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Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20190918 04:21:00

away thinking that it just shows politics at its worst? both sides trying to score political points, talking past each other. is that the way it should go? what do you say to people who saw that and just think, this is just sort of a mess? well, we haven t been through an impeachment process now for maybe almost maybe two decades. i was here for the impeachment of president clinton, which we know was brought by the republicans. and if people remember, they were operating under the independent counsel, and i would say that they came with their minds already made up. it s not a pretty process, but it is a necessary process. and i think in the questioning of members on the democratic side, as we proceeded and mr. lewandowsky understood he was under oath and he had to ask questions, there was some very

Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20190918 04:12:00

appreciated that. and i don t think donald trump it bothered him that lewandowsky admitted to lying because he lied to msnbc, and that s like the belly of the beast for these people. right. so i mean i just i think, you know, the moral quality of the audience is appropriate. i would just say his audience was not donald trump. his audience was trump supporters in new hampshire. fair enough. i would beg to differ with you there. although he still wants to please daddy. there s no doubt he s still, you know i don t think he has any problem with that. i think he s trying to secure the trump voters in new hampshire to get that primary away. thank you. appreciate it. coming up next, if, as we ve been discussing, the goal was public persuasion, what do democrats actually think they accomplished today? how are they going to say that they accomplished something? you ll hear from one committee member who had her own confrontation with cor rye lewandowsky? and later, we ll

Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20190918 04:23:00

president, go do this. go interfere with the mueller investigation. i am the person who was asked to do it. there he was in living color. now, he would not answer based on the letter that was given to him by the white house, which clearly was not one that was relevant to his testimony. but he kept using it because he was not giving counsel to the president on any decisions that he s not on the white house staff at all. not at all, and he never got into the white house, anderson, as you well know. so he couldn t be covered by that privilege. but he used it. that s obstruction. but also he was the actual point person that the president used to sidestep the very persons on his staff, on the payroll, that he could have asked directly if it was, in fact, legal and the appropriate thing to do. congresswoman jackson lee, i appreciate it. thank you. thank you for having me. up next, reaction to lewandowsky s contentious hearing from someone who did work in the trump white house, no

Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20190918 04:22:00

vital line of questionings that went forward. and i think the record will show that unfortunately we evidenced an effort by this administration, particularly the president, to do something that should not have been done, which is to try to get the attorney general to un-recuse himself. but we knew, according to the mueller report, lewandowsky had done this. lewandowsky talked to mueller. dearborn talked to mueller. so you didn t learn anything actually new today, did you? well, what we did have that is important is a viable witness that gave substance to the mueller report. this is a form of educating the american public. remember the senate held hearings for about nine months until the smoking gun of the tapes showed up. and so this is to educate the american public, to show someone who was actually engaged in the actual receiving of a message and interaction with the

Transcripts for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20190918 04:05:00

talk about what was in the mueller report. but as that hank johnson exchange showed, the congressman from georgia, the hearing hearing lewandowsky talk about how the president instructed him word for word, writing down the instruction to go tell jeff sessions to ease off the mueller investigati investigation, it was dramatic business, but it was not anything substantially new. and kirsten, if the idea of this was to sort of open the eyes of the american public about what s actually in the mueller report, i understand maybe some people took that who were watching it so closely, got that from those exchanges that we just cut together. but if you just tuned into this thing, it was a bunch of people yelling back and forth and being passive-aggressive to each other and i mean, it didn t yeah. it wasn t something that was, you know, informing the american public every second. yeah, it wasn t something

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