welcome to the programme. the un secretary general flew to moscow today for talks with vladimir putin not exactly face to face. no one gets closer than the end of the table. not even those travelling under the good offices of the united nations.mr gutterez said there were frank discussions and currently not much cause for optimism. the russian foreign minister described the current state of the peace talks as �*dismal�*. but the secretary general said he was hopeful that the un might play a greater role in getting people out of the beseiged areas, like mariupol, while getting food, medicine and other basic goods into ukraine. russia's invasion of ukraine is a violation of its territorial integrity and against the charter of the united nations. but it is my deep conviction that the sooner we end this war the better. in ramstein, germany, the united states was hosting a meeting of a0 defence minister who discussed how they would speed up the supply of heavy weapons to give ukraine fighting chance. the us defence secretary lloyd austin laid out clearly why the coming weeks will be so crucial. ukraine's military he said needs to be strengthened "for the long haul," and that needs to be "done right." the latest round of military aid will include antiaircraft weapons, self—propelled artillery, howitzers, tanks and armoured vehicles that will come from germany. how far we have come in such a short space of time. the inhbitions that were there in the first weeks of the war, have disappeared — the purpose is clear. we'll we�* ll start we'll start today from a position of moral clarity. russia is waging a war of choice to indulge the ambitions of one man. ukraine is fighting a war of necessity to defend its democracy, its sovereignty and its citizens. defend its democracy, its sovereignty and its citizens. and the uk defence minister james heappey went a little further. explaining that it was completely legitimate for ukraine to use the weapons nato is supplying to strike logistics lines and fuel supplies inside russia. in recent days there have been a series of explosions at russian oil depots. amid concerns nato is now creeping towards full confrontation with russia. mr heappey denied that was the case. i don't think that right now there is an imminent threat of escalation. i think what the west is doing to support its allies in ukraine is very well calibrated. the russians of course see it very differently. sergei lavrov accused nato forces of �*pouring oil on the fire�* and warned tensions between east and west are now worse than they were during the cuban missile crisis, at the height of the cold war. nato, in essence, is already engaged in a war with russia through a proxy and designing that proxy. war means war. war means war. lieutenant general ben hodges is the former commander of the us army in europe, he is now the pershing chair in strategic studies at the centre for european policy analysis welcome back to the programme. there have been some fairly bullish predictions given in recent days as to what ukraine can achieve here. we've got a more sober assessment today from the chair of the joint chiefs who said that time is not on the ukrainian side. what did he mean by that? the ukrainian side. what did he mean b that? ~ 4' the ukrainian side. what did he mean b that? ~ ~ ., ., by that? well, i think that what the aeneral is by that? well, i think that what the general is talking _ by that? well, i think that what the general is talking about _ by that? well, i think that what the general is talking about of - by that? well, i think that what the general is talking about of coursesl general is talking about of courses the russians have been reconstituting, trying to rebuild their forces from the pounding they took the last eight weeks. and so eventually they�* re took the last eight weeks. and so eventually they're going to be able to get back up on their feet. ukraine is trying to get in position to hit them before they can get back up to hit them before they can get back up feet. the problem is they are running out of ammunition. and so, as you know, war is a test of will but it is also a test of logistics. and can we get these new weapons and ammunition into the hands of the ukrainians before russia is able to get its act together and get back upon its feet? i’zre get its act together and get back upon its feet?— upon its feet? i've tried to paint the picture _ upon its feet? i've tried to paint the picture at — upon its feet? i've tried to paint the picture at the _ upon its feet? i've tried to paint the picture at the top _ upon its feet? i've tried to paint the picture at the top of - upon its feet? i've tried to paint the picture at the top of the - upon its feet? i've tried to paint| the picture at the top of the sort of split screen approach to the day. we had the secretary general of the united nations talking peace in moscow but really the defence ministers in germany preparing for the long haul. to have any concerns, now, that now that the shackles and nato are supplying all manner of to ukraine this effectively becomes a proxy war and we are walking more quickly now towards a full confrontation with russia? ida. quickly now towards a full confrontation with russia? no, not at all. i actually _ confrontation with russia? no, not at all. i actually think _ confrontation with russia? no, not at all. i actually think that - confrontation with russia? no, not at all. i actually think that russia l at all. i actually think that russia is the one that is in trouble. they are on their knees. they cannot sustain the ammunition consumption that they are doing. they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for people. i mean, it wasjust a few weeks ago that they were putting out a call for syrians to confide, tojoin the fight. out a call for syrians to confide, to join the fight. armenians, not helping them, kazakhstan is not helping them, kazakhstan is not helping them, kazakhstan is not helping them, even belarus is not really helping them. the kremlin has chosen not to mobilise their reserves. that tells me that they realise they are not going to be able to get anything else done beyond what they have already set their sights on in the donbas region. and meanwhile, ukraine is gaining in strength if what happened today and it can deliver what i anticipate it ukraine will be able to take advantage of the situation. there was a time when he was kind of the dean of diplomats in europe even though he represented britain and all that. he still had a sort of aura about him. now what a sad state. nobody in the world believes anything that he says because when he talks about somehow this is all the fault of nato, it is our fault, they can solve this tonight. they can say, ok, we're backing out. that is how quickly they can solve this. i said yesterday on the programme there had been almost a metamorphosis alignment and attitude certainly that we are getting from the white house and from the uk. i'm not sure whether the europeans are in the same position just yet. what do you put that down to? do think that comes from the intelligence and from what the generals and the planners and the pentagon are telling the white house? well, first of all, telling the white house? well, first of all. thought _ telling the white house? well, first of all, thought she _ telling the white house? well, first of all, thought she did _ telling the white house? well, first of all, thought she did a _ telling the white house? well, first of all, thought she did a very - telling the white house? well, first of all, thought she did a very good l of all, thought she did a very good job of framing this in the beginning when he talked about in a relatively short amount of time how dramatically the tone has changed. when secretary blinking went to kyiv yesterday that, in and of itself, though it was overdue, was powerful. they took the train, as your prime minister took the train. we are going to get a name and put our diplomats back in there and when secretary austin talked about were going to help ukraine when we are going to help ukraine when we are going to help ukraine when we are going to weaken russia so that they can no longer threaten their neighbours i think this is powerful. that is esau defence ministers gather today to talk about what does when mean, what can we do to make sure that ukraine wins because this is about more than ukraine. this is about democracy exactly as was said, versus autocracy. i respect the secretary general of the united nations for talking about how important it is to find a peaceful solution but where have they been? the united nations has been able. that as a criticism we will look at later in the programme. politically, there has been a dramatic shift in recent days. had president biden telling the russians what he was not going to do. now it is very very different. are you comfortable with this? i different. are you comfortable with this? ., ~ different. are you comfortable with this? . ~ ., this? i am. i think what you will hear is it was _ this? i am. i think what you will hear is it was time _ this? i am. i think what you will hear is it was time to _ this? i am. i think what you will hear is it was time to show - this? i am. i think what you willl hear is it was time to show some leadership. notjust react to what was happening but what are steps that our country is taking to be on the front lines and show leadership and you are seeing a difference in language. what is needed, how do we put it on the ground and gets on with information. that is important as this continues because preston biden need new voices from the field talking about what is happening and so they really do set the stage for what is going to be needed to truly be in a leadership position as russia continues to make different and new moves that are putting people in harms way.— and new moves that are putting people in harms way. boris johnson clearl has people in harms way. boris johnson clearly has been _ people in harms way. boris johnson clearly has been pushing _ people in harms way. boris johnson clearly has been pushing some - people in harms way. boris johnson clearly has been pushing some of l clearly has been pushing some of this. he's been the most strident of all perhaps in the early weeks of the conflict. russia want britain today that if it continues to provoke ukraine to strike targets in russia than there would be an immediate quote proportional response and that might include striking diplomats who made this it kyiv. that presumably takes off the table at the politicians are going to the capital to meet president zelensky because we see now that the russians are very closely at who is visiting and they are also targeting rail infrastructure on which some weaponry might be moved. obviously, in terms of the — weaponry might be moved. obviously, in terms of the war— weaponry might be moved. obviously, in terms of the war that _ weaponry might be moved. obviously, in terms of the war that russia - weaponry might be moved. obviously, in terms of the war that russia is - in terms of the war that russia is fighting that is what they would do to try to stop the ukrainians getting the weapons that they need to fight back to the russians but that shouldn't weaken the resolve and should weaken the west�*s resolve nor should the russian threats about potential escalation, we have to keep, always keep in mind that as the general said earlier about the hollow words of the foreign minister lover of that the russians were trying to present this parallel world that simply doesn't exist. any escalation in this war of the russians and the russian government. we are entitled to support ukraine. ukraine is being invaded against its will and that is what we must continue to do. russia, you know, obviously what permeates every discussion we have about this terrible war is that a nuclear armed power but we have to draw a line because if we simply say that any state which has nuclear weapons can threaten horrific escalation they can, they are free to do whatever they want so i think the worst response gets more impressive by the day. there's still a lot more we can do but it gets more impressive by the day and i think the resolve is strength and i think that is a good thing. but strength and i think that is a good thin. �* , ., strength and i think that is a good thin. �* _, strength and i think that is a good thin. �* ,., a, thing. but it is at risk of spreading- _ thing. but it is at risk of spreading. the - thing. but it is at risk of spreading. the united l thing. but it is at risk of - spreading. the united states as it is monitoring the situation in moldova after a number of explosions in the separatist region. the reports of explosions stoked fears that russia's ambitions stretch well beyond the donbas. the moldovan president has convened a meeting of the security council. a russian can military commander said one goal is to create a corridor through the sale. the latest attack was on two big radio masts in transnistria — in the pictures you can see the radio antennas before they were hit and after they were toppled. it is not clear who targeted the masts. the russians are blaming the ukrainians. here's what the moldovan president — maia sandu said earlier today we condemn every provocation and attempts to draw the public of mode of interaction that could damage the peace of our country. we are vigilant and we will take all the necessary measures to prevent escalation and strengthen the security of our estate and the protection of our citizens. we must remain calm. the russian foreign ministry said today it wants to avoid scenario in which moscow would have to intervene in moldova's region. the fear is that is exactly what they want to do. i would make strategic sense if you are a russian general looking at this? ihell strategic sense if you are a russian general looking at this?— general looking at this? well this is a classic— general looking at this? well this is a classic russian _ general looking at this? well this is a classic russian fairy - general looking at this? well this is a classic russian fairy tale - general looking at this? well this is a classic russian fairy tale to i is a classic russian fairy tale to create a to go do something. the president asked the russians a year ago to please leave the area. russia is no legitimate reason to still be there. they shouldn't be there so they have no legitimate interest to have to intervene as they say about again this is the fairy tale. now, look, there is at this point i would say there is about zero risk of russia launching a new attack to try and establish the so—called language that would run across the best of the black sea coast connecting back towards crimea. there are couple of problems. the russian navy was nothing to do the black sea coastline of ukraine right now after a ship was hit by the ukrainians very cleverly employing drones and a brand—new system sunk their ship and the whole world saw how unprepared the whole world saw how unprepared the russian navy is. which reminds me of the hms defender, my favourite ship, what it did just a few months ago. without the russian navy there to support and of course the russian land forces still have not managed to get past a certain point so there is no danger of them getting to odesa so there is nobody, no russian troops are going to go in through there. they would have to drop in paratroopers who would be immediately isolated so i don't see any legitimate threat there anytime soon. , , ., ., soon. does focus mind, though, of course, soon. does focus mind, though, of course. in — soon. does focus mind, though, of course, in countries _ soon. does focus mind, though, of course, in countries like _ soon. does focus mind, though, of course, in countries like finland i course, in countries like finland and sweden. in fact, sweden is making an assessment of the next few weeks without to join nato in finland said today that they would be joining at the same time if that was the case. we had a statement from the former envoy to ukraine who said there is no war going on in moldova at the moment so no reason why nato should not accept moldova as a member. you can see what is going on here. there are a number of countries are in a precarious situation he might think that now is the time tojoin situation he might think that now is the time to join the alliance. your work i am in helsinki this week as a senior mentorfor a work i am in helsinki this week as a senior mentor for a training work i am in helsinki this week as a senior mentorfor a training course and i was scheduled two years ago for finnish officers but it kept getting pulled because of covid so it is a great coincidence to be here right now. it is a great coincidence to be here riaht now. ., u, it is a great coincidence to be here riaht now. ., , , it is a great coincidence to be here riahtnow. ., , , , right now. you can be sure every thing that _ right now. you can be sure every thing that i _ right now. you can be sure every thing that i speak _ right now. you can be sure every thing that i speak to _ right now. you can be sure every thing that i speak to whether - thing that i speak to whether civilians are military, they understand why it is in their interest to become a part of the alliance and finland and sweden both would be net providers. the quality of the military is both of them have, the incredible globalisation system that finland has in particular. this would greatly strengthen nato's northern eastern flank and in the baltic region but, look, nations get to make their own choices. and if moldova, georgia, ukraine, countries want to join the alliance the principle of the open door should remain open. russia does not get to pick what other countries decide to do. it is not get to pick what other countries decide to tie-— not get to pick what other countries decide to de— decide to do. it is a great pleasure as ever to — decide to do. it is a great pleasure as ever to talk _ decide to do. it is a great pleasure as ever to talk to _ decide to do. it is a great pleasure as ever to talk to you _ decide to do. it is a great pleasure as ever to talk to you on _ decide to do. it is a great pleasure as ever to talk to you on the - as ever to talk to you on the programme. thank you for your time this evening. just on that issue, do you, there is not much that i believe listen to the russian foreign minister. there is a lot of lies that his beans but one thing he did say that we were played at the top of the programme that relation between east and west are as are as bad as they were if not worse than they were at the time of the cuban missile crisis. you can see now very clearly that we are in here for the long haul. this is starting to look like a repeat of the cold war. find like a repeat of the cold war. and --eole like a repeat of the cold war. and peeple are _ like a repeat of the cold war. and peeple are no _ like a repeat of the cold war. fific people are no longer surprised like a repeat of the cold war. fific people are no longer surprised by the disinformation, no longer surprised when you hear warning signs go out and i think what this conversation is showing is that yes we are in this for the long haul and yes we have seen some of these tactics before and people would be more vigilant, less trusting and frankly we are further away from even just agreeing on what the facts are right now and that is why those towers coming down, is at a tipping point into actually coming together to have facts together. is that going to be a step towards that? my narrative on this is either look at it as we are still further from even agreeing on what is truly happening and if we are not agreeing what is truly happening i'm not sure what our parties. we are so far away from figuring out how we're going to get to a peaceful process again. if it is bad as what we have seen in the past. is bad as what we have seen in the ast. ., , , , i, past. the general 'ust spelt out that player _ past. the general 'ust spelt out that prayer of _ past. the general 'ust spelt out that player of the — past. the generaljust spelt out that player of the security - that player of the security structure in the east of europe is changing and if it is changing does that that in's security has to change as well?— that that in's security has to change as well? that that in's security has to chante as well? , i, , i, , change as well? yes, it was. i was sa int change as well? yes, it was. i was saying that — change as well? yes, it was. i was saying that we _ change as well? yes, it was. i was saying that we are _ change as well? yes, it was. i was saying that we are entering - change as well? yes, it was. i was saying that we are entering a - change as well? yes, it was. i was saying that we are entering a new| saying that we are entering a new cold war with china in the days of donald trump and indeed the consensus america that america had to stand up to china and curtail this power in the pacific. it is quite clear that we are back, as it were, to a situation we had in cold war where russia is the main adversary to the us and we have two deal with it accordingly and we have to be resolved to do that and that is absolutely essential and it will be for the long haul. i hope that moldova doesjoin nato. i hope finland and swedenjoin nato as well. i think that would be essential and we shouldn't be bullied by the russian. we should believe that we have to hold back. we learned in the british press that our ministry of defence wanted to arm the ukrainians from sotho 2014 onwards i was prevented from doing so at the risk of provoking the russians. there is no point in appeasing the russians any more. qm. appeasing the russians any more. ok, let's discuss — appeasing the russians any more. ok, let's discuss a — appeasing the russians any more. ok, let's discuss a little further but the russians are seeing of the war. we are joined the russians are seeing of the war. we arejoined by the russians are seeing of the war. we are joined by francis from bbc monitoring. he follows russian state tv day—to—day. so tell us what they are making on the current moment that they are seeing from nato leaders particularly lloyd austin. 0ne leaders particularly lloyd austin. one of the narratives coming from russian tv throughout the en fete that this is a defend of operation in reaction to defensive operations from the west. the longer it goes on the more russian tv is telling viewers they should mobilise around their president and that they are really trying to defend the country. and in particular, in response to comments made from austin, one presented today said that finally the americans had begun to call a spade a spade and another presenter on a different show said that this meeting today in germany was effectively a declaration of war by a coalition of 40 against one, that being russia. the alleged victim of this. which is how they are continuing to describe this conflict. w , continuing to describe this conflict. , i, conflict. said is easier, do you think, for— conflict. said is easier, do you think, for the _ conflict. said is easier, do you think, for the russians - conflict. said is easier, do you think, for the russians to - conflict. said is easier, do you think, for the russians to sell| conflict. said is easier, do you i think, for the russians to sell to the russian public the standpoint of nato in ukraine? does it strengthen vladimir putin's position? weill. nato in ukraine? does it strengthen vladimir putin's position?— vladimir putin's position? well, i think the longer— vladimir putin's position? well, i think the longer this _ vladimir putin's position? well, i think the longer this conflict - vladimir putin's position? well, i | think the longer this conflict goes on, obviously, to start with they were describing it as a special military operation. it was a blitzkrieg that was meant to last a matter of days and one presenter even said on the eve of the weather over shad to do was raise its eyebrow and she ever be taken. and as this conflict drags on and on it now in its third month. russian tv is saying more and more that they are waging waragainst is saying more and more that they are waging war against nato. it was two weeks ago the first time i spotted a presenter said it was world war iii. and traditionally, typically, at least, russian tv has bombarded viewers all kinds of conspiracy theories really aimed at forcing people into a sense of apathy so that they don't really pay attention about what is going on but more and more seeing attempts to mobilise the population in this kind of besieged fortress. the mobilise the population in this kind of besieged fortress.— of besieged fortress. the russians would like to _ of besieged fortress. the russians would like to paint _ of besieged fortress. the russians would like to paint this _ of besieged fortress. the russians would like to paint this as - of besieged fortress. the russians would like to paint this as a - of besieged fortress. the russians would like to paint this as a war. would like to paint this as a war solely against nato but there were 40 defence ministers that today from indochina, from all manner of places around the world. clearly it is not the entire global community but increasingly, russia's feeling isolated. to the russian public get a feel for that?— a feel for that? well, state tv is the main medium _ a feel for that? well, state tv is the main medium of— a feel for that? well, state tv is the main medium of news - a feel for that? well, state tv is| the main medium of news around a feel for that? well, state tv is - the main medium of news around 70% of people get their information from it and the narrative is entirely dominated by the kremlin. there is no dissent in any of the programmes. it is dominated by these political panel shows that last for hours each day and since the war started, all entertainment programmes have been removed from the tv schedules and i think other russians, of course, can look for information elsewhere, this is the message that they get and, ultimately and polls suggest that ultimately, they are behind the so—called special operation. trier? so-called special operation. very interesting- _ so-called special operation. very interesting. thank _ so-called special operation. very interesting. thank you _ so—called special operation. very interesting. thank you very much indeed for bringing us up to speed with what the russians are seeing on their television. with what the russians are seeing on theirtelevision. under with what the russians are seeing on their television. under her much focus they putting on this on twitter in russia. what is the fate of twitter anyway, the current boss as he just never current plans are for the company was the takeover is complete. the tears they found a stroke at £34 billion deal to take over the social media platform in a news release that accompanied the announcement he called twitter that digital town square where matter is vital to the future of humanity are debated so are we comfortable that one of the biggest public forums for debate is now in the hands of the world's richest man? let me put the question to the former culture secretary. would you be happy that twitter is now in the hands ofjust one man? twitter is now in the hands of 'ust one man? ~ i, , , one man? well, it has been in the hands of a — one man? well, it has been in the hands of a small— one man? well, it has been in the hands of a small group _ one man? well, it has been in the hands of a small group of- hands of a small group of individuals and the sense of the board and this is the thing about platforms, they have enormous amount of influence. facebook, youtube only twitter, instagram and others. even though instagram is obviously owned ijy though instagram is obviously owned by facebook. we to have a very colourful culture secretary at the moment to is very forthright in her views and we are at the moment debating platform regulation and indeed the european union hasjust agreed platform regulation. the online safety bill here. the clash for uk viewers between them when he discovers in a year or two that twitter has to answer to a uk regulator or indeed the european commission will be very interesting to see considering particularly elon musk�*s history with regulators in the us. musk's history with regulators in the us. i_ , musk's history with regulators in the us. , the us. there may be some. there may be some in congress _ the us. there may be some. there may be some in congress who _ the us. there may be some. there may be some in congress who feel— the us. there may be some. there may be some in congress who feel much - be some in congress who feel much the same. i be some in congress who feel much the same. ~' �* be some in congress who feel much the same. ~ , i, �* i. be some in congress who feel much the same. ~ , i, �* i, i. the same. i think you're going to see this debate _ the same. i think you're going to see this debate continue. - the same. i think you're going to see this debate continue. i - the same. i think you're going to see this debate continue. i was l see this debate continue. i was there when he was first talking about it. he was incredibly persistent. the second day he said as he is still figuring it out. we did not know exactly whether they would be and he said he would lean in to free speech as he had but that there were still details and to welcome feedback so a lot of this is still unknown for america and you are seeing a lot of politicians weigh in but it will be revealed what we consistently see because this diverse harder than folks expect on the outside. the question is how well monetise _ expect on the outside. the question is how well monetise the _ expect on the outside. the question is how well monetise the tears. - is how well monetise the tears. would you pay for twitter? i'm not sure i would. we'll discuss that at a later date. good evening. it's felt pleasantly warm today with light winds and some strong sunshine. but in parts, we had a few drizzly showers, nothing significant rain—wise, so the dry theme has continued. in fact, still, parts of england and wales have had less than 50% of their average rainfall — only scotland having seen average this april. it follows on a dry march for the whole of the uk. and with high pressure with us for what remains of april, for most, it stays dry. it's just the far northwest of scotland, northern ireland where we may see some appreciable rain before the end of april. but some sunshine today we had across northern ireland, more than yesterday, and under the clear skies overnight, it's going to be chilly here as well. a touch of grass frost around, certainly, because any remaining showers will fizzle out, the cloud will melt away. the breeze keeps bringing some cloud onshore to eastern coasts and we could have a bit more cloud in the north and west, but for most, it will be another chilly night with a touch of grass frost around just about anywhere and, in the glens of scotland, more likely a touch of frost by morning and some mistiness, too, to clear away first thing. otherwise, i think quite bright again, plenty of dry weather, plenty of sunshine around, perhaps more in the northeast of scotland compared with today and the northeast of england, but onshore, still some of that cloud coming on. there could be a few showers for northern ireland in the northwest of scotland — a bit cooler here. temperatures generally held down anyway because it's chilly air coming in. we could have a bit more breeze on the south coast as well, but that might alleviate the high pollen levels. they're looking more moderate for the day tomorrow, but for tree pollen sufferers, still significant, i expect. some strong sunshine around when it does come out in the south as well, and that breeze in the south continuing notjust for the south of england, but for the channel islands as well into thursday. for most of us, though, under that area of high pressure, the weather's quite static. there's very little wind to move the cloud around, so it will tend to get trapped. early morning mistiness taking a while to clear away and lift the cloud, and then we'll have some rain, potentially showery in the north with a weak weather front on thursday, but again, it's the detail that will be difficult to pin down. i think for most, it's still a dry and bright day and feeling warm when you get the sunshine out. very similar story as we head into friday. by that stage, we're starting to see the rain approaching towards the west, a little bit of a change as we go into saturday. as ever, there's more on the website. hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. the us defence secretary says they will support ukraine in its battle with russia "for the long haul". but some possible short—term hope for people in mariupol — the un secretary general says president putin has agreed in principle to allow the un and the red cross to handle an evacuation. the cost of living and how to help — the uk government hold a cabinet meeting to discuss options as record inflation pushes up food and energy prices. tonight with the context, amanda renteria, former adviser to hillary clinton, and conservative peer ed vaizey. welcome back to the programme. let's return to our top story — the visit of antonio guterres to moscow. last week, more than 200 former senior un officials wrote to the secretary general, warning him that unless he intervenes personally in crisis — and quickly — the un could be doomed. well, that letter appears to have had the desired effect. later this week, mr gutteres will fly to kyiv for round two of the negotiations. but how effective can they be? jeffrey feltman, is a former under secretary general for political affairs at the un, and chief foreign policy adviser to antonio guterres. he was one of the 200 signatories of that letter that was posted last week. welcome to the programme. you encouraged him to go, did the visit to moscow create the splash you wanted it to? i to moscow create the splash you wanted it to?— to moscow create the splash you wanted it to? ~ �* , i, ii, wanted it to? i think it's a welcome initiative by the _ wanted it to? i think it's a welcome initiative by the secretary-general. j initiative by the secretary—general. the secretary—general— initiative by the secretary—general. the secretary—general represents. initiative by the secretary—general. . the secretary—general represents the rules of— the secretary—general represents the rules of the _ the secretary—general represents the rules of the un — the secretary—general represents the rules of the un system _ the secretary—general represents the rules of the un system that _ the secretary—general represents the rules of the un system that are - rules of the un system that are reflected — rules of the un system that are reflected in— rules of the un system that are reflected in the _ rules of the un system that are reflected in the charter. - rules of the un system that are reflected in the charter. so - rules of the un system that are i reflected in the charter. so while rules of the un system that are . reflected in the charter. so while i don't _ reflected in the charter. so while i don't expect — reflected in the charter. so while i don't expect to _ reflected in the charter. so while i don't expect to see _ reflected in the charter. so while i don't expect to see an _ reflected in the charter. so while i don't expect to see an immediatel don't expect to see an immediate cease-fire — don't expect to see an immediate cease-fire out— don't expect to see an immediate cease—fire out of— don't expect to see an immediate cease—fire out of this, _ don't expect to see an immediate cease—fire out of this, i— don't expect to see an immediate cease—fire out of this, i do - don't expect to see an immediatej cease—fire out of this, i do expect him to— cease—fire out of this, i do expect him to he — cease—fire out of this, i do expect him to be demonstrating - cease—fire out of this, i do expect him to be demonstrating his - him to be demonstrating his commitment _ him to be demonstrating his commitment to— him to be demonstrating his commitment to doing - him to be demonstrating his commitment to doing what. him to be demonstrating his i commitment to doing what he him to be demonstrating his - commitment to doing what he can to uphold _ commitment to doing what he can to uphold the _ commitment to doing what he can to uphold the charter— commitment to doing what he can to uphold the charter of— commitment to doing what he can to uphold the charter of the _ commitment to doing what he can to uphold the charter of the united - uphold the charter of the united nations — uphold the charter of the united nations the _ uphold the charter of the united nations. the un _ uphold the charter of the united nations. the un was— uphold the charter of the united nations. the un was founded . nations. the un was founded primarily— nations. the un was founded primarily to— nations. the un was founded primarily to prevent - nations. the un was founded primarily to prevent conflict. i nations. the un was founded l primarily to prevent conflict. if he's _ primarily to prevent conflict. if he's able — primarily to prevent conflict. if he's able to— primarily to prevent conflict. if he's able to facilitate - primarily to prevent conflict. if he's able to facilitate the - he's able to facilitate the evacuation _ he's able to facilitate the evacuation for _ he's able to facilitate the evacuation for mariupol. he's able to facilitate the| evacuation for mariupol — he's able to facilitate the - evacuation for mariupol — the he's able to facilitate the _ evacuation for mariupol — the bottom line is— evacuation for mariupol — the bottom line is russia — evacuation for mariupol — the bottom line is russia has _ evacuation for mariupol — the bottom line is russia has violated _ evacuation for mariupol — the bottom line is russia has violated the - evacuation for mariupol — the bottom line is russia has violated the un - line is russia has violated the un charter. — line is russia has violated the un charter. the — line is russia has violated the un charter, the articles about - charter, the articles about requiring _ charter, the articles about requiring member- charter, the articles about requiring member states. charter, the articles about. requiring member states to charter, the articles about - requiring member states to resolve their differences _ requiring member states to resolve their differences through _ requiring member states to resolve their differences through peaceful i their differences through peaceful means, _ their differences through peaceful means, not— their differences through peaceful means, not to _ their differences through peaceful means, not to threaten _ their differences through peaceful means, not to threaten or- their differences through peaceful means, not to threaten or use - their differences through peaceful i means, not to threaten or use force. and the _ means, not to threaten or use force. and the secretary—general _ means, not to threaten or use force. and the secretary—general needs - means, not to threaten or use force. and the secretary—general needs toi and the secretary—general needs to go to— and the secretary—general needs to go to moscow— and the secretary—general needs to go to moscow to _ and the secretary—general needs to go to moscow to make _ and the secretary—general needs to go to moscow to make those - and the secretary—general needs to| go to moscow to make those points, and the secretary—general needs to i go to moscow to make those points, i assume _ go to moscow to make those points, i assume behind — go to moscow to make those points, i assume behind closed _ go to moscow to make those points, i assume behind closed doors. - go to moscow to make those points, i assume behind closed doors. like - assume behind closed doors. like many others. _ assume behind closed doors. like many others. he _ assume behind closed doors. many others, he was reportedly sceptical of un intelligence at the start of the war, he didn't believe russia was planning a full—scale invasion. is there a risk that he invests a lot of political capital invests a lot of political capital in this, he takes vladimir putin at face value, and is left with egg on his face? , ~ face value, and is left with egg on his face? r' , face value, and is left with egg on his face? ,~ , i, his face? the risk is in doing nothing. _ his face? the risk is in doing nothing. he _ his face? the risk is in doing nothing, he needs— his face? the risk is in doing nothing, he needs to - his face? the risk is in doing nothing, he needs to be - his face? the risk is in doing i nothing, he needs to be caught trying — nothing, he needs to be caught trying and _ nothing, he needs to be caught trying. and that's _ nothing, he needs to be caught trying. and that's what - nothing, he needs to be caught trying. and that's what he's - nothing, he needs to be caught. trying. and that's what he's doing now _ trying. and that's what he's doing now again, — trying. and that's what he's doing now again, my— trying. and that's what he's doing now. again, my expectations - trying. and that's what he's doing now. again, my expectations arei trying. and that's what he's doing. now. again, my expectations are not high for— now. again, my expectations are not high for anything _ now. again, my expectations are not high for anything in _ now. again, my expectations are not high for anything in the _ now. again, my expectations are not high for anything in the near- now. again, my expectations are not high for anything in the near future i high for anything in the near future in terms _ high for anything in the near future in terms of— high for anything in the near future in terms of cease—fire. _ high for anything in the near future in terms of cease—fire. but - high for anything in the near future in terms of cease—fire. but again, i in terms of cease—fire. but again, the un's— in terms of cease—fire. but again, the un's purpose _ in terms of cease—fire. but again, the un's purpose is— in terms of cease—fire. but again, the un's purpose is peace - in terms of cease—fire. but again, the un's purpose is peace and - the un's purpose is peace and security, — the un's purpose is peace and security, and _ the un's purpose is peace and security, and that _ the un's purpose is peace and security, and that is _ the un's purpose is peace and security, and that is what - the un's purpose is peace and security, and that is what the i security, and that is what the secretary—general— security, and that is what the secretary—general is- security, and that is what the secretary—general is doing, i secretary—general is doing, highlighting _ secretary—general is doing, highlighting the _ secretary—general is doing, highlighting the obligationsj secretary—general is doing, - highlighting the obligations that member— highlighting the obligations that member states _ highlighting the obligations that member states undertake - highlighting the obligations that member states undertake whenj highlighting the obligations that - member states undertake when they si-n member states undertake when they sign onto— member states undertake when they sign onto the — member states undertake when they sign onto the charter. _ member states undertake when they sign onto the charter. the _ member states undertake when they sign onto the charter. the soviet- sign onto the charter. the soviet union _ sign onto the charter. the soviet union was — sign onto the charter. the soviet union was one _ sign onto the charter. the soviet union was one of— sign onto the charter. the soviet union was one of the _ sign onto the charter. the soviet union was one of the founders . sign onto the charter. the soviet| union was one of the founders of sign onto the charter. the soviet- union was one of the founders of the united _ union was one of the founders of the united nations _ union was one of the founders of the united nations. so _ union was one of the founders of the united nations. so i _ union was one of the founders of the united nations. so i think— union was one of the founders of the united nations. so i think the - united nations. so i think the message he _ united nations. so i think the message he will— united nations. so i think the message he will deliver- united nations. so i think the message he will deliver to - united nations. so i think the| message he will deliver to the president— message he will deliver to the president put— message he will deliver to the president put in— message he will deliver to the president put in behind - message he will deliver to the president put in behind closed message he will deliver to the - president put in behind closed doors reminding _ president put in behind closed doors reminding present— president put in behind closed doors reminding present putin— president put in behind closed doors reminding present putin of- president put in behind closed doors reminding present putin of the - reminding present putin of the conditions _ reminding present putin of the conditions he _ reminding present putin of the conditions he undertook. - reminding present putin of the conditions he undertook. to i reminding present putin of the conditions he undertook. to help save lives in _ conditions he undertook. to help save lives in mariupol, _ conditions he undertook. to help save lives in mariupol, how- conditions he undertook. to help| save lives in mariupol, how would that work? what would it curtail? i think the public remarks was about working _ think the public remarks was about working with — think the public remarks was about working with the _ think the public remarks was about working with the red _ think the public remarks was about working with the red cross, - think the public remarks was about working with the red cross, whichi working with the red cross, which has a _ working with the red cross, which has a long-term _ working with the red cross, which has a long—term presence - working with the red cross, which has a long—term presence on- working with the red cross, which has a long—term presence on the. has a long—term presence on the ground _ has a long—term presence on the ground in— has a long—term presence on the ground in conflict _ has a long—term presence on the ground in conflict areas. - has a long—term presence on the ground in conflict areas. the i has a long—term presence on the ground in conflict areas. the uni has a long—term presence on the i ground in conflict areas. the un has something _ ground in conflict areas. the un has something like — ground in conflict areas. the un has something like 2000 _ ground in conflict areas. the un has something like 2000 people - ground in conflict areas. the un has something like 2000 people in i something like 2000 people in ukraine — something like 2000 people in ukraine who _ something like 2000 people in ukraine who are _ something like 2000 people in ukraine who are working - something like 2000 people in ukraine who are working on i ukraine who are working on humanitarian _ ukraine who are working on humanitarian developing i ukraine who are working on i humanitarian developing issues before — humanitarian developing issues before this _ humanitarian developing issues before this war— humanitarian developing issues before this war broke _ humanitarian developing issues before this war broke out. i humanitarian developing issues before this war broke out. he i humanitarian developing issues i before this war broke out. he has a humanitarian — before this war broke out. he has a humanitarian coordinator, - before this war broke out. he has a humanitarian coordinator, martin . humanitarian coordinator, martin griffiths. — humanitarian coordinator, martin griffiths. who _ humanitarian coordinator, martin griffiths, who is _ humanitarian coordinator, martin griffiths, who is very— humanitarian coordinator, martin griffiths, who is very effective i humanitarian coordinator, martin griffiths, who is very effective in| griffiths, who is very effective in creating — griffiths, who is very effective in creating channels _ griffiths, who is very effective in creating channels to _ griffiths, who is very effective in creating channels to d _ griffiths, who is very effective in creating channels to d conflict i creating channels to d conflict militaries _ creating channels to d conflict militaries. it's _ creating channels to d conflict militaries. it's extremely i creating channels to d conflict i militaries. it's extremely important that humanitarian— militaries. it's extremely important that humanitarian assistance - militaries. it's extremely important that humanitarian assistance go i that humanitarian assistance go forward, — that humanitarian assistance go forward, but _ that humanitarian assistance go forward, but also _ that humanitarian assistance go forward, but also with - that humanitarian assistance go forward, but also with her- that humanitarian assistance go i forward, but also with her member and why— forward, but also with her member and why we — forward, but also with her member and why we need _ forward, but also with her member and why we need the _ forward, but also with her member and why we need the assistance, i and why we need the assistance, because — and why we need the assistance, because of— and why we need the assistance, because of an _ and why we need the assistance, because of an unprovoked - and why we need the assistance, because of an unprovoked act i and why we need the assistance, because of an unprovoked act of| because of an unprovoked act of aggression — because of an unprovoked act of aggression from _ because of an unprovoked act of aggression from one _ because of an unprovoked act of aggression from one of- because of an unprovoked act of aggression from one of the i because of an unprovoked act of i aggression from one of the members of the _ aggression from one of the members of the un _ aggression from one of the members ofthe un against— aggression from one of the members of the un against other— aggression from one of the members of the un against other members i aggression from one of the members of the un against other members ofl of the un against other members of the un _ of the un against other members of the un. i. of the un against other members of the un. i, i, i, , , i,, the un. you have to get his people out of the country _ the un. you have to get his people out of the country and _ the un. you have to get his people out of the country and the - the un. you have to get his people out of the country and the estonian prime minister said today that what the international community needs to do is ensure there's a court or in the black sea to get commercial vessels in and humanitarian vessels. is that something the un could oversee, setting up a humanitarian corridor through the black sea? absolutely. the un has led... using cross-border— absolutely. the un has led... using cross—border delivery— absolutely. the un has led... using cross—border delivery with _ absolutely. the un has led... using cross—border delivery with the - cross—border delivery with the security — cross—border delivery with the security council _ cross—border delivery with the security council blessings i cross—border delivery with the security council blessings in i cross—border delivery with the i security council blessings in syria. the un _ security council blessings in syria. the un has— security council blessings in syria. the un has struggled _ security council blessings in syria. the un has struggled but- security council blessings in syria. i the un has struggled but managed to deliver— the un has struggled but managed to deliver some — the un has struggled but managed to deliver some humanitarian _ the un has struggled but managed to deliver some humanitarian assistance | deliver some humanitarian assistance in northern— deliver some humanitarian assistance in northern ethiopia _ deliver some humanitarian assistance in northern ethiopia during _ deliver some humanitarian assistance in northern ethiopia during some i deliver some humanitarian assistance in northern ethiopia during some of. in northern ethiopia during some of the terrible — in northern ethiopia during some of the terrible aspects _ in northern ethiopia during some of the terrible aspects of _ in northern ethiopia during some of the terrible aspects of that - in northern ethiopia during some of the terrible aspects of that war. - the terrible aspects of that war. the un — the terrible aspects of that war. the un has— the terrible aspects of that war. the un has the _ the terrible aspects of that war. the un has the facilities, - the un has the facilities, experiehce. _ the un has the facilities, experience, and - the un has the facilities, . experience, and authorities the un has the facilities, - experience, and authorities to do so, but _ experience, and authorities to do so, but you — experience, and authorities to do so, but you also _ experience, and authorities to do so, but you also have _ experience, and authorities to do so, but you also have to - experience, and authorities to do so, but you also have to have - experience, and authorities to doi so, but you also have to have the willingness — so, but you also have to have the willingness of— so, but you also have to have the willingness of the _ so, but you also have to have the willingness of the parties, - so, but you also have to have the willingness of the parties, and i so, but you also have to have the willingness of the parties, and in| willingness of the parties, and in this case — willingness of the parties, and in this case the _ willingness of the parties, and in this case the russian _ willingness of the parties, and in| this case the russian federation, and making — this case the russian federation, and making sure _ this case the russian federation, and making sure that— this case the russian federation, i and making sure that humanitarian commitments— and making sure that humanitarian commitments are _ and making sure that humanitarian commitments are fulfilled. - and making sure that humanitarian commitments are fulfilled. fire - and making sure that humanitarian commitments are fulfilled. are you more comfortable _ commitments are fulfilled. are you more comfortable with _ commitments are fulfilled. are you more comfortable with the - commitments are fulfilled. are you more comfortable with the sector. more comfortable with the sector general going to moscow and meeting face—to—face with resident food and then you are emmanuel macron going, add? i then you are emmanuel macron going, add? ~ . . then you are emmanuel macron going, add? ~ ., ., ., add? i thinki am. part of me thought. _ add? i thinki am. part of me thought, why on _ add? i thinki am. part of me thought, why on earth - add? i thinki am. part of me thought, why on earth would | add? i think i am. part of me - thought, why on earth would anyone have any— thought, why on earth would anyone have any conversation with president putin? _ have any conversation with president putin? we _ have any conversation with president putin? we know we are not getting anywhere _ putin? we know we are not getting anywhere with him. actually, particularly given the first part of this programme with our colleagues talk about— this programme with our colleagues talk about how badly the russian military— talk about how badly the russian military has suffered during this war, _ military has suffered during this war. one — military has suffered during this war, one has to think of some kind of an— war, one has to think of some kind ofan endgame. war, one has to think of some kind of an endgame. we do talk about russia _ of an endgame. we do talk about russia climbing down and trying to save face — russia climbing down and trying to save face. and frankly, if there will be any— save face. and frankly, if there will be any way out of this conflict at all. _ will be any way out of this conflict at all. it— will be any way out of this conflict at all, it would probably be a un overseen— at all, it would probably be a un overseen peace settlement. so i think— overseen peace settlement. so i think having antonio guterres go there _ think having antonio guterres go there was— think having antonio guterres go there was on reflection the right thing _ there was on reflection the right thing to— there was on reflection the right thing to do, and having a diameter denrocrat— thing to do, and having a diameter democrat dialogue with the un secretary—general gives russia some way of— secretary—general gives russia some way of climbing out of this conflict _ way of climbing out of this conflict. pessimist though i am, i think— conflict. pessimist though i am, i think that — conflict. pessimist though i am, i think that is a good potential solutions. think that is a good potential solutions— think that is a good potential solutions. �* , , ,., solutions. there's been some stin . in . solutions. there's been some stinging criticism _ solutions. there's been some stinging criticism of— stinging criticism of the secretary—general within and without the un. does the sort of role that he's now advocating as setting up this humanitarian corridor, whether that's inside the country or through the sea, does that make sense to you? and is that doable without the support of us navy? you you? and is that doable without the support of us navy?— you? and is that doable without the support of us navy? you have to do something- — support of us navy? you have to do something- he _ support of us navy? you have to do something. he has— support of us navy? you have to do something. he has to _ support of us navy? you have to do something. he has to not _ support of us navy? you have to do something. he has to not only - support of us navy? you have to do something. he has to not only be i something. he has to not only be seen as trying, but actually putting the steps in place to do that. there's no doubt that we need these court orders, and anyone that can be engaged in moving that ball forward, we need them at the table now, even if it takes a while, even if he gets criticism for it, this is the un's role. and as we move forward, we need them as part of the partnership here even though it might look dire or impossible now. there's only one way to start doing that kind of thing to help people out, bringing the red cross him, and you need the un at the table. i don't know how far we are from that, but i certainly know this as those first step in getting there. in certainly know this as those first step in getting there.— certainly know this as those first step in getting there. in terms of his movements, _ step in getting there. in terms of his movements, you _ step in getting there. in terms of his movements, you would - step in getting there. in terms of| his movements, you would expect step in getting there. in terms of- his movements, you would expect he'd have an easier role in kyiv but that might not be the case because president zelensky has been very critical that he went to moscow first and he's been very clear that the sector general does not negotiate on behalf of the ukraine. is there a danger that ukraine feels it's being dragged to the table? i it's being dragged to the table? i think we all have empathy for the position— think we all have empathy for the position ukrainians _ think we all have empathy for the position ukrainians find _ think we all have empathy for the l position ukrainians find themselves in. position ukrainians find themselves in~ but— position ukrainians find themselves in~ but even— position ukrainians find themselves in. but even when— position ukrainians find themselves in. but even when member- position ukrainians find themselves in. but even when member states. position ukrainians find themselves . in. but even when member states are not abiding _ in. but even when member states are not abiding by— in. but even when member states are not abiding by their— in. but even when member states are not abiding by their obligations - in. but even when member states are not abiding by their obligations — - not abiding by their obligations — especially— not abiding by their obligations — especially when _ not abiding by their obligations — especially when member- not abiding by their obligations — especially when member states i not abiding by their obligations — i especially when member states are violating _ especially when member states are violating the — especially when member states are violating the charter, _ especially when member states are violating the charter, that's- especially when member states are violating the charter, that's when . violating the charter, that's when the secretary—general— violating the charter, that's when the secretary—general has - violating the charter, that's when the secretary—general has to - violating the charter, that's when i the secretary—general has to stand for the _ the secretary—general has to stand for the charter. _ the secretary—general has to stand for the charter. that's _ the secretary—general has to stand for the charter. that's when - the secretary—general has to stand for the charter. that's when the . the secretary—general has to stand. for the charter. that's when the 200 plus signatories _ for the charter. that's when the 200 plus signatories of— for the charter. that's when the 200 plus signatories of that _ for the charter. that's when the 200 plus signatories of that letter - for the charter. that's when the 200 plus signatories of that letter last i plus signatories of that letter last week— plus signatories of that letter last week that — plus signatories of that letter last week that you _ plus signatories of that letter last week that you mentioned - plus signatories of that letter last| week that you mentioned wanted. plus signatories of that letter last - week that you mentioned wanted. they wanted _ week that you mentioned wanted. they wanted the _ week that you mentioned wanted. they wanted the secretary—general- week that you mentioned wanted. they wanted the secretary—general to - week that you mentioned wanted. they wanted the secretary—general to play l wanted the secretary—general to play the role _ wanted the secretary—general to play the role that's— wanted the secretary—general to play the role that's embodied _ wanted the secretary—general to play the role that's embodied in _ wanted the secretary—general to play the role that's embodied in the - the role that's embodied in the principles _ the role that's embodied in the principles. when _ the role that's embodied in the principles. when he's - the role that's embodied in the principles. when he's in - the role that's embodied in the principles. when he's in kyiv, i the role that's embodied in the . principles. when he's in kyiv, he'll io principles. when he's in kyiv, he'll go with— principles. when he's in kyiv, he'll go with additional— principles. when he's in kyiv, he'll go with additional thoughts - principles. when he's in kyiv, he'll go with additional thoughts he - principles. when he's in kyiv, he'll go with additional thoughts he hasi go with additional thoughts he has because _ go with additional thoughts he has because of— go with additional thoughts he has because of the _ go with additional thoughts he has because of the meeting _ go with additional thoughts he has because of the meeting with - go with additional thoughts he has| because of the meeting with putin. but the _ because of the meeting with putin. but the real— because of the meeting with putin. but the real purpose _ because of the meeting with putin. but the real purpose of— because of the meeting with putin. but the real purpose of this - because of the meeting with putin. but the real purpose of this trip - because of the meeting with putin. but the real purpose of this trip isi but the real purpose of this trip is to show— but the real purpose of this trip is to show that — but the real purpose of this trip is to show that the _ but the real purpose of this trip is to show that the united _ but the real purpose of this trip is to show that the united nations . to show that the united nations still stands _ to show that the united nations still stands for— to show that the united nations still stands for the _ to show that the united nations still stands for the principles . to show that the united nations. still stands for the principles that we solve — still stands for the principles that we solve international— still stands for the principles that we solve international disputes . we solve international disputes through— we solve international disputes through peaceful— we solve international disputes through peaceful means, - we solve international disputes through peaceful means, not. we solve international disputes - through peaceful means, not military nreans _ through peaceful means, not military nreans people — through peaceful means, not military means. people question— through peaceful means, not military means. people question the - through peaceful means, not militaryi means. people question the relevance and the _ means. people question the relevance and the united — means. people question the relevance and the united nations, _ means. people question the relevance and the united nations, whether- means. people question the relevance and the united nations, whether it's. and the united nations, whether it's fit for— and the united nations, whether it's fit for purpose — and the united nations, whether it's fit for purpose in _ and the united nations, whether it's fit for purpose in today's _ and the united nations, whether it's fit for purpose in today's world. - fit for purpose in today's world. the absence _ fit for purpose in today's world. the absence of— fit for purpose in today's world. the absence of the _ fit for purpose in today's world. the absence of the un - fit for purpose in today's world. the absence of the un and - fit for purpose in today's world. the absence of the un and the | the absence of the un and the secretary — the absence of the un and the secretary general— the absence of the un and the secretary general would've - the absence of the un and the - secretary general would've answered that question — secretary general would've answered that question negatively. _ secretary general would've answered that question negatively. i— secretary general would've answered that question negatively. i think- that question negatively. i think the secretary—general- that question negatively. i think the secretary—general starts - that question negatively. i think the secretary—general starts to | the secretary—general starts to build _ the secretary—general starts to build a — the secretary—general starts to build a different— the secretary—general starts to build a different momentum i the secretary—general starts to i build a different momentum and narrative — build a different momentum and narrative that— build a different momentum and narrative that benefits _ build a different momentum and narrative that benefits ukraine, i narrative that benefits ukraine, which _ narrative that benefits ukraine, which is — narrative that benefits ukraine, which is a — narrative that benefits ukraine, which is a member— narrative that benefits ukraine, which is a member state - narrative that benefits ukraine, which is a member state of- narrative that benefits ukraine, which is a member state of the| narrative that benefits ukraine, i which is a member state of the un attacked _ which is a member state of the un attacked by— which is a member state of the un attacked by another— which is a member state of the un attacked by another member- which is a member state of the un attacked by another member of. which is a member state of the un| attacked by another member of the which is a member state of the un - attacked by another member of the un summit vou _ attacked by another member of the un summit you wonder— attacked by another member of the un summit you wonder who _ attacked by another member of the un summit you wonder who else - attacked by another member of the un summit you wonder who else would . summit you wonder who else would fill that— summit you wonder who else would fill that role, — summit you wonder who else would fill that role, a _ summit you wonder who else would fill that role, a pivotal— summit you wonder who else would fill that role, a pivotal a _ summit you wonder who else would fill that role, a pivotal a few- fill that role, a pivotal a few weeks — fill that role, a pivotal a few weeks for— fill that role, a pivotal a few weeks for the _ fill that role, a pivotal a few weeks for the un _ fill that role, a pivotal a few weeks for the un no- fill that role, a pivotal a few weeks for the un no doubt. | fill that role, a pivotal a few- weeks for the un no doubt. good to have you _ weeks for the un no doubt. good to have you on — weeks for the un no doubt. good to have you on the _ weeks for the un no doubt. good to have you on the programme. - weeks for the un no doubt. good to have you on the programme. one . have you on the programme. one breakin: have you on the programme. one breaking line _ have you on the programme. one breaking line of _ have you on the programme. breaking line of whose we are have you on the programme.“ breaking line of whose we are seeing at the moment is gas prom said it will stop supplying gas to poland and bulgaria tomorrow morning. both countries have refused to pay and rules, as required by russian law. ed, do you have a thought on that? cutting off gas supplies to two big countries in eastern europe will send alarm bells ringing. it countries in eastern europe will send alarm bells ringing. it will, and this is _ send alarm bells ringing. it will, and this is a _ send alarm bells ringing. it will, and this is a very _ send alarm bells ringing. it will, and this is a very odd _ send alarm bells ringing. it will, and this is a very odd period - send alarm bells ringing. it will, and this is a very odd period in l send alarm bells ringing. it will, i and this is a very odd period in the conflict _ and this is a very odd period in the conflict. i was thinking as we've been _ conflict. i was thinking as we've been discussing, we've been inured to the _ been discussing, we've been inured to the extraordinary violence the russians— to the extraordinary violence the russians have perpetrated. and to a certain _ russians have perpetrated. and to a certain extent, we've been potentially shifting away. the energy— potentially shifting away. the energy issue has sat along this alongside the nuclear weapons issue. at what— alongside the nuclear weapons issue. at what point does western europe wean— at what point does western europe wean itself off russian gas, or when russia _ wean itself off russian gas, or when russia weaponize it's gas? and tonight— russia weaponize it's gas? and tonight it — russia weaponize it's gas? and tonight it sounds like that's happening, and we will see what impact _ happening, and we will see what impact that has because one of the things— impact that has because one of the things that's kept germans from doing _ things that's kept germans from doing more that they could do is this analysis they've done of the 400.000 — this analysis they've done of the 400,000 jobs they could lose if they can't access — 400,000 jobs they could lose if they can't access russian energy supplies and the _ can't access russian energy supplies and the massive impact on their economv~ — and the massive impact on their economy. it looks like the russians to a certain — economy. it looks like the russians to a certain extent are now bringing about— to a certain extent are now bringing about this _ to a certain extent are now bringing about this reality and we will see how the allies can react. one about this reality and we will see how the allies can react.- how the allies can react. one to watch, how the allies can react. one to watch. and _ how the allies can react. one to watch. and it— how the allies can react. one to watch, and it will— how the allies can react. one to watch, and it will affect - how the allies can react. one to watch, and it will affect the - how the allies can react. one to| watch, and it will affect the cost of living, which will come to later in the programme. lemme bring you up to speed with some of the other news from ukraine today. the head of the un atomic watchdog said russia's temporary takeover of the chernobyl site was "very, very dangerous" and had raised radiation levels but they have now returned to normal. russian troops took over the site on the first day of russia's invasion of ukraine, taking ukrainian soldiers prisoner and detaining civilian staff. russia have agreed "in principle" to give the un and the international red cross some role in the evacuation of civilians from the azovstal plant in mariupol. it's the only part of the beseiged city which ukrainian forcers now hold. a statue of two soviet workers in central kyiv, symbolising ukrainian and russian friendship, has been demolished. the eight—metre—high bronze figures were cut up with angle grinders. kyiv city council now plans to build a new sculpture at the site to celebrate ukraine's freedom. in the united states, a public health order that goes by the rather hum—drum name of title 42 has become the political hot—potato of the moment. a federaljudge says he'll block the biden administration's plans to scrap it next month. the cdc had introduced title 42 at the start of the pandemic to keep migrants out of the us on health grounds. republicans — and even some democrats — have warned it will result in a surge of migrants at the border. let's bring in the bbc�*s anthony zurcher to walk us through this. i would think that the federaljudge has saved some democrats, they might be breathing a little ease here today because there was this concern it would overshadow their campaigns ahead of the midterms. there it would overshadow their campaigns ahead of the midterms.— ahead of the midterms. there was a concern, ahead of the midterms. there was a concern. and _ ahead of the midterms. there was a concern, and the _ ahead of the midterms. there was a concern, and the administration - concern, and the administration itself— concern, and the administration itself has — concern, and the administration itself has been _ concern, and the administration itself has been predicted - concern, and the administration itself has been predicted this. concern, and the administration - itself has been predicted this would lead to— itself has been predicted this would lead to a _ itself has been predicted this would lead to a surge _ itself has been predicted this would lead to a surge of— itself has been predicted this would lead to a surge of migrants- itself has been predicted this would lead to a surge of migrants coming| lead to a surge of migrants coming to the _ lead to a surge of migrants coming to the us—mexico _ lead to a surge of migrants coming to the us—mexico border, - lead to a surge of migrants coming to the us—mexico border, and - lead to a surge of migrants coming to the us—mexico border, and thati to the us—mexico border, and that could _ to the us—mexico border, and that could be _ to the us—mexico border, and that could be politically— to the us—mexico border, and that could be politically dangerous - to the us—mexico border, and that could be politically dangerous for. could be politically dangerous for democrats — could be politically dangerous for democrats. certainly— could be politically dangerous for. democrats. certainly rank—and—file democrats — democrats. certainly rank—and—file democrats in — democrats. certainly rank—and—file democrats in congress _ democrats. certainly rank—and—file democrats in congress are - democrats. certainly rank—and—file i democrats in congress are expressing unease _ democrats in congress are expressing unease with _ democrats in congress are expressing unease with the — democrats in congress are expressing unease with the administration's - unease with the administration's decision— unease with the administration's decision to — unease with the administration's decision to rescind _ unease with the administration's decision to rescind this - unease with the administration's decision to rescind this order. i unease with the administration's. decision to rescind this order. the administration _ decision to rescind this order. the administration was _ decision to rescind this order. the administration was defending - decision to rescind this order. the | administration was defending their decision— administration was defending their decision saving _ administration was defending their decision saying that _ administration was defending their decision saying that this _ administration was defending their decision saying that this wasn't - administration was defending their decision saying that this wasn't an| decision saying that this wasn't an immigration — decision saying that this wasn't an immigration issue, _ decision saying that this wasn't an immigration issue, but— decision saying that this wasn't an immigration issue, but of- decision saying that this wasn't an immigration issue, but of public. immigration issue, but of public health— immigration issue, but of public health and — immigration issue, but of public health and it _ immigration issue, but of public health and it was _ immigration issue, but of public health and it was a _ immigration issue, but of public health and it was a public - immigration issue, but of public| health and it was a public health law at— health and it was a public health law at play— health and it was a public health law at play here _ health and it was a public health law at play here. so _ health and it was a public health law at play here. so when - health and it was a public health law at play here. so when the i health and it was a public health i law at play here. so when the cdc said that — law at play here. so when the cdc said that the — law at play here. so when the cdc said that the coronavirus - law at play here. so when the cdci said that the coronavirus pandemic was receding, _ said that the coronavirus pandemic was receding, it— said that the coronavirus pandemic was receding, it was _ said that the coronavirus pandemic was receding, it was only- said that the coronavirus pandemic was receding, it was only natural. said that the coronavirus pandemic| was receding, it was only natural to rescind _ was receding, it was only natural to rescind this — was receding, it was only natural to rescind this order— was receding, it was only natural to rescind this order and _ was receding, it was only natural to rescind this order and go— was receding, it was only natural to rescind this order and go back- was receding, it was only natural to rescind this order and go back to. rescind this order and go back to the way— rescind this order and go back to the way things _ rescind this order and go back to the way things were _ rescind this order and go back to the way things were with - rescind this order and go back to- the way things were with immigration before _ the way things were with immigration before the _ the way things were with immigration before the pandemic. _ the way things were with immigration before the pandemic.— the way things were with immigration before the pandemic. amanda, has the biden administration _ before the pandemic. amanda, has the biden administration bench _ before the pandemic. amanda, has the biden administration bench saved - before the pandemic. amanda, has the biden administration bench saved by i biden administration bench saved by a federaljudge? i biden administration bench saved by a federaljudge?_ a federal 'udge? i think we will continue a federaljudge? i think we will continue to _ a federaljudge? i think we will continue to be _ a federaljudge? i think we will continue to be talking - a federaljudge? i think we will continue to be talking about i continue to be talking about immigration, whether that's because you have immigrant groups who have been leaning into this conversation, wanting some answers and to make sure that our border situation is better than it was when biden came in, but you also have it as a political tool and will continue to be. even if it's not the headlines, it is a political tool for midterms regardless of what's really happening or what one judge says. i don't think this conversation is over, we will continue to see it. in in the backdrop is also the difference between the about ukraine refugees and south american refugees. all this in the backdrop of what will be a very intense midterm cycle. i don't see this going away, this might be a little bit of ease but we will continue to be talking about immigration, and we have ever since trent came down the escalator. , , .. , ~ , escalator. the republicans will keep it so. the escalator. the republicans will keep it so- they put _ escalator. the republicans will keep it so- they put a _ escalator. the republicans will keep it so. they put a lot _ escalator. the republicans will keep it so. they put a lot of _ escalator. the republicans will keep it so. they put a lot of pressure - escalator. the republicans will keep it so. they put a lot of pressure on | it so. they put a lot of pressure on the dhs secretary. they've written an open letter questioning his suitability for office, accusing him of dismantling the security of the southern border in a pandemic. and here's what the minority leader kevin mccarthy had to say yesterday in texas. this is his moment in time to do his 'ob. this is his moment in time to do his job but _ this is his moment in time to do his job but any— this is his moment in time to do his job but anvtime, _ this is his moment in time to do his job. but any time, if _ this is his moment in time to do his job. but any time, if someone - this is his moment in time to do his job. but any time, if someone is - job. but any time, if someone is derelict — job. but any time, if someone is derelict in their— job. but any time, if someone is derelict in theirjob, _ job. but any time, if someone is derelict in theirjob, there's - derelict in theirjob, there's always— derelict in theirjob, there's always the _ derelict in theirjob, there's always the option _ derelict in theirjob, there's always the option of - derelict in theirjob, there's - always the option of impeaching somebodv _ always the option of impeaching somebod . . always the option of impeaching somebody-— always the option of impeaching somebod . , ., , .,. always the option of impeaching somebod . , ., , .. ., somebody. president for impeaching a cabinet secretary? _ somebody. president for impeaching a cabinet secretary? a _ somebody. president for impeaching a cabinet secretary? a cabinet _ cabinet secretary? a cabinet secretary — cabinet secretary? a cabinet secretary has _ cabinet secretary? a cabinet secretary has only _ cabinet secretary? a cabinet secretary has only been - cabinet secretary? a cabinet - secretary has only been impeached once in— secretary has only been impeached once in american— secretary has only been impeached once in american history, - secretary has only been impeached once in american history, and - secretary has only been impeached once in american history, and that| once in american history, and that was for— once in american history, and that was for misconduct _ once in american history, and that was for misconduct in _ once in american history, and that was for misconduct in office, - once in american history, and that was for misconduct in office, and i was for misconduct in office, and puzzling — was for misconduct in office, and puzzling funds, _ was for misconduct in office, and puzzling funds, i— was for misconduct in office, and puzzling funds, i believe, - was for misconduct in office, and puzzling funds, i believe, back. was for misconduct in office, and puzzling funds, i believe, back in the 19th — puzzling funds, i believe, back in the 19th century. _ puzzling funds, i believe, back in the 19th century. —— _ puzzling funds, i believe, back in the 19th century. —— embezzlingl the 19th century. —— embezzling funds _ the 19th century. —— embezzling funds this— the 19th century. —— embezzling funds. this is— the 19th century. —— embezzling funds. this is a _ the 19th century. —— embezzling funds. this is a policy— the 19th century. —— embezzling funds. this is a policy dispute . funds. this is a policy dispute republicans _ funds. this is a policy dispute republicans are _ funds. this is a policy dispute republicans are having - funds. this is a policy dispute republicans are having with l funds. this is a policy dispute - republicans are having with biden, and what _ republicans are having with biden, and what they're _ republicans are having with biden, and what they're doing _ republicans are having with biden, and what they're doing is _ republicans are having with biden, and what they're doing is saying. and what they're doing is saying there _ and what they're doing is saying there in— and what they're doing is saying there in the _ and what they're doing is saying there in the stomach _ and what they're doing is saying there in the stomach or- there in the stomach or misinterpreting - there in the stomach or misinterpreting federal| there in the stomach or- misinterpreting federal law and causing — misinterpreting federal law and causing crisis— misinterpreting federal law and causing crisis at _ misinterpreting federal law and causing crisis at the _ misinterpreting federal law and causing crisis at the border- misinterpreting federal law and - causing crisis at the border because of~~~ _ causing crisis at the border because of~~~ even— causing crisis at the border because of~~~ even though— causing crisis at the border because of... even though you _ causing crisis at the border because of... even though you listen - causing crisis at the border because of... even though you listen to - of... even though you listen to kevin — of... even though you listen to kevin mccarthy— of... even though you listen to kevin mccarthy frame - of... even though you listen to kevin mccarthy frame it - of... even though you listen to kevin mccarthy frame it that. of... even though you listen to i kevin mccarthy frame it that way. but this— kevin mccarthy frame it that way. but this could _ kevin mccarthy frame it that way. but this could be _ kevin mccarthy frame it that way. but this could be a _ kevin mccarthy frame it that way. but this could be a very— kevin mccarthy frame it that way. but this could be a very differenti but this could be a very different use of— but this could be a very different use of the — but this could be a very different use of the impeachment - but this could be a very different| use of the impeachment powers, weaponize — use of the impeachment powers, weaponize he _ use of the impeachment powers, weaponize he essentially- use of the impeachment powers, weaponize he essentially in - use of the impeachment powers, weaponize he essentially in a - use of the impeachment powers, . weaponize he essentially in a policy dispute. _ weaponize he essentially in a policy dispute. unlike _ weaponize he essentially in a policy dispute, unlike what _ weaponize he essentially in a policy dispute, unlike what we _ weaponize he essentially in a policy dispute, unlike what we saw - weaponize he essentially in a policy dispute, unlike what we saw with l dispute, unlike what we saw with donald _ dispute, unlike what we saw with donald trump, _ dispute, unlike what we saw with donald trump, the _ dispute, unlike what we saw with donald trump, the two _ dispute, unlike what we saw with donald trump, the two times - dispute, unlike what we saw with donald trump, the two times he| dispute, unlike what we saw with - donald trump, the two times he was impeached, or— donald trump, the two times he was impeached, or bill— donald trump, the two times he was impeached, or bill clinton _ donald trump, the two times he was impeached, or bill clinton when - donald trump, the two times he was impeached, or bill clinton when he l impeached, or bill clinton when he was impeached, or— impeached, or bill clinton when he was impeached, or many— impeached, or bill clinton when he was impeached, or many other- impeached, or bill clinton when he i was impeached, or many other cases. meanwhile _ was impeached, or many other cases. meanwhile the — was impeached, or many other cases. meanwhile the florida _ was impeached, or many other cases. meanwhile the florida governor- was impeached, or many other cases. meanwhile the florida governor has . meanwhile the florida governor has given his approvalfor a new police force in florida, an election police force in florida, an election police force which follows a pattern of new bills and laws that we see brought in and other republican states. what sort of power as will the election police force have?— sort of power as will the election police force have? well, it'll have a buduet police force have? well, it'll have a budget of— police force have? well, it'll have a budget of $3.7 _ police force have? well, it'll have a budget of $3.7 million - police force have? well, it'll have a budget of $3.7 million in - police force have? well, it'll have i a budget of $3.7 million in employee about— a budget of $3.7 million in employee about 15_ a budget of $3.7 million in employee about 15 agents — a budget of $3.7 million in employee about 15 agents who _ a budget of $3.7 million in employee about 15 agents who the _ a budget of $3.7 million in employee about 15 agents who the florida - about 15 agents who the florida administration _ about 15 agents who the florida administration says— about 15 agents who the florida administration says will- about 15 agents who the florida administration says will be - about 15 agents who the florida i administration says will be trained to investigate _ administration says will be trained to investigate election _ administration says will be trained to investigate election fraud. - administration says will be trained to investigate election fraud. now| to investigate election fraud. now what sort — to investigate election fraud. now what sort of— to investigate election fraud. now what sort of things _ to investigate election fraud. now what sort of things they'll- to investigate election fraud. now what sort of things they'll look- what sort of things they'll look into, _ what sort of things they'll look into, that's _ what sort of things they'll look into, that's an _ what sort of things they'll look into, that's an open _ what sort of things they'll look into, that's an open question i into, that's an open question because _ into, that's an open question because florida _ into, that's an open question because florida actually - into, that's an open question because florida actually had i into, that's an open questionl because florida actually had a into, that's an open question - because florida actually had a very well-run _ because florida actually had a very well—run election. _ because florida actually had a very well—run election. they've - because florida actually had a very well—run election. they've had - because florida actually had a very| well—run election. they've had very few, well—run election. they've had very few. mavbe — well—run election. they've had very few, maybe hundreds— well—run election. they've had very few, maybe hundreds of— well—run election. they've had very| few, maybe hundreds of allegations of election— few, maybe hundreds of allegations of election fraud, _ few, maybe hundreds of allegations of election fraud, very— few, maybe hundreds of allegations of election fraud, very few - of election fraud, very few evidenced _ of election fraud, very few evidenced cases. - of election fraud, very few evidenced cases. but - of election fraud, very few evidenced cases. but youi of election fraud, very few - evidenced cases. but you have to remember— evidenced cases. but you have to rememberthat_ evidenced cases. but you have to remember that whenever- evidenced cases. but you have to remember that whenever a - evidenced cases. but you have to remember that whenever a new. remember that whenever a new government— remember that whenever a new government agency— remember that whenever a new government agency is _ remember that whenever a new government agency is created l remember that whenever a new. government agency is created and whenever— government agency is created and whenever a — government agency is created and whenever a new— government agency is created and whenever a new police _ government agency is created and whenever a new police force - government agency is created and whenever a new police force is - whenever a new police force is created. — whenever a new police force is created. they— whenever a new police force is created, they have _ whenever a new police force is created, they have a _ whenever a new police force is created, they have a tendency| whenever a new police force is i created, they have a tendency to whenever a new police force is - created, they have a tendency to try to justify— created, they have a tendency to try tqustifv their— created, they have a tendency to try to justify their money _ created, they have a tendency to try to justify their money and _ created, they have a tendency to try to justify their money and to - created, they have a tendency to try to justify their money and to find - to justify their money and to find instances — to justify their money and to find instances that— to justify their money and to find instances that support _ to justify their money and to find instances that support their- instances that support their continued _ instances that support their continued funding. - instances that support their continued funding. so- instances that support their continued funding. so by. instances that support their- continued funding. so by creating this police — continued funding. so by creating this police force, _ continued funding. so by creating this police force, i— continued funding. so by creating this police force, i think- continued funding. so by creating this police force, i think you'll- this police force, i think you'll see them _ this police force, i think you'll see them start _ this police force, i think you'll see them start looking - this police force, i think you'll see them start looking for- this police force, i think you'll. see them start looking for ways this police force, i think you'll- see them start looking for ways to find election— see them start looking for ways to find election fraud _ see them start looking for ways to find election fraud even _ see them start looking for ways to find election fraud even if- see them start looking for ways to find election fraud even if there i find election fraud even if there aren't— find election fraud even if there aren't any— find election fraud even if there aren't any allegations _ find election fraud even if there aren't any allegations out - find election fraud even if there aren't any allegations out there currentlv — aren't any allegations out there currentl . , . ., currently. they did have the hanging chads in florida, _ currently. they did have the hanging chads in florida, didn't— currently. they did have the hanging chads in florida, didn't they? - currently. they did have the hanging chads in florida, didn't they? that. chads in florida, didn't they? that always seems a grower in florida, but as anthony said, there's very little evidence of it so they might be somewhat underemployed? taste little evidence of it so they might be somewhat underemployed? we are beauinnin to be somewhat underemployed? we are beginning to see _ be somewhat underemployed? we are beginning to see this _ be somewhat underemployed? we are beginning to see this all _ be somewhat underemployed? we are beginning to see this all across - be somewhat underemployed? we are beginning to see this all across the - beginning to see this all across the country, first with changing the laws so you are restricting certain communities from voting or making it more difficult to vote, and now the next phase of that is to increase enforcement in certain areas. i think that's what you'll hear from democrats, the fear of when you start to bring in enforcement and add in things, is that actually disseminated equally or do you see a partisan difference and does this become a tool for the majority party? become a tool for the ma'ority .a 2 . become a tool for the ma'ority -a ? ~ . become a tool for the ma'ority .a ? . , ., , ., party? we believe that they are, anthon , party? we believe that they are, anthony, thanks _ party? we believe that they are, anthony, thanks for _ party? we believe that they are, anthony, thanks for bringing - party? we believe that they are, anthony, thanks for bringing us | party? we believe that they are, l anthony, thanks for bringing us up to speed with the election police force in florida. ronald reagan once said that "inflation is as violent as a mugger, as frightening as an armed robber, and as deadly as a hit man" — an image of chaos today's gop are only too happy to resurrect. inflation and the cost of living poses political peril notjust for the democrats ahead of this years midterms, but for every governing party in the west. today, here in london, borisjohnson summoned his entire cabinet, instructing them to come up with with any proposals that will ease the burden. the prime minister wants to turn the focus, he said, onto things that matter, away from partygate that's dominated for several weeks. expedient maybe, but maybe the cost of living is more deadly to the conservatives in the upcoming local elections. joining us from westminster is our political correspondent lone wells. i don't think they actually came up with anything particularly important today, add, or anything that was going to shift the dial on this. do you see it is more dangerous to the conservatives than partygate? first of all, i've never— conservatives than partygate? first of all, i've never heard _ conservatives than partygate? first of all, i've never heard that ronald reagan _ of all, i've never heard that ronald reagan quote, which is amazing, it should _ reagan quote, which is amazing, it should be _ reagan quote, which is amazing, it should be framed and put on people's walls _ should be framed and put on people's walls but— should be framed and put on people's walls but i_ should be framed and put on people's walls. but i think partygate is dangerous to boris johnson, walls. but i think partygate is dangerous to borisjohnson, i've actually— dangerous to borisjohnson, i've actually defended him on partygate, ithink— actually defended him on partygate, i think i'm _ actually defended him on partygate, i think i'm the only person who is prepared — i think i'm the only person who is prepared to — i think i'm the only person who is prepared to so i have the world at my door— prepared to so i have the world at my door for— prepared to so i have the world at my door for a day saying there's someone — my door for a day saying there's someone out there defending boris johnson _ someone out there defending boris johnson on partygate. it is a serious _ johnson on partygate. it is a serious issue for him and may bring him down _ serious issue for him and may bring him down with his party. but assuming _ him down with his party. but assuming he gets through that, clearly— assuming he gets through that, clearly the cost of living will have a major— clearly the cost of living will have a major impact. our economy is suffering, — a major impact. our economy is suffering, obviously ukraine and covid, _ suffering, obviously ukraine and covid, but — suffering, obviously ukraine and covid, but also because of brexit, energy— covid, but also because of brexit, energy prices are through the roof and people are really being hurt. and that'll start to have an impact on people — and that'll start to have an impact on people and people will want to see solutions. as you indicated, although— see solutions. as you indicated, although we have the summit today, the press _ although we have the summit today, the press has been pretty sceptical about— the press has been pretty sceptical about it _ the press has been pretty sceptical about it. they haven't said they will reveal— about it. they haven't said they will reveal policies here, it feels like it _ will reveal policies here, it feels like it was— will reveal policies here, it feels like it was for show, the budget was a wasted _ like it was for show, the budget was a wasted opportunity to attack this issue _ a wasted opportunity to attack this issue it's — a wasted opportunity to attack this issue. it's going to be big,... you'll— issue. it's going to be big,... you'll have _ issue. it's going to be big,... you'll have seen in our boxes that are political correspondent is with us. lone, have you been able to pick up us. lone, have you been able to pick up anything of note that they've decided and cabinet? i was reading earlier that a row blew up over what might be the best way forward? i might be the best way forward? i think the short answer is nothing was decided _ think the short answer is nothing was decided for— think the short answer is nothing was decided for sure _ think the short answer is nothing was decided for sure yet, - think the short answer is nothing was decided for sure yet, as - think the short answer is nothing was decided for sure yet, as you| was decided for sure yet, as you said earlier, _ was decided for sure yet, as you said earlier, essentially- was decided for sure yet, as youi said earlier, essentially ministers were _ said earlier, essentially ministers were made — said earlier, essentially ministers were made to _ said earlier, essentially ministers were made to pick— said earlier, essentially ministers were made to pick ideas - said earlier, essentially ministers were made to pick ideas but - said earlier, essentially ministers. were made to pick ideas but nobody has any— were made to pick ideas but nobody has any yet — were made to pick ideas but nobody has any yet. 0ne _ were made to pick ideas but nobody has any yet. one of _ were made to pick ideas but nobody has any yet. one of those _ were made to pick ideas but nobody has any yet. one of those was - has any yet. one of those was reducing childcare _ has any yet. one of those was reducing childcare costs- has any yet. one of those was reducing childcare costs and l has any yet. one of those was - reducing childcare costs and cutting health _ reducing childcare costs and cutting health and — reducing childcare costs and cutting health and safety— reducing childcare costs and cutting health and safety regulations, - health and safety regulations, increasing _ health and safety regulations, increasing the _ health and safety regulations, increasing the number- health and safety regulations, increasing the number of- health and safety regulations, . increasing the number of children the only— increasing the number of children the only adults _ increasing the number of children the only adults in _ increasing the number of children the only adults in a _ increasing the number of children the only adults in a child - increasing the number of children the only adults in a child care - the only adults in a child care setting — the only adults in a child care setting can _ the only adults in a child care setting can look _ the only adults in a child care setting can look after. - the only adults in a child care. setting can look after. another thing _ setting can look after. another thing that— setting can look after. another thing that was _ setting can look after. another thing that was touted - setting can look after. another thing that was touted by- setting can look after. another thing that was touted by the i thing that was touted by the transport _ thing that was touted by the transport secretary - thing that was touted by the transport secretary was - thing that was touted by the transport secretary was the | thing that was touted by the - transport secretary was the idea of allowing _ transport secretary was the idea of allowing people _ transport secretary was the idea of allowing people to _ transport secretary was the idea of allowing people to get _ transport secretary was the idea of allowing people to get an - transport secretary was the idea of allowing people to get an mot - allowing people to get an mot reviewed — allowing people to get an mot reviewed the _ allowing people to get an mot reviewed the maker— allowing people to get an mot reviewed the maker renewed i allowing people to get an mot - reviewed the maker renewed every two years rather— reviewed the maker renewed every two years rather than— reviewed the maker renewed every two years rather than one _ reviewed the maker renewed every two years rather than one year. _ reviewed the maker renewed every two years rather than one year. both - reviewed the maker renewed every two years rather than one year. both of - years rather than one year. both of those _ years rather than one year. both of those have — years rather than one year. both of those have proved _ years rather than one year. both of those have proved controversial- years rather than one year. both of. those have proved controversial with opposition— those have proved controversial with opposition parties. _ those have proved controversial with opposition parties, accusing - those have proved controversial with opposition parties, accusing the - opposition parties, accusing the government— opposition parties, accusing the government is— opposition parties, accusing the government is trying _ opposition parties, accusing the government is trying to - opposition parties, accusing the government is trying to slash i opposition parties, accusing the - government is trying to slash health and safety— government is trying to slash health and safety regulation _ government is trying to slash health and safety regulation to _ government is trying to slash health and safety regulation to ease - government is trying to slash health and safety regulation to ease the i and safety regulation to ease the cost of _ and safety regulation to ease the cost of living, _ and safety regulation to ease the cost of living, rather— and safety regulation to ease the cost of living, rather than - and safety regulation to ease the i cost of living, rather than stepping into directly— cost of living, rather than stepping into directly support _ cost of living, rather than stepping into directly support people - cost of living, rather than stepping into directly support people with l into directly support people with their energy— into directly support people with their energy bills— into directly support people with their energy bills or— into directly support people with their energy bills or other- into directly support people with their energy bills or other rising | their energy bills or other rising bills at— their energy bills or other rising bills at the _ their energy bills or other rising bills at the moment. _ their energy bills or other rising bills at the moment. but - their energy bills or other rising bills at the moment. but i- their energy bills or other rising bills at the moment. but i think their energy bills or other rising . bills at the moment. but i think in i at bills at the moment. but i think in i at -- _ bills at the moment. but i think in i at -- in — bills at the moment. but i think in i at -- in a — bills at the moment. but i think in iat -- ina way, _ bills at the moment. but i think in fat -- ina way, we— bills at the moment. but i think in i at —— in a way, we are— bills at the moment. but i think in i at —— in a way, we are seeing - bills at the moment. but i think in i at —— in a way, we are seeing an| i at —— in a way, we are seeing an ideological— i at —— in a way, we are seeing an ideological shift for— i at —— in a way, we are seeing an ideological shift for ministers - i at —— in a way, we are seeing an ideological shift for ministers at l ideological shift for ministers at the moment _ ideological shift for ministers at the moment. we've _ ideological shift for ministers at the moment. we've had - ideological shift for ministers at the moment. we've had two- ideological shift for ministers at. the moment. we've had two years ideological shift for ministers at - the moment. we've had two years of government— the moment. we've had two years of government ministers— the moment. we've had two years of government ministers stepping - the moment. we've had two years of government ministers stepping in . the moment. we've had two years of government ministers stepping in to| government ministers stepping in to help people — government ministers stepping in to help people with— government ministers stepping in to help people with bills, _ government ministers stepping in to help people with bills, whether- government ministers stepping in to help people with bills, whether it. help people with bills, whether it be through— help people with bills, whether it be through things _ help people with bills, whether it be through things like _ help people with bills, whether it be through things like business l be through things like business grants— be through things like business grants road _ be through things like business grants road the _ be through things like business grants road the business - be through things like business . grants road the business support scheme, — grants road the business support scheme, but _ grants road the business support scheme, but now— grants road the business support scheme, but now we _ grants road the business support scheme, but now we are - grants road the business support scheme, but now we are seeing i grants road the business support. scheme, but now we are seeing an approach _ scheme, but now we are seeing an approach that's _ scheme, but now we are seeing an approach that's different, - scheme, but now we are seeing an approach that's different, asking . approach that's different, asking ministers — approach that's different, asking ministers to— approach that's different, asking ministers to come _ approach that's different, asking ministers to come up _ approach that's different, asking ministers to come up with - approach that's different, asking - ministers to come up with proposals that don't— ministers to come up with proposals that don't require _ ministers to come up with proposals that don't require the _ ministers to come up with proposals that don't require the government. ministers to come up with proposals| that don't require the government to spend _ that don't require the government to spend any— that don't require the government to spend any more _ that don't require the government to spend any more money, _ that don't require the government to spend any more money, instead - spend any more money, instead saying. — spend any more money, instead saying. what— spend any more money, instead saying, what regulation- spend any more money, instead saying, what regulation can - spend any more money, instead saying, what regulation can we i spend any more money, instead - saying, what regulation can we scrap and how— saying, what regulation can we scrap and how can — saying, what regulation can we scrap and how can we _ saying, what regulation can we scrap and how can we essentially- saying, what regulation can we scrap and how can we essentially reduce . and how can we essentially reduce the impact — and how can we essentially reduce the impact of— and how can we essentially reduce the impact of the _ and how can we essentially reduce the impact of the state _ and how can we essentially reduce the impact of the state on - and how can we essentially reduce| the impact of the state on people's everyday— the impact of the state on people's everyday lives? _ the impact of the state on people's everyday lives? which _ the impact of the state on people's everyday lives? which is _ the impact of the state on people's everyday lives? which is an - everyday lives? which is an interesting _ everyday lives? which is an interesting ideological- everyday lives? which is an interesting ideological shiftj everyday lives? which is an - interesting ideological shift from the last— interesting ideological shift from the last two _ interesting ideological shift from the last two years, _ interesting ideological shift from the last two years, perhaps - the last two years, perhaps returning _ the last two years, perhaps returning to _ the last two years, perhaps returning to more - the last two years, perhapsi returning to more traditional the last two years, perhaps - returning to more traditional tory approaches — returning to more traditional tory approaches to _ returning to more traditional tory approaches to this. _ returning to more traditional tory approaches to this. it _ returning to more traditional tory approaches to this. it hasn't - returning to more traditional tory approaches to this. it hasn't gone down _ approaches to this. it hasn't gone down well— approaches to this. it hasn't gone down well with— approaches to this. it hasn't gone down well with opposition - approaches to this. it hasn't gone down well with opposition partiesj down well with opposition parties who are _ down well with opposition parties who are calling _ down well with opposition parties who are calling for— down well with opposition parties who are calling for more - down well with opposition parties who are calling for more direct i who are calling for more direct support— who are calling for more direct support right _ who are calling for more direct support right now— who are calling for more direct support right now to _ who are calling for more direct support right now to help- who are calling for more direct . support right now to help people with some — support right now to help people with some of— support right now to help people with some of those _ support right now to help peoplei with some of those cost—of—living pressures — with some of those cost-of-living pressures-— with some of those cost-of-living ressures. ., ., , . pressures. lone, thanks very much for that. pressures. lone, thanks very much for that- the _ pressures. lone, thanks very much for that. the issue _ pressures. lone, thanks very much for that. the issue is _ pressures. lone, thanks very much for that. the issue is if _ pressures. lone, thanks very much for that. the issue is if you - pressures. lone, thanks very much for that. the issue is if you can - for that. the issue is if you can tinker around with things that make a difference to people, like cutting the number of times you have to mot your car, child care is an important issue because it gets more women in work, the hm you customs put out a report today saying the money being put in by inheritance taxes all hit record highs this year, the treasury rating £718 billion in taxes in the last year, up almost a quarter. why are they not slashing taxes, why are we not getting some of that back? this is really interesting because rishi _ this is really interesting because rishi sunak is a thatcher conservative. people will obviously know _ conservative. people will obviously know about margaret thatcher's record. — know about margaret thatcher's record, she is traditionally a low tax, _ record, she is traditionally a low tax. low— record, she is traditionally a low tax, low spending conservative, but also a _ tax, low spending conservative, but also a fiscal— tax, low spending conservative, but also a fiscal conservative in a sense — also a fiscal conservative in a sense that she wants a balanced budget — sense that she wants a balanced budget. that's what rishi sunak was setting _ budget. that's what rishi sunak was setting out— budget. that's what rishi sunak was setting out to do in raising taxes in order— setting out to do in raising taxes in order to — setting out to do in raising taxes in order to produce a balanced budget — in order to produce a balanced budget. famously the thatcher government did raise taxes when it came _ government did raise taxes when it came in _ government did raise taxes when it came in. unfortunatelyi government did raise taxes when it came in. unfortunately i think you missed _ came in. unfortunately i think you missed a — came in. unfortunately i think you missed a massive opportunity to reduce _ missed a massive opportunity to reduce taxes because of the high cost of— reduce taxes because of the high cost of living and energy prices. i was talking to a senior tory donor today— was talking to a senior tory donor today saying the high spending, high tax government doesn't win elections. and the tory parliamentary party and tory supporters are very unhappy with the level of— supporters are very unhappy with the level of taxes in the uk at the moment. and it's a big problem for the government. you moment. and it's a big problem for the government.— moment. and it's a big problem for the government. you know what he'll do instead, amanda? _ the government. you know what he'll do instead, amanda? he'll— the government. you know what he'll do instead, amanda? he'll give - the government. you know what he'll do instead, amanda? he'll give us i the government. you know what he'll do instead, amanda? he'll give us an extra bank holiday. we only get inc. eight bank holidays in america, you got 11, though you don't get paid for holidays, so swings and roundabouts. in for holidays, so swings and roundabouts.— for holidays, so swings and roundabouts. , ., , ., roundabouts. in some states you do aet aid roundabouts. in some states you do get paid holidays. _ roundabouts. in some states you do get paid holidays. i _ roundabouts. in some states you do get paid holidays. ithink— roundabouts. in some states you do get paid holidays. i think people - get paid holidays. i think people need more time today, i think that community effort. but in all seriousness, a world of misinformation and disinformation, you know exactly what your gas prices are. you know exactly what the price of milk is. that's why this moment of inflation is harmful to every politician out there, because you can't hide that or fake that, it's every day in your pocket. and that's one of the things everyone will have to contend with as people go into elections this ear. ~ ., ., y as people go into elections this ear. ~ ., ., , ., , ., , year. we need more money to be able to send year. we need more money to be able to spend on — year. we need more money to be able to spend on our _ year. we need more money to be able to spend on our bank _ year. we need more money to be able to spend on our bank holidays, - year. we need more money to be able to spend on our bank holidays, i'm - to spend on our bank holidays, i'm not belittling the point of the cost—of—living crisis, but a bank holiday would be nice. lovely to see you both, thanks for watching, good night. hello. as we approach the end of april, it is looking as if many parts will be drier than average. not as dry as last april, but this april comes off the back of a drier—than—average march right the way across the uk. we only had about 60% of the march average rainfall. now, scotland have had their average rainfall for april, but elsewhere, below, and in some parts of southern england, only round about 30% of the rain has fallen. with high pressure ruling the roost for the remainder of april, we're unlikely to see much significant rain for england and wales. we mayjust catch some rain on this weather system as it comes in for saturday in the north and west. but another chilly start on wednesday morning. a touch of ground frost, some frost in the glens, a little bit of mist around, then some sunshine coming through. it looks like the west will see the best of the sunshine, but there could be a few more showers for western scotland for wednesday, perhaps more sunshine in the north and east, but it's still chilly here with the onshore breeze, just 95 and 105, the best of the sunshine and the higher temperatures further west. we may well have a bit more breeze in the south on wednesday as well, the english channel coast into the channel islands, and that will persist into thursday, just pushing a bit more cloud further westwards but, again, wednesday night into thursday is a cold one. a touch of frost around under those starry skies, but we're just starting to cut off on thursday that breeze coming down the north sea coast, so, actually, with a bit more cloud coming into the north of scotland, elsewhere we may see temperatures little bit higher than they've been this week, 13 in aberdeen potentially, 15—16 is on a par with recent days in the south when the sun — the strong sunshine — comes out. of course it is on a par, strength—wise, with mid—to—late august at this time of year. a similar day on friday. we've lost that northerly breeze temporarily, so with a bit of sunshine, i think feeling pleasant enough, but it will tend to cloud over later in the day in the north—west. this is our next area of low pressure coming in. so it starts off looking as if it'll give some significant rain for parts of northern ireland and western scotland, but then it rolls into our area of high pressure and the weather fronts will tend to then weaken, so not a great deal of rain. so some cloud around on saturday, and it will push its way further southwards and eastwards with the low pressure close by, but because we've cut off that north sea feed, temperatures still getting to 15—16 celsius, but with cloud and rain and perhaps a few showers ahead of it for western areas as well. but then the rain tends to fizzle out on those weather systems as we go through saturday night and into sunday. still a few showery bursts up across the north and the west, but some sunshine coming out further south, so again helping our temperatures on sunday to the mid—teens and more significant, mid—teens across parts of southern scotland and northern ireland. but the high pressure's still close by but we will, we think, into next week, with the jet stream towards the north—west and one diving its way south across the uk, just see a couple of areas of low pressure across more northern and western areas before that high pressure returns, and with the return of the high pressure, behind it, some cold northerly winds. so it will get colder, potentially, from midweek onwards, so, yes, it is possible that we'll see a little bit of rain across western areas at the weekend and from midweek on as well, just that chance of some rain across the northern half, north and western parts of the uk, but thereafter, temperatures are likely to dip back away again. so early may is looking quite cold, actually, that cold wind returning, the risk of frost, but prior to that, potentially a little bit of rain. but some uncertainty. we will, as ever, keep you posted. tonight at ten, america promises to move "heaven and earth" to make sure ukraine defeats russia. in a day of grand statements, president putin's claim that russia's invasion of ukraine was justified brought this response from the united nations. according to the un, in line with resolutions passed by the general assembly, russia's invasion of ukraine is a violation of its territorial integrity and against the charter of the united nations. during the day, a meeting of 40 nations heard the americans pledge they would 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