see the shot behind vaughn, the next time suzanne craig is down in that overflow room. it will be the next time we understand what if any anxieties, reservations, concerns these 12 jurors and six alternates have. and that will be the first day of perhaps the rest of the donald trump story. >> that's right. i mean, it's a historic moment that's going to occur on monday. the first trial of a former president, and while i always resist quarrelling with vaughn because he's so good and especially here where he's respect toing all these taylor swift -- dropping all these taylor swift references. i do have to say i think on the question of whether donald trump is going to testify, there's a world of difference between donald trump and a microphone out there in the public than donald trump and being in court. because this court you have regular rules of evidence, you can't just, you know, go and meander and -- with all the detours he takes. but most importantly, you're subject to cross-examination