leave now. we re dealing with one of the largest armies in the world. it s a very difficult situation and things can go crazy quickly. there s much more of that exclusive interview coming up. but with that, let us bring our lead off speakers. shannon pettypiece, sam stein, veteran journalist and white house editor for politico, and heather long, an economist columnist at the washington post. great to have you all here. sam, we re hearing reports of what was going on at the white house on january 6th regarding the phone calls. we re hearing about official records, possibly some that were top secret. taken to mar-a-lago and retrieve by the national archives long after trump left office. what s going on with this administration? the fairly broad question. look, i don t think donald trump was a stickler for compliance he was when it comes to
in louisville to breonna taylor and minneapolis police continue to ask for no-knock warrants, despite activists across the country saying, we need a national effort to ban these types of tactics. do you think outrage from this time around could lead to broader push for law enforcement to prohibit the use of such tactics or narrowly define this scope of when they can be used? ayman, i m torn on that answer. i don t think the outrage is enough. however, i do think that meaningful prosecution is enough. when a.g. ellison has done in cases recently is what prosecutors typically do, and they ask, what is the just outcome? i think when prosecutors do that, and not enough of them are, and it leads to consequences for police officers who engage in misconduct, that will be enough to start to turn the tide on the outcomes that we see. it s going to get a lot of pubback initially. we haven t seen it reach its peak yet, i don t think, but i think it leads to change over time. because here s the
they re making today. and i think it fundamentally boils down to this. our country, the republicans, the leadership in our country, no longer believes in the constitutional democracy that has been with us for 40 years. they now believe that a man justifies the means approach. if they win elections, legally, they are for them. if they lose elections, they are against them. so they re really fundamental and no longer believe in our system of government, which is why they re partnership with putin, i don t think should surprise us, because it has become a complete ends justifies means party. but it s such a huge contrast when we partner with russia to defeat autocracy. now, the republicans are partnering with russia in order to establish autocracy. you know, evan, on fox news, tucker carlson, he questions why the united states would back ukraine over russia. take a listen. wait a second. why is it disloyal to side with
and that s exactly what happened, and, you know, i think he s exactly right, diverting from trump s problems every time he starts to get investigated and he starts to get back on the news on the wrong things, sometimes her name magically appears, it s no coincidence, i don t think, certainly not lost on any of us who have had to deal with this. for a long time, those of us working for hillary clinton, those of us working in the democratic party, this is something we re very used to. doesn t make it right but we re certainly used to fox news doing this. classic broken record mentality. listen guys, i m going to have to keep this brief. this last question to you. the investigation takes place now in merrick garland s justice department. is there going to come a point when he says enough s enough. it has been three years, durham has been investigating the situation, the investigators, longer than the actual russia probe itself. does garland have to see this through? you know, i think
anti-russian. but to bring russia to a stop and bring them out of the cold. to the extent that threats or promised consequences for a russian invasion are consequential or determinative to what putin will do, how important is this meeting and what we hear from the president and the chancellor? i think all of the meetings are critical important because in my view i think what is going on is putin himself is still sort of, has his finger to the wind. he hasn t, i don t think, made up his mind entirely as to what he s going to do. is he going to do a full on invasion which has some very significant down side or try to figure out a face-saving off-ramps for this. and every time he meets with a foreign president or head of state, whether it is macron or when he s watching the meetings between the german government and the american government, like we saw today. he s looking for signs. he s trying to see, okay, are there divisions among nato that are significant enough that he