trial in his federal election interference case, and for the very first time revealing a key case against donald trump. for months now, questions house world about how much donald trump s state of mind matters in this case. did he actually believe that the election was stolen from him, and prosecutors need to show that the ex president knew he had lost the election? well washington post is now reporting this. the justice department weighed in on thedete for the first ti saying that what they need to prove it is not that trump liev the big lie of the election being stolen, but that he knowinglyspread associated lies in a criminal scheme stay in power. so from the special counsel s filing,quot just as the president of a company may be guilty of fraudfor using knowingly false statements of facts to defraud investors, even if he subjectively believes that his company will entuly succeed, the defendant may be guilty of ing deceit to obstruct the government function by which the re
the most defendant friendly standard in the world, proving actual malice and knowing falsity or reckless disregard for the truth. and a jury unanimously concluded that there was knowing falsity or reckless disregard for the truth here and that he was liable. and so, it just really doesn t happen with that much frequency that a defendant turns around and doubles down on an adjudicated lie 24 hours later. and part of what carroll s lawyers are arguing in this subsequent case is that additional damages are necessary in order to deter that. in order to stave off that the repeats of those kinds of lies. one of the things i think is interesting about the parallelism that you ve shown here is that there s a rule here called issue preclusion or collateral estoppel. it s essentially that things
address it. that s something for trump to respond to. so i ve been i ve been pretty busy. reporter: former vice president pence appearing dismissive of the case in an exclusive interslew with dasha burns. i don t think the american people are focused on it. do americans believe that the allegations are true? probably most of them do just like the jury did, some will excuse it. i don t believe it s excusable and defensible. reporter: chris christie said to be still mulling a white house bid going even further. his response yesterday to me was ridiculous that he didn t even know the woman. why do we keep making excuses and why do we listen to his own words. ? and laura joining me. we heard information about one of the jurors in the case. yes, lester, carroll s legal team tried to get someone kicked off that jury after learning he listened to a far right podcast. this all coming out tonight in unsealed court filings, but
federal court as the embattled republican was released on $500,000 bond declaring he will not resign, charged with wire fraud, money laundering, and more. 13 counts in all. santos calling it a witch-hunt, but democrats and republicans alike calling for him to step down tonight. e. jean carroll speaking out one day after a jury found donald trump liable for sexually abusing and defaming her awarding her $5 million. what carroll told our savannah guthrie about the verdict. the record number of migrants apprehended at the border even before the title 42 policy ends. we re on the ground in mexico. plus, nbc s new reporting on how the u.s. will handle thousands of people entering the country. she wrote a children s book about grief after her husband died. now, the mother of three is accused of poisoning him with fentanyl. the new details from a search warrant just in tonight. for the first time an fda panel endorses over-the-counter birth control pills. when they will be available