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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:08:00

no surprise, it was the macho fighter pilots. the man in the uniform. definitely. the jumper suit. very hot. cathy and i would always joke that do you think that you would marry a pilot? that would be so cool, like top gun. and of course she ended up marrying one. first in her early 20s she struck up a relationship with a pilot who in the end couldn t seem to commit. and so just like rachel, years later in napa, california, cathy was a young woman on the rebound when she met fighter pilot todd. where the first one didn t work out or perhaps maybe it didn t work the because you wanted to, maybe she felt like this is what she needed to do and todd came into the picture. i think having that pilot probably maybe is what caused her to marry todd. and at that time todd was

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:42:00

so he s in a psychiatric facility. she had said to me that he escaped and was in the wooded area in hawaii and for a week or two. and when he finally came out of the woods he said that he was a samurai warrior. reporter: back then, after months of psychiatric evaluation, todd was diagnosed with dissociative disorder, a neurosis that warped his view of reality. not exactly what the air force wanted in a fighter pilot. and because of events and the determinations by the air force psychiatrists, he was retired medically with a 50% disability. reporter: and there was that incident in amsterdam. remember? rachel told james about it. it happened just before he was due to make an important presentation at a conference. that time he appeared to black

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:40:00

he worked hard and long hours to support rachel. he wanted to make her happy, and he was a good dad. and for that she cheated on him, threatened him and then attacked with those scissors. of course, by that point, todd told the police, she was a very unstable woman. started drinking, started binge drinking. i was afraid for the children. she was just spinning into this mental cycle of self-destruction. reporter: and then todd s defense revealed this little gem. she s signed up for california sweetheart, which is an adult connection kind of you can judge for yourselves what it is. reporter: married to a man she d grown to hate, in an affair with a man she was maybe thinking of cheating on, said the defense. she was conflicted, said todd s attorney. she was telling people she was afraid of todd. and yet she sure didn t act like it here, todd and rachel look happy. compare it with this photograph taken in las vegas

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:24:00

people think. james and caitlin had a house together in the sierra mountains, coincidently just a few miles from rachel and todd s air park. james started a handyman business and again, pure coincidence got some jobs at the air park. he also started a website called not so much about guns as about the craft of creating custom ammunition. we have automatic pistols, and this is the cartridge, that s what his life in the spring of 2010, a little business, his second marriage wasn t going terribly well. oh, and he had a secret mat crush on the beautiful young woman who manage the air park, rachel when clear. she called me to her office, this is in june, beginning of june of 2010, she said have a seat, i said okay, i thought i

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:07:00

soul mate, he was nothing but loving and kind to her. hard to watch said rachel s closest friend shannon. she called me when she broke up with him and said, you know, we re done, i want to have a family and he s not ready to have a family. and so, you know, we re done. literally like two months later she called me and said, you know, you need to be here in two days, i said great, you guys made up, she said no, we didn t make up, it s this other guy, his name is todd, i need you to be here in two days. tim didn t go to the wedding, couldn t handle it, went to a bar to escape it. no idea the wedding party would swoop into his bar for around of toast. it was hard, man. your girl on this big guy with this hot pink dress, and he is the guy that has everything going on, and she s a pro girl, they look like a great couple. i can t imagine with i would

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