with this reporting, quote, the former president has called witnesses throughout the investigation according to those who spoke anonymously to reveal conversations. they ruled out a number of former officials as the recipient of this latest call highlighted by cheney saying it was not former white house counsel pat cipollone whose deputy patrick philbin, former media officials, matthews or former pascale. the allegations of witness tampering by trump and his associates, though, do add new dimension to the wider scandal that is to overturn the 2020 election results which, as vice chair liz cheney added, trump was, quote, substantially and personally involved in. politico reports on the dual track of the committee s public hearings with this analysis. on the one hand, the committee is focused on filling out the historical record of the attempt to overturn the election and its violent conclusion. on the other, its members are laying out an unmistakable map to a potential crimina
the institutions of our country strong enough to protect our democracy and to protect us from a president who decides to attack it, i was thinking about some of the things that bill barr told donald trump. when you get to this question that barbara raised of what s inside donald trump s mind, put it on a time line. donald trump is confronted on december 1 with bill barr essentially dropping a pile of dog poop in front of the president s face. he tells there is no evidence of fraud. he is summoned to the white house where he is screamed at like a lion breathing down the neck of an antelope like, how dare you say this. barr explains to him, i have an entire team of investigators and we looked at all of these and they re all b.s. and what does
think of these revelations from the committee? and he essentially said, well, i m going to wait until everything s finished and i ll have a comment when the report is out. he doesn t want to say anything. this wasn t like the second impeachment where all the republicans fell in line because this is a republican accountability project. republicans like mitch mcconnell can t just ignore what people like pat cipollone bill barr, cassidy hutchinson and others are saying. this time it truly is different. and it feels different, kim. i mean, i think there is this careful line to just have your eye on it, and i appreciate amanda s point so much. speaker pelosi does deserve the credit for trusting liz cheney and adam kinzinger with this vital mission. i want to read something that chris reed reported this morning. refuses our republicans to hold trump accountable has led to more chaos. instead of a bipartisan political conviction, the gop s punt set the stage for
it doesn t mean he cannot be charged. it just means his own statements can t be used against him and he s not testifying at the moment, it doesn t seem like they re giving up a whole lot anyway. i think that is the big question that the justice department is going to have to face sooner than later. can you say in your judgment or would you need information on whether he d make a better target or witness? i think the best way is you work your way up with people like cassidy hutchinson and others to prove his criminal exposure, charge him and then try to get him to flip and testify in a change for a reduction in sentence. that would be the ideal way to approach him. it is so interesting without trump there to hand out pardons like party favors you might actually get to the truth. katie benner, thank you for being here and for bringing us back to your reporting on monday. it is very important. barbara and rick, stick around. up next for us, one of the few people who had deep concern
the fake electors were invited and tweeted about it and taunted on twitter by trump. a meeting convened by trump. he s at the center of everything that happens. that s absolutely right, nicole. he is absolutely at the center of every action because as you and i have talked about for many months, he s almost like the wizard behind the green curtain pulling every one of those levers. increasingly more desperately as the week goes on from the election up until the certification of the vote on know. jan 6th because each lever he tries to pull doesn t result in the payoff that he s hoping for. you know, first it s let s just get georgia to tell people that the election was fraudulent and needs to be investigated. let s get my acting attorney general to just say that it was corrupt and i ll take it from there. let s get an executive order rolling so we ll seize voting