leave now. we're dealing with one of the largest armies in the world. it's a very difficult situation and things can go crazy quickly. >> there's much more of that exclusive interview coming up. but with that, let us bring our lead off speakers. shannon pettypiece, sam stein, veteran journalist and white house editor for politico, and heather long, an economist columnist at the washington post. great to have you all here. sam, we're hearing reports of what was going on at the white house on january 6th regarding the phone calls. we're hearing about official records, possibly some that were top secret. taken to mar-a-lago and retrieve by the national archives long after trump left office. what's going on with this administration? >> the fairly broad question. look, i don't think donald trump was a stickler for compliance -- >> he was when it comes to