kyiv that you had with president trump. he overheard that even though the call was not on speaker phone, correct? i don t believe so. was it open erica fay? it was outdoors. one of the points my democrat democratic colleagues keep making is that president trump said that he doesn t give a blank about ukraine. you heard that earlier? that that was not on the phone call. i don t think he testified that was on the phone call. i think he was testifying that i summarized the phone call. and i don t recall saying that. and you have no recollection of that? i don t. yeah. even if it was true, there s nothing wrong with that to have an opinion about he can have whatever opinion he wants about ukraine. it s all part of the narrative that president trump is a bad guy, that he doesn t care about the ukrainians. but it seems to me, ambassador
testimony? i ve been hampered to provide completely accurate testimony without the benefit of those documents. in terms of your conversations with the president of the united states, what percentage of your conversations were about ukraine as compared to your other duties? i don t recall. well, you ve only had six conversations or seven conversations with the president, you said. so about ukraine, i think. so you ve had many other conversations yeah, about unrelated matters. how many conversations with the president of the united states have you had? again, i don t want to give you a number because it s going to be wrong if i don t have the records. is it less than 20? it s probably in that range. all right. would you say that delay in military aid and the lack of a meeting in the white house works to the benefit of russia? repeat the question again, please. would you say that the delay in military aid to ukraine and
concerns to go to president trump apparently ambassador taylor had access to secretary pompeo. he did not have access to president trump so i made the phone call. i said what do you want? president trump responded with what i put in the text. and then i strongly encouraged ambassador taylor to take it up with the secretary and he responded i agree. when i said that. as far as the other part of your question relating to whether or not the prosecutor could make the statement or zelenskiy could make the statement, i don t recall who told me whether it was volker, whether it was giuliani or whether it was president trump it s got to be zelenskiy. it can t be the prosecutor. but that s what i relayed. whoever i got that information from i relayed that to i believe mr. ambassador taylor and to mr. morrison. but as of september 9th you understood did you not that president trump either himself or through his agents required
about? i don t recall. would that be normal? in all of your interactions with ambassadors and heads of states and governments, if there s some element of the u.s. government that they have spoken to, isn t it usually a step that they come in, talk to the ambassador, try to clarify what that statement was? is that a true characterization of how elements of diplomacy work? i think that s a responsible possibility. things work all kinds of different ways these days. when you met with president zelensky after the july 25th phone call, july 26th, did the investigations or joe biden come up in that meeting? i don t recall joe biden coming up. was there any frustration expressed to you by the phone call that happened the day before? no. everyone said it was a good call. is your interactions with president zelensky, is he a straight shooter, or is he a liar? he impressed me greatly and that s why i wanted to get he and president trump together as
just spoke or 20 minutes later, rather, i can brief you if you and gordon don t connect. speaking to ambassador volker. then ambassador taylor an hour later says the nightmare is they give the interview and don t get the security assistance. the russians love it and i quit. you would agree that in this text message, after you had spoken earlier an hour earlier with ambassador taylor that he is linking the security assistance to this interview,public announcement by zelenskiy. that s correct. and ambassador taylor said you had a conversation at that point and he did and that you told him that just as your text message indicates you did have a conversation with president trump prior to that text message. does that help to refresh your recollection that you in fact spoke to president trump at that time? again, i don t recall president trump ever talking to me about any security