sum - if you're not working, you would i think a lot of the lump sum would if you're not working, you would - think a lot of the lump sum would be covered _ think a lot of the lump sum would be covered by— think a lot of the lump sum would be covered by your— think a lot of the lump sum would be covered by your personal— think a lot of the lump sum would be covered by your personal allowance i covered by your personal allowance but what _ covered by your personal allowance but what happens _ covered by your personal allowance but what happens with _ covered by your personal allowance but what happens with emergency. covered by your personal allowance . but what happens with emergency rate tax, but what happens with emergency rate tax. if _ but what happens with emergency rate tax. if you _ but what happens with emergency rate tax. if you take — but what happens with emergency rate tax. if you take a — but what happens with emergency rate tax, if you take a lump _ but what happens with emergency rate tax, if you take a lump sum _ but what happens with emergency rate tax, if you take a lump sum the - but what happens with emergency rate tax, if you take a lump sum the tax - tax, if you take a lump sum the tax system _ tax, if you take a lump sum the tax system think— tax, if you take a lump sum the tax system think she _ tax, if you take a lump sum the tax system think she will _ tax, if you take a lump sum the tax system think she will receive that l system think she will receive that every month, _ system think she will receive that every month, even— system think she will receive that every month, even if— system think she will receive that every month, even if you're - system think she will receive that every month, even if you're not l every month, even if you're not going _ every month, even if you're not going to — every month, even if you're not going to end _ every month, even if you're not going to end this _ every month, even if you're not going to end this is _ every month, even if you're not going to end this is a _ every month, even if you're not going to end this is a one - every month, even if you're not going to end this is a one off, l every month, even if you're notl going to end this is a one off, so you only— going to end this is a one off, so you only get _ going to end this is a one off, so you only get 1/12 _ going to end this is a one off, so you only get 1/12 of _ going to end this is a one off, so you only get 1/12 of the personal| you only get 1/12 of the personal allowance — you only get 1/12 of the personal allowance. so _ you only get 1/12 of the personal allowance. so if— you only get 1/12 of the personal allowance. so if someone - you only get 1/12 of the personal allowance. so if someone is- you only get 1/12 of the personal allowance. so if someone is not| you only get 1/12 of the personal. allowance. so if someone is not a taxpayer— allowance. so if someone is not a taxnayer at— allowance. so if someone is not a taxnayer at alt. _ allowance. so if someone is not a taxpayer at all, that _ allowance. so if someone is not a taxpayer at all, that is _ allowance. so if someone is not a taxpayer at all, that is a - taxpayer at all, that is a substantial _ taxpayer at all, that is a substantial amount- taxpayer at all, that is a - substantial amount that they could claim _ substantial amount that they could claim back — one suggestion to avoid this happening is to take out a smaller amount first to trigger receiving that tax code, before you then take out the larger amount. but if you have overpaid you can either wait until the end of the tax year when hmrc will automatically refund you. or you can apply for an immediate tax reclaim which gets paid within 30 days. hmrc says it has no plans to change the system as it could mean people paying too little tax then later being hit with an unexpected bill. if you're thinking of dipping in to that pension pot, speak to your pension company before making any decisions. the crucial thing is to make sure you are — the crucial thing is to make sure you are informed about the implications of any decision you make _ implications of any decision you make before you make it. from politicians, tv stars and even the royalfamily — no one in the public eye was safe from the 19805 satirical sketch show, 'spitting image'. now the puppets are celebrating their 40th anniversary and sian filcher has been looking back at some of their most memorable moments. speak up, man, for god sake. say what _ speak up, man, for god sake. say what you — speak up, man, for god sake. say what you mean, you are not on the platform _ what you mean, you are not on the platform now. what you mean, you are not on the platform nova— platform now. spitting image sava . el platform now. spitting image savagely mocked _ platform now. spitting image savagely mocked famous - platform now. spitting image. savagely mocked famous faces platform now. spitting image - savagely mocked famous faces and at its peak the show was watched by 15 million people. john culshaw voiced around a0 characters between 199a in 1996. i around 40 characters between 1994 in 1996. h, around 40 characters between 1994 in 1996. u, , ., . 1996. i can remember watching the first episode _ 1996. i can remember watching the first episode and _ 1996. i can remember watching the first episode and seeing _ 1996. i can remember watching the first episode and seeing the - first episode and seeing the extremes of the public caricatures, and because the puppets were huge, these enormous caricature is, so the voices had to be huge as well. hoop voices had to be huge as well. how lona does voices had to be huge as well. how long does it — voices had to be huge as well. how long does it take _ voices had to be huge as well. how long does it take you to perfect somebody�*s voice? to long does it take you to perfect somebody's voice?— long does it take you to perfect somebody's voice? to perfect a voice, sometimes _ somebody's voice? to perfect a voice, sometimes you - somebody's voice? to perfect a voice, sometimes you might. somebody's voice? to perfect a | voice, sometimes you might get somebody's voice? to perfect a - voice, sometimes you might get them instantly if they are very recognisable. a simon cowell voice is an instant one. very laconic and a familiar style, so you might be straight in with that one. somebody like ricky gervais is might take longer. in like ricky gervais is might take loner. "j~~ like ricky gervais is might take loner. . longer. in 1986, edwina currie became longer. in 1986, edwina currie beeamejunior— longer. in 1986, edwina currie became junior health - longer. in 1986, edwina currie became junior health minister i longer. in 1986, edwina currie - became junior health minister and her puppet was soon introduced to the show. i her puppet was soon introduced to the show. ., . �* ., . the show. i thought, i haven't got a bi nose the show. i thought, i haven't got a his nose like _ the show. i thought, i haven't got a big nose like that, _ the show. i thought, i haven't got a big nose like that, but _ the show. i thought, i haven't got a big nose like that, but actually - the show. i thought, i haven't got a big nose like that, but actually i - big nose like that, but actually i have _ big nose like that, but actually i have my — big nose like that, but actually i have. my eyebrows don't do that. actually, — have. my eyebrows don't do that. actually, they do. i was being portrayed _ actually, they do. i was being portrayed as a bit like cruella de ville, _ portrayed as a bit like cruella de ville, or— portrayed as a bit like cruella de ville, or as— portrayed as a bit like cruella de ville, or as a vampire with dripping btood _ ville, or as a vampire with dripping blood on _ ville, or as a vampire with dripping blood on nry— ville, or as a vampire with dripping blood on my teeth. which i found reatty _ blood on my teeth. which i found really quite hurtful. 0n the other hand _ really quite hurtful. 0n the other hand you — really quite hurtful. 0n the other hand you realise fairly quickly that it nreant _ hand you realise fairly quickly that it nreant i— hand you realise fairly quickly that it meant i was recognised by lots of people. _ it meant i was recognised by lots of people. so— it meant i was recognised by lots of people, so it meant i became really well—known. people, so it meant i became really well-known— well-known. where there moments where ou well-known. where there moments where you dreaded _ well-known. where there moments where you dreaded seeing - well-known. where there moments where you dreaded seeing it - well-known. where there moments where you dreaded seeing it on - where you dreaded seeing it on certain weeks? i where you dreaded seeing it on certain weeks?— where you dreaded seeing it on certain weeks? i dreaded hit every week. i certain weeks? i dreaded hit every week- i used _ certain weeks? i dreaded hit every week. i used to _ certain weeks? i dreaded hit every week. i used to watch _ certain weeks? i dreaded hit every week. i used to watch it _ certain weeks? i dreaded hit every week. i used to watch it from - certain weeks? i dreaded hit every l week. i used to watch it from behind the sofa _ week. i used to watch it from behind the sofa saying, yes, i've got that, absoiutety — the sofa saying, yes, i've got that, absolutely right.— the sofa saying, yes, i've got that, absolutely right. margaret thatcher was betrayed _ absolutely right. margaret thatcher was betrayed as _ absolutely right. margaret thatcher was betrayed as the _ absolutely right. margaret thatcher was betrayed as the best _ absolutely right. margaret thatcher was betrayed as the best man - absolutely right. margaret thatcher was betrayed as the best man in i was betrayed as the best man in cabinet which edwina said she played up cabinet which edwina said she played up to. she cabinet which edwina said she played u- to. ,, . , . up to. she ditched the frills and furs, the up to. she ditched the frills and furs. the frilly _ up to. she ditched the frills and furs, the frilly bits _ up to. she ditched the frills and furs, the frilly bits on _ up to. she ditched the frills and furs, the frilly bits on the - furs, the frilly bits on the ruffles and so _ furs, the frilly bits on the ruffles and so on — furs, the frilly bits on the ruffles and so on off her little blouse is and so on off her little blouse is and she — and so on off her little blouse is and she started to wear more manly suits with— and she started to wear more manly suits with big lapels and white shirts — suits with big lapels and white shirts and so on and her voice dropped — shirts and so on and her voice dropped and she ended up sounding more _ dropped and she ended up sounding more like _ dropped and she ended up sounding more like steve nallon than steve nation _ more like steve nallon than steve nallon did. it more like steve nallon than steve nallon did. . , ., ., nallon did. it has returned to our screens with _ nallon did. it has returned to our screens with more _ nallon did. it has returned to our screens with more political - screens with more political caricature is like borisjohnson and donald trump and it seems no person is saved from the ridicule of spitting image. always good to be able to laugh at yourself, if you are going to be mocked, satirically, you have to take it on the chin. find you have to take it on the chin. and the notion she _ you have to take it on the chin. this the notion she was hiding you have to take it on the chin. 2:1:c the notion she was hiding behind you have to take it on the chin. 2.1:c the notion she was hiding behind the sofa, listening in. that report was from sian filcher. former england striker and broadcaster eni aluko has criticised x — formerly known as twitter — for allowing people to "vomit their hatred unchecked". after eni faced a wave of online abuse following comments made by ex—footballerjoey barton about women working in the men's game. 0ur disinformation and social media correspondent, marianna spring tracked down one of the trolls. marianna and eni join us now. good morning to you both. i suppose we should start with you, marianna, because often these trolls, more often than not are faceless but you came face to face with one who didn't really know he was a troll. exactly that. one of the things that is so revealing when you track people down and speak to them is the difference between what people say when their name and face are put to it and what people say when they don't have a picture of themselves and their name included. and i like to refer to the sort of accounts as shock troops. a big account will target an individual as happened in the case of eni and a series of smaller accounts will send explicitly abusive messages to the person, often misogynistic or racist, and the person i tracked down agreed to speak to me. they were not the most extreme example of some of the people sending hate but they had still made some harmful and hurtful comments, including wishing eni's safety could be compromised in some way and some really nasty stuff, so it's really important to be able to ask people questions and understand why they are behaving the way they do and hold them to account, as i tried to do with the person who had done this but also unpicking almost the idea that people don't realise that this is real life and there is a real person they are directing this at, and there are repercussions and consequences for posting that kind of content. this is someone who said, i go on my ipad and i write this stuff, and i close it and go off to sleep. it's almost an activity i do in the evenings. just activity i do in the evenings. just a ruick activity i do in the evenings. just a quick thought, often the thinking is that people don't realise the damage they are doing on the consequences of what they are saying when it is done on social media like that, so would the person you met, who remained anonymous, did it change his behaviour? do you know if that has had that effect? 1 questioned him on the content he was sharing and he did turn around and say he thought he had taken it too far with some messages and he regretted it and he apologised for sharing them and the harm they caused. he has not directed, so far, any more hate at eni but i have noticed there are other hateful comments shared about different people, so to some extent, if you talk to someone about this stuff, it will allow them to reflect on it and express their regret but at the same time, is not a quick fix, and that's where we need to think about the way social media sites work to allow things like this to happen and they would say that's not the case and this kind of behaviour is common. eni, good morning to you. good morning- _ eni, good morning to you. good morning. what _ eni, good morning to you. good morning. what was _ eni, good morning to you. good morning. what was the - eni, good morning to you. good morning. what was the impact, | eni, good morning to you. good i morning. what was the impact, it eni, good morning to you. good - morning. what was the impact, it was almost a pile — morning. what was the impact, it was almost a pile on _ morning. what was the impact, it was almost a pile on after— morning. what was the impact, it was almost a pile on afterjoey _ morning. what was the impact, it was almost a pile on afterjoey barton's i almost a pile on afterjoey barton's tweet, and you had to be notified by the producers, so what was the impact on you? the the producers, so what was the impact on you?— the producers, so what was the impact on you? the impact of it, i can only describe _ impact on you? the impact of it, i can only describe it _ impact on you? the impact of it, i can only describe it as _ impact on you? the impact of it, i can only describe it as it _ can only describe it as it feels like a — can only describe it as it feels like a wave, waves caving in on you and the _ like a wave, waves caving in on you and the nature ofjoey barton's tweets — and the nature ofjoey barton's tweets were consecutive over the course _ tweets were consecutive over the course of — tweets were consecutive over the course of a — tweets were consecutive over the course of a week and there were several— course of a week and there were several tweets and he continued to double _ several tweets and he continued to double down after itv came out in the defence of me and lucy ward, he continued _ the defence of me and lucy ward, he continued to — the defence of me and lucy ward, he continued to double down and was trying _ continued to double down and was trying to— continued to double down and was trying to get worse and incite other people is— trying to get worse and incite other people is to say the same thing. it's probably one of the worst instances _ it's probably one of the worst instances of social media abuse i've experienced and it's not something i've experienced before and it's part of— i've experienced before and it's part of the culture that many women in broadcasting have had to put up with for— in broadcasting have had to put up with for a — in broadcasting have had to put up with for a long time now but here you have — with for a long time now but here you have somebody injoey with for a long time now but here you have somebody in joey barton who has millions— you have somebody in joey barton who has millions of followers, who is actively — has millions of followers, who is actively targeting people like me to generate _ actively targeting people like me to generate attention as we are in an attention— generate attention as we are in an attention economy, and we have a platform _ attention economy, and we have a platform that actively promotes people — platform that actively promotes people like joey barton's content through— people like joey barton's content through the algorithms and through the way— through the algorithms and through the way x _ through the algorithms and through the way x is now constructive. i don't _ the way x is now constructive. i don't accept it is a platform where people _ don't accept it is a platform where people can — don't accept it is a platform where people can express freedom of speech — people can express freedom of speech. i've been driven off the platform — speech. i've been driven off the platform and my freedom of speech is not protected, so certain people's freedom _ not protected, so certain people's freedom of speech, like joey barton, which _ freedom of speech, like joey barton, which is _ freedom of speech, like joey barton, which is hateful and attacks people on the _ which is hateful and attacks people on the basis of their gender and race, _ on the basis of their gender and race, is— on the basis of their gender and race, is being actively promoted and that is— race, is being actively promoted and that is where i think we really need to start _ that is where i think we really need to start thinking about what the social _ to start thinking about what the social media platform like x, how much _ social media platform like x, how much responsibility and negligence they have. do much responsibility and negligence the have. ,, ~ much responsibility and negligence the have. ,, . , they have. do you think actually an hinr they have. do you think actually anything is _ they have. do you think actually anything is going _ they have. do you think actually anything is going to _ they have. do you think actually anything is going to change? i they have. do you think actually| anything is going to change? i've had this conversation for years now about what the social media companies are accepting as their responsibility, and the counterargument is that if you are in the public eye you should expect to be criticised and i completely agree and in no way as racism, misogyny, any hate speech acceptable but do you think anything will change. but do you think anything will chance. ~ ., ~' ~' , but do you think anything will chance. ~ ., ~ ~' , ., change. working with the likes of marianna to _ change. working with the likes of marianna to identify _ change. working with the likes of marianna to identify who - change. working with the likes of marianna to identify who these i marianna to identify who these people — marianna to identify who these people are is really important because — people are is really important because that is where consequence comes— because that is where consequence comes in. — because that is where consequence comes in, so you mention criticism is part— comes in, so you mention criticism is part of— comes in, so you mention criticism is part of my— comes in, so you mention criticism is part of myjob, but there's always— is part of myjob, but there's always a _ is part of myjob, but there's always a line, and if you go beyond criticism _ always a line, and if you go beyond criticism into sexism and misogyny, we are _ criticism into sexism and misogyny, we are breaking the law and somebody like me _ we are breaking the law and somebody like me as _ we are breaking the law and somebody like me as a _ we are breaking the law and somebody like me as a black woman is protected, so you cannot freely discriminate. so to that extent the ability— discriminate. so to that extent the ability to— discriminate. so to that extent the ability to identify who people are is really— ability to identify who people are is really important to work with marianna — is really important to work with marianna because she identifies these _ marianna because she identifies these people so to really send a message — these people so to really send a message out that there are consequences for this behaviour. i think— consequences for this behaviour. i think there — consequences for this behaviour. i think there is a way of changing through— think there is a way of changing through consequence. i believe in consequence and i believe that that changes— consequence and i believe that that changes behaviour and i'm actively working _ changes behaviour and i'm actively working with many organisations to make _ working with many organisations to make sure — working with many organisations to make sure that becomes the norm. the police _ make sure that becomes the norm. the police have _ make sure that becomes the norm. the police have also been contacted about _ police have also been contacted about this behaviour and they have a responsibility to protect women under— responsibility to protect women under attack who are deliberately under— under attack who are deliberately under attack. things can only change through— under attack. things can only change through consequence and i think that is the _ through consequence and i think that is the way— through consequence and i think that is the way it— through consequence and i think that is the way it has happened through society, _ is the way it has happened through society, and that's what i'm committed to being part of, that change _ committed to being part of, that change through consequence. eni, thanks very _ change through consequence. eni, thanks very much, _ change through consequence. e1, thanks very much, former england footballer and broadcaster and marianna spring, our social media content. you can hear more on this on marianna's podcast 'why do you hate me?�* available now on bbc sounds and the bbc iplayer. live from london. this is bbc news. vladimir putin is to deliver his annual address to the nation, weeks before an upcoming election that's expected to secure him another six years in office. despite renewed hope for a ceasefire, fighting continues on the ground in gaza. the uk prime minister has warned britain is facing "mob rule" because of violent protests, but human rights groups have accused him of exaggerating. and the private company that made history by becoming the first to make a soft landing on the moon has given new details about problems with the mission. hello, i'm lauren taylor. the russian president vladimir putin is set to deliver his annual address to parliament and the nation. mr putin usually uses the state—of—the—nation address to send signals to audiences both at home and abroad. this time, the attention to the speech is especially high. not only because of the presidential elections that will likely grant him another six years in the kremlin, but also due to the ongoing waragainst ukraine, and the suspicious death of opposition leader alexei navalny. we arejust seeing we are just seeing some live pictures there on the scene as they wait for the