inaccurate accusations about his own behavior. but to state things about joyce which may or may not be true, and in some cases apparently are not true, in his book is a certain type of blaming somebody who has not yet had the opportunity to speak up. you ve read his book? yes. joyce, you have not read it? no, i haven t. joyce has not read it yet. joyce has been not well and reading that book, which just came out, hasn t been something she is ready for. the excerpts that i have seen in the newspaper are so astounding to me. he told everyone that i was crazy, that i had abused my body with medicines, that i somehow was to blame. there s no doubt about that. now he turns around and, for whatever his reasons are, i
don t know what he s trying to accomplish with talking about something he should have shared with me before he ever married me, if he s got some thought that that had anything to do with jeff. you mean his mental state, that you weren t informed? dreaming of murder yes. exactly. obsession with explosives? he never talked to you about any of that? none of that. i think one of the points is it s all clear in retrospect. i mean, he for instance, one of the anecdotes that he tells in the book, joyce, is when jeff was 4 years old and he had crawled lionel had crawled underneath the house to remove some dead animals and he put the bones of dead animals into a bucket. and jeff, at age 4, probably innocently went over and was playing with the bones and seemed fascinated that absolutely astounds me. excuse me for interrupting you,
taking him hostage and doing what i wanted with him. about three years later i was 18 years old, driving home, i saw this hitchhiker about a mile from my house. i thought to myself should i stop, pick him up or should i just keep on going? and i wished i had kept on going but i didn t. turned around, picked him up, and that s when that s when it the night that it became a reality. it just seems so bizarre to me that that this obsession that i had been thinking about and wanting just all the parts are there and they make it possible to make it happen. what happened after you took him to the house? the house was empty. my mother was up in chippewa falls with her family. and my dad was living in a
fundamental to all of us. you feel that the absence, at least for a while of a strong religious faith and belief for some years. may have prevented you from instilling some of that in jeff? that s right. is that how you feel? yes, i think that it had a big part to do with it. i mean, if you don t if a person doesn t think that they re that there is a god to be accountable, to then then what s the point of trying to modify your behavior, to keep it within an acceptable ranges? that s how i thought anyway. and i ve since come to believe that the lord jesus christ is truly god, the father, the son and the holy spirit. they re the only true god. coming up, a mother s pain. it s almost like i don t have a right to mourn or grieve because there are all these families who will never speak to
about three years later i was 18 years old, driving home, i saw this hitchhiker about a mile from my house. i thought to myself should i stop, pick him up or should i just keep on going? and i wished i had kept on going but i didn t. turned around, picked him up, and that s when that s when it the night that it became a reality. it just seems so bizarre to me that that this obsession that i had been thinking about and wanting just all the parts are there and they make it possible to make it happen. what happened when you took him to the house? the house was empty. my mother was up in chippewa falls with her family. and my dad was living in a