about his own thoughts and maybe his own mistakes. one of the first places he looks is right in the mirror. but if he wants to speak about himself it s fine if he wants to make false or accurate accusations about his own behavior. now state things about joyce which may or may not be true and in some cases apparently are not true in his book is a certain type of blaming, somebody who has not yet had the opportunity to speak up. you ve read his book. yes. joyce, you have not read it. no. i haven t. joyce has not read it yet. joyce has been not well and reading that book, which just came out, hasn t been something she was ready for. the excerpts i have that seen in the newspaper are so astounding to me. he told everyone that i was crazy, that i had abused my body with medicines.
in our interview dammer s mother talked candidly about her pain and her anger. do you feel that you re being blamed? yes, i do! do you feel lionel is blaming you? that certainly does seem to be what happened when he first came out on television. and there are elements of lionel s new book which do seem to say things about the pregnancy, about reluctance to breast-feed after the pregnancy, about joyce s state during early motherhood which seem to indicate something was wrong with the mothering. now, this isn t the theme of the book, but it corresponds to the theme of so many questions from the media that have come along all along the way. i m not saying you re asking these now. at the same time, lionel asks a lot of questions about himself. about what kind of father he was.
that i somehow was to blame. there was no doubt about that. now he turns around and for whatever his reasons are, i don t know what he s trying to accomplish with talking about something he should have shared with me before he ever married me if he s got some thought that that had anything do with jeff. you mean his mental state that you weren t informed? dreaming of murder, obsession with explosives, he never talked about that? none of that. i think one of the points is it s all clear in retrospect. i mean, for instance, one of the anecdotes he tells in the book, joyce, is when jeff was four years old and he had crawled lionel underneath the house to remove some dead animals and he put some of the bones from the dead animals into a bucket and jeff at age four, probably
the search for the root causes went all the way back to his mother s pregnancy. both of dahmer s parents said it had not been an easy time. but during separate interviews with each of them, that was about all they agreed on. at times, her legs would lock tightly in place and her whole body would grow rigid and begin to tremble. during these strange seizures, her eyes would bulge like a frightened animal, and she would begin to salivate, literally frothing at the mouth. we d have to call the doctor, who in those days, they still made house calls, and he came immediately. and it always ended up that he gave her a shot of some type of relaxant. what kind of drugs was she on? there were a mixture of things. he would he would have to come and inject secanol or morphine if in some instances
something he should have shared with me before he ever married me, if he s got some thought that that had anything to do with jeff. you mean his mental state, that you weren t informed? dreaming of murder yes. exactly. obsession with explosives? he never talked to you about any of that? none of that. i think one of the points is it s all clear in retrospect. i mean, he for instance, one of the anecdotes that he tells in the book, joyce, is when jeff was 4 years old and he had crawled lionel had crawled underneath the house to remove some dead animals and he put the bones of dead animals into a bucket. and jeff, at age 4, probably innocently, went over and was playing with the bones and seemed fascinated that absolutely astounds me. excuse me for interrupting you,