kyiv that you had with president trump. he overheard that even though the call was not on speaker phone, correct? >> i don't believe so. >> was it open erica fay? >> it was outdoors. >> one of the points my democrat democratic colleagues keep making is that president trump said that he doesn't give a blank about ukraine. you heard that earlier? >> that -- that was not on the phone call. i don't think he testified that was on the phone call. i think he was testifying that i summarized the phone call. and i don't recall saying that. >> and you have no recollection of that? >> i don't. >> yeah. even if it was true, there's nothing wrong with that to have an opinion about -- >> he can have whatever opinion he wants about ukraine. >> it's all part of the narrative that president trump is a bad guy, that he doesn't care about the ukrainians. but it seems to me, ambassador