that apparently must wait for action until the conservatives have chosen their leader, the country s next prime minister. there was another meeting which ended without result too, new york s attorney general summoned donald trump to quiz him about his tax affairs. he pleaded the fifth then repeated the words same answer to every question she put to him. the former president, who would be president again, hadn t kept shtum when the fbi had raided his florida home. to discuss those events in the studio with me are eunice goes, a portuguese academic and writer who teaches comparative government. janet daley, born in the united states. a 60s progressive who by the 1980s was a conservative, now writing a weekly column in the sunday telegraph. and thomas kielinger, who has been a foreign correspondent for german media, including in washington dc during the carter and reagan presidencies. he has written biographies of churchill and of both queens elizabeth. lovely to have you all in the stud
you can make a really sort of impressive populist platform and we could end up with some really dire consequences. i mean, this could be, you know, the analogy with weimar germany. i mean, when there is a crisis and people can t eat or they can t heat their homes, they are going to perhaps do nasty things, led by people who are quite unscrupulous enough to exploit that situation. thomas, that fear always is at the back of minds in germany, isn t it because of 20th century history? yes. but in terms of how germany is approaching this at the moment, they are at least having a debate about rationing. they re having a debate about it and i doubt - whether this dire picture that janet is painting might- actually come to pass. because even alternative - parties on the right and those parties that you describe, they know fully well - that the crisis before is almost insoluble. i in fact, i am reminded -
now it is france, southern europe, portugal and spain have faced drought for many years. every summer there is a very agonising debate in the iberian peninsula about what we are going to do to tackle drought. there is the wildfires because this essentially half the country is on fire because of those drought conditions. now it is france and we are seeing now in northern europe. and this is climate change and we still have a lot of governments, including in this country, in denialism about what to do to face climate change. we had the contender to become the prime minister in the united kingdom complaining this week about solar panels at a time when there is energy shortages and that is essentially the things that you need to do to prevent these drought conditions. it is very, very serious. thomas, let s talk about realism in politics and the position of the greens in germany. well, it is something to do with what people think-
is that maybe globalisation has hit a wall. that the idea after the cold war that we were all friends now, we were all relatively democratic, free societies, not china, could somehow reach accommodation with each other and trade goods for everybody s interests, that is over. and we now realise with china s threat to taiwan and hong kong that it is not a great idea to be buying all our cheap manufactured goods from china and it is certainly not a great idea to be dependent on russia for energy. janet daley, eunice goes, thomas kielinger, thank you all very much. i mentioned that headline with borisjohnson in the paper from friday saying pm attends meeting. it reminds me of a headline from the 1930s, when ramsay macdonald had been prime ministerfor many years and was so fond of trying to achieve international peace that it is said that there was an english newspaper headline prime minister visits country. i hope you ll visit dateline again next weekend. from all of us, goodbye.
you can make a really sort of impressive populist platform and we could end up with some really dire consequences. i mean, this could be, you know, the analogy with weimar germany. i mean, when there is a crisis and people can t eat or they can t heat their homes, they are going to perhaps do nasty things, led by people who are quite unscrupulous enough to exploit that situation. thomas, that fear always is at the back of minds in germany, isn t it, because of 20th century history? yes. but in terms of how germany is approaching this at the moment, they are at least having a debate about rationing. they re having a debate about it and i doubt whether this dire . picture that janet is painting might actually come to pass. because even alternative parties on the right and those parties that you describe, - they know fully well that the crisis before us is almost insoluble. in fact, i am reminded - of what the queen is supposed to have said to borisjohnson