with this reporting, quote, the former president has called witnesses throughout the investigation according to those who spoke anonymously to reveal conversations. they ruled out a number of former officials as the recipient of this latest call highlighted by cheney saying it was not former white house counsel pat cipollone whose deputy patrick philbin, former media officials, matthews or former pascale. the allegations of witness tampering by trump and his associates, though, do add new dimension to the wider scandal that is to overturn the 2020 election results which, as vice chair liz cheney added, trump was, quote, substantially and personally involved in. politico reports on the dual track of the committee s public hearings with this analysis. on the one hand, the committee is focused on filling out the historical record of the attempt to overturn the election and its violent conclusion. on the other, its members are laying out an unmistakable map to a potential crimina
thrush, just take us inside of what you reported about the state of or the lack of any criminal investigation or prosecution of donald trump. i think that the upshot of our story is really to show exactly how impactful he s hearings have been on the justice department. it was cassidy hutchinson s testimony that just jolted officials at the department and people working directly with the investigation. she provided information they have not uncovered in their own inquiry and sparked conversations about trump s own criminal culpability and criminal intent leading up to the january 6th riot that had not been happening before. until then prosecutors had only been careful about talking about which was the riot itself and slowly building outward. in the context of whether or not he was a motivating factor for any of the people acting in the
think of these revelations from the committee? and he essentially said, well, i m going to wait until everything s finished and i ll have a comment when the report is out. he doesn t want to say anything. this wasn t like the second impeachment where all the republicans fell in line because this is a republican accountability project. republicans like mitch mcconnell can t just ignore what people like pat cipollone bill barr, cassidy hutchinson and others are saying. this time it truly is different. and it feels different, kim. i mean, i think there is this careful line to just have your eye on it, and i appreciate amanda s point so much. speaker pelosi does deserve the credit for trusting liz cheney and adam kinzinger with this vital mission. i want to read something that chris reed reported this morning. refuses our republicans to hold trump accountable has led to more chaos. instead of a bipartisan political conviction, the gop s punt set the stage for
it doesn t mean he cannot be charged. it just means his own statements can t be used against him and he s not testifying at the moment, it doesn t seem like they re giving up a whole lot anyway. i think that is the big question that the justice department is going to have to face sooner than later. can you say in your judgment or would you need information on whether he d make a better target or witness? i think the best way is you work your way up with people like cassidy hutchinson and others to prove his criminal exposure, charge him and then try to get him to flip and testify in a change for a reduction in sentence. that would be the ideal way to approach him. it is so interesting without trump there to hand out pardons like party favors you might actually get to the truth. katie benner, thank you for being here and for bringing us back to your reporting on monday. it is very important. barbara and rick, stick around. up next for us, one of the few people who had deep concern
said, steven ayers provided that testimony in an incredibly compelling way and some of the other things covid restrictions and others, they re the heart of what threatens the homeland today. they could still get rid of him. they could watch these hearings and say i ve seen evidence that he knew of the violence, that he wanted to participate in the violence. cipollone tried to say he deserves a presidential medal of freedom. they choose every morning when they wake up to continue to elevate donald trump. you re exactly right, nicolle. the nation remains in peril because the political party that formerly was the party of lincoln and eisenhower and reagan, today has decided to elevate a man that uniquely challenges the very constitutional architecture of the united states, and i think that s where look, i think the information of cassidy hutchinson and cipollone and parscale and others is helpful, but all of these people knew who donald trump was from the beginning. we all knew it. we