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Transcripts For MSNBC Dateline 20240706

my parents always told me that monsters don t exist. i can tell you with absolute certainty, that is 110% false. he is a monster. a wife and mother killed in her own home. we get a phone call from a screaming irrational call at the other and. i said is it rachel? she said what do you mean, someone came in the middle of the night and murdered her? who murdered her? police discovered, rachael had a complicated love life. she said i felt hopelessly in love with you. were you married with someone else? i wanted to get out of the marriage as soon as possible. was there a bigger secret? varied in this box? for realizing there was a former wife. we re coming around this turn. a whole side of the mountain is on fire. marriage, money and murder, some say more than one. when people say i know how you feel, you have no idea how i feel. i don t want you to know how i feel because no one should ever feel this way. the night was profoundly dark, the lowest

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:15:00

complaining then maybe boasting, tim after all could barely qualify for credit at all. eventually being on the outside looking in, it was just too hard. i said i can t take it no more. it s getting harder and harder. he asked her to stop calling him, he had to move on, start painting again, forget her. though, as he admitted to us, he wasn t very successful. i got, you know, for maybe later down the road i thought, we could get together again and share life again. wishful thinking, of course. tim simply fail to understand that rachel s life with hospital todd was getting more exciting by the day. when talks company sent him to live in briefly in australia he invited rachel s dad to visit. and he paid his way. every night after work, boom, we went to cirque du soleil, the comedy club, the dinners, it was a six-week party down there. it was back home where their social life blossomed.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:10:00

to making money. and he figured it out. got into the booming wi-fi business. and pretty soon cathy and todd moved into a big lakeside house in georgia with a boat and fancy cars and of course an airplane. cathy always so nurturing told her friends that she was ready to take the next step. i remember cathy calling me and telling me that they were living in georgia and she was excited about it and that she wanted to have children, so i was excited for her because i could see her with little kids. but nine years into what looked like a happy marriage, children had yet to arrive. and now we know because of what was in that blue box, they never would. time to find out what happened. who knew that the discovery in that box would bring investigators all the way across the country to the blue ridge mountains of north georgia, to a campsite high on a hill.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:15:00

live in briefly in australia he invited rachel s dad to visit. and he paid his way. every night after work, boom, we went to cirque du soleil, the comedy club, the dinners, it was a six-week party down there. it was back home where their social life blossomed. all kinds of things from oktoberfest, the neighbors get together, christmas parties, easter, valentine s day parties. i scream i scream socials, yes! these were the neighbors. todd had one airplane, and one in the driveway. they love having an ex fighter pilot for a neighbor. todd was always, i mean, he was just a genuinely interested guy. he would make eye contact with you, he always wanted to know about my job, what cases are you working on, what law do you practice? i had actually kind of looked at todd as a guy s guy.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:50:00

continue. they went on a camping trip and she died in a fiery crash, the only witness to the crime was in fact this defendant. were there parallels? you bet there were. the deaths of cathy and rachel were both cold-blooded, calculated killings. he s had, now, two wives where he has been the one who has been the only witness to a crime. reporter: but, she said, based on what investigators found, the events at 3:00 in the morning in the california airpark were not so hard to determine. and she prepared the jury. what happened that night was horrific. one, todd opened rachel s laptop and found the divorce documents she d been working on with her boyfriend, james. that laptop has disappeared from its usual place in winkler home. two, he grabbed the scissors from a craft box, which was kept on a shelf right above the computer.

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